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Islamic sect has appealing message for U.S. politicians but has global enemies
Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, the leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, presides over a sermon to his followers in suburban Washington, D.C.
July 7th, 2012
01:00 AM ET

Islamic sect has appealing message for U.S. politicians but has global enemies

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – You’ve almost certainly never heard of him, but Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad drew some serious star power at a recent Capitol Hill reception in his honor.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Republican Sen. John Cornyn were among the many lawmakers who showed up to meet Ahmad, a Muslim leader who was in town last week on a rare U.S. visit from London.

At a time when the United States is struggling with its views about Islam – as Islamists gain power in the Middle East and with ongoing concerns about Quran-citing terrorists – it’s not hard to see Ahmad’s appeal to both parties. As he said in his Capitol Hill speech, he has “love for all, hatred for none.”

It’s a sentiment that Sen. Robert Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, echoed in introducing Ahmad, praising the “leadership you have shown to tolerance and to peace.”

It’s not just Ahmad who espouses his can’t-we-all-get-along read on Islam. The 61-year-old is the spiritual leader of the global Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, whose friendliness toward the West and whose criticism of other Muslims has earned the sect allies at the highest level of the U.S government, even as it faces mortal enemies in other parts of the world.

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Unlike most Muslims, Ahmadis believe that the 19th century founder of their sect was the metaphorical Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

It’s because of that belief that Sunni and Shiite Muslims do not regard Ahmadis as true Muslims. The rift has provoked Egypt to charge Ahmadis with blasphemy, Saudi Arabia to deport them and Pakistan to pass a law that designates Ahmadis as non-Muslims.

Persecuted abroad

On a sweltering recent Friday, a long line of people sat patiently in a mosque on the outskirts of Silver Spring, Maryland, just outside Washington. Despite the heat and humidity, they seemed happy to be there, waiting for a chance to meet the leader of their faith.

Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, who leads an international Ahmadi community is the sect’s fifth Khalifa, or leader. The group claims tens of millions of followers around the world, but outside experts say the number is smaller, in the millions.

For Ahmad and his followers, their relatively small sect is the real face of Islam, which has more than a billion followers around the world.

“It is time that we, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, should give the real and true picture of Islam,” Ahmad said in an interview inside the Silver Spring mosque. “I will always be talking about peace. That peace is not from myself or some new teaching but it is the true, real teaching which I gather and get from the holy Quran.”

That emphasis, says Ahsanullah Zafar, the leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA, is rooted in a belief that the only jihad worth practicing is against one’s own self – a jihad of self-improvement. The word jihad is often translated as struggle or war.

“Even more important than prayer, which we talk about a lot, is how you behave as a human being,” Zafar said. “It is not physical fighting that accomplishes anything. It is dialogue and the progressivism that leads somewhere.”

Founded in 1889, the Ahmadiyya Muslim sect is the only Islamic group that believes that a second prophet has come, in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Ahmad lived at a time of great religious upheaval, said Akbar Ahmed, chair of Islamic Studies at American University.

“In India, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said that he has the message of the renewal of Islam,” Ahmed said. “Slowly it began to build momentum - it is a kind of spirited, modern version of Islam.”

Ahmed characterized the makeup of the Ahmadis as “very scholarly, very prominent leaders in Pakistan.”

But when the Jamaat-e-Islami, an Islamist political party in Pakistan, began to push the country to a more orthodox view of Islam in the 1970s, the Ahmadis were cast out.

Jamaat-e-Islami argued that the Ahmadis did not conform to a key tenet of Islam – the finality of the prophet Mohammed. “That is the elephant in the room for the Ahmadis,” said American University’s Ahmed. “The Ahmadis say that there are two kind of prophets. One is the lawgiver. Then there are messengers who come with a message and not necessarily a new book.”

In light of the crackdown, many Ahmadis began to leave Pakistan, some as religious refugees. Large numbers of Ahmadis now live in Germany, England, Ghana, Canada and the United States, where the Ahmadis claim tens of thousands of followers.

But persecution persists.

In 2010, almost 100 people were killed when two Ahmadi mosques in Lahore, Pakistan, were attacked by men armed with hand grenades and AK-47s.

In the U.S. government’s 2012 International Religious Freedom Report, the plight of Pakistan’s Ahmadis was front and center.

“Among Pakistan‘s religious minorities, Ahmadis are subject to the most severe legal restrictions and officially sanctioned discrimination,” reads the report. The same report outlined violence against Ahmadis in Indonesia, where it said that at least 50 Ahmadiyya mosques have been vandalized.

A unique view of Islam

Harsh treatment in various corners of the world has instilled a deep Ahmadi appreciation for life in the United States.

“In America, all these small Muslim communities are flourishing, they love being in America,” said Ahmed. “They are 100% Muslim and they are 100% American.”

Ahmad, the Ahmadis’ current leader, was in the United States for the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s annual convention, which drew 10,000 to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, last week.

“Wherever I go I have one goal … to meet my people,” Ahmad said.

But he was also here to meet politicians and journalists. For the Ahmadis, the scrutiny of American Muslims in the decade since 9/11 has been treated as an opportunity to discuss beliefs and answer questions.

Many in the community came out in favor of Rep. Peter King’s, R-New York, insistence last year on holding congressional hearings on radicalization within American Islam, even as other Muslim groups blasted the hearings as anti-Muslim.

“If the government thinks that congressional hearings will improve homeland security and help expose those exploiting Islam, I assure full cooperation. I, too, aspire to have a more secure America,” wrote Kashif N. Chaudhry, the director of an Ahmadi youth program in the United States, in a New York Times letter to the editor.

Chaudhry was hardly the only Ahmadi Muslim to speak up.

“You need to be with other people, you need to talk about your ideas and in that conversation and discussion, new things arise,” said Zafar. “It is like throwing the seed and putting water on it, you need the seed and you need the water for it to sprout.”

“We need to come together with the people around us in the United States, we need to do that and see how it flowers,” he continued.

The split between the Ahmadis and other Islamic sects is also apparent in how Ahmad, the sect’s leader, talks about extremists.

“Nowadays, Islam is being targeted only because of so-called Muslim groups who claim themselves to be Muslims but are not following the true teachings of Islam,” Ahmad said, speaking of what he calls “fundamentalists Muslims.” “If it is that Islam that is being portrayed by those orthodox Muslims, then I don’t think there is any chance in spreading Islam.”

Using terms like “so-called Muslims,” to refer to some outsiders has not endeared Ahmadis to other Muslims. Leading Sunni and Shiite groups are reluctant to even talk about the Ahmadis.

CNN contacted the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America, two major Muslim groups, and neither responded to requests for comment.

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A future in America

Zafar, the leader of the Ahmadis in the United States, said his sect is looking to grow.

The group has an organized media operation and operates three 24/7 satellite-television channels under the name Muslim Television Ahmadiyya International.

The initial purpose of the channels was to broadcast the sermons of the Khalifa, but it also provides other programs in different languages. The Silver Spring mosque is surrounded by large satellite dishes that beam the shows around the world.

In addition to satellite television, the Ahmadis run Islam International Publications, a publishing outfit.

Many Ahmadis are concerned about the version of Islam being portrayed in the media, which they say is too focused on the radical elements of Islam and not focused enough on peaceful Muslims.

“Right now there is a caricature of Islam,” said Zafar. “The biggest challenge I believe in the United States is for Muslims to get out of that image of extremist behaviors which are so popular in the press.”

Ahmed of American University sees the future of the Ahmadis as a bridge between Islam and the West.

“On the American side, they [the Ahmadis] are acting as a positive bridge to Islam and the Americans need that right now,” he said. “And then for Muslims, if they do link up and join mainstream Muslims, they are able to give Islam a link to the world and also help them work out these polemics that are tearing the world apart.”

For now, Ahmadis are stuck in between those two worlds.

Editor's note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Ahmadi Muslims believe their founder was the Second Coming of the Prophet Mohammed. They believe he was the metaphorical Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Islam

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  1. aysha85

    Ahmadiyya Muslim community teachings are and for peace, and love in the world and among people. The way to live a life. For that you have to research and learn what are those teachings. Merely pointing out without any proof is not only cowardness but closing eyes from the facts.

    July 7, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Akim

      Why waste time doing search on the claims of any "joe blow", who would not even stand on his own claims and would contradict his own statements. They claim they were the sect of Islam, and does not believe in Islamic principals... one may watch Harry Potter for fun and enjoyment but not to believe that it has to do anything with the religion... selling the notion of peace is very easy item now-a-days, but it must stand on the truth, not on false ideology..

      July 7, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

      John 14:27

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • justice786

      For the truth about the Ahmadiyya sect, please visit the following website: http://thecult.info/

      July 7, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
  2. lol noob

    Ahmadiyyas are not muslims. this is known.

    July 7, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
  3. UK Dave & my fellow scientists

    We now take this universe back for Jesus!
    We now take this world back for Jesus!

    July 7, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • mafia don

      This is all much more awesome than I feared! 😦

      July 7, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Please start over in Andromeda.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • dumb mother

      I thought there was nothing outside America! 😦

      July 7, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      Those other countries keep messing with us there won't be.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • TR6

      What? He’s such a weakling he can’t take them back for himself?

      July 8, 2012 at 12:23 am |
  4. Akim

    "Editor's note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Ahmadi Muslims believe their founder was the Second Coming of the Prophet Mohammed. They believe he was the metaphorical Second Coming of Jesus Christ." I believe it was NOT incorrect, if you read his early version of teachings he claimed to be prophet, but after backlash from Muslims, he changed his claim and started saying "no he was the re-appearance" of Jesus (PBUH). He was confused about his claims too, because he was planted by Briton to weaken the Mulims in the sub-continent at that time. If one read his books from early stage of his false prophecy till his death, one may have to make lots of "Editor's Note"

    July 7, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Mahid

      lool another malcontent spouting babble – my freind ive read your comments you seem to pride yourself on your indepth knowledge of this blessed and humble God fearing community – why not disprove to the numerous spectators around the world just how the 'britons' as you so eloquently put it made the ahmadi founder work for them secondly what alternative do you offer to us who you follow this 'cult' ... guy thinks hes read a bit and can now form an articulate arguement – pipe down boy your still waiting for jesus to fly down from the sky and fight a monster (thats the type of islam ur offering the world ) a misinterpreted version

      July 10, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes otherwise rational adults into believing in imaginary friends.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      It also causes atheists to steal names

      July 7, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      so as you see, prayer does bad things

      July 7, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      Religious people lie because it makes them feel better about their mortality. I like to pretend I will live forever.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      HelloTom

      July 7, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

      James 5:16

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • TR6

      @HeavenSent "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

      When you think about how bad and how long this recession is, it becomes obvious that there are either very, very few (if any) righteous men. Either that or the ones we got have been slacking for years

      July 8, 2012 at 12:32 am |
  6. Ibeticetcensored

    Just a question.
    If those people had gotten here first. Instead of the Native Americans, Columbus or the Vikings (As believed)
    Do any of you believe we would have developed as the free nation we have been?
    NO don't bet on it we would be koran readin, carpet prayin, raghaid wearin, cameljokey riden, bedsheet wearin, Moooooslim zombies.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
  7. Cassarit

    CORRECTED:

    So now Israel and it's neocon trators in America are promoting their own preferred brand of Islam. This Rodney king version must be more detested in the M.E. than Israel itself. I'm sure both Shiites and Sunnis must want to kill them and they are rigt to feel that way IMHO. Don't bring me any Saudi brand of Christianity thank you!

    July 7, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • TR6

      "I'm sure both Shiites and Sunnis must want to kill them "
      Religion of Peace?

      July 8, 2012 at 12:35 am |
  8. Akim

    "Ahmadiyya " is not a sect in Islam, in-fact they have nothing to do anything with Islam. One of the fundamentals of Islam is that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last messenger of God. But they believe that this guy (their leader) somehow is a prophet who happened to be in sub-continent in mid-19th century. Sub-continent was then colonized by Briton and it is a famous saying there that the founder of this "Ahmadiyya sect" was fully supported by Briton, who was trying their best to divide Muslims to make them weak so they wont be able to fight Briton for their freedom. So, this is a gift of Briton to try to weaken the Muslim in the sub-continent. Islam itself is a tolerant religion who never endorses extremist. So, Islam does not need approval from any individual or any sects in this aspect.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Cassarit

      That makes sense.
      Thankjs for the info.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
  9. Cassarit

    Spo now Israel and it's neocon trators in America are promotinbg their own preferred brand of Ialam. This Rodney king version must be more detested in the m.e. than Israel itself. I'm sure both Shiites and Sunni8s must want to kill them and they are rigt to feel taht way IMHO. Don't bring me any brand of Crhristianity thank you!

    July 7, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Nc

      The Ahmadiyya Muslim community has no ties with and political groups and believes both religion and state should be separated. So the AMC has no ties with israel or america but rather its an independent peaceful renowned religious organization who believes in PEACE. and when someone preaches the truth they always are hated. Thats what happened to prophet Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  10. krm1007 ©™

    It appears to me that Muslims are the fastest growing segment of world society today. As others are withering away the Muslims seem to be rising again with their contributions as was the case historically when they ruled India and Europe and left behind a legacy of science, art, architecture, culinary et al. One only needs to go to Spain and India to see this. What really pleasantly surprised me was what I observed in the Middle East. A tolerant society that has come so far in a few years. Most importantly providing job and economic opportunities to all, Hindus/Indians, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Europeans, Americans, Africans, South Americans, Chinese, and Russians etc. Never have I witnessed such openness and equal opportunities unless you go back to the times of Muslim rule in India and Spain. My conclusion is that the Muslims get it. They are striving to once again take their leadership role in the world order and take this civilization to its next level of excellence. The climb to success and progress is not a linear curve but a stochastic one. Let us join in wishing our Muslim brethren well and much success in their endeavors. If we can't help them let's not pull the rug from under them.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      "pull the rug out from under them?"

      Very low tech. There's better ways.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      They abandoned their heritage when they embraced fundamentalism. You're looking through rose colored glasses. You call suicide bombers tolerant ? Such delusion. Name one Muslim country that has one important scientific advance in the the last 100 years.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Please leave the rug alone. They like to fly around on them.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Muslims are being fruitful and multiplying, while folks like Billy Gates, his wife and others ensure Christians never get born or are aborted.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      so apparently HeavenSent's god is pretty powerless

      July 7, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Colossians 1

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Mahid

      eloquently put – but any faith in its proper glory brings such advancement when exercised with love for God and humanity – why not join us and help the progression my brother ? http://www.islamforwest.org

      July 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  11. Prayer changes things

    I am a moron because I think God, if she was real, can be impersonated.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      How cute a little pretend "Prayer changes things" And just when we were thinking maybe atheists aren't totally useless.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      I like licking turtles!

      July 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      As suspected atheists are totally useless
      Proven

      July 7, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      People like to play pretend.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      Hello Tom Tom

      July 7, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      I am religious and do not care about others. That is why I call other people useless. I am a pathetic Jesus freak.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • truth be told

      An atheist isn't a person it is an abomination

      July 7, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    July 7, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes otherwise rational adults into believing in imaginary friends.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • God

      I have a plan. Please stop messing around with it with your prayers.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things,
      Proven

      July 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      Prayer causes loser atheists to steal names and impersonate God

      July 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • superhit

      Please don't call that Islam. It is a false religion, derivation of Islam. Certainly, the politicians are fooled by do good words. One can easily compose these appealing messages and be adored by. Read true Islam, whose message is no different to do good and to worship one God.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      I like to pretend atheists are losers. I like turtles. I like to lick their shells!! I like shells.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      One cannot impersonate god. God is not a person. A person, by definition is not another person. God, by definition is infinite. So sad. Too bad.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      wrong, God is a person, therein is your failing, you mock what you do not know.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      To all the atheist who believe Jesus' truth to be fairy tales. Remember how many years ago this truth of His was written (just for you, the end generation).

      2 Timothy 4:3-4

      3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
      4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

      Itching ears wanting to hear what you want instead of hearing His truth of what you need.

      Fables refers to what you call fairy tales.

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      II gave you a reason why it is illogical for god to be a person. In reply I got an as'sertion with no reason.
      The moon is made of green cheese. Reason is not "mocking" unless you are a two year old.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Please explain what exactly the number of years has to do with anything. Then explain why we should as'sume Timothy has iherent authority.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bucky, read Mark 4:1-25 The Parable Of The Sower for your answer.

      July 7, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bucky,

      The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

      1 Corinthians 15:47

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
  13. Claudia, Houston, Tx

    There is no excuse for ignorance in this country because if you know and understand the lack of education in some of the most remote areas in the Middle East where people are only exposed to the indoctrination of those who want to control them. They can only come out of the darkness of hate when we do the same otherwise we are no better than they are because education has done us no good.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Kind of like the Texas Board of Education and teaching ID.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      Nah. More like the Dearborn Board of Education. How about it?

      July 7, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Claudia, the four Hidden Dynasties (called the four horns in Jesus' truth) that will precede and usher in satan as the antichrist. Educational (includes the media), Economic, Religious and Political.

      1st beast of [Revelation 13:1-10] that is ultimately controlled by the second beast of [Revelation 13:11-18]. This second beast is satan as the antichrist.

      See: Daniel 7:3 and Zechariah 1:18-21.

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
  14. Friedrich Nietzsche

    I've got a video of your girlfriend and me. Now that's a great video.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      I like turtles!

      July 7, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  15. aysha85

    Islam Ahmadiyya is the only Islamic religion in the world presenting the true teachings of Holy Quran and Pophet Muhammad saw. What are those teachings? Islam teachings respect for all other religions and prophets in the world. Islamic teachings are not merely for improving spiritual well being. It is the core of teachings with every single teaching which has logic, reasoning. It do's and don'ts covers all aspects of life for example personal hygiene, eating habits, rights of neigbours, being loyal to the country, respecting you parents, rights of women, rights of poor and the list goes on and on. It is a complete way of living a perfect life.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • amanda

      IF they are so peaceful why did they murder 3000 Americians, 1 to 2 million Armenians, Hundreds of Austarlians in Bali, also hundreds in Kenya, imprision Spanish women in harems and castrate Spanish boys to be their Eunuchs. If they are peaceful I would hate to see warlike.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
      • aysha85

        A message of peace and love which is being spread from Ahmadiyya Muslim Community around the world is there because they condem all sorts of voilence against any human being on earth no matter what race, religion or beliefs they hold. Islam is the only peaceful message which in contaray so called Muslims have forgotten and they are dipicting the wrong islam which does not have to do anything with the teachings of real peaceful religion of Islam.

        July 7, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • amanda

      IF they are a respectful religion then it is not being followed. Women are abused and mistreated under Sharia law, hardly treated like humans, ruled over by men. I would not want to live under Muslim rule ever in my life, I would rather be dead.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      the Torah (the law), the Jewish Scriptures, and the gospel of Jesus are all truth from Allah according to the Quran, and the Quran simply claims to confirm these prior Scriptures. Then Muhammad denies Moses and Jesus and writes his own book of lies to follow Allah.

      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

      John 14:6

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
  16. justice786

    The lies of the Ahmadiyya cult exposed by a former Ahmadi who reverted to Islam:
    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QFFsHGXcUI&w=640&h=360]

    July 7, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Pull My Finger

      This is by far the most important posting here on the subject of Ahmadiyya. Thank you.

      I wonder if there's an etymological relationship in Arabic between Ahmadiyya and taquiyya? How about it, Muslims? Anyone care to offer some misdirection on the question?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Mahid

      lol ah yes shahid malik the man who was kicked out of our community for beating his wife and sleeping with her sister great lad

      July 10, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  17. Topher

    If anyone has any questions about Christianity, feel free to ask ...

    July 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • question

      Why? You don't have the answers.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Topher

      Why are you pretending to be a Christian?

      July 7, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • question

      Why are you? We went through some very basic Christian doctrines that you were totally clueless about and here you are pretending again on another story. What is your point?

      July 7, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Topher

      I asked you earlier if you were born again and you neglected to answer. I have the answers to eternal life. How about you?

      July 7, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • question

      Based on your previous responses I have doubts as to your knowledge. You also neglected the question you were asked first. Do you know anything about Christianity?

      July 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Topher

      Of course I do. It's my favorite subject.

      Now answer my question.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • question

      Not until you display some basic knowledge of Christianity. Which up to now you have laid an egg on. (not to mention I already did respond in our previous conversation)

      July 7, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Topher

      So you have been born again?

      July 7, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • question

      did you read the responses on the other story?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Topher

      Yes. You claim to be a Christian. But that doesn't mean you have been born again. Why are you being so evasive?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • question

      You have proved to be untrustworthy and without knowledge. A bad combination.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • Topher

      OK, keep refusing to answer.

      So let me ask you this ... Are you good enough to go to Heaven? Are you a good person?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Topher

      Anyone else have an honest question about Christianity?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why would anyone care about your thoughts on Christianity, Tophie?

      There. That's my question.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • Topher

      That's a fair question, Tom. My answer would be that there's a lot of lies being spread about what Christianity says or believes. If you reject it, that's your choice, but at least know what you are rejecting. So I'm here to help in any way I can. Fair enough?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'm not in the slightest bit interested in reading the words of some sanctimonious holy-roller who thinks women should not be in charge of their own medical decisions and that girls who are victims of incest or r ape should be forced to endure pregnancy and childbirth and be denied the right to a legal abortion.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • Topher

      Fair enough. Then why are you talking with me?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Furthermore, Tophie, I studied religion when I was in college. I don't need help from some proselytizing twit to explain what Christianity really is.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      To get the joy out of telling you that I doubt there are many who've read your posts who think you have the brains or the education to answer anything.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Topher

      That may be. But don't you think they should decide that for themselves?

      July 7, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And now, go play with yourself, or screw your wife, or build a model plane. I'm going to go watch 'Bridesmaids'.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Topher

      How many of you have told a lie? How many over your entire life? Just take a guess at the number?

      How many times have you stolen something? (Yes, it counts if you were just a kid and it was just a candy bar.) Ever download something illegally? Take loose change off your parents' dresser? Surf around on the internet while you were being paid to work?

      If you have done these things, you are a liar and a thief. That's two of the 10 Commandments.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Topher

      Have you ever used God's name in vain? Used His name as a cuss word? Used "OM-" in a text or chat? That's called blasphemy and is very serious in God's eyes.

      How about this one? Jesus said you have heard of them of old who said you shall not commit adultery. But I say to you if you look at someone, to lust for them, you have committed adultery with them already in your heart. That's how high God's standard is. He even knows your thought life.

      That's two more Commandments. Now, if God were to judge you based on His standard, would you be innocent or guilty? And based on that, would He send you to Heaven or Hell?

      July 7, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Topher

      If you are being honest you'll have to admit your guilt. Who amongst us has not committed these things? We've only looked at 4 of the Commandments. There's 6 more to go. And if you are guilty, He'd have to send you to Hell. You broke the laws so you have to pay the fine.

      But do you know what God did for you so you wouldn't have to go there? He sent His Son, born of a virgin to live a perfect, sinless life so He could be your ransom. You see, that's what Jesus did on the cross. He paid the penalty you deserve. Think of it like a courtroom. You're found guilty and are about to be sent to prison because you can't pay the fine. But someone else comes in and says "I'll pay for him." Now the judge can let you go free and you can walk out of the courtroom. What a wonderful gift!

      Now, what you must do to receive this gift is repent (not just say you are sorry for your sins, but to turn away from them) and trust in Jesus to be whom He claimed to be. The savior. God Himself who can pay for your sins.

      Now if you do this, you will be able to know if you are saved. You will be "born again." This means God will give you a new heart with new desires. You will no longer want to do those sinful things and desire to live a life for God because of what He graciously did for us.

      July 7, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom. It's better for women to raise their children in Jesus' truth than to believe the lies of man that tell them they aren't worthy unless they focus on rising through the ranks of corporate America, leaving husband, children, family behind ... as they sell their souls to the devil, playing satan's games, jumping through evil hoops to reach for that imaginary brass ring that will forever be moved further from her grasp. The only righteous accomplishment is to love your husband and children, ensure they are raised properly in abiding in Jesus' truth (the Bible), love your family, friends and neighbors. Grow spiritually in Jesus' truth while ensuring all those around you do to ... and of course, start her own business (wink) with her free time.

      Amen.

      July 7, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
  18. Your Religion Might Be Bullshіt If...

    The Bill Maher video below is great but this one is even better!

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z4iaUFSkME&w=640&h=360]

    July 7, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      Awesome video clip. THANK YOU!!

      July 7, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • God

      Great clip. thank you.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      You must be the guy who's wife let me video us last week. Check 8tube. Very hot.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      I am on the break. That is where I am. The break. I do break. That is me. I break. Uh. Huh. Seriously. Ugh. Uh. yea.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
  19. guest

    http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com

    July 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
  20. Bill Maher Nails It

    Awesome video. Take a look.

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvDtPz33w0&w=640&h=360]

    July 7, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Bill Maher Nails It

      Thanks for posting... made me chuckle !

      Peace...

      July 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      Excellent!

      July 7, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • truth be told

      It is always good for atheists to have someone else do their thinking for them.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Friedrich Nietzsche

      http://www.mrctv.org/public/checker.aspx?v=hd6UqG6UVr

      Sure. Every time he opens his mouth he exposes himself.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Cassarit

      I've noticed that Jews love to point out inconsistencies and discrepancies in other peoples' religions. But anyone who finds anything wrong with them or theirs gets branded as a hateful bigot, an anti semite, a person with mental problems and someone who should be mocked, insulted and then ignored. The Fuhrer understood these people too well. That's why 70 years later they dig him up all the time just so they can tell him how much theyt hate him.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @truth be told

      You Said: "It is always good for atheists to have someone else do their thinking for them."

      Seems to me that the 'believers' are totally locked into belief systems from a book, doctrine, or authority figure that spell out what to think, how to think, what to do, etc...

      In other words, believers are a prime example of someone or something else doing their thinking for them.

      And I'm also curious as to... 'why' you think "It is always good, etc..." ??

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 7, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • truth be told

      @peace to all
      It is painfully apparent that you do not have a clue as to what a relationship with God is. Christ said I come that they (Christians) may have life and have life abundantly. Sorry about you.

      July 7, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @truth be told

      Hi truth...

      Well, regardless, 'you' as a 'believer' are still having your thinking/acting etc... done for you.

      Way more so than the general atheist.

      And... you still didn't answer the question as to 'why' you believe that it is good that atheists have someone else do their thinking for them...?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 7, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
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