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 Anderson Cooper's coming out provoked the author to send a tweet that triggered some strong reaction.
July 5th, 2012
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My Take: Will there be gays in heaven? Will there be fat people?Editor's Note: Craig Gross is the pastor and founder of XXXchurch.com and is the author of seven books. He just turned 36 and is no longer a hip 20-something pastor from California. By Craig Gross, Special to CNN After Anderson Cooper came out this week, I posted a link on Twitter to a story that included this quote from Cooper: “I love and am loved.” As I said in my tweet, Cooper is one of my favorite journalists. I was honored to once be on his show. After I tweeted I got e-mails and a direct message asking the same question: "You still like him now?" I was saddened by that reaction and started thinking: What would happen if we read the Bible and, instead of highlighting certain passages, we took it all for what it is - truth. In 1 Corinthians, the Bible says don't indulge your body with food or sex: “‘Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food,’ and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is meant not for fornication but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.” My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage I deal with people who indulge their bodies with sex. I’ve done it for 10 years with XXXchurch.com, helping people caught up in porn addiction. If you indulge your body with sex via pornography, affairs, strippers or hookers, and your secrets are exposed, you will not be preaching on Sunday. Sexual sin is not tolerated in our churches. If clergy are caught in these things, they’re disqualified. What if you indulge your body with food? Well, then you can pastor some of the largest churches on the planet and have the most successful broadcasts on the religious channels and sell a lot of books. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories Same biblical passage, same sin. Why is one accepted and one rejected? Why is it that religious folks want to camp out on a few things rather then all things? Why do they believe that the gay guy goes to hell but the fat preacher who builds some of the largest churches in the world makes it to heaven? I have no problem bringing my fat friends to church; they fit right in. Our Los Angeles church has doughnuts to eat during worship service, which makes the hymns we sing sound so much better. My Take: Why many Christians focus on homosexuality I coached my son's soccer team last year. My assistant coach is a lesbian. My son became great friends with her son, and my wife and I have become good friends with his mom and her partner. We played on three teams this year with them and have spent time in each others’ homes. Could I bring them to church? Absolutely not. Most evangelical Christians don't have gay friends. We just have gay stereotypes and we base our beliefs on a few biblical passages, ignoring passages about things that people in the church really struggle with, like food and other addictions. The problem is that the church has only one answer for homosexuality: Don't be gay. Come as you are, but you'd better not be gay. But you can be fat. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter Most Christians believe you should just help your friends to not be gay when, in all honesty, only Christ can do that. I love my lesbian friends. Let’s say I share Christ with them and they accept Jesus - or maybe they already have. Where do they go to church? There is no way I would send them to an evangelical church, because not everyone would treat them the way they should be treated. But if they attend a gay church many Christians look at them as crazy. People will push you to take a stand one way or the other on homosexuality, but no one has ever asked me to take a stand when it comes to fat people. The goal shouldn’t be to change anyone's sexuality. Ultimately, I believe homosexuality gets blown way out of proportion in our churches. If we would all see gays as fellow sinners instead of “others,” there wouldn't be a need for gay outreach, because they would already be incorporated into our community based on a shared need for Christ. God loves gays and Jesus is for them. God loves the fat preacher. Homosexual activity and overeating are both sins - just like speeding, gossip, lying and cheating. I think I did all of those just today. All are forgivable in Christ and, with the leading of the Holy Spirit, can be changed. Just remember that change does not happen overnight. Have you ever seen someone lose 100 pounds overnight? The process takes time. When it comes to the Lord, it’s nothing less than a journey of sanctification. And wherever you are at on that journey, I think there should be a place for you at church. Because there’s probably one in heaven. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Craig Gross. |
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Dumbest article ever.
Of course there are no fat people in heaven.
If you die, and then have to look at a bunch of fatties, that would be hell.
In heaven, it's all naked supermodels......and single malt scotch.
I like your Heaven.
Ok, now I will submit to thine will. What is your bidding, my master?
I'm sure all the fatties think they will get to push a Re-Set button when they die and pick a new "look" for heaven. I hope they are stuck like they are on Earth for eternity.
A little freedom of choice in your heaven, please, a 21 year old botlle of blended scotch, please, but irregardless, sign me up.
I have just figured out why so many christians watch FOX News. It's the same "it must be true because it is written in the bible" mentality. "It must be true because I saw it on FOX News." And yet both sources are about as laughable and devoid of fact as each other when looked at with any sort of objective thought.
Does not the Higgs boson, The God Particle, kind of nip this Bible crap in the bud? Isn't it time to move on and get real?
unfortunately not. it's called the "God Delusion" for a reason. You will never get past a delusion with science or fact. Delusional people will always quote some obscure clause from an old story book to convince themselves they are right. Good grief, half of modern accepted knowledge makes a mockery of the bible and yet people still believe.
"Good grief, half of modern accepted knowledge makes a mockery of the bible and yet people still believe."
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Delusional people don't let facts and evidence get in the way of their superst i tions and faith. Their closed and biased mind remains drunk in their ignorance.
While I am not a religious person, I don't push my views such as athiests do either. If you wantto follow a particular religion that is up to you. I do not think you should be telling anyone your views. Keep it to yourself. Don't try and spread "the word". Let others seek it.
Religion is a means of control. You control in order to profit.
Are you retarded?
This is a "BELIEF BLOG".
The whole point of this entire section on CNN.com IS for people to talk about their beliefs.
"I don't push my views such as athiests do either"
You're kidding right? Religion is "pushed" by proselytizers of every stripe on almost every street corner. When Richard Dawkins wrote The God Delusion it was immediately followed by dozens of counter publications trying desperately to drown out what he had to say. The voice of atheism is a tiny squeak in the screams of theism. But skepticism and critical thinking are powerful forces against delusion and mysticism.
I like Amderson Cooper, and thought that this was a well written, and well thought out article.
I fully believe, that gay individuals are born that way. It could be considered to be a brain "abnormality", if you like, but, our brains are an inherited body part, like all the other parts of us are, and many mental illnesses, that used to be thought to be choices, that a person could be given counseling for, "learn to change", are now recognized for the physically inherited brain abnormalities that they are. I suffered from depression, which never responded to counseling, but did to me being on an antidepressant designed to change the physical abnormality in my brain function that was causing the problem.
This world woulb be so much a better place for us all to live, if we all could learn to be much more accepting of others.
I have been friends with gay couples and individuals, and found them to often be really nice people.
I have been a lifelong atheist, which, I hid for many years for the same reasons that many gays hide that, because there
are people out there, who will judge me, and judge them, as being "bad people".
Gays and atheists are often, every bit as good as anyone else is. Caring, loving, just plain nice people.
Anyways, I just wish that there was more acceptance, but doubt that there ever will be.
The "haters" will always be with us.
". It could be considered to be a brain "abnormality", if you like, but, our brains are an inherited body part, like all the other parts of us are, and many mental illnesses, that used to be thought to be choices, that a person could be given counseling for, "learn to change", are now recognized for the physically inherited brain abnormalities that they are."
Being gay is NOT a abnormality. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.".
Being born gay is no more a "brain abnormality" than being born left-handed or black.
Religion or no religion... God or no God...
Overeating, over indulgence, gluttony, and being fat is bad... though I'm sure everyone will whine and cry and say they have glandular problems.
There are over 100,000,000 overweight or obese Americans.
99.9% do not have a medical problem that causes it.
They are just stupid and lazy.
The science of obesity research is facinating. It is a multivariate, with many contributing factors.
One aspect that most folks are ignorant about is the relationship between obesity and sleep. Humans need (on average) 8.25 hoours of sleep every 24 hours. When you get less sleep than you physiologically need, it screws up 2 neurohormones called Leptin and Ghrellin. These hormones tell you that your hungry and need to eat, and tell you that you are full and to stop eating. And even worse, the miss-regulation makes your body crave carbohydrates, fats, and sugars.
Religion should not be villified, but instead, appreciated for it being what it is; a natural extension of the human imagination. As the only mammal seemingly capable of having these higher thoughts, man's grasped with the concept of 'something being greater than himself' forever, it appears. Being able to cope without religion is actually a luxury. so many people feel so slighted by life, they need to believe that there's some peace somewhere after all this. It's the most beautiful part, actually. The comfort it could provide when viewed with 'rose-colored' glasses.
Great Article! Christ died for the sins of many. We shouldn't obstruct people from hearing about Jesus, no matter the sin. I like how you put speeding as a sin too. (I'm guessing from one of the Peter epistles when it says to follow man's law) I really enjoyed this article. Thanks!
Isn't allowing someone else to take your just punishment a sin?
So accepting Jesus is a sin.
Basic flaw in Christianity.
You know, I've always been curious. Why did Jesus have to die? Why did the father need a human sacrifice to cleanse his own creation of the rules he set? In other words... why do you worship a god that requires human sacrifice?
@Who invited me?: the basic flaw in the world is your brain's existence. It sadly cannot compete in today's world.
@Dana In lieu of an actual point to make, please feel free to insult @Who invited me. Thanks for adding substance to the conversation.
Dana
Do you have a point to make or are you just being christian?
To: Who invited me? "Isn't allowing someone else to take your just punishment a sin? So accepting Jesus is a sin. Basic flaw in Christianity."
–Allowing someone else to take your just punishment is not a sin. When a person "accepts Jesus" into his or her life, they admit that they are the guilty one, that nothing they can do can make up for all of their sin, and that only by receiving God's grace can they become righteous. Jesus made the sacrifice for every man, woman, and child and He welcomes us to put our faith in Him and find forgiveness. It was the ultimate act of love, and the only way we can be right with God. We aren't blaming Jesus or making Him take the fall for us – He gave His life for us.
To: Mike – "You know, I've always been curious. Why did Jesus have to die? Why did the father need a human sacrifice to cleanse his own creation of the rules he set? In other words... why do you worship a god that requires human sacrifice?"
God doesn't require human sacrifice. In the Old Testament, God's people would burn a sacrifice to honor God, typically a lamb. It was a symbolic act out of obedience, but the actual blood of the lamb had no actual power, it was God who ultimately chose to forgive his faithful followers. However, because of the sin of Adam and Eve, all men and women are separated from God by sin, a chasm that we cannot fill by any actions or good deeds. God sent his Son, Jesus Christ, to share his glorious vision for all people of the world. That anyone who put their faith in Christ would have their sins forgiven. Jesus was perfect and without sin – so by Him giving his own life, he paid the price for all of our sins. We all die a physical death, but those that put their faith in God and receive His grace through Jesus are reborn spiritually to be reunited with God in Heaven. Never has God required human sacrifice. Jesus willingly paid the price for our sins on the cross so that we all may live.
Bob Barker
So I HAVE to allow someone else to take my just punishment...this to me is one of the least moral things that one can do.
It goes against the moral authority, which is the definition of sin. Therefore If I let this happen, I sin, and would therefore need jesus help, so I would need to accept jesus, which is a sin, so I need jesus help, so I accept jesus, which is a sin etc, etc, etc.
Sorry... I'll just have to accept the reality that christianity was created by men to control men just like all other religions.
The flaws in the basics of the religion are proof enough to me that they were not of "divine creation" rather the flawed works of man.
@Bob Barker,
"In the Old Testament, God's people would burn a sacrifice to honor God, typically a lamb. It was a symbolic act out of obedience, but the actual blood of the lamb had no actual power, it was God who ultimately chose to forgive his faithful followers"
Sure fine, "God" made a choice, but the rules the book claims he gave to moses REQUIRED men to perform blood scrifices if they ever wanted that choice to happen. "God" mandated animal sacrifice, and there are times when he killed his followers because they disobeyed those rituals or "desicrated" (touched) those alters.
"However, because of the sin of Adam and Eve, all men and women are separated from God by sin, a chasm that we cannot fill by any actions or good deeds."
God already punished mankind for this- he kicked them out of the Garde and imposed death, and then later he killed off all the humans by Noah's family. he didn't then tell Noah, "I'm still mad at you for what Adam adn Eve did", so why do we assume he still held a grudge. They say you have to be baptised to wash away the original sin, why? " God" baptized the planet.
"Never has God required human sacrifice. Jesus willingly paid the price for our sins on the cross so that we all may live"
You contradict yourself here. You say "God" never required human sacrifice, but Jesus paid the price. Jesus was sacrificed. IF that is the price he paid, then it sounds like that's the price "God' was charging. Why? He could have just made Jesus say "I've walked among men father, and they are really super sorry, my work is done here". OR, since Jesus supposedly is "God" he could have just gotten over the offense that he himself created in the first place.
Sorry, but your religion doesn't say what you're saying, and what it IS saying doesn't make sense.
Jesus "died for our sins" because Jesus followers had no other way of explaining how their "god" could be put to death. Very convenient. Sacrifice was a rampant ritual, so, let's call it "sacrifice" (the mentality of the day was that's how you appeased an unseen god. It all fits very neatly. Complete crap from a bunch of mystical nomads.
"Great Article! Christ died for the sins of many."
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Your delusional Christ born a bas tard died due to his delusion. In reality Mary was a wh or e who could not keep her legs closed so she made up this great story about God visiting her etc. to her husband. Jesus was a product of sin and the lie consumed his brain.
What I find amazing is how for the better part of 10,000 years religion has just been a tool for controlling the masses through culture in one form or another and no one seems to understand that this is what its function was. Easier to instill ideas that allow people to self goven than post police on each street corner. Its time for people to wake up, if you want to enjoy a spiritual aspect of your life, do it on your own, explore yourself and this world. Its time for people to stop letting others think for them.
People can believe in heaven and hell or not, but that doesn't affect the reality that the bible clearly states they are real. Like i said you have free will. Heaven or Hell is awaiting everybody, where u go is your choice.
"People can believe in heaven and hell or not, but that doesn't affect the reality that the bible clearly states they are real"
That is true. However the fact that the bible states that heaven and hell are real in no way effects the reality that they are not real.
The Bible says a lot of things, all of them completely made up.
"Twilight" tells us that some vampires won't hurt us because they drink animal blood. I am very reassured to know that is true because it is written in a book.
Question everything.
" Heaven or Hell is awaiting everybody, where u go is your choice."
Really? Does your god already know if I will end up in heaven or hell? Since he claims both omnscience and omnipotence he must. Otherwise, he wouldn't be much of a god, would he?
Since your god already knows where I will end up – and in fact, knew this before he created the universe – how can I surprise him? Let's say that your version of a god knows that my ticket is punched to go to hell. How can I sneak into Heaven? Conversely, if your god knows that I am going to heaven, can I actually end up in hell?
Do fat people and gay people go to heaven? No, they like everyone else who ends up there leave their bodies in their caskets which turn into bones and dust, or ashes which turn to dust in their urns. Their souls are what go to heaven and their souls are neither fat nor gay.
CNN journalists don't - Another piece of CNN "journalism" excellence! Good to see Anderson is justifying his big "fat" salary.
This wasn't submitted by a CNN employee. It was an opinion piece written by Paster, who is compleetly independent of CNN.
What we really need to do is throw religion in the trash heap of history.... It continues to be the greatest scurge of our existence... The reliance on writings of an ancient, ignorant bunch of drunks, dreamers, and control freaks is the abomination... It still AMAZES me that people in this modern world can still say that ANYTHING in the bible or other "HOLY" books come from some god........... Whew.....Wake the "hell" up!
So the fat person can lose weight, what does the gay man do? Become straight?
Sin is sin. God gave everybody free will. You have a choice. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do, just remember, he clearly states the consequence for chosing man/women over him. So, live your life the way you want, but you will pay in the end. You will be dead alot longer then you live and eternal suffering isn't my cup of tea.
Would you put "God" ahead of your spouse, or ahead of your child?
"You have a choice"
Being gay is not a choice and science, in fact, is actually not in dispute on this matter.
All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.
Reparative therapy, also called conversion therapy or reorientation therapy, "counsels" LGBT persons to pray fervently and study Bible verses, often utilizing 12-step techniques that are used to treat sexual addictions or trauma. Such Christian councilors are pathologizing homosexuality, which is not a pathology but is a sexual orientation. Psychologically, that's very dangerous territory to tread on. All of the above-mentioned medical professional organizations, in addition to the American and European Counseling Associations, stand strongly opposed to any form of reparative therapy.
In my home country, Norway, reparative therapy is officially considered to be ethical malpractice. But there are many countries that do not regulate the practice, and many others that remain largely silent and even passively supportive of it (such as the Philippines). Groups that operate such "therapy" in the Philippines are the Evangelical Bagong Pag-asa, and the Catholic Courage Philippines.
The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.
On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"
Take this interesting paragraph I found on an Evangelical website: "The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" – meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are 'born that way.'"
But that's not at all what it means, and it seems Evangelicals are plucking out stand-alone phrases from scientific reports and removing them from their context. This is known in academia as the fallacy of suppressed evidence. Interestingly, this is also what they have a habit of doing with verses from the Bible.
This idea of sexuality being a choice is such a bizarre notion to me as a man of science. Many of these reparative "therapists" are basing this concept on a random Bible verse or two. When you hold those up against the mountain of scientific research that has been conducted, peer-reviewed, and then peer-reviewed again, it absolutely holds no water. A person's sexuality – whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual – is a very deep biological piece of who that person is as an individual.
The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.
Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).
Furthermore, there are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.
Having said that, in the realm of legal rights, partnership rights, and anti-discrimination protections, the gay gene vs. choice debate is actually quite irrelevant. Whether or not something is a choice is not a suitable criterion for whether someone should have equal rights and protections. Religion is indisputably a choice, but that fact is a not a valid argument for discriminating against a particular religion.
Did God create us or did we create God?
Odds are, nothing happens when we die.
@Reality Bites – And since God creates sin and evil, ultimately..... 'free will' is a shame. what's free will when God should know exactly how my life will turn out? This is God, right? If God can't see my futre, how can Ms. Cloe?
yes we do have free will but God didn't give it to us as God didn't exist. The enlightened among us use our free will to live our lives being good because it is the right thing to do, while religiouis folk would rather live their lives governed by the rules written by middle eastern bronze age con men with alterior motives. Which sounds like free will to you?
When we do die I believe we all go to heaven no matter what we were in life. Because Hell is right here on earth. But being Agnostic you can bnelieve in anything.
When we die we are dead. That is all.
Did you mean to type 'unbelieve' in anything?
We will not be going to heaven ourselves. Our souls, whatever they are, will instead leave us to go to heaven, our decaying bones will remain behind here on earth, locked in our caskets until they disappear. I have studied the matter a bit, have not yet learned where heaven is. Myself, should my soul enter heaven, is a bit of a disappointment. I am an avid bowler, would like to go to that great bowling alley in the sky. But I am sure my soul will not bowl there. I am also a bit concerned about eternity. After a few million years my soul just might feel, "This is great with these gold paved streets, but it would be nice if it were to be that enough is enough I am growing weary of this bliss."
@eroteme – Don't worry about such things. You won't be confirmed of any of that on Earth.
@Cosmo – I too, am agnostic. Although I entertain the concept of God, I came to a conclusion that can only be undermined if God appears before us; "He doesn't want to be found, nor does he let himself be known in an indisputable fashion." We have how many religions? If he wanted A particular religion to represent him, he's confused us all. Cause so many different people of faith swear they have the truth and will die for their beliefs. So, I'm out. No more religion for me. Or if I do have a religion, it's one of my own making that I can grapple with. No confusion.
According to the Bible, Torah and Koran, Sodom was destroyed because of their wicked ways. For instance, when the angels went to Lots house to talk to him a crowed gathered and demanded the strangers so they could "be" with them. Nowhere does it say fat people will not go to heaven. It warns of gluttony to be sure, but no less than how the Liberals have accused fat people as a drain of societies resources and time. You dont have to believe in religion. But reality is that we are being told more and more what to eat, how to live, what to think, what to say and what to drink.
"gathered and demanded the strangers so they could "be" with them. "
Yo moron, that is defined as rape and has nothing to do with our understanding of gays today. Duh! Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."
Social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents—concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people—are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being.
Members of the teaparty will spend eternity in a hell that is custom made just for them. For example, a new double wide trailer but no Barca-lounger to put in it. Or a nascar track with no cars. Or a Walmart without a guns and ammo department. The horror...
Nice of you to use a story about fat people to spew your bile about anyone that doesn't believe as you do. Only someone who has no fear of any retribution could be so bigoted as to blame others.
"Don't judge me because I sin differently than you do."-President Dieter F. Uchtdorf
All mankind must REPENT as Romans 3: 23 tells us. Eve disobeyed , brought death to all mankind, those who disobey
Matthew 2: 24 "vengeance of eternal fire"Jude verse 7 for them. IIf they repent 'Street of Gold' (Rev. 21: 21)
Why should anyone else believe that? Any evidence?
mike- did you really ask him for evidence? hahahahahaha they dont need evidence they have a book that should be enough...
Take the Haldol every day.
Well, then they should be mocked. Just as much as someone who believes that the earth is flat, or someone who doesn't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Good one God. Create man and woman and see that they are good. Then create magic apple and talking snake just to f with them.
But we created god... and saw that it was an effective way to control the masses.
Mike wants to mock people for not believing as he does, or lack of belief. It seems being anti-christian is his religion. Who is next for his scorn? Hindus? Buddhists? But surly not the religion that cuts off heads and where being gay is a death sentence.
Precisely.
Precisely was for Mike.
Yes, death came into the world from sin, but John 10:10 says in part that Jesus came that we may have life and have it more abundantly. He is not simply a fire escape.
William
Did you ever think that you are being mocked because you believe in talking animals? If read critically the bible is ludicrous.
William, it is the fundamentalist Christians on here who are being mocked. They post inane drivel, and try to force others to live according their particular religious idiocy. If fundamentalist Muslims, or Jews, or Hindus, or Buddhist, etc., were on here doing the same thing, I want to personally assure you that they would be mocked as well.
William, do you believe in talking animals, burning bushes that talk, the earth's rotation being able to stop? I mean, I could go on, but if you wanna be all sensitive about it...
Do you think an adult, who still believes in the tooth fairy, and only votes for politicians who also believe in the same tooth fairy, should be openly mocked? Well, I do.
@Mike
Mia Culpa. I accidently hit the report abuse button on your last post. As a fellow Pastafairian, I shall quaff down an additional beer to pay homage to you and of course the FSM.
Having been mocked for my steadfast belief in the FSM and pigging out on beer and pasta, have made me unacceptable for entry into the christian heaven Hallelujah; I am looking forward to the beer volcano and stri*pp*er factory in our heaven.
PS: Fat is such an inclusive term they should break it down, overweight, obese, morbidly obese and call in the crane.