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Jesus depicted healing a sick child.
June 28th, 2012
08:45 AM ET

Would Jesus support health care reform?

Editor’s note: This piece ran earlier this year, but we’re spotlighting it now because of Thursday’s health care decision from the Supreme Court. The story generated more than 3,000 comments, including these two:

David Nelson
It is sad that Jesus has been demoted to being a politician. Jesus plainly said "My Kingdom is not of this world." Movements to use Him to promote their agendas, whether they be on the Left or Right, are extremely suspect in the eyes of this Christian.

kateslate
Jesus would SO have been a democrat. He taught us to care for the sick...not to profit off illness. I don't know how Republicans can live with themselves and call themselves Christian.

What’s your take?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - He was a healer, a provider of universal health care, a man of compassion who treated those with preexisting medical conditions.

We don’t know what Jesus thought about the individual mandate or buying broccoli. But we do know how the New Testament describes him. The Gospels are filled with stories of Jesus physically healing the most vulnerable and despised people in his society.

References to Jesus, of course, didn’t make into the recent U.S. Supreme Court’s hearings on the constitutionality of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Yet there is a moral dimension to this epic legal debate:

How should the nation help its “least of these,” an estimated 50 million Americans who can’t afford health insurance, as well as those who could go broke or die because they can’t afford medical care?

Christians are as divided about this question as others. Many cite Jesus, but come up with completely different conclusions.

Trust God or government?

Tom Prichard, a Lutheran and president of the Minnesota Family Council, said it’s ultimately about faith.  Who do we trust – God or government?

He opposes “Obamacare” because he has more faith in the market and people, than government.

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“Here Jesus’ words come to mind about not worrying and trusting God to meet our basic needs,” Prichard wrote in an online post warning about the dangers of “government run health care.” “Or if we believe it all depends on us, we’ll look to government.”

When reached at his Minnesota office,Prichard elaborated: He said the nation should empower families and individuals to make health-care decisions. If families can’t afford health insurance, private and public entities like churches and nonprofits should step in, he said.

“We all have the same goal,”Prichard said. “We want all people to have health care, even people who can’t afford it. I would argue that having the government be the primary vehicle for providing it is not going to get us to that goal. It’s going to make the situation worse.”

Carl Raschke, a religious studies professor at the University of Denver, evoked Jesus’ words about Rome and taxation.

Raschke cited the New Testament passage when Jesus, after being asked if Jews should pay taxes to Rome, said that people should "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

Jesus was against strictly political or economic solutions because he thought they were too easy when it comes to the real challenges of human life, Raschke said.

“Writing checks won’t solve social problems,” Raschke said. “One has to get involved. If we see someone in need, we just don’t throw a dollar at him or her. You get to know them, you offer yourself, and ask what you can do for them.”

Helping the Good Samaritans of our day

There are some Christians, though, who say that charity isn’t enough to solve the nation’s health care problems.

An estimated 32 million Americans could lose health insurance if “Obamacare” is struck down, including children who can stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 26 and seniors who get help paying for their drug prescriptions. Most observers say health care costs would continue to rise.

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Some people believe the health care situation in America would be scandalous to Jesus because he was a prophet concerned about social justice.

Steven Kraftchick, a religious scholar, said Jesus comes out of the tradition of Jewish prophets who preached that the health of a society could be measured by how well they took care of “its widows and orphans,” those who had the least power.

Kraftchick said there’s a famous story in the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus heals such a person. He was the man who called himself Legion. He might have been called homeless and mentally ill. The man roamed a graveyard, so tormented that even chains could not hold him and everyone feared him, Mark wrote.

Jesus healed the man not only physically, but socially as well, according to Mark. The man returned to his community with a sense of dignity, said Kraftchick, a professor at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology in Atlanta.

“A move toward universal health care would be fitting with the prophetic traditions,” Kraftchick said. “When you read the New Testament and look at the signs of the in-breaking of the Kingdom of God, it’s always connected to being physically healed.”

Yet Marcia Pally, an authority on evangelicals, said many evangelicals are wary of government doing the healing.  Their reasons go back centuries.

Many are the descendants of people who fled Europe because of religious persecution from countries and state churches. They fought a revolution against a government in England.  And they settled a frontier, where the virtue of self-reliance was critical, said Pally, author of “The New Evangelicals: Expanding the Vision of the Common Good.”

Suspicion of government is part of their historical and religious experience, said Pally, a professor at Fordham University and New York University.

Those attitudes, though, may be changing. Pally said she spent six years traveling across America to interview evangelicals. She discovered that a new generation of evangelists now believes that certain issues are too big and complex to be addressed by charity alone.

“Some note that charity is very good at the moment of emergency relief but it doesn’t change the underlying problem  unless structures that keep people poor, sick or deny their access to health insurance are changed,” she said.

No matter what the Supreme Court decides, the legal debate will continue. If more Americans go broke or die because they do not have health insurance, more Americans may ask, what would Jesus do?

But don’t expect any easy answers from the Bible, said Raschke, the religious studies professor at the University of Denver.

“People are always looking for support from the Bible for American political positions,” Rashke said. “Would Jesus be against abortion, or would he support a woman’s right to choose? It’s almost become a standard joke in the theological world that you quote Jesus in American politics to support your political views.

“The teachings of Jesus do not fit into the views of any political party."

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Christianity • Health care • Jesus • Politics

soundoff (5,234 Responses)
  1. Bill Deacon

    Gospel Mt 8:18-22
    When Jesus saw a crowd around him,
    he gave orders to cross to the other shore.
    A scribe approached and said to him,
    "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go."
    Jesus answered him, "Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests,
    but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head."
    Another of his disciples said to him,
    "Lord, let me go first and bury my father."
    But Jesus answered him, "Follow me,
    and let the dead bury their dead."

    July 2, 2012 at 9:11 am |
  2. 1word

    Jesus would SUPPORT OBAMA CARE! Jesus is Love, Obama is Love!

    July 2, 2012 at 7:58 am |
    • rwb49

      No humanbeing on earth knows whether or not Jesus would like ObamaCare....If I'm not mistaken, Jesus also said, he would help those that would help themselves>> first....My belief is, all of us humans on earth, need to strive to help ourselves first, before burdening any other humanbeing on earth.....If each humanbeing is willing to work hard to strive, but hasn't had the opportunity from all of their hard work to strive, than Jesus has given us the private interprises as churches & etc., to help us in our time of need....Jesus is compassionate to his children, but I also believe in his teachings that he wanted to give each one of us the equal opportunity first to achieve on our own; I believe he wanted to teach us all to have personal responsiblity first, before we would ever have to burden anyone else....If we have worked hard & failed, he created a "backup" system, as in our churches & all other private interprises that will pick up the slack, until we the people can once again "try again" for our own personal achievements.....My opinion, Jesus never intended to allow his children all the "freebies" in life c/o others...I believe he gave all his children the same opportunities to survive life on our own, without burdening his other children.

      July 2, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      @rwb49, You are mistaken. Jesus never said that.

      "God helps those who help themselves" was earliest used in ancient Greece in a fable called, "Hercules and the Waggoner," and later used by other Greek tragedies until it's modern use by Algernon Sidney and Benjamin Franklin. It appears nowhere in the bible.

      You might also not, that "God" in this case was Zeus... So... before you decide to quote jesus and speak for him, you might want to do a little research. Thanks for playing.

      July 2, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
  3. CHUCK

    mr.pritchard wants to leave the helping of the needy to the people...well where have these people been....the needy need help now...Obama care was Romneycare in Massachusetts but Romney weasels on everything even stuff he diwell...what a phony....he outsourced American jobs by the thousands and if given the chance will do it by millions...how many of you really know how the church of latter day saints started with Joseph Smith in 1823. Sounds like a wild fairy tale....please read it's history. Most mormons are decent people but the faith they believe in might be very bogus.

    July 2, 2012 at 4:22 am |
  4. No Way Yahweh

    Might as well ask if the easter bunny would support Obamacare. Or lets ask the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

    July 2, 2012 at 4:21 am |
    • xzanthius

      Easter Bunny is pro universal health care (big family) the Unicorn being a self-made entrepreneur would prefer to keep the status quo. Plus, with universal health care demand for her magical healing unicorn horn would probably go down.

      July 2, 2012 at 7:28 am |
  5. pfc4jc@hotmail.com

    dont know. ask him when you go meet him to be judged...

    July 2, 2012 at 1:33 am |
  6. justinstl

    Jesus would not support capitalism AT ALL! If it were his way there would be no need for health insurance because healthcare wold not costar all.

    July 2, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • Thomas Hooley

      I totally agree. Moreover, prior to the AHCA, the United States was the only industrialized country to have neither socialized medicine of some form nor a public option. The Public Option was backed by Repiblicans, including religious conservatives, from 1989 when it made its political debut via an article from the Heritage Foundation, until 2009 when Newt Gingrich publicly spoke out in support of the concept, which is fundamentally capitalistic and free market in mature because all it does is force people to buy PRIVATE, not government, PRIVATE health insurance from for profit corporations or pay a "tax". Now, suddenly, when Democrats successfully passed a bill which would do this, it is seen by conservatives as bad and un-Christian, while for the two decades prior to this Bill, their leaders supported the very same concept (individual mandate) they now vehemently reject.

      What did Jesus say about hipocrits?

      July 2, 2012 at 8:14 am |
  7. shep

    if Jesus was here, he would point at Mitt Romney and scream, "This is the false prophet I warned you about!" I would love to see Mitt Romney try to explain Joseph Smith to Jesus. Also the Mormon harems.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • Sim34

      I think he'd be pointing to the prosperity gospel pastors, the televangelists, the Left Behind authors, and a whole bunch of others as well.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  8. Chipster

    Faith is a choice. If it is forced on anyone, it is not faith. That would be obedient and fearful behavior, not faith. Jesus never spoke of asking the government to force religious beliefs on anyone. He said we should love one another, feed the poor, heal the sick, shelter the homeless...and He said we should render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Since the beginning of time, people have tried to force their faith on others. Jesus did not.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
  9. booboot0805

    If jesus lived he would have sent FOX and its kknnavvish audience to hell a long time ago.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
  10. Karon

    Yes, well Jesus did say his kingdom was not of this world. He said one day it would be tho. He said he would come back and rule it for 1000 years. So it may not be his world right now but its going to be. The 1000 year reign of Christ is coming after this Great Tribulation is over. I look forward to that day. I look forward to the day when what he says rules the entire world.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Reality

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther once "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      July 1, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • Sim34

      It's come and gone already. The period when the Church held it's strongest power did, in fact, last about 1000 years. It was called the Dark Ages!
      (5th to 15th centuries CE)

      July 2, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • AaaaCccc

      Reality, thanks for posting that truth.
      I personally do believe all the Bible. But this movement to worship our Founding Fathers is misguided. The were students of the Age of Rationalism. The tossed out all what they called irrational parts of the Bible, like Jesus the son of God. The Bible they used to refer to was very slim.

      The desire to make us a modern Israel where we make politics religious is similarly meant to fail. It means people are trusting in government being righteous to save us as a nation instead of making personal decisions.
      Taking care of the poor and taking care of health needs for all fairly is what God commands. But putting Jesus into politics, He clearly said that was not His affair, it's ours.
      Did we need reform? Is the mandate good? No. Are there solutions? Yes, but we will not achieve them until people come out of their corners and locked in fears and talking points.

      July 2, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  11. liz48

    No, Jesus would not support any system that keeps people in captivity and forces them to pay for others who do not trust G-d to lead them and guide them and provide for them. See Matthew 6.

    He told the rich young ruler who asked Him what he should do to inherit eternal life, and Jesus told him personally to sell what he had and give to the poor. That was what the Lord told that particular person as He knew that would bring that man to the place he wanted to be spiritually. It is a spiritual and commonsense truth that you let go or sacrifice the thing that is keeping you in bondage to get into freedom.

    Jesus never forced anyone to obey G-d or love others. He told them the perfect will of G-d and the consequences. He never forced them, because He honored the fact that EVERY human being was made in the image of G-d and was bestowed with free will. They could will themselves to honor G-d and be with Him or to dishonor G-d and be with the devil. The choice was for every person to make.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • shep

      Wow. Great job trying to explain why Jesus would let people die rather than heal them. Enjoy your time in hell.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for new members of this blog:

      The Apostles' Creed 2012 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (References used are available upon request.)

      July 2, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • Narry

      If riches are such a bondage to people then why are so many Christians fighting the cost of health insurance, something people need more than plasma TVs and Xboxes, tooth and nail? What you're saying just makes no sense at all!

      July 2, 2012 at 12:51 am |
    • AaaaCccc

      Liz you are twisting Scripture. Mt 6 is about not being a hypocrite when you serve God. Getting praise in secret rather than from men. It has nothing to do with support or not for the new health care reform. One must act with conscience. But God is the first one to enact a social services safety net and force it on an entire nation. Read the OT in detail. It's all about caring for the poor, elderly, oppressed, orphan, alien and being joyful because it honors God. What God doesnt want is for example donating money grudgingly, announcing it to the world to honor you.

      July 2, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  12. An Egyptian

    Now you have the most ridicules article-a spam by CNN.
    How about, what would Jesus say about your own life? would he be telling you. . . . go and sin no more and you honour Him?

    July 1, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
  13. gargle

    jesus would be disgusted by our obsession with material objects and vanity. And disappointed by our hypocrisy.

    July 1, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
  14. Josephine Almanza

    "The teachings of Jesus do not fit into the views of any political party" I belive abortion is wrong, in many ways it kills the mother as well as the child. These days most of the time the mother dies a mental death, in the 50's the mothers just bled to death I will pay my taxes and let Jesus judge the world. I will also continue to be kind and pray for us Christians and none Chirtians that think they know what Jesus would do in every situation. I am very sorry for some of us that are ready to "hang" a president of this nation because he want's health care reform in American.

    It takes courage to take care of the poor who probably do not even vote. It is more profitable to take care of the people who are afraid the poor will take some of their money.

    July 1, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Mental death is what happens when you become a christian and stop using your brain for critical thinking and reasoning. We get that you don't like abortion. I don't think anybody likes abortion. We also don't like war, cancer, pollution, etc. These things are far more destructive than abortion is. Where is your outrage for this? If you have scientific evidence to support your theory about abortion killing mothers, then publish it in a science journal. Otherwise, the only people that care about your religious opinions are other religious people. While statistically your last statement has evidence to support it, your former statement doesn't. 1 in 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage. Where is your outrage toward god? If he exists, he's responsible for far more abortions than women ever were.

      July 1, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • liz48

      Choosing Jesus as your Lord means you decide to make Him the Master of your life. No one forces you to do it. If you are a true follower of Jesus, and Jesus dealt with those who will claim to be His followers but are not (see Matthew 7:15-23), you will live a life that honors Jesus as your Master. Your decisions will be in line with His Heart. He pleased G-d the Father and established completely the promises given to the Jewish people of the Mosciah – the Messiah who is the Son of G-d.

      He honored the G-d of the Torah (what is called the old testament, by many people) and the teachings of the Torah. He even told His disciples to listen to what they were taught in the Synagogue on the law of Moses (the Torah), but they were to avoid the example of the hypocrites who were the teachers!

      July 1, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Narry

      liz48
      Why would you want to become a slave?

      July 2, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Narry, Sadly I suspect some people are born masochists and sycophants

      July 2, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Better a slave to Jesus than to rule my own faulty kingdom

      July 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Bill Deacon, Yes, because thanks to jesus you have antibiotics, air conditioning, cars, internet, computers, low infant mortality, longer life expectancy, global communication and travel... oh wait, that's the faulty kingdom I rule... never mind.

      July 2, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Well if you rule then you are obliged to fix the health care problem for us. I can hardly wait to see how you do it! If you have a shred of intellectual honesty you will admit that man has done a poor job of managing his own affairs. If you do rule this Kingdom you've got some splainin to do. Thanks but I'll stick with my maker.

      July 2, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
  15. chaz8181

    While Jesus would not get in what government does, he would support the reduction of suffering as this is part of his basic philosophy . Those such as that Lutheran pastor are opposed to it because they believe that the reduction of suffering should come from "Christian kindness" and charity. But he and his church are the first to accept government subsidies and tax exemption status. If that is what they believe then they miss the point of the love that Jesus wanted to give to all which includes reducing suffering for the poor.

    July 1, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  16. Jack

    Good evening everyone. All are welcome to visit – thestarofkaduri.com

    July 1, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
  17. Bob

    Why is this even here???

    July 1, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  18. Rebecca

    Render unto ceasar the things that are Caesars and to God the things that are God's. This law will help many..over all it is the right thing to do...the government also requires car insurance...people should all have Health coverage...o believe as the above text...reads...as spoken by Christ....

    July 1, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Tom

      You are absolutely rightr in your assessment Rebessa. Bless You,,,,,,,

      July 1, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Arvoasitis

      Rebecca, you are using a false analogy. As to car insurance, if you drive you are required to have car insurance but no one is telling you that you must own a car and drive. Requiring people they must have private health care insurance is quite another matter. A better approach would be to have public coverage for everyone covered paid through the tax system.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • Sim34

      Arvoasitis
      Nobody is telling you to breed new humans who will need health care either. That's as clear a choice as owning a car, so the analogy is still valid.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • Arvoasitis

      It is true that if no new babies are born, soon enough there will be no one who needs health care. On the other hand, perhaps you are merely singing a familiar refrain. I recall a professor who wrote a brilliant history of science until he got to genetics and couldn't help commenting on the alarming fecundity of criminals, imbeciles and Roman Catholics. I showed the comment to a friend who was a high school teacher; her only objection was lumping Roman Catholics with criminals and imbeciles. So, perhaps the question is, you and who else should be permitted to breed?

      July 2, 2012 at 7:59 am |
  19. Loumac

    Jesus would NOT support a bill that provided for abortion ... Period!!! All you bed-wetting Liberals need to stop misquoting Jesus and the Bible when it suits your hidden agendas.

    July 1, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      How do you know what Jesus would or would not support?

      July 1, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • Typical idiot Christian, reading his own fantasy into the scripture.

      Jesus directly said a lot against divorce as adultery and much more about helping those in need; but, please post the verses where he directly apposes abortion

      July 1, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Typical idiot Christian, reading his own fantasy into the scripture.

      Jesus directly said a lot against divorce as adultery and much more about helping those in need; but, please post the verses where he directly apposes abortion.

      July 1, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • Edwin

      Loumac: my understanding is that in those days, abortion (via herbal remedies) was a common occurrence for many women. It was frowned upon publicly, but I doubt anyone really cared about it. After all, mortality rates for newborns were quite high, so nobody really paid attention to whether or not a pregnancy made it to term or not.

      Would Jesus have had an opinion on abortion? As a medical procedure, he would probably have opposed it. But as a practice, he probably would not have had an opinion.

      July 1, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Loumac, All of you conservative christians need to stop misquoting jesus and leave your families like he commanded. It would certainly help us bedwetting liberals keep the population down and keep the children safe from supersti.tious indoctrination since we won't have to put up with christian breeders anymore.

      July 1, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • Loumac

      If you care to take the time to read Psalm 139: 13-16, you will have little doubt that Jesus (of the Trinity) champions the unborn. To say that Jesus would not have cared about the unborn in his day proves that you've obviously never cracked a Bible open. The Jesus of the Bible knew you BEFORE you were formed in your mother's womb, he would most definitely not support any action that would end a life.

      July 1, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • jwt

      I have no doubt that jesus did not know me before during or after I was in my mother's womb – jesus is your thing not mine.

      July 1, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Loumac, I haven't been a christian for a long time now, but even I remember that the Psalms is in the Old testament and was supposedly written by David or some such and Jesus didn't pop onto the scene until a long, long, long, time after David died. Also, it begs the question why god would terminate 1 in 5 pregnancies if he "knows" them so well... you'd think He'd "know" not to put them in that womb if they're just going to miscarry. So if anything, it seems like god is more responsible for aborting fetuses than humans ever were. You ever ask god why he likes aborting fetuses so much? I mean, that's a 20% rate of all pregnancies. Maybe it's like some kind of baby t.ithe, but that's supposed to be 10%... so maybe it's more like tipping god...

      But... whatever helps you sleep at night.

      July 1, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • Know What

      Loumac,

      @GodFreeNow is quite correct in his assessment (except for the misuse of "begs the question", but that's another story).

      Also, what about all of the advances that science has made in aiding conception and in preserving threatened miscarriages? Zounds, they must be thwarting the "will" of the heavenly babymaker/abortionist!

      July 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Know What, HAHA. Thanks for the correction. I'll investigate to see where I went wrong.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • Know What

      p.s. @GodFreeNow – maybe this will help sort out this often misused phrase:

      h t t p : / / b e g t h e q u e s t i o n . i n f o/

      dang, try putting it in Google... the link won't let me post

      July 1, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Know What, Ah... peti.tio principii... good to know. Thanks again.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • justinstl

      The bible is not THE book of life. NONE of the words written in it wer words Jesus spoke...the book was not even written until a couple HUNDRED years after his death!

      July 2, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Sim34

      Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons in the Hebrew scripture. If they did then Moses would have counted them.

      "Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD." - Numbers 3:15-16

      July 2, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Some Stuff

      justinstl,

      While I don't believe that The Bible is the "words" of any supernatural being, you don't have your facts quite straight.

      The Bible is made up of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

      The Old Testament is a collection of stories from the ancient Hebrews... first passed along verbally and then written down as they learned to write.

      The New Testament is a collection of writings about the life and teachings of "Jesus"... written by evangelists starting around 30-50 years after he allegedly lived/died.

      The Bible as we see it today is a collection of these various old writings which were selected as appropriate by church leaders in the middle of the 3rd century AD.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • AaaaCccc

      Maybe you haven't read Job. Dangerous ground to be so sure you speak for God

      July 2, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • AaaaCccc

      Loumac
      Also curious, do you believe in Invitro fertilization being covered, Covering maternal healthcare for healthy babies, healthcare for kids who are born with devastating conditions so parents can afford to care for them?, coverage for these kids as adults as they have lifelong issues? Coverage for the parents to stay healthy to care for these kids? Just trying to see how consistent you are in your beliefs.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  20. b4bigbang

    (Hope you dont mind – i re-pasted this latest post to the new page 90)No Truth, Just Claims: "b4bigbang, I understand you look at the bible as historical in nature. Knowing the history of the bible I don't see why it should be trusted as historically true on anything as it has known forgeries and additions as well as other key problems. Accepting the philosophy is a whole lot different than accepting supernatural and requires a much better foundation to be believable than what the bible can provide."

    I understand there are "liberal" theologians, well-trained, placed in high academia, eg, Ehrman of Princeton (who, btw, has questioned himself out of the faith and is now an agnostic, according to Wikipedia). I realize they teach that their work has determined that the Bible is untrustworthy due to the so-called errors, etc.

    I also realize there are other well-trained academics in the field who disagree with this viewpoint and affirm the accuracy of the Scriptures. I remember reading years ago an article about the Dead Sea scrolls, saying that they'd found a copy of Isaiah there that was practically word-for-word exact to the other copies available, and that this discovery was a major blow to some of the liberal theories. I don't even remember why this was so, i just remember reading about it somewhere.

    Also, someone told me that he'd read of the discovery of the ancient town of Ur, Abraham's birthplace. Before this discovery, one liberal theory was that Ur probably had never existed and was part of the Bible 'mythology'. He told me that it turned out that Ur was in the geographic area that the Bible said it was.

    One has the right to believe any expert they wish, even including the ones who write that Jesus was the founder of a mushroom-eating cult. I choose to believe the traditional experts' findings rather than the so-called higher criticism.

    July 1, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Corr: pg 91.

      July 1, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • billdeacons

      May the peace and love of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you always

      July 1, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Thank you and may the Lord's blessings be upon you billdeacons!

      July 1, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Sim34

      The world's oldest Christian Bible, the Codex Sinaiticus, has thousands of "corrections" and textual differences to the Bibles we have today. Sorry, but you're not convincing anyone with any amount of higher education that the Bible doesn't contain myth, inaccuracy, textual misinterpretations.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • AaaaCccc

      To sim34
      Actually older fragments have been found. Some date back to very early 2nd century

      Christians circulated smaller Gospels at first

      July 2, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
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