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 Anderson Cooper's coming out provoked the author to send a tweet that triggered some strong reaction.
July 5th, 2012
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My Take: Will there be gays in heaven? Will there be fat people?Editor's Note: Craig Gross is the pastor and founder of XXXchurch.com and is the author of seven books. He just turned 36 and is no longer a hip 20-something pastor from California. By Craig Gross, Special to CNN After Anderson Cooper came out this week, I posted a link on Twitter to a story that included this quote from Cooper: “I love and am loved.” As I said in my tweet, Cooper is one of my favorite journalists. I was honored to once be on his show. After I tweeted I got e-mails and a direct message asking the same question: "You still like him now?" I was saddened by that reaction and started thinking: What would happen if we read the Bible and, instead of highlighting certain passages, we took it all for what it is - truth. In 1 Corinthians, the Bible says don't indulge your body with food or sex: “‘Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food,’ and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is meant not for fornication but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.” My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage I deal with people who indulge their bodies with sex. I’ve done it for 10 years with XXXchurch.com, helping people caught up in porn addiction. If you indulge your body with sex via pornography, affairs, strippers or hookers, and your secrets are exposed, you will not be preaching on Sunday. Sexual sin is not tolerated in our churches. If clergy are caught in these things, they’re disqualified. What if you indulge your body with food? Well, then you can pastor some of the largest churches on the planet and have the most successful broadcasts on the religious channels and sell a lot of books. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories Same biblical passage, same sin. Why is one accepted and one rejected? Why is it that religious folks want to camp out on a few things rather then all things? Why do they believe that the gay guy goes to hell but the fat preacher who builds some of the largest churches in the world makes it to heaven? I have no problem bringing my fat friends to church; they fit right in. Our Los Angeles church has doughnuts to eat during worship service, which makes the hymns we sing sound so much better. My Take: Why many Christians focus on homosexuality I coached my son's soccer team last year. My assistant coach is a lesbian. My son became great friends with her son, and my wife and I have become good friends with his mom and her partner. We played on three teams this year with them and have spent time in each others’ homes. Could I bring them to church? Absolutely not. Most evangelical Christians don't have gay friends. We just have gay stereotypes and we base our beliefs on a few biblical passages, ignoring passages about things that people in the church really struggle with, like food and other addictions. The problem is that the church has only one answer for homosexuality: Don't be gay. Come as you are, but you'd better not be gay. But you can be fat. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter Most Christians believe you should just help your friends to not be gay when, in all honesty, only Christ can do that. I love my lesbian friends. Let’s say I share Christ with them and they accept Jesus - or maybe they already have. Where do they go to church? There is no way I would send them to an evangelical church, because not everyone would treat them the way they should be treated. But if they attend a gay church many Christians look at them as crazy. People will push you to take a stand one way or the other on homosexuality, but no one has ever asked me to take a stand when it comes to fat people. The goal shouldn’t be to change anyone's sexuality. Ultimately, I believe homosexuality gets blown way out of proportion in our churches. If we would all see gays as fellow sinners instead of “others,” there wouldn't be a need for gay outreach, because they would already be incorporated into our community based on a shared need for Christ. God loves gays and Jesus is for them. God loves the fat preacher. Homosexual activity and overeating are both sins - just like speeding, gossip, lying and cheating. I think I did all of those just today. All are forgivable in Christ and, with the leading of the Holy Spirit, can be changed. Just remember that change does not happen overnight. Have you ever seen someone lose 100 pounds overnight? The process takes time. When it comes to the Lord, it’s nothing less than a journey of sanctification. And wherever you are at on that journey, I think there should be a place for you at church. Because there’s probably one in heaven. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Craig Gross. |
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I think that all the atheists, Christians, Muslims, the straights and the gays should learn to accept and love each other.
Then we can all gang up and kill all the Scientologists.
I think we are ALL in agreement that they should be exterminated.
Why would you want to kill Scientologists? Why would you want to kill anybody just because they don't believe what you do? If you're trying to be funny, you aren't succeeding.
The only thing more disgusting than a ho mo se xual act is the ho mo se xual itself
Trolls are the most disgusting thing of all.
And there are people who feel the same way about hunting and hunters, smoking and smokers, child pageants and pageant moms, tattoos and tattooed people, and on, and on, and on ... Even tea isn't everyone's cup of tea, as the saying goes. Pretty much everyone in the world is disgusted by something that other people do, and does something that disgusts others. We're all different people. Why should your tastes rule over everyone else's?
From p. 28: (please scroll past if you have seen this before)
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adultery or fornication allowed.
And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-se-x marriages.
To wit:
From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.
As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions
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Prayer really changes things
I died and came before two gates guarded by an angel. One was festooned with gold and pearls with stairs leading up.. The other was black cast iron with stairs leading down. I saw masses of people going up or down in single file. I asked the angel, "So which way am I going?" the angel replied, "You're going up to be with Jesus." I replied, "Oh yeah? Goodie! But those folks going up with me! I recognize them from the news! They'll all murderers, rapists, child molesters and terrorists? What gives?" The angel replied, "They've been saved by declaring that Jesus is their Lord and Saviour. Of course, they had to repent and do their penance, but yes, they're among the chosen now." "So what about those folks going down the stairs?" I asked. The angel replied, "Those folks going down are gay folks, government subversives, communists, atheists, agnostics, humanists, evolutionists, pot growers, global warming alarmists, filthy 99 percenters and other various human unbelieving riffraff and useless poor folks. The kind of evil people who like to have too much fun." I replied, "Hmm, okay. But will I be put in with the regular population after the pearly gates slam shut behind me?" The angel replied, "Of course, you will all sit together on clouds with Jesus admiring God for all eternity." That was it. I ran through the iron gate screaming, "Screwthis! I'm goin' skinny dippin' in the lake of fire! Hellboy! Get those dogs on the grill and forget the ice water! I'm Hell bound!"
Luk 16:19 ¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
gee, keith, nothing more convincing that vomiting up some scriptures
Hell is enlarging itself, and those who enter it are convinced!
The purple haze hath kittens of somnambulant huckleberries.
Alas, the huckleberries!
Mormons won't be in heaven. They will be on planet Kolob. That's what they believe. Look it up.
You haven't heard the latest. The High Council of Kolob by order of His Excellency the Cosmic Celestial Emporer of all the Kolobites has declared the Mormons persona non grata on Kolob. It seems, 2600 years ago, Nephi was observed stealing a Babylonian yacht to escape the persecution of Zedakiah at the hands of King Neb. He came to America to start the Nephite tribe on a stolen yacht. A no no on Kolob.
Do you mean the planet Kobol, birthplace of humanity and home of the 12 tribes of humans and 1 tribe of cylons. The scripture tells us that any return to Kobol will carry with it a price in blood. Those Mormons are in for a shock.
SO SAY WE ALL!!!
Jake
What the frak are you talking about? 😉
There is no such thing as heaven or hell, so we should all be fine just skipping this article.
You should contact the government, I'm sure they wold be very interested in the vessel or device you used to search out every corner of our universe to verify that fact.
Its the same device I used to find that there is no Santa Clause at the North Pole or an Easter Bunny. Its quite effective when used by a rational person.
I HonestlY don't understand why people are so angry at a God that "does not exist," what if He existed, would He be an angry condemning God who wants to throw fireballs and condemnation down on humanity. I don't know a God who tried to bring the world back to Him after they had betrayed His trust and sinned. What is sin if we do wrong and we know it (Christian or not)? I don't know. Thats why when I hear about atheist not loving like Christians should, but probably wanting it for themselves, I don't understand why they can't prove to be nicer on a blog condemning Christians. Putting all of them to shame for the way they treat people. Didn't Jesus say to love your neighbor as yourself? Was Jesus wrong there (even if you don't believe He is right)? I am not perfect, but I care about fat people and gays.
Well, at least the atheists aren't gleefully anticipating the day when everyone else undergoes torture. That in itself puts the hateful Christians here completely to shame.
steve: god is omnicient. he knew people were going to betray his trust, no? so god is a manipulative sociopath who enjoys torturing people because they broke a law that knew they were going to break?
steve: get back to us when christians stop posting empty proxy threats
Deliverance:
God bless you all in the name of Jesus!
So you can post all the anti-God junk you want but you can't post scripture on salvation....on a so-called Religion blog...DISGUSTINGLY sad
What are you talking about? I've never had any problem posting Bible verses. You have to check for bad words, like everywhere else, but there isn't any ban on posting verses.
Yes we are commanded to love ALL, but we are FIRST commanded to love God, and that means WE have to obey His laws, not what man or culture or times dictate as acceptable. Telling someone who is living a life of sin that they are okay is NOT LOVE: its deception or delusion and will lead them and the deceiver to hell. Again, J, you really need to study the WHOLE word of God because it all ties in to knowledge of God. John 3:36 says the wrath of God abides on the non-believer, Revelation 21:8 list sins that will doom one to hell, and John 3:18 says non-believers are ALREADY condemned(and THAT is why John 3:17 says Jesus didn't come to condemn: they ALREADY ARE CONDEMNED...)
John 3:17-18> 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So, "love" of God means blind obedience to a book written by men?
The reason evangelicals focus on gay people is because it's SOMEONE ELSE'S sin. God forbid they look at the beam in their own eye – they might actually have to change something about THEMSELVES if they did that, and they don't WANT Christianity to actually cost them anything – even though the one they claim to follow said it should cost them EVERYTHING. They just want to sit back and fingerpoint, like Pharisees. They are a disgrace to the name of Christ.
Dear evangelicals who hate gay people:
As long as their are people in your church on their third marriage, SHUT UP.
Every culture condemns some sins/behavior to a fault and incorrectly looks the other way on other sins.
Many modern American churches look the other way at he tero sins while condemning ho mo ones.
Look at the divorce rate, p0rn viewing rates, forn ication rates and abortion rates within the church and you'll see why the church has less moral authority than the Bride of Christ should!
Repent, church....and the world will follow!
Hey Curtis! You're dodging the CNNfilters like a pro! Well done!
Did some people not read the article? God doesn't hate gays. He accepts them, but wants to change them. The people sitting here mocking Christianity are just as bad as the Christians saying gays are going to Hell. I'm an Evangelical Christian, but my church is more open to gay people. In fact many have come to God, gave them their lifestyles, and He changed them! 🙂 So I believe Christianity is true, and others that sit here and mock it are just as wrong as those who mocks gays.
Is the best way to load dead qu eers in a cart still pitchforks?
We mock christians for three reasons:
1. It is fun.
2. It is easy.
3. It is the right thing to do.
Really because you come off petty and small when you do.
Does Jesus say, specifically, that gay acts are a sin in any of the Gospels?
ishmael79
Be careful, you may eat your words!
@cq
Yes. By acknowledging the law Jesus acknowledged Leviticus 18. Also the gospels only contain four of the books of Gods word, The entire Bible is the word of God, Jesus is the word. As such all the Biblical references to the evil of ho mo se xuality are Jesus' words. There is no disagreement between Jesus and the Father or Jesus and the Old Testament or Jesus and Paul or any of the other authors of the New Testament. Jesus referenced the incredible evil at the time of Noah in one place and also referenced Sodom and the impending judgement in Luke 10 :12. As to the nature of the sin of ho mo se xuality Jesus would deal with it as he dealt with all immoral sin. Cleansing the practi tioner and admonishing them to go and sin no more.
Truth be told, to all you said in your post, I say
! A-M-E-N !
truth be told
Would that be the same "law" that gentile Christians do not observe? In Mark 7:19 Jesus declares all food Kosher, supposedly even pork and that other "abomination" shellfish, against Jewish law. It would appear then that he wasn't really a fan of continuing all of the Leviticus laws for his followers then, right?
David, there is no proof to support the existence of your god, so there is no rational reason to believe in that god. Thus when you say your god wants to change gays, the reality is that YOU want to change gays. Frankly it's not your place. And it's not within your power. It's amazing how many gays who have been 'changed' by church end up returning to the orientation that nature gave them. And they are much happier people for it.
I have no problem with people mocking your religion, because the belief you follow is unfair, inhumane and ultimately harmful. And it is entirely your own choice to believe what you do, while gays and lesbians are born with their orientation.
There are laws that stand the test of time and there are laws that were meant to be only for the nation of Israel. Even today it would be wise to avoid foods from polluted waters.
Moral laws given in Leviticus were confirmed in the New Testament. Hom o se xuality was always a criminal offense, in law ion history and in common sense.
truth be told
"There are laws that stand the test of time and there are laws that were meant to be only for the nation of Israel."
Which means there were laws that the gentile converts found too difficult to accept, so they chose to follow the original "Christianity lite" preacher, Paul, instead of any of the guys who actually heard Jesus' teaching firsthand. Paul was also a Pharisee, and admits in his letters to giving his personal opinion on some things and what he was taught was Jesus' opinion on others.
Meanwhile, Jesus does say in the Gospels that divorcing your wife without the good reason of adultery is, in fact, adultery. So, why do "good Christians" still get easy divorces? Again, because they conveniently cherry pick only the sayings of Jesus that they want to follow.
All the laws of Leviticus were designed to separate the Jews from the gentiles. Gentiles had no problem with gay relations. Just look up some Greek literature of the time. Why then do you see this as being different in any way from the laws decreeing circ.umcision, Kosher food, and others in Leviticus separating what Jews could do vs what outsiders could? "Moral laws", like those of the last half of the commandments, were pretty much universal and addressed people harming others. Consensual gay relations harm nobody, which is why your argument holds no water at all.
Also, I would have thought this would make others here finally see who real and true Christ followers are....love all, accept all! That is what the author communicated here! It seems like a lot must not have read what he said! He said what most non Christ followers are saying,.... Why cannot a Christ follower just love others without judgement. Because that is what they say God does! Why all the put downs here?
Dude, I totally agree with you.
You "accept" gays just as long as they don't do anything "gay", that about right? That's like saying that you "accept" left-handed people just as long as they always use their right hands, or tall people just as long as they stoop over.
It'd be silly, your bigotry, if it weren't so hateful.
Look, I don't hate christians. I was raised as one. But I'm also half Jewish. What I don't like is their constant attempt tp legislate their morality against the rest of us through the political and judicial systems. They've been doing it ever since their empire ended in 1870. They used to be able to murder us legally on trumped up charges of heresy, sorcery, witchcraft and even scientific inquiry! Since they no longer have secular power and can no longer kill us, they try to influence laws against us to force us to heel acording to their sense of morality and we're sick of it! They're always trying to poison our kids minds in the public schools with this creationist stuff and that intelligent design garbage. Just a sneaky backdoor way to creationism. Someday we all will be able to buy beer on Sundays and you christian folks won't be able to say squat about it. By the way. You christians think Jesus practiced the sabbath on Sunday? Nope, Jesus' sabbath was Saturday. Blame that arrogant, Jew hating pope Gregory for that momentous change to the sabbath. You christians have been celebrating the sabbath a day late for centuries! I'll bet you didn't even know it! That's right! You all rest on Sundays because of a Jew hating pope!
Wow! Finally! I wish all Christians could get this! God loves everyone, like you are, no matter what you have done. And when God is ready to change you he will. It is not the job of any Christian to,change anyone.
I am a Christian. I love all people, even gay! And I will gladly be your friend and not insist that you change. Because I have things that I mess up and don't do like I should too. If being gay kept you from getting to heaven then so would all the other things that are listed in the Bible...like over eating, lying, cheating stealing, etc....
Yes, we as Christians should stop treating others (anyone) like we are better. We are not. And we need to stop enforcing that people believe inGod and Jesus. That is between them and God or what ever they choose. God gives us the freedom to choose him or not. And I believe he is not angry at those who do not choose him... There is freedom with God.... It is our freedom to choose.
But for those of us who truly love God, we need to truly love like God loves! Without conditions! Love people for who,they are. Really, those who cannot handle others lifestyles, choices, etc., are the Christians who really are afraid! Seriously, the only thing to fear, reverentially, for followers of Christ, is Him.
Another thought, if being Gay way going to be an issue that we needed to deal with, Jesus would have spoken on that and showed us examples while he was here. So, I believe, he see all of us the same. And many Christians point out Romans chapter 1 on how God feels about gay. But they must not read chapter 2... Which says no one can accuse another of sin really because everyone is sinning in the same way. We all sin. There is no sin that we do with our bodies that is bigger than another.
Qu eers gave the world AIDS. While you are kissing qu eer butt how about some compassion for the millions of innocents qu eers have murdered with AIDS
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 Cor 6:9-13, and the reference to meats and belly has to do with food sacrificed to idols that lead a weaker Christian to sin, NOT "Gluttony..."
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
So J, you need to READ YOUR BIBLE: Jesus didn't say you get saved and continue sinning: the woman caught in adultery He told to go "and sin no more" the blind man "sin no more." The bible says specifically that we SHOULD NOT sin MORE so that more grace may abound, and the verses from 1 John specifically says IF WE ARE STILL PRACTICING SIN, WE ARE NOT going to Heaven. Period. Maybe you have heard something different but you better read what the God-inspired word says and heed it.
1 Cor 6:18-19> Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Hebrews 10:26> 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
J, even though love is the main theme of your post, it is polluted with deception. You can give them love, but if you don't give them the truth, you'll lead them straight to the portals of Hell itself!
Being gay, and loving someone of the same gender is no more wrong than being overly tall, left-handed, blonde, or albino. It's a natural state, and the only reason why the Bible condemns it is because the men who wrote it were ignorant of that fact. Gay people aren't any better than the rest of us. They lie, cheat and steal like anybody else human, but you can't honestly judge them based on their orientation, or choice to not remain celibate.
prism is a mealy mouthed little punk. he envisions god as a vindictive little punk, because it comforts him, being a vindictive little punk
Im surprised any site that is serious about delivering the news actually bothers with functionality that allows losers with nothing more important to do than write about how much they hate other people. Sadly CNN has to also mess with people to moderate this hate speech when things get out of hand who are taking away time from Geek Squad.
Pity you; physically unattractive, highly uneducated, angry, conflicted
mess, so eager to ruin anyone and everyone else's bliss.
As you cant shut up about, the end is absolutely near for us, hope you've made the best of it as I have, hypocrite.
Yep – your religion might be booshyte –
Prayer changes things:
Such a nice picture of AC. Nice smile. Now imagine him in his future condition:
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
He'll be as about attractive as the black stuff you scr.ape off your BBQ grill.
Yes Keith. Anderson Cooper is a handsome man. He is also intelligent and decent, and there is proof that he actually exists.
On the other hand, there is not a single shred of evidence to support the existence of your god, your heaven, your hell or any supernatural thing or event claimed by the bible. You are simply reciting something you were taught was true, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Your pleasure at the thought of eternal torture for people who are different than you is just a very nasty side effect of your belief. It certainly makes it clear that your religion didn't make you a decent or good person.
yet another one whose god is full of male cow manure. Not that any god is real but some are just dumber than others.
Why so much hate, Keith?
Alice, I hate that which is evil. I don't relish the fact that unless people like AC repent of their sin, they will go to the lake of fire. I'm trying to warn them so they DON'T have to go there. So why do you consider warning your fellow human being of impending destruction, hate? I'm trying to prevent him and others from making the biggest mistake anyone could ever make. Your decision to reject the Lord and His Son, Jesus Christ has eternal consequences. Once you die, your fate is sealed. There's no second chance at this.
Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
I ask you again, why is warning someone to get off the railroad tracks when a train is approaching, hate?
Keith
Nobody is arguing that folks like AC can "sin", or do things that harm others, but Jesus never called gay relationships a sin, did he? What Jesus did do was call every person who ever got a quickie divorce a sinner, and every person who ever married a divorced woman an adulterer. How many "good Christians" are guilty of doing that?
Cq, I have no clue what Bible you get your info from. I will simply refer you to my posts on pages 28, 29 of this story-I refuse to engage someone as clueless as you in dialougue. Good day.
keith: jeebus is waiting for you. get on your knees and open your mouth for the coming of the lord
keith: you are an arrogant fool. you blather on EMPTY proxy threats of hell. you are nothing but a circus geek biting off chickens heads. bark again, little doggie
Keith is delusional. He thinks Obama is not a citizen of the US, that the birth certificate was faked, and that Obama is Muslim.
keith is a punk who likely wets himself with glee at the thought of unrepetent sinners burning forever
Keith
I think we should be asking what Bible you are reading, because there are no passages in the actual Bible where Jesus himself says anything about gays specifically. I'm not asking about the Old Testament, or Paul, but something from the red print of the Gospels indicating Jesus' words.
Below is a good video on this topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z4iaUFSkME
... looks like i dodged them all,.. yep Paganism is the answer,... unless of course you think the answer is different because that OK too after all hes not one way to divinity but all its not what you believe but that you believe,.. or for an atheist that you think for your selves, what ever works for you