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Jesus depicted healing a sick child.
June 28th, 2012
08:45 AM ET

Would Jesus support health care reform?

Editor’s note: This piece ran earlier this year, but we’re spotlighting it now because of Thursday’s health care decision from the Supreme Court. The story generated more than 3,000 comments, including these two:

David Nelson
It is sad that Jesus has been demoted to being a politician. Jesus plainly said "My Kingdom is not of this world." Movements to use Him to promote their agendas, whether they be on the Left or Right, are extremely suspect in the eyes of this Christian.

kateslate
Jesus would SO have been a democrat. He taught us to care for the sick...not to profit off illness. I don't know how Republicans can live with themselves and call themselves Christian.

What’s your take?

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - He was a healer, a provider of universal health care, a man of compassion who treated those with preexisting medical conditions.

We don’t know what Jesus thought about the individual mandate or buying broccoli. But we do know how the New Testament describes him. The Gospels are filled with stories of Jesus physically healing the most vulnerable and despised people in his society.

References to Jesus, of course, didn’t make into the recent U.S. Supreme Court’s hearings on the constitutionality of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Yet there is a moral dimension to this epic legal debate:

How should the nation help its “least of these,” an estimated 50 million Americans who can’t afford health insurance, as well as those who could go broke or die because they can’t afford medical care?

Christians are as divided about this question as others. Many cite Jesus, but come up with completely different conclusions.

Trust God or government?

Tom Prichard, a Lutheran and president of the Minnesota Family Council, said it’s ultimately about faith.  Who do we trust – God or government?

He opposes “Obamacare” because he has more faith in the market and people, than government.

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“Here Jesus’ words come to mind about not worrying and trusting God to meet our basic needs,” Prichard wrote in an online post warning about the dangers of “government run health care.” “Or if we believe it all depends on us, we’ll look to government.”

When reached at his Minnesota office,Prichard elaborated: He said the nation should empower families and individuals to make health-care decisions. If families can’t afford health insurance, private and public entities like churches and nonprofits should step in, he said.

“We all have the same goal,”Prichard said. “We want all people to have health care, even people who can’t afford it. I would argue that having the government be the primary vehicle for providing it is not going to get us to that goal. It’s going to make the situation worse.”

Carl Raschke, a religious studies professor at the University of Denver, evoked Jesus’ words about Rome and taxation.

Raschke cited the New Testament passage when Jesus, after being asked if Jews should pay taxes to Rome, said that people should "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

Jesus was against strictly political or economic solutions because he thought they were too easy when it comes to the real challenges of human life, Raschke said.

“Writing checks won’t solve social problems,” Raschke said. “One has to get involved. If we see someone in need, we just don’t throw a dollar at him or her. You get to know them, you offer yourself, and ask what you can do for them.”

Helping the Good Samaritans of our day

There are some Christians, though, who say that charity isn’t enough to solve the nation’s health care problems.

An estimated 32 million Americans could lose health insurance if “Obamacare” is struck down, including children who can stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 26 and seniors who get help paying for their drug prescriptions. Most observers say health care costs would continue to rise.

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Some people believe the health care situation in America would be scandalous to Jesus because he was a prophet concerned about social justice.

Steven Kraftchick, a religious scholar, said Jesus comes out of the tradition of Jewish prophets who preached that the health of a society could be measured by how well they took care of “its widows and orphans,” those who had the least power.

Kraftchick said there’s a famous story in the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus heals such a person. He was the man who called himself Legion. He might have been called homeless and mentally ill. The man roamed a graveyard, so tormented that even chains could not hold him and everyone feared him, Mark wrote.

Jesus healed the man not only physically, but socially as well, according to Mark. The man returned to his community with a sense of dignity, said Kraftchick, a professor at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology in Atlanta.

“A move toward universal health care would be fitting with the prophetic traditions,” Kraftchick said. “When you read the New Testament and look at the signs of the in-breaking of the Kingdom of God, it’s always connected to being physically healed.”

Yet Marcia Pally, an authority on evangelicals, said many evangelicals are wary of government doing the healing.  Their reasons go back centuries.

Many are the descendants of people who fled Europe because of religious persecution from countries and state churches. They fought a revolution against a government in England.  And they settled a frontier, where the virtue of self-reliance was critical, said Pally, author of “The New Evangelicals: Expanding the Vision of the Common Good.”

Suspicion of government is part of their historical and religious experience, said Pally, a professor at Fordham University and New York University.

Those attitudes, though, may be changing. Pally said she spent six years traveling across America to interview evangelicals. She discovered that a new generation of evangelists now believes that certain issues are too big and complex to be addressed by charity alone.

“Some note that charity is very good at the moment of emergency relief but it doesn’t change the underlying problem  unless structures that keep people poor, sick or deny their access to health insurance are changed,” she said.

No matter what the Supreme Court decides, the legal debate will continue. If more Americans go broke or die because they do not have health insurance, more Americans may ask, what would Jesus do?

But don’t expect any easy answers from the Bible, said Raschke, the religious studies professor at the University of Denver.

“People are always looking for support from the Bible for American political positions,” Rashke said. “Would Jesus be against abortion, or would he support a woman’s right to choose? It’s almost become a standard joke in the theological world that you quote Jesus in American politics to support your political views.

“The teachings of Jesus do not fit into the views of any political party."

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Christianity • Health care • Jesus • Politics

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  1. Bill Deacon

    Gospel Mt 9:1-8
    After entering a boat, Jesus made the crossing, and came into his own town.
    And there people brought to him a paralytic lying on a stretcher.
    When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic,
    "Courage, child, your sins are forgiven."
    At that, some of the scribes said to themselves,
    "This man is blaspheming."
    Jesus knew what they were thinking, and said,
    "Why do you harbor evil thoughts?
    Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,'
    or to say, 'Rise and walk?'
    But that you may know that the Son of Man
    has authority on earth to forgive sins?"
    he then said to the paralytic,
    "Rise, pick up your stretcher, and go home."
    He rose and went home.
    When the crowds saw this they were struck with awe
    and glorified God who had given such authority to men.

    July 5, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Primewonk

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      Einstein 16:24 Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

      Gould 1:15-16 Human consciousness arose but a minute before midnight on the geological clock. Yet we mayflies try to bend an ancient world to our purposes, ignorant perhaps of the messages buried in its long history. Let us hope that we are still in the early morning of our April day.

      Bohr 2:11 Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it.

      Szilard 88:16 I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.

      Sagan 22:1 For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reàssuring.

      Feynman 110:55 …it doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are - if it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.

      Hawking 41:61 A machine that was powerful enough to accelerate particles to the grand unification energy would have to be as big as the Solar System-and would be unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate.

      Hippocrates 14:5 Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.

      Galileo 12:16 It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved

      Carlyle 2:2 It is a mathematical fact that the casting of this pebble from my hand alters the centre of gravity of the universe.

      Fermi 1:1 The weak nuclear force does not change over time.

      Oliver Heaviside 62:3 Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?

      C. P. Snow 5:3 Innocence about Science is the worst crime today.

      Paul Valéry 3:6 One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall.

      A.C. Doyle 14:8 It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.

      Clark 19:17 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      Roddenberry 68:12 We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

      deGràsse Tyson 1:1 God is an ever receeding pocket of scientific ignorance.

      July 5, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      By the eighteenth century, the Jesuits had contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers, reflecting telescopes and microscopes, to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics and electricity. They observed, in some cases before anyone else, the colored bands on Jupiter’s surface, the Andromeda nebula and Saturn’s rings. They theorized about the circulation of the blood (independently of Harvey), the theoretical possibility of flight, the way the moon effected the tides, and the wave-like nature of light. Star maps of the southern hemisphere, symbolic logic, flood-control measures on the Po and Adige rivers, introducing plus and minus signs into Italian mathematics — all were typical Jesuit achievements, and scientists as influential as Fermat, Huygens, Leibniz and Newton were not alone in counting Jesuits among their most prized correspondents [Jonathan Wright, The Jesuits, 2004, p. 189].

      July 5, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  2. Arvoasitis

    As long as people can be persuaded to buy into what author, Linda McQauig, termed "the cult of impotence," the belief that people are powerless to influence world affairs, the world will continue to be controlled by wealth and self-serving elites.

    July 5, 2012 at 7:44 am |
  3. Dorothy

    All the world's problems will not be solved by man or science or politicians. One more thing, God is not a man, nor does He think like a man.

    July 5, 2012 at 3:52 am |
    • Arvoasitis

      As to solving the world's problems, God seems to think otherwise. Genesis 2:3, translated literally, reads: "And god blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, for in it He rested from all of His work that God has created to do." In other words, God created the world then left it to humans to continue God's work of "creating the world." Thus, to claim that people can do nothing by themselves the entirely contradictory to God's plan.

      July 5, 2012 at 7:24 am |
    • Arvoasitis

      Let's try again.
      As to solving the world's problems, God seems to think otherwise. Genesis 2:3, translated literally, reads: "And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, for in it He rested from all of His work that God has created to do." In other words, God created the world then left it to humans to continue God's work of "creating the world." Thus, to claim that people can do nothing by themselves is entirely contradictory to God's plan.

      July 5, 2012 at 7:30 am |
    • open cinnamon shoe

      There were no problems when God rested on the seventh day. Absolutely none. Further, the world was created at the point at which he rested. He absolutely did not depend on humans to continue his work of creation. Even further, the scripture you quote doesnt imply anything at all about humans one way or the other. It implies what it says: God finished his work, declared the day holy and rested.

      Youre stretching WAY to far and its half funny, half sad.

      July 5, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Nobody thinks all of the worlds problems will be solved by science, and I'm sure nobody but politicians think they will be solved by politicians. Some problems will be solved automatically by the nature of them no longer being relative. Some problems will be solve accidentally or by happenstance. Some will be solved by people learning to be more considerate of others and more forgiving. However, most will be solved by science and technology. That's what the sciences and math are designed to do. That's why people go to doctors when they get the flesh eating virus or cancer. They don't sit around and pray for a solution. Prayer only comes in when they feel science is failing them.

      July 5, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Arvoasitis

      @ open cinnamon shoe
      I think it is clear from the statement that God created "His work .. to do." In fact, people areremaking the world and so far we have done a horribly bad job of it. Yes, we've made technological progress. We've learned to sp;it hairs and make all kinds of abstruse arguments; but, when, if ever, will we smarten up?

      July 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      If 'god doesn't think like a man' wouldn't that make him singularly un qualified to deal with men?

      I mean... isn't that quote just another way of saying that god is a self centered twit? Do you really want a person who doesn't understand humans, who doesn't think like a man ruling over you? How do you deal with a ruler who you cannot understand and cannot understand you?

      No. This is just another way of saying 'god works in mysterious ways' which is another of those 'quotes' that gets pulled out when something wrong/untoward/destructive/bad happens to people.

      You cannot have a being /deity who is BOTH omniscient and omnibenevolent in a world where tragedy happens (AT ALL. And it happens on a regular basis). If he were omniscient, he'd know it was going to happen, If he was omnibenevolent, he'd not allow it to happen.

      July 6, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  4. Dorothy

    Who came up with this question: Would Jesus Support Health Care Reform? The Person sounds like a Pharisee in the Bible..lol..

    July 5, 2012 at 3:47 am |
    • dan0

      I don't know what you think is so lol funny about people not having healthcare Dorthy. And how does actually caring for people make them a pharisee. If anything, most modern christian fit that description pretty well as they are hypocrites who live in an imaginary world that doesn't exist

      July 5, 2012 at 7:48 am |
  5. Arvoasitis

    In The Celestine Prophecy, James Redfield writes, "All religion ... is about humankind finding relationship to one higher source. And all religions speak of a perception that fills us, makes us more than we were. Religions become corrupted when leaders are assigned to explain God's will to the people instead of showing them how to find its direction within themselves." It seems somwhow relevant to the current topic.

    July 4, 2012 at 7:51 am |
  6. shep

    I want to see Mitt Romney try to explain Joseph Smith to Jesus. And Planet Kolob. Amd Mormon harems. And magic diapers. And posthumous baptisms.

    July 3, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I want to see Obama explain Jesus to Joseph Smith, and talking snakes and donkeys, and a god who has to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself because of an invisible disease (sin) that everyone has in an invisible body part (soul) because everyone's great, great grandmother got talked into doing something that was wrong (before she knew what "wrong" was) or otherwise god just has to torture everyone in an everlasting pit of fire that he doesn't want but yet built and sustains.

      July 4, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • open cinnamon shoe

      She knew it was wrong to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil BECAUSE GOD TOLD HER. What part of that implies she didnt know any better? I get tired of people who have absolutely zero biblical knowledge spout out ignorance about their impression of what the Bible must say and use it to defend their position. You know nothing of what you speak though you speak with an arrogance thats blinding. Sad.

      July 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  7. Steve

    This is such a no-brainer. Forcing people (taxpayers) to pay for abortions is most definitely NOT something that Jesus would have condoned.

    “Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.”
    -Matthew 18:10

    "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
    -Jeremiah 1:5

    July 3, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      By law, abortion is not subsidized by government money, except to save the life of the mother. Perhaps you should actually read the laws instead of listening to republican sound bites.

      July 3, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Steve

      .....In an attempt to appear pro-life, Congressman Bart Stupak (D-MI) proposed a tough amendment that protected against abortion funding which passed when enough Democrats joined the Republicans to pass it.

      But in the end, 38 of those same House Democrats switched to vote with the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for the Senate version which, due to Senator Ben Nelson's (D-NE) earlier sellout, did not have pro-life protections either.

      The White House tried to offer political cover for the Democrats by drafting an Executive Order which claimed to protect against tax funding of abortion, but pro-lifers weren’t fooled.

      Even Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards dismissed the Executive Order that President Obama and Congressman Stupak agreed to as a harmless, “symbolic gesture.”

      When the dust settled, it was apparent that the supposedly pro-life amendments were simply a distraction and provided no protection to the unborn whatsoever.

      After wooing pro-lifers only to sell out at the critical juncture, Bart Stupak anticipated his political future by announcing that he would not run for re-election.

      And weeks after his vote for tax funding of abortion on ObamaCare, Congressman Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV) did not even survive his primary election.....

      July 3, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Anti-choice zealots have been yapping for over 3 decades, through numerous conservative administrations, and R v W stands. The Repubs use the issue to woo idiots into voting for them and immediately develop amnesia after they're elected. That's because they know that the majority of Americans do not wish to see abortion made illegal.

      July 3, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • Steve

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son; "Anti-choice zealots..."

      Spin-Doctor liberals:

      "It's not murder, it's pro-choice!"

      "It's not pro-life, it's anti-choice!"

      Just like your father. He was a manipulator of words from the very beginning.....

      July 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Steve

      So you throw out a load of unsubstantiated assertions as a conspiracy theory, and expect anyone to take that seriously?

      July 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Blather on, honey. R v W stands. Abortion is legal. The majority of voters do not wish to see abortion made illegal.

      Deal with it, dear.

      If it isn't in your uterus, you don't get a say.

      July 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Don't ignite a fire storm Steve. If you get in the way of a mother's right to kill her own baby things get ugly.

      July 4, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
    • dan0

      So your rejecting healthcare for everyone because your against abortion. Those 2 things are not even the same issue. You need to think more clearly man

      July 5, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • Primewonk

      Steve, here is what I don't understand – From 2000 to 2006 you fundies had the perfect storm. You owned the White House, the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court. Why the hell didn't you cretins do something then?

      Hint – you folks on the religious right (oxymoron), compassionate conservatives (oxymoron) are being played. Without you, the radical right wing and tea baggers have no power. They have to keep stringing you fundies along so you will vote for them.

      Example – In stump speeches to you cretins, Romney promises to shut down and get rid of Planned Parenthood. Yet out of the other side of his mouth, when questioned on the whole contraception/insurance fiasco, tells folks to go to Planned Parenthood! The exact same program he tells you he is going to shut down!

      July 5, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:
      The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
      The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
      The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

      July 5, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
  8. Jim Payne

    Michele Bachmann, who claims to be a Christian, should read this.

    July 3, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Steve

      Why? WHich part?

      July 3, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
  9. GonzoG

    The 'true' people who oppose "Obamacare" are the wealthy who do not want to pay for it. They are also funding opposition to ANY plan supported by the Democrats. Those who are being told to oppose it because it's against their "freedom" haven't read and understood the real law–just the soundbites from Right-Wing Pundits. They're being told to oppose taxes they will not have to pay because an increased tax on "job creators" will cause them to lay-off workers. Guess what–They're ALREADY laying off workers. These extreme rich are paying for propaganda that any interference by the Gov't on their bottom line will cause them to lay off employees. They've been doing it for years. The trigger for our current recession was very rich people creating worthless financial instruments they couldn't control, then selling them to people who didn't understand them. Those extreme rich profited from them. They sold their financial exploding bags of crap as investments for pension funds, charities, mutual funds where the middle class invest. And now they oppose "evil Gov't regulation" that would allow them to repeat their trick.
    They also oppose regulation that prevents them from dumping poisonous chemicals into our air, ground, and water. Union Carbide killed thousands in one day–in a country where they don't regulate how chemical plants operate. Do we want to see one of our towns reduced to 20,000 dead bodies so corporate executives can write themselves larger and larger bonus checks.

    And while I don't know how this can be stopped or regulated, but, how many did Larry Ellison of Oracle lay off employees so he could afford to buy his own Hawaiian Island?

    The world has long been divided into the Haves and Have Nots–that's reality–but they want it to be the "Have More" and "Have even Less"

    July 3, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • dan0

      you summed it up perfectly. I agree with you 100 percent

      July 5, 2012 at 7:49 am |
  10. Pro Jesus

    If Jesus were here, HE WOULD BE HEALTH CARE. All we need to do is touch him. I think i prefer his healthcare better than any politician. They are all LIARS!!!! Get real people!!!!!!!!!

    July 3, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
  11. nadinesh

    Seems to me this is a no-brainer. Does anyone really believe Jesus would object to Obamacare? Except that it doesn't go far enough? The New Testament stories that have come down to us certainly paint the picture of a compassionate man (and a rebel who died for his rebelliousness.) To me it seems like this opposition to universal health care on the part of people calling themselves devout Christians is that shameful skeleton in the closet that no one wants to talk about. People who really want to follow Jesus don't want to be a "tribe": - they want to be compassionate.

    July 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
  12. Kansas1946

    Well, I doubt he would like the part about forcing people to buy it, but one thing I know for sure. Jesus would never in a million years support this current bunch of Republicans. And he probably would get pretty peeved to hear them calling themselves Christians, while not doing one dange thing that he asked Christians to do.

    July 3, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • nadinesh

      Boy are you right.

      July 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • trex

      ..............CINO..........................Christians In Name Only............CINO....................the heart of the t/p led gop...............they love their GUNS more than the Lord.....................

      July 3, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • Steve

      Yea. Much better for Democrats who are pro-abortion to go around calling themselves Christians, right???

      July 3, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
  13. blake

    I have no doubt the far left is firmly convinced on one hand that Jesus would strongly support ObamaCare. And on the other hand that Jesus is a myth and a crutch of the weak.

    July 3, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • trex

      and your doubt is like Thomas................only clear to himself, and at his Father's mercy only...............

      July 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
  14. trex

    "There id no greater love, thanwent you give your life for your friends"..............I read that somewhere. I try and combine this sentiment with today's ACA debate. How can people of FAITH, REFUSE THOSE WHO ARE ILL AND POOR?

    July 3, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • trex

      the ONLY way Christians turn their backs on the poor and ill is...............if they are CINO..............or Christians in name only.....

      July 3, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
  15. FreeXenu

    If Jesus could heal individuals with their own arbitrary ailment, why couldn't he just heal ailments (or at least just an indiuvidual ailment) altogether?

    July 3, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  16. Ran

    Christians not agreeing make baby Jesus cry:(

    July 3, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Anvil of Reality

      ...and a little bit of whiskey will make him sleep.

      July 3, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  17. trex

    and the "Christians" saying that Obama is Muslim...............ARE BEARING FALSE WITNESS....................I read somewhere that this wasn't approved by the Management.

    July 3, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
  18. shep

    So when Romney is elected, do we all get to have Mormon harems? Cuz that's cool with me.

    July 3, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Love

      Jesus would support the betterment of the people and not the elites. Jesus challenged elites. He even said that it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to go into heaven. He would not be a conservative republican or even a tea bagger.

      July 3, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
  19. Bibletruth

    God is love. Regarding "healthcare", there are many health saving/enhancing commands in the bible. It is amazing that those who claim to be clued in (i.e. those claiming to be bible readers / beleivers) are clueless regarding the health messages in the bible...in fact most of them decidely fight the bible regarding those things..you better believe God has a controversey with you regarding that. How dare one who says they believe scripture turn around and be a eater of pork or shrimp, etc. God has perfectly clearly laid out what may not be eaten. Do you "believers" out there actually think that God was not caring for the health of his people in these things? that these were commands to "show them who is boss" or something? Wake Up.

    July 3, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Common Sense

      Jesus came to fulfill the law so that we may no longer be bound by it. Instead Jesus gave only one new commandment....love one another. The dietary laws of the old testament no longer apply. That was for sanctification of a people in preparation of the messiah through it. Acts 10:9-16 explains.

      Also, God is not only love. God is loving, but he is also Just, Holy etc. Don't raise one of God's attributes above the rest and define God as such. God is not love, he is God. He is mentioned as Holy more than he is mentioned as love.

      God does not care about our petty political struggles and will instead work his plan out on this earth regardless of any of our human efforts. He will also use our sin and turn it around for good and for his purposes. Don' t use God and make him out to be a tool to justify man's efforts to achieve a political agenda. He's on nobody's "team." His kingdom is not of this created world and to try to justify the healthcare debacle as some sort of divine manifestation of God's love is a misrepresentation of God's will, which you or I know nothing of.

      July 3, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Steve

      @Common Sense

      I guess it's ok to murder now then too???

      "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

      Matthew 5:17

      July 3, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Common Sense

      Sorry, but the god of the bible is neither loving, just, or acts particularly holy. Looks like you might be worshipping the wrong god.

      July 3, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Love

      Christians can eat much of anything they want. Those rules are from the OT which Jesus overrode. Moslems do it because old Mo took much from the OT and turned into his own religion. There are no real reasons in modern times to restrict foods. Those are religious rules.

      July 3, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
  20. delicious on a dime

    Reblogged this on delicious on a dime and commented:
    An interesting read shared by my friend Kendra. I am really torn about the Obamacare debacle. I really think it is just a political tactic on the Obama side, not really focused on helping those in need. Last Thursday I stumbled upon the story of Jesus feeding the 5000(+). One thing that struck me about the story that I hadn't noticed before was what Jesus says to his apostles when they flip out about where all the food is going to come from:
    Phillip replied, "Even if we worked for months, we wouldn't have enough money to feed them!" Then Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, spoke up. "There's a young boy here with five barley loaves and two fish, but what good is that with this huge crowd?"
    "Tell everyone to sit down," Jesus said.... Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to God, and distributed them to the people... And they all ate as much as they wanted. – John 6:7-12
    While I was upset about Obamacare being upheld, I am trying to be positive. God is still in control. We are striving to be thankful for what we've been given, and remember how Jesus shows in this story that he will provide enough for us.

    July 3, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • shep

      If Jesus was here today, he would point at Mitt Romney and say, "This is the false prophet I warned you about." When Republican Jesus healed the leper, he asked for his insurance card first. But when Cecil, another leper, couldn't produce proof of insurance, Republican Jesus let him die. And then he took his shoes. I think when God comes back on judgement day, Republicans better run for their lives.

      July 3, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Common Sense

      @ Shep: So just republicans are in trouble with God then??? So its safe to say that you idolize the democratic left and demonize the conservative right?? Here's a little insight for you Shep.....according to God's word, you are an idolater. So by definition, you worship your political persuasion above God. That is by definition Idolatry and Sin. Congratulations, you have just put yourself in God's cross-hairs too..... Don't be a hypocrite.

      July 3, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Common Nonsense

      "Congratulations, you have just put yourself in God's cross-hairs too..... "

      Because my God likes to hunt humans and prefers a rifle with a scope to do it.

      Anyone claiming to know what an intangible being that can only be found, touched, seen, heard or felt in the same manner as the monster under the bed, i.e. "Ooooh, I think I heard something, it must be God, ooooh, I think I felt something, it must be God"... is not only lying to themselves to the detriment of their minds and bodies but are harming society as a whole.

      July 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Correction

      @commonsense poser: You might want to stop typing now..... your lunacy is on full display.

      July 3, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Love

      Shep is right. Jesus and God are not conservative republicans. In fact, what he did at his time, was considered so liberal that the conservatives of the time planned to have him killed. He said that the rich most likely will not make it to Heaven. He fought for the little poor and sick guy.

      July 3, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • dan0

      it all comes down to us. We are "god" so to speak, as is the rest of nature. When we treat each other with respect and nature as well we are doing gods will. Making sure everyone has access to affordable healthcare is in line with this. Don't expect some miracle out of revelations. The bible was written by hopeful shepherds, but jesus was a good man who at least understood the notion of treating all with respect. As for his miracles, if they were true, he would have taught them how to make anti biotics. That 's a true miracle, and you can thank science and the hardworking scientists for that

      July 5, 2012 at 7:54 am |
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