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Islamic sect has appealing message for U.S. politicians but has global enemies
Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, the leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, presides over a sermon to his followers in suburban Washington, D.C.
July 7th, 2012
01:00 AM ET

Islamic sect has appealing message for U.S. politicians but has global enemies

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – You’ve almost certainly never heard of him, but Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad drew some serious star power at a recent Capitol Hill reception in his honor.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Republican Sen. John Cornyn were among the many lawmakers who showed up to meet Ahmad, a Muslim leader who was in town last week on a rare U.S. visit from London.

At a time when the United States is struggling with its views about Islam – as Islamists gain power in the Middle East and with ongoing concerns about Quran-citing terrorists – it’s not hard to see Ahmad’s appeal to both parties. As he said in his Capitol Hill speech, he has “love for all, hatred for none.”

It’s a sentiment that Sen. Robert Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, echoed in introducing Ahmad, praising the “leadership you have shown to tolerance and to peace.”

It’s not just Ahmad who espouses his can’t-we-all-get-along read on Islam. The 61-year-old is the spiritual leader of the global Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, whose friendliness toward the West and whose criticism of other Muslims has earned the sect allies at the highest level of the U.S government, even as it faces mortal enemies in other parts of the world.

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Unlike most Muslims, Ahmadis believe that the 19th century founder of their sect was the metaphorical Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

It’s because of that belief that Sunni and Shiite Muslims do not regard Ahmadis as true Muslims. The rift has provoked Egypt to charge Ahmadis with blasphemy, Saudi Arabia to deport them and Pakistan to pass a law that designates Ahmadis as non-Muslims.

Persecuted abroad

On a sweltering recent Friday, a long line of people sat patiently in a mosque on the outskirts of Silver Spring, Maryland, just outside Washington. Despite the heat and humidity, they seemed happy to be there, waiting for a chance to meet the leader of their faith.

Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, who leads an international Ahmadi community is the sect’s fifth Khalifa, or leader. The group claims tens of millions of followers around the world, but outside experts say the number is smaller, in the millions.

For Ahmad and his followers, their relatively small sect is the real face of Islam, which has more than a billion followers around the world.

“It is time that we, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, should give the real and true picture of Islam,” Ahmad said in an interview inside the Silver Spring mosque. “I will always be talking about peace. That peace is not from myself or some new teaching but it is the true, real teaching which I gather and get from the holy Quran.”

That emphasis, says Ahsanullah Zafar, the leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA, is rooted in a belief that the only jihad worth practicing is against one’s own self – a jihad of self-improvement. The word jihad is often translated as struggle or war.

“Even more important than prayer, which we talk about a lot, is how you behave as a human being,” Zafar said. “It is not physical fighting that accomplishes anything. It is dialogue and the progressivism that leads somewhere.”

Founded in 1889, the Ahmadiyya Muslim sect is the only Islamic group that believes that a second prophet has come, in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Ahmad lived at a time of great religious upheaval, said Akbar Ahmed, chair of Islamic Studies at American University.

“In India, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said that he has the message of the renewal of Islam,” Ahmed said. “Slowly it began to build momentum - it is a kind of spirited, modern version of Islam.”

Ahmed characterized the makeup of the Ahmadis as “very scholarly, very prominent leaders in Pakistan.”

But when the Jamaat-e-Islami, an Islamist political party in Pakistan, began to push the country to a more orthodox view of Islam in the 1970s, the Ahmadis were cast out.

Jamaat-e-Islami argued that the Ahmadis did not conform to a key tenet of Islam – the finality of the prophet Mohammed. “That is the elephant in the room for the Ahmadis,” said American University’s Ahmed. “The Ahmadis say that there are two kind of prophets. One is the lawgiver. Then there are messengers who come with a message and not necessarily a new book.”

In light of the crackdown, many Ahmadis began to leave Pakistan, some as religious refugees. Large numbers of Ahmadis now live in Germany, England, Ghana, Canada and the United States, where the Ahmadis claim tens of thousands of followers.

But persecution persists.

In 2010, almost 100 people were killed when two Ahmadi mosques in Lahore, Pakistan, were attacked by men armed with hand grenades and AK-47s.

In the U.S. government’s 2012 International Religious Freedom Report, the plight of Pakistan’s Ahmadis was front and center.

“Among Pakistan‘s religious minorities, Ahmadis are subject to the most severe legal restrictions and officially sanctioned discrimination,” reads the report. The same report outlined violence against Ahmadis in Indonesia, where it said that at least 50 Ahmadiyya mosques have been vandalized.

A unique view of Islam

Harsh treatment in various corners of the world has instilled a deep Ahmadi appreciation for life in the United States.

“In America, all these small Muslim communities are flourishing, they love being in America,” said Ahmed. “They are 100% Muslim and they are 100% American.”

Ahmad, the Ahmadis’ current leader, was in the United States for the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s annual convention, which drew 10,000 to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, last week.

“Wherever I go I have one goal … to meet my people,” Ahmad said.

But he was also here to meet politicians and journalists. For the Ahmadis, the scrutiny of American Muslims in the decade since 9/11 has been treated as an opportunity to discuss beliefs and answer questions.

Many in the community came out in favor of Rep. Peter King’s, R-New York, insistence last year on holding congressional hearings on radicalization within American Islam, even as other Muslim groups blasted the hearings as anti-Muslim.

“If the government thinks that congressional hearings will improve homeland security and help expose those exploiting Islam, I assure full cooperation. I, too, aspire to have a more secure America,” wrote Kashif N. Chaudhry, the director of an Ahmadi youth program in the United States, in a New York Times letter to the editor.

Chaudhry was hardly the only Ahmadi Muslim to speak up.

“You need to be with other people, you need to talk about your ideas and in that conversation and discussion, new things arise,” said Zafar. “It is like throwing the seed and putting water on it, you need the seed and you need the water for it to sprout.”

“We need to come together with the people around us in the United States, we need to do that and see how it flowers,” he continued.

The split between the Ahmadis and other Islamic sects is also apparent in how Ahmad, the sect’s leader, talks about extremists.

“Nowadays, Islam is being targeted only because of so-called Muslim groups who claim themselves to be Muslims but are not following the true teachings of Islam,” Ahmad said, speaking of what he calls “fundamentalists Muslims.” “If it is that Islam that is being portrayed by those orthodox Muslims, then I don’t think there is any chance in spreading Islam.”

Using terms like “so-called Muslims,” to refer to some outsiders has not endeared Ahmadis to other Muslims. Leading Sunni and Shiite groups are reluctant to even talk about the Ahmadis.

CNN contacted the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America, two major Muslim groups, and neither responded to requests for comment.

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A future in America

Zafar, the leader of the Ahmadis in the United States, said his sect is looking to grow.

The group has an organized media operation and operates three 24/7 satellite-television channels under the name Muslim Television Ahmadiyya International.

The initial purpose of the channels was to broadcast the sermons of the Khalifa, but it also provides other programs in different languages. The Silver Spring mosque is surrounded by large satellite dishes that beam the shows around the world.

In addition to satellite television, the Ahmadis run Islam International Publications, a publishing outfit.

Many Ahmadis are concerned about the version of Islam being portrayed in the media, which they say is too focused on the radical elements of Islam and not focused enough on peaceful Muslims.

“Right now there is a caricature of Islam,” said Zafar. “The biggest challenge I believe in the United States is for Muslims to get out of that image of extremist behaviors which are so popular in the press.”

Ahmed of American University sees the future of the Ahmadis as a bridge between Islam and the West.

“On the American side, they [the Ahmadis] are acting as a positive bridge to Islam and the Americans need that right now,” he said. “And then for Muslims, if they do link up and join mainstream Muslims, they are able to give Islam a link to the world and also help them work out these polemics that are tearing the world apart.”

For now, Ahmadis are stuck in between those two worlds.

Editor's note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Ahmadi Muslims believe their founder was the Second Coming of the Prophet Mohammed. They believe he was the metaphorical Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Islam

soundoff (1,074 Responses)
  1. Bob Rozer

    Islam is cancer. Obama is muslim. Therefore Obama is cancer.

    http://WWW.SLEDGEREPORT.COM

    July 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
  2. Ahmadi Muslim

    Great article! well written. Thanks

    July 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  3. My

    Islam excels all other faiths in the demonstration it provides of patience, rejecting evil and noble conduct. It
    would be foolish, unfortunate and wrong for Muslims to abandon this example. May God bring these ignorant maulavis
    back to the right path. They have misled the populace into believing that the keys to Paradise lie in beliefs that are oppressive, cruel and completely immoral. Can it be a good deed to shoot a complete stranger, intending to kill him while he is absorbed in thought? Is this religiousness? If these are acts of any virtue then animals are more virtuous than human beings....
    Glory be to God! How truly inspired by the spirit of the Prophets and the righteous were those who behaved like humble, weak babies when commanded in Mecca not to resist evil even if they were cut to pieces, acting as if their hands and
    arms possessed no strength. Some of them were killed in the following manner: two camels were made to stand close to each
    other, while each of the victim’s legs were tied to the camels. Then, the camels were made to run in opposite directions. The victims were immediately torn apart just as a carrot or radish is split open.
    Unfortunately, the Muslims—and the maulavis in particular—ignore all these events and think of the whole world as their prey... They know nothing about compassion for humanity. According to them, it is an act of Islamic virtue to fire a pistol or gun at an innocent person. Where are those who will act like the Companions (ra) of the Holy Prophet (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and remain patient while suffering torture?...
    Can a religion be from God if it teaches that you can enter Paradise by killing His blameless and innocent creatures—to
    whom you have not even delivered the message? Is it not a shameful that a complete stranger should be unjustly killed
    while occupied in his daily affairs, thus widowing his wife, making his children orphans, and turning his house into a
    funeral parlour? Which hadith or verse of the Holy Qur’an authorizes such behaviour? Is there any maulavi who can
    respond? Foolish people hear the word jihad, and make it an excuse for the fulfilment of their own selfish desires. Or perhaps it is sheer madness that inclines them towards bloodshed.

    July 8, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  4. Saima

    Thank you Dan for meeting Khalifa of Islam, His Holiness Mirza Masroor Ahmad and for a well written article. To learn more about Islam and Ahmadiyyat, please visit http://www.alislam.org

    July 8, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • The Real Talk

      His "holiness"? Are you kidding? Lol

      July 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  5. F. Hussain

    Well written article. Sad to see that majority of the comments are not about even the article itself but to just spew out hate and how religion is the enemy. Love for all, hatred for none- a principle we ALL, no matter what we are, can live by.

    July 8, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  6. All

    Oh people of the world, let us not genralise the actions of people who claim to be Muslims to be Islam. Just as they have a twisted interpretation of Islam does not mean that all of their co-religionist share those views too. Islam means peace and submission to the will of Allah. And what is the will of Allah: Peace to all of his creation together with the environment that provide us sustenance. Suicide bombing violates this principle and it kills the innocent, pollutes and detroys the environment. Acts of terrorism violates the principle coexisting with our fellow man. Let me end by parahrasing what our beloved Prophet said who a Muslim is: A muslim is he in whose hands other people are safed. Hopefully, my words should help convince you who a Muslim is. Waseem Kasim – Ghana

    July 8, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • TR6

      “The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!” (Sahih Muslim book 41, no. 6985);

      July 8, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  7. 007isalive

    See everyone how these cunning people are giving their newborn belief a christianity touch! how the christianity or christians are involved in this particular religious conflicts between ahmadis and Muslims.
    They fled out of Pakistan with no good intentions,when they started leaving Pakistan , few people knew who were qadyanis or ahmadis, because they were preaching their belief secretly.and had to face little danger.Now they are involving american politics to baptize their newborn. They sure want to creat insurgency in Pakistan, so beware dear muslims of Pakistan.

    July 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • The Real Talk

      Well said 007

      July 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  8. Phil in Oregon

    Christianity is all about love. Jesus distilled the hundreds of Commandments in the Old Testament into 3 or 4, all beginning with the word 'Love'. The god of Islam obviously can't handle a few unbelievers, because they think they have to get rid of them.

    July 8, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Commenter

      If I had a dollar for every statement by "true" Christians saying that Mormonism, or Catholicism or any other sect that they don't agree with, needs to be gotten rid of - I'd have quite a little stash by now.

      July 8, 2012 at 11:22 am |
  9. Ahmadi Muslim

    Muslims claim to love Jesus, the Messiah, as much as Christians do, and his person is a common property of Christians and Muslims...Millions of people from various faith are living in peace in this beautiful country and are allowed practice their faith. ...Long live the USA.

    July 8, 2012 at 11:05 am |
  10. Sara ahmad

    This report is SO detailed and you clarified everything

    July 8, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  11. Reality

    The Prophets and the Priests

    The Prophets, too, among us come to teach,

    Are one with those who from the pulpit preach;

    They pray, and slay, and pass away, and yet

    Our ills are as the pebbles on the beach.

    Islam does not have a monopoly on truth:"

    Al-Ma'arri 973 -1058 CE

    July 8, 2012 at 10:51 am |
  12. Mohammad Khan

    Mr. Ahmed might call the issue of finality of prophethood a elephant room but you wont find an Ahmadi who isnt willing to explain if asked to defend our view on it, especially with the Qur'an and ahadith and we're not adverse to poking holes on the mainstream belief if someone wants to troll us on the issue. The only reason the issue is an "elephant in the room" is because in many Muslim countries, if we try to defend it, we're arrested or killed.

    July 8, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • 007isalive

      Because you are munafiqeen, and munafiqeen are more dangerous for Islam than the christians and jews. You are selling your products all over the world without disclosing its deadly side effects on the labels.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:57 am |
  13. The Real Talk

    I love that none of my direct questions are directly answered by these ahmadi cult people. Instead you just say you're the truth. Your motto is that catch phrase because all you're trying to do is get people to like you. Attend a REAL Muslim seminar.
    I'd love to have a debate between real islamic scholars and this cult leader. Isn't it true you dot even have any imams at your cult center? Just a chapter president with no spiritual qualifications? Do u even know what an alim is? Do they ahmadi cult even have a hafiz among this tribe? I can answer this because it's no, all around. I know plenty of ahmadis. Nice people, but don't act like the truth.

    July 8, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Commenter

      "Nice people,"
      - Good.

      "but don't act like the truth."
      - There is no evidence that you know any more supernatural "truth" than they do.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:45 am |
  14. Polergiest

    Also you can't blame Mohammed for 9/11. Mohammed did not tell the United States to train Osama Bin Laden.

    July 8, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • Reality

      As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Polergiest

      As our bombs and drones still kill civilians in the region.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • TR6

      “Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]…until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.”(Surah 9:27)

      Fight those who do not believe in allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what allah and his messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the book [christians and jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. (9:29)

      July 8, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
  15. Reality

    Some additional facts:

    Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

    This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

    And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

    Current crises:

    The Sunni-Shiite, global blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder

    July 8, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Polergiest

      There wouldn't be a Sunni-Shiite conflict if it wasn't for the US suddenly destabilizing Iraq with no clue how to fix it afterwards. Why don't you include all the non-militant Muslims that were killed. Imagine instead of a plane hitting a building killing 3,000 civilians, that you lost 105,000 to collateral damage as another country drags columns of tanks and pelts your cities with "smart" bombs that occasionally vaporize innocent civilians.

      When actions like that are taken, all they ensure is that you raise another generation that has reason to keep the hatred alive. The fact that the west keeps trying to influence the "balance of power" in that region is winning it no friends either.

      July 8, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • 007isalive

      From which mental hospital you ran away! you should have spent some more time in there, man! your comments clearly indicates you are an atheist. If you are a gay you better seek help from Gaybama,he has a scheme for you. Do you believe in you parents?

      July 8, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • Reality

      Our War on Terror and Aggression:

      An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

      The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent and Not So Recent Body Count

      As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) – Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

      Continued below:

      Other elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:

      -Operation Iraqi Freedom- The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles as of 09/15/2011/, 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      – Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed mostly due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror,

      – Sa-dd-am, his sons and major he-nchmen have been deleted. Sa-dd-am's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes. Kuwait was saved.

      – Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we were in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

      – North Korea is still u-ncivil but is contained.

      – Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

      – The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. And unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “squ-are one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

      – – Fa-na–tical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

      – Timothy McVeigh was exe-cuted. Terry Nichols escaped the death penalty twice because of deadlocked juries. He was sentenced to 161 consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole,[3][7] and is incarcerated in ADX Florence, a super maximum security prison near Florence, Colorado. He shares a cellblock that is commonly referred to as "Bombers Row" with Ramzi Yousef and Ted Kaczynski

      – Eric Ru-dolph is spending three life terms in pri-son with no par-ole.

      – Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

      – Islamic Sudan, Dar-fur and So-malia are still terror hot spots.

      – The terror and tor-ture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Ra-dovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war – charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

      The capture of Ratko Mladić: (Serbian Cyrillic: Ратко Младић, pronounced [râtkɔ mlǎːditɕ], born 12 March 1943[1][2]) is an accused war criminal and a former Bosnian Serb military leader. On May 31, 2011, Mladić was extradited to The Hague, where he was processed at the detention center that holds suspects for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[3] His trial began on 3 June 2011.

      – the bloody terror brought about by the Ja-panese, Na-zis and Co-mmunists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

      – Bin Laden was executed for crimes against humanity on May 1, 2011

      – Ditto for Anwar al-Awlaki on September 30, 2011

      July 8, 2012 at 10:26 am |
  16. 007isalive

    @ RAVI K
    by the way what brings you in this purely religious matter of ours, has any muslim ask you whether untouchables or Harijans are hindus or not.?go away and start worshipping snakes, cows, monkeys and elephants. by the way from which janam are you going through.

    July 8, 2012 at 8:23 am |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    July 8, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Jesus

      ~Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!. ..

      July 9, 2012 at 10:19 am |
  18. omar

    "I regard religion as a childish toy, and the only sin is ignorance"

    July 8, 2012 at 7:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I'm glad you admitted to being ignorant.

      July 8, 2012 at 7:38 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

      I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created state of bliss called heaven.

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary.

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      (references used are available for the asking )

      July 8, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • .....

      Repeat Bull sh it alert

      July 8, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • HeavenSent

      America was founded on God's wisdom. All haters of God (Jesus Christ, God in the flesh) are enemies of the USA.

      July 8, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Reality

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospels being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European, white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher man would like or dislike, bless or curse, do or not do?

      July 8, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      What you believe reality is beyond horrific.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      first of Jesus was a witch 1+12= a covenant of 13
      second hes not dead he was ruptured like Mithras, Horus, and Enoch before him

      July 8, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      He walked on water, and we all know that if it floats, he weighs the same as a duck. And if he weighs the same as a duck, he's made of wood, then of course, he's a witch.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      the only question i have can i be the one to bond his hands put a nail in his heart, head and throat then light him on fire,...yeah witch burning,...

      July 8, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    July 8, 2012 at 7:18 am |
  20. Reality

    From p. 12:

    "They all err—Moslems, Jews,
    Christians, and Zoroastrians:
    Humanity follows two world-wide sects:
    One, man intelligent without religion,
    The second, religious without intellect"

    Al-Ma'arri
    AD 973 -AD 1058 /

    July 8, 2012 at 7:15 am |
    • .....

      bull sh it above

      July 8, 2012 at 7:18 am |
    • Reality

      For those who are "reading challenged" a PowerPoint slide for your refrigerator door:

      SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
      THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11.

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
      THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      July 8, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • omar

      al -Maari quote is AWESOME

      July 8, 2012 at 7:27 am |
    • .....

      should have said bull sh it below as well

      July 8, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • HeavenSent

      America was built on the wisdom of God. Haters of God (Jesus Christ, God with us in the flesh) are enemies of this country.

      July 8, 2012 at 8:28 am |
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