July 5th, 2012
01:11 PM ET
My Take: Will there be gays in heaven? Will there be fat people?
Editor's Note: Craig Gross is the pastor and founder of XXXchurch.com and is the author of seven books. He just turned 36 and is no longer a hip 20-something pastor from California.
By Craig Gross, Special to CNN
After Anderson Cooper came out this week, I posted a link on Twitter to a story that included this quote from Cooper: “I love and am loved.” As I said in my tweet, Cooper is one of my favorite journalists. I was honored to once be on his show.
After I tweeted I got e-mails and a direct message asking the same question: "You still like him now?"
I was saddened by that reaction and started thinking: What would happen if we read the Bible and, instead of highlighting certain passages, we took it all for what it is - truth.
In 1 Corinthians, the Bible says don't indulge your body with food or sex: “‘Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food,’ and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is meant not for fornication but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.”
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I deal with people who indulge their bodies with sex. I’ve done it for 10 years with XXXchurch.com, helping people caught up in porn addiction.
If you indulge your body with sex via pornography, affairs, strippers or hookers, and your secrets are exposed, you will not be preaching on Sunday. Sexual sin is not tolerated in our churches. If clergy are caught in these things, they’re disqualified.
What if you indulge your body with food? Well, then you can pastor some of the largest churches on the planet and have the most successful broadcasts on the religious channels and sell a lot of books.
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Same biblical passage, same sin. Why is one accepted and one rejected? Why is it that religious folks want to camp out on a few things rather then all things?
Why do they believe that the gay guy goes to hell but the fat preacher who builds some of the largest churches in the world makes it to heaven?
I have no problem bringing my fat friends to church; they fit right in. Our Los Angeles church has doughnuts to eat during worship service, which makes the hymns we sing sound so much better.
My Take: Why many Christians focus on homosexuality
I coached my son's soccer team last year. My assistant coach is a lesbian. My son became great friends with her son, and my wife and I have become good friends with his mom and her partner. We played on three teams this year with them and have spent time in each others’ homes.
Could I bring them to church? Absolutely not.
Most evangelical Christians don't have gay friends. We just have gay stereotypes and we base our beliefs on a few biblical passages, ignoring passages about things that people in the church really struggle with, like food and other addictions.
The problem is that the church has only one answer for homosexuality: Don't be gay. Come as you are, but you'd better not be gay. But you can be fat.
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Most Christians believe you should just help your friends to not be gay when, in all honesty, only Christ can do that.
I love my lesbian friends. Let’s say I share Christ with them and they accept Jesus - or maybe they already have. Where do they go to church?
There is no way I would send them to an evangelical church, because not everyone would treat them the way they should be treated. But if they attend a gay church many Christians look at them as crazy.
People will push you to take a stand one way or the other on homosexuality, but no one has ever asked me to take a stand when it comes to fat people.
The goal shouldn’t be to change anyone's sexuality. Ultimately, I believe homosexuality gets blown way out of proportion in our churches. If we would all see gays as fellow sinners instead of “others,” there wouldn't be a need for gay outreach, because they would already be incorporated into our community based on a shared need for Christ.
God loves gays and Jesus is for them. God loves the fat preacher. Homosexual activity and overeating are both sins - just like speeding, gossip, lying and cheating. I think I did all of those just today.
All are forgivable in Christ and, with the leading of the Holy Spirit, can be changed. Just remember that change does not happen overnight.
Have you ever seen someone lose 100 pounds overnight? The process takes time. When it comes to the Lord, it’s nothing less than a journey of sanctification.
And wherever you are at on that journey, I think there should be a place for you at church. Because there’s probably one in heaven.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Craig Gross.
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Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Love you Anderson. You are all heart and soul. XO
Heart soulless and filth. Gotta wonder where that vomit inducing,smirking mouth has been. Jail the qu eer and save innocents from their perversion.
Hello Perversion is a Crime.
Anderson Cooper's mouth has probably been to the same kind of places as your girlfriend's mouth. That is, if he and she are doing it right!
You may talk normal or qu eer it is an abomination to consider both equal. No need to mix genders you are talking about a filthy qu eer. Qu eers the folks who gave the world AIDS.
Where did you get the idea that AIDS was originated by gays? It originated in Africa from handling/eating monkey meat and took off from there.
Don't tell me you believe that crap about the monkey meat. The Evil Prince created AIDS as a way of ridding the world of highly rhythmic individuals and sissy boys.
Hey Rational Libertarian:
You forgot the drug users, accident victims and hemophiliacs!
I did not know San Francisco was in Africa. Do they "eat" a lot of "monkey meat" in San Francisco?
As soon as the qu eers realized they were dying they decided to take as many innocents as possible with them, so they knowingly tainted the blood supply,shared infected needles with addicts and introduced their unnatural acts into the normal populace. Now they want rights????? One more tea party election and a couple decent appointments to the supreme court and the qu eer agenda goes away.
Well PROFESSOR PERVERSION:
If you believe AIDS originated in San Francisco, that should be all that the folks on this blog need to know about you and your education. I have an IQ between 72 and 73 and even I know baloney when I see it, read it or hear it. You are full of baloney. If I live to be 13 years old, I will never understand how you and your fellow travelers gobble up this nonsense about heesus over 1600 years after you should know better.
@ PROFESSOR PERVERSION –
I was there near the beginning and Jamest297 has it right!
Corn hole cowboys of San Francisco unleashed AIDS on the world. Ground zero = one sicko qu eer from Montreal Canada who had multiple contacts with man and beasts.
Oh, stick it, Captain Ass hole/Bob/herbie/Doddering Fool.
Thank you for writing this. There are many people I love that need to hear this.
What about Alcoholics, or adulterers, or suicidal people.
Im not perfect. If I were I wouldn't need a SAVIOUR...
"for it is by GRACE (GODS RICHES at CHRIST's expense!) I have been saved through Faith. Not of works lest any man boast " Eph 2:8-9
Practicing Ho mo se xuals will not inhabit heaven. They are twice dead.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
Mat 19:16 ¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Whoa! There it is again, right from the mouth of Jesus himself....KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That is for all of you who think that the particular man who penned the portion of the Bible assigned to him by God added his own "opinion" as he wrote. It DIDN'T happen that way. Every single jot and ti.ttle are there by design of the Holy Spirit. Are we clear on this?
No evidence to support the existence of a holy spirit or to support that those scripture were dictated by anything-are we clear on that? It doesn't matter what the buybull says on the matter. The buybull can't be used in this world outside of your belief and therefore it does not have pertinence in saying whether or not this issue is right or wrong. If all you have to argue the basic human rights of another person is your buybull then you really have nothing. SCIENCE and numerous other peer reviewed studies have stated that being gay in natural, the fact that you deny this is your issue. Your opinion and your buybull do not change the facts!
Did you ever hear the one about a Canadian that minded its own business?
You won't the ass hole can't help itself from butting into the middle of someone else business, as if it was needed or wanted. Hey liar prevails thanks but we got our own idiots.
Aw, Truth, it looks like your little stalker is back, but with a new name. Poor Cap'n Dodney America. He loves all things Canada so much, yet he lacks the maturity to admit it. He has to call names instead, because that's the only way you pay attention to him.
Can be dismissed without proof
You are dismissed tallulah take a hike.
Talk idiot and one pops right up , tallulah right on cue.
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Unrepentant sinners will NOT be in heaven. Case closed. H0m0s^xuality is not only a sin, but an abomination. What part of this don't you understand? God's Word makes it quite simple.
Thank you for additional clarification . Those who practice sin want to have the sin accepted as "normal" rather than the diseased perversion it is. God bless
Keith, do you think that people who eat shellfish will be in heaven? After all, that too is an abomination according to your bible. Perhaps the problems facing this country aren't the fault of the relatively small number of hom.os.exuals in this country, but rather the large number of people who continue to enjoy lobster, shrimp, oysters, clams and other shellfish. Maybe you should start burning seafood restaurants.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Why are people so incredibly dense that they don't understand this?
Keith, you're right. By the rules of your bible, there will be no gays in heaven. There will also be no people who eat shellfish or pork, or people who wear blended fabrics. There will be no men who shave or cut their hair the wrong way, nor will be there be women who wear pants. No people who cheat on in their business dealings will be in heaven, and I think the catholics are a lost cause, what with the graven image thing. There are far too many abominations in the bible to make such a big deal about gays.
It's a darned good thing that there's no proof to support the existence of your god or your heaven. It makes the whole afterlife thing moot so we can concentrate instead on making this one life we do get the best one possible.
If America thinks the Bible is worthless, if we think it doesn't matter today, maybe we HAVE lost touch with our beginnings here. Our country was founded on the gospel of Jesus Christ. How sad that American's search for answers in all the wrong places. If the truth be know, history is clear in the Word of God, "A nation that forgets God" is in for trouble. Are we? God gave us protection through our faith in Him. But ask Him to leave and He backs out like a gentelman. That protection leaves when Pride enters. We say we no longer need Him in School, Government and so on, so guess what? The only, ONLY way this nation will recover is to come back to Him in Faith. Not better enconomics, money or any of that!
No, Chris, the government of the United States was founded on the principles of freedom, by men more influenced by the Enlightenment movement - which embraced reason and science - than by the bible.
While the majority of the population of the United States has historically been christian, the Founding Fathers were wise enough to separate church from state for protection of EVERYONE. Every citizen of the United States if free to worship (or not worship) as they choose, without fear of unjust persecution. It protects you as well. How many christian denominations are there? Would you be happy change your way of worship if a different denomination was in power?
Freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of belief - these are the pillars on which the United States stands.
was founded by men of Christian principle. America ,created by Christians for Christians, get used to it.
I'm OK with gay people going to heaven because they can't help their gayness – they were made and born that way by god. But fat people should go to heII because they are in total control of their fatness and they smell and are all-around nuisances.
Qu eer is not a birth defect. We are all born with a sin nature. Converting that nature into any sin requires a choice. Qu eers choose to be qu eers.
^ ^ ^ Delusional idiocy.
midwest: perversion is too far gone in their delusion and bigotry to be convinced...it's like trying to talk to a rock.
First I am a citizen in my own country, one nation under God, not some foreign qu eer trying to undermine the fabric of America. Second, Truth is not bigotry or delusion. Get used to it.You may relish living a lie where you live but here it is Truth, Justice and the American way.
TP, you don't even even believe in God or heaven or hell, so why do you add your two-cents-worth? You are the one suffering from the delusion.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Perversion: you are a citizen of OUR country, not yours. The laws that protect the freedom of all (not just you) were set down in the Consti.tution, then amended to increase those freedoms. You may not be comfortable around gays, but there is more evidence to indicate that hom.os.exuality is a natural orientation than there is proof of any god, yours included. Your god has no legal standing in this secular nation.
And by the way, the whole "under god" thing is a byproduct of McCarthyism. It was not the intent of the people who founded our nation.
Keith: When you stop using your buybull to justify hate and to step on the basic rights of others I will stop voicing my opinion, until then I will enjoy my freedom of speech. You buybull is 2000 years old and has never been update, we have peer reviewed evidence to prove that what your book of delusions states is nothing but fallacies.
Truth is never hate,hate is some vicious foreigner insulting the Bible with a misspelling. Someone without the class God gave a pig. Let that idiot atheist fairy be accursed.
@ the prophet – if indeed you are a typical modern Christian, and if you indeed are one of the " saved ", I 'll pass on any salvation that includes arrogant, judgmental, self-righteous hypocrites like you. God bless.
About one more tea party election and a couple more decent supreme court justices and you qu eer bait sobs will be singing a different tune. Back to a basic Christian America. No more worrying about the hard done by fairies and their sick twisted agenda. Time to care for the decent Americans.
A Perversion Is A Crime
That's like saying babies aren't born either male or female. We know that they are. We also know that they cannot change from the gender of their birth. Same with gayness. NOT the same with fatness.
You may be born male or female you are not born qu eer. No one is . One more tea party election and a couple more decent voices on the supreme court and the qu eer bull sh it goes away.
^ ^ ^ ^ hopelessly deluded.
TP, Freedom of speech? You mean the 1st Amendment? I also like the 2nd Amendment. Oh, that's right, you cannucks don't have that one.
TP, By you flapping your gums and spreading your ignorance, all you've really managed to do is store up for yourself WRATH on the day of WRATH. As if going to hell won't be bad enough, you will get bonus points and more WRATH for each and every person you lead astray. Think about it.
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
The bible illustrates that God hates sin but loves the sinner. While I completely agree that all sin bears the same weight and same consequence the truth is NO one who has not accepted Jesus are their personal savior they will not be with Him in eternity. After we do accept Him our desires change and in wanting to be more like Him we ask and accept His help to overcome our sins to become a wonderful example of Him to the world around us. The Truth is that God loves us so much that he orchestrated all of this to show us His love so that we could have the CHOICE to choose Him.
Jesus never said that being gay was a sin, and Christians have dumped all of the Old Testament laws that also forbade it. So, it all comes down to whether you accept Paul's ruling over Jesus' silence on the matter, knowing full well that Paul admits to expressing his personal opinions, and not the Christian teaching that he received, at times in his letters. If you are wrong, and Jesus did not consider being gay a sin, and all you're basing your bias on is Paul's personal opinion, then you are being a Paulist, and not a Christian, right?
There is no dispute between Jesus and Paul. Ho mo se xuality has always been a filthy sin. Jesus was without sin, He did not give immorality a pass. His instructions to the immoral woman could be extended to all moral failings... Go and SIN no more.
@ just sayin – Please cite the biblical passage where ANYTHING is described as a " filthy sin ". Or was that merely an editorial add-on by you ?
abomination says it well. God bless
All sin is filth, ho mo se xuality adds definition to dirt in sin. Unnatural, unholy acts committed by a lost and dying person, infecting not only themselves but all who are around them. Leviticus calls it a capital offense and Romans describes the godless nature of its adherents. God bless
So it was merely an editorial add-on. Thank you.
No. You were shown where to find the references you are nothing but a filthy liar if you think you can put words in the mouth of others. Read the texts you sniveling coward. Read and weep for you fate is sealed in your own filth.
@ the prophet – thank you for your typically " Christian " reply. Next.
Love demands discipline. Judgement awaits. You were told.
Most divorce is a sin, according to Jesus.
31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for $exual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Yet, it's funny how many straight Christians choose to ignore this very clear teaching of Jesus, while opting to assume that he would condemn being gay even though he never said a word on the subject, according to the Gospels. Why would they care about the rights of gays? They're not one of them, but suggest taking away their right to have quick, multiple marriages to different people easily ended, and then they're all for as liberal a reading of the Bible as needed. Aren't they being hypocrites in doing this?
Sorry, I don't like the hebrew god and I'm half Jewish. He's a big. hairy mean guy. I seen his picture on the ceiling of that Sistene Chapel place in Vatican Square in Rome. He's really big and has that same gray beard that Zeus has. How the christians see him I guess. Hmm... I found the hebrew god to be a vain creature totally capricious and changeable with all human foibles intact. His ego knows no bounds and he shows His insecurity in railing against humans to not believe in any othr gods. If he's king of the hil in heaven then what's he squawking about? He's a literal parody of a vain, arrogant male human. Poor Lot couldn't catch a break! Find for God one honest man and You won't destroy my city? Whoa! The pressure! And poor Jobe! "Yes, I've slaughtered your family and given you boils and made you feel really lousy lately, but you still love Me, eh?" Then there's poor Jesus, "I'm sending you, my son, to go down and redeem those wayward rascals that turned on me! And don't come back empty handed! Even if they kill you!"....As to who or what created the Cosmos and everything in it, I wouldn't have a clue. But that particular god depicted in the bible is certainly not it.
List of things in this article that aren't real:
From p. 27:
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adultery or fornication allowed.
And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-se-x marriages.
From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.
As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions
Wow! You got away with saying the 'M' word! CNN must be slipping!
The author has terribly missed some facts about gays and overweights. That exposed his true nature and uncloacked his ulterior motives in writing this piece of crap.
Look, I'm 33 yrs. old, stands 5'11" tall and weigh at 277 lbs. I've been having 1 cup or no rice with some veges, fruits and strictly no red meat on my plate since the age of 14, the time my tummy started to bulge. And I have a gay friend who is the executive secretary of their church.
He miserably fail to do his homework to know the fact that gluttony isn't the lone culprit of obesity. He fails to identify the conspirators namely; genes, slow metabolism, et' al.
Most of all...
he wasn't able to grasp that God, the bible and the church does NOT condemns gay but the ACT thereof.
The author's thoughtless attempt to implicate religious bigotry with regards to gays was an epic failure.
Does NOT *condemn *gays, rather and should be read; religious bigotry *towards gays.
Hello PROFESSOR! If you are fat, it's because you eat too much. If you recall, it's one of the natural laws that the body has to obey: You cannot make something from nothing! So, if you don't put the calories down the hatch, the body cannot turn them into fat. You need to grow up and quit making excuses. You are fat for a reason.
Try google "causes of obesity". It will help you refraining from advertising you stupity and UTTER IGNORANCE on this blog.
Someone being gay is something personally I choose to see as "their lives" "their happiness" and it does not effect mine.
So why would I judge anyone who is gay? I read the bible and it is not my job to be anyones judge for anything on the face of the earth.
So until I am PERFECT (that) could be when I would feel I could judge another human being , I am not nor is anyone else.
I don't know anyone who is gay , but if my own son walked up to me and told me , I am gay... I could love him all the same , not just because he is my son , but because it's not a judgement call nad it would be his life !
Adultry is a sin as well and people cheat on their spouses everyday, even preachers cheat, but they are never judged and looked down upon like gay people are.
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Thank God for Grace. Great article.
The point of my post is that the whole silly jesus story is more fiction and fairy tale than real, the book you mention is just as fictious as my silly/stupid post written to provoke you religious types to make some sort of attempt at proving your hypothesis. Shroud of Turin, water at Lourdes, Dead Sea Scrolls, mad peoples epiphanies, etc. don't count as like all your claims cannot be rationaly proven.
I think that the atheists, Catholics, Muslims, the straights and the gays should all learn to accept and love each other.
Then we can all gang up and kill the Scientologists.
I think we ALL agree that they should be exterminated
Can't we just point and laugh at the scientologists? I think that would bug them even more than the death thing.
Prayer changes things ,
Prayer does just as much to change things as finding a 4-leaf clover.
Great idea try taking your 4 leaf clover before the judge on judgement day.
hello,i read some comments made on this particuler subject,and i see that most are made out hate,non gays towers gays ,cristian towers non cristians and the other way around.nothing positive can come out of such discution if those involve have no real understanding of the issue.this is a gossip and stone throwing contest,both side should read the bible,and dont start picking out those verse that are convinent.GOD love s sinners but not sin. please excuse my righting
There is no excuse for your "righting"
and no good reason to read the bible.
Salvation is an excellent reason to read the Bible. God bless
What "just sayin" fails to mention is that the entire basis for his belief - gods, demons, miracles, damnation and salvation - exist only in the bible. In the real world, there isn't a single shred of evidence to support the existence of any of those things. The bible has as much credibility as the Iliad, and frankly the Iliad is a much better read.
The bible also has less morality than "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure". The simple message of "be excellent to each other" is a better rule by which to live than the biblical "condemn people who are different than you"
The hate of a tallulah is a badge of honor to a Christian. Blessed are we when they say all manner of things against us falsely. It is not the Bible it is tallulah and its ilk that are filled with hate. God bless
I know that you hate me, "just sayin". That's fine. I don't hate you, however. My father taught me to consider hate before bestowing it on anyone. As a consequence, I hate lies, I hate bigotry, I hate ignorance. But you? All I feel towards you personally is indifference.
What are you on about tallulah you are one of the most bigoted hate filled people on these blogs. God bless
There is a gap from when jesus was born in a manger untill he was out and about doing miracles and preaching and collecting sheckels from the crowd. JC at sixteen,,,
joeseph- Hey son, going out, got a date?
jesus- No dad, just going down to the temple and hang out with the guys, we may go fishing.
joeseph- Good luck, bring a few home your mom loves fresh caught fish.
jesus- Ya sure dad.
joeseph- Those guys you hang out with are they all good guys?
jesus- Ya sure dad, they worship me, I can control them.
joeseph- You know your mom and me were hoping you would find a nice je*wish gir*lfriend.
jesus- (sarcastically) Ya sure, I'll look around.
joeseph- I know you probably heard the stories going around that your mother is a vir*gin, well it isn't easy for me either
people making fun of me, saying i'm impotent, having a devine son is hard.
jesus- Sorry dad, I'll try.
joeseph- Have a good time, don't be too late.
jesus- Ok, thanks dad. (heard under his breath. What a wan*ker).
Got to wonder if jesus ever got to sit at the right hand of his supposedly real daddy. There is no record of his having any luck or even intrest in the girls and spent most of his time with his twelve good buddies that he was very fond of, in particular the pleasent looking red headed guy.
My fariry tale is just as valid as yours and of course it cannot be proven, just like every other fairy tale.
you have to understand the time and place. you cant compare that time and place to what you know now. I suggest you read the book a Day in the Life of Jesus. It will blow your mind and help you understand things in the context of the geography, the culture and the people during the time Jesus was alive.
you being a fairy probably helps your bull sh it story along. Qu eers... the folks that gave the world AIDS
perversion: You only speak your opinion, your opinion does not eliminate the facts. AIDS is not primarily a disease associated with people who are gay. Try reading the following article and educate yourself before letting your bigotry and hate ruin your life...http://www.avert.org/aids-history-86.htm...being so hateful towards people that do no harm to you is very unhealthy and only stands to cause you to live a miserable existence. People who think the way you do are the ones who are likely to harm or cause problems for these people.
Do not rewrite history qu eers gave AIDS to the world. AIDS was developed by qu eers through qu eers and as soon as they started dying from it they couldn't wait to take as many as possible with them.
perversion: Seems to me that you are the one trying to re-write history....that website is full of actual evidence contrary to your opinion. I understand that you have chosen willfully to remain ignorant but you do not get to attempt to change facts. Your opinion has no overall effect on this issue. You are living a hateful, bigoted life with no true basis for your dislike. Attempt to educate yourself before sounding stupid.
@perversion is a crime
Nope, it wasn't ho.mose.xuality but atheism.
Most (if not all) atheists are gays.
Perhaps, but the fact is...not all gays are atheist.
To an extent we can understand a Canadian being a qu eer atheist as their self righteous in your face at itude is obvious to everyone. What cannot be understood is those few Americans that side with them. Fudge packing must be a greater draw than patriotism to qu eers.
perversion: Considering I'm the Mother of an 18 year old Atheist, it is safe to say that once again you are wrong. Your opinion can't be trusted...now run a long, the sand box is filling quickly little one!
You denied your child eternal life and call yourself a mother? You are one qu eer sicko.
perversion: Does your buybull not tell you not to judge? So you have committed a sin...enjoy the eternal hell fire you seem to like thinking we will live. As for my child, I raised her to think for herself...she had full access to a buybull, she had full access to all sorts of religious materials...most of her formative years were spent with me being christian but her Dad is pagan and we decided that we wanted the decision to be her's. She took a Comparative Religions course, is dating a Mormon and made the decision for herself. Had she decided that she wanted to go to church, I would have taken her. The decision in the end is not mine to make.
Your use of the word qu.eer is out of line and very inaccurate but I expect that from someone who uses their belief to judge other people and deny them basic human rights, so it really isn't shocking.
You might wish to look in the mirror before judging other people though..you're really not that good of a person yourself!