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Unpacking report that Katie Holmes has rejoined Catholic Church
Actress Katie Holmes recently filed for divorce from actor Tom Cruise.
July 11th, 2012
06:27 PM ET

Unpacking report that Katie Holmes has rejoined Catholic Church

By Eric Marrapodi, Co-Editor, CNN's Belief Blog

(CNN) - In the blizzard of reports surrounding Tom Cruise's recent split with Katie Holmes, this one stands out: After her years married to Scientologist Cruise, Holmes is said to be rejoining the Roman Catholic Church of her youth.

A report from the Huffington Post with the decisive headline "Katie Holmes Returns to Catholic Church" has been rattling around the Internet since Monday. But the Internet newspaper cites a lone unnamed member of the church choir, who claims Holmes has registered as a parishioner of the Church of St. Francis Xavier in New York.

“Everyone is thrilled to have Katie join us,” the church member told Huffington Post reporter Naughty But Nice Rob. “She has not yet attended a service, but when she does she will be welcomed with open arms.”

“We have no comment regarding Katie Holmes in the context of reports of her becoming a parishioner of the Church St. Francis Xavier,” said Patrick Brewis, the church’s director of stewardship.

Brewis said the church has been flooded with calls and e-mails about the prospect of Holmes’ possible registration. He noted that regardless of who a parishioner or potential parishioner might be, the church doesn’t disclose that information.

“If Jane Smith or John Doe or Katie Holmes was a parishioner, we would not be sharing that information,” he said.

Holmes has likewise been mum since the recent news of her divorce, save a joint statement issued by representatives of the star couple.

"We want to keep matters affecting our family private and express our respect for each other's commitment to each of our respective beliefs and support each other's roles as parents," the statement read. It's unclear whether Holmes ever formally joined the Church of Scientology.

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The pastor of Church of St. Francis Xavier, Father Joe Costantino, told the Daily Beast he was caught off-guard when reporters started calling about Holmes' alleged membership.

“I didn’t even know who she was,” Costantino told the site. He added that if she had registered or taken Communion there recently, “It’s news to me.”

Joseph Zwilling, the spokesman for the Catholic Archdiocese of New York, couldn't confirm or deny that Holmes had joined the Church of St. Francis Xavier or any other Catholic church, saying that "if a person joined the parish, it’s done on the parish level.” Zwilling said he had not heard one way or the other from St. Francis Xavier's administrative offices.

Celebrities have bemoaned their lack of privacy when it comes to matters religious. "Next time I'm in church, please no photos," raps Kanye West in "Run this Town," a hit song he recorded with Rihanna and Jay-Z.

The Archdiocese of New York is no stranger to celebrity guests at its services, particularly at the famed St. Patrick's Cathedral, Zwilling said, but "we have not had any incidents with paparazzi or other people approaching (celebrities) at Mass. If they did they’d be asked to leave."

"Anyone who comes to Mass would be expected to follow the proper protocols," he said. "I think people understand and respect when you're in church, you don’t disturb them when they’re in a house of worship.”

Tod Tamberg, spokesman for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, was born in Hollywood and grew up going to St. Charles Catholic Church in North Hollywood. He remembered going to services with "Farrah Fawcett on one side of me, John Wayne's family on the other side of me and the Bob Hope family behind me."

Tamberg said he has had few, if any, incidents surrounding celebrities attending worship services.

"When they come through the doors of the church, people know who people are, but people are doing their own thing," he said. “I’ve never seen anyone ask for autographs over the years ... and I’ve been in position to see it a lot.”

Should Holmes decide to return to the Catholic Church, she could follow a similar script as Nicole Kidman, who was also once married to Cruise and was also raised Catholic.

Tamberg said Kidman has returned to the church since her divorce.

“Usually, what happens is, there’s still some ties to the church through your family,” he said. "My understanding with the Kidman story is, she was close to a priest her family had known their whole lives. That was helpful to her in picking up the pieces after the divorce."

Should Holmes decide to return to Catholicism, Tamberg said, it's a fairly easy process.

“You basically can pick it up where you left off,” he said, pointing to Jesus talking often in the Bible of rejoicing over wandering adherents returning to the fold.

"There’s no test you have to take. Once you’ve received the sacraments, those are a permanent mark," he said, citing the sacraments of Communion, baptism and confirmation.

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Even if a person has publicly renounced his or her faith, Tamberg said, returning would only be a matter of private counseling with a priest, though even that process is not formalized.

As the unnamed member of the Church of St. Francis Xavier and hordes of reporters wait for Holmes to attend a service in New York, they may want to consider that the parish has an online registration form that anyone can fill out.

In most parishes,  Zwilling noted, that's a form you have to fill out in person.

Brewis welcomed the attention paid to the Church of St. Francis Xavier, saying it is “striving to be a vibrant parishioner-driven community.” He added, “On the plus side, many people who hadn't heard about us and the extraordinary work we do have heard about us now.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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soundoff (1,139 Responses)
  1. augustghost

    The catholic church is going to shove a very very large collection basket in front of her

    July 12, 2012 at 5:34 am |
  2. Nomad

    She aslo s.... the dick!

    July 12, 2012 at 5:26 am |
  3. ryan andrews

    Oh, the guilt!!!!

    July 12, 2012 at 5:15 am |
  4. william wills

    Out of the Church of Scientology and into the Catholic Church--

    Ergo, out of the frying pan and into the fire.

    July 12, 2012 at 5:01 am |
  5. Mark from Middle River

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/top-gun-2-tom-cruise_n_1455185.html

    Maybe that is why she left him. Mess with a classic from most Gen X childhood's and maybe she decided that it was the last straw.

    Rest In Peace ... Goose.

    July 12, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • Really?

      Top Gun a classic? Were you 12 when you last saw it?

      Oh, navy pilots hated the F14. You can actually see how unmaneuverable it was by comparing it to the other planes. And the two-person configuration worked out poorly in practice. Underpowered too.

      July 12, 2012 at 4:03 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Next you will be telling me that Dodge Chargers painted bright orange with a Confederate Flag on the roof can not jump rivers and valleys ....

      Yep... pretty close in your age guess but are you saying that just because you consider the fighter jet not to be preferable, that you discount it as a classic?

      It does not matter if they hated it or not, it was flown by navy pilots... so it is period correct. The Pontiac Trans-Am was not the greatest car of its time. Not even the greatest sold by General Motors, but is that a factor in if Knight Rider was good or not.

      Let's try this.

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV2svk1Mjbs&w=640&h=360]

      Now, even though it was not a real Ferrari, the real model was already ten to fifthteen years old by the start of the show. Top Gun the F14s was about the same years old.

      To most, I do not think they care that much about the make and model but does it "fit" the picture or movie.

      July 12, 2012 at 4:35 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      Top Gun. Knight Rider. Miami Vice.

      Well that explains a lot.

      July 12, 2012 at 5:53 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Let me guess... Power Rangers kid? 🙂

      July 12, 2012 at 6:35 am |
  6. Erin O'Connor

    Okay, I grew up a Catholic, with an aunt who was a nun, with big huge Irish family. So normal and such a great family, I am Independent now, just don't believe all of it, but Katie is just returning to her roots because "Scientology" is so very strange. At least Catholicism is sort of mainstream in comparison, and most of all, she and her family are helping Suri to have a choice. All Catholics make their own decisions when they grow up.....I am not so sure about Tom's path. Go Katie!

    July 12, 2012 at 3:29 am |
  7. Goofy5

    I am not catholic church because I am not fan of it . I am a christian plus baptist . . . Geeeezzzzz !! I let katie and tom talking blah blah blah !!!

    July 12, 2012 at 3:19 am |
    • Badda Bing

      You're not a Catholic church? Maybe you didn't try hard enough. You might even be the Cathedral of Notre Dame one day if you really put your mind to it.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:22 am |
  8. Burbank

    Who cares anymore? ,,,Next!

    July 12, 2012 at 3:14 am |
  9. hammerofastraea

    Scientologists are the most Evil beings in existence and should be destroyed (along with Freemasons).

    July 12, 2012 at 2:37 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Always destroy .... Destroy Blacks, Destroy Whites, Destroy Jews , Destroy Atheist ....Destroy Destroy....

      Geez... all of you extremist sound the same, no matter what side you are on.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:28 am |
  10. scb

    She's hardly the only Catholic who felt the need to return to church once she became a parent. There's a strong pull toward baptism and communion. I wish her well.

    July 12, 2012 at 2:35 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      You recognize that women of all religions do that, not just Catholics, right?

      Ever ask yourself why? It's because their old indoctrination kicks in and their family enforces it, nothing else. They go back away from the church again when the kids hit a certain age. It's nothing more than a cycle of indoctrination repeating itself. It's not people becoming religious again.

      It was nothing more than her way of rejecting Tom and his beliefs.

      July 12, 2012 at 2:57 am |
    • Really???

      A woman often reevaluates their life when they become a mother. It is a time when women grow emotionally to meet the responsibility of raising a child. Sometimes people come to reevaluation by a different path.
      I took a philosophy course that gave a evenhanded assessment of all the different religions & their beliefs as well as the concept of no deity. Not being a pessimist, or a fatalist, I was pulled back to Catholicism.

      July 12, 2012 at 5:24 am |
    • open cinnamon shoe

      Speedy, did you ever ask yourself why? People who "return" to church after an absence are making a conscious choice as adults to participate in something that they obviously feel they need. Whether for themselves or their children. Dont you think that the segment of society returning to church when they have kids in order to raise their kids in the church must WANT that for their kids. Why would they want it? Is it possible they actually believe their own upbringing in the church was preferable to raising their kids without it? You and I see the answer to the question drastically different. This is a huge endorsement for the church (parents returning to church....katie is one of many) whether you can see it clearly or not. What you call weakness others call strength.

      I'm over trying to get the other point of view across. I can see the other side of the debate...I just disagree with their conclusion. The level of effort put into trying to understand why someone would choose to be religious simply isnt there from the opposing team. I'm a Christian. I must be stupid. Right?

      July 12, 2012 at 9:01 am |
  11. Dan Green

    I have a friend that who happens to be Catholic, that told me that the wine he drinks during a service is really the blood of Jesus. I said "well, it is symbolic of the blood of Jesus, correct?" He said "no, it is actually changes from wine to the actual blood that was once inside the body of Jesus", so it just proves that all religions have their weird side. No disrespect intending, but that just can't be.

    July 12, 2012 at 2:33 am |
    • Dan Green

      sorry..."intended". It'a late!

      July 12, 2012 at 2:34 am |
  12. Dan

    LOL...the evangelical atheists are out!!!

    July 12, 2012 at 2:20 am |
    • NoTheism

      well, I enjoy some good discussion, what's your excuse?

      July 12, 2012 at 2:22 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      Ah, the Fallacy of Equivocation again!

      Evangelical: "of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel especially as it is presented in the four Gospels"

      Dan equivocates to another definition of the word. Same old dishonest argumentation tricks from those morally superior Christians!

      July 12, 2012 at 2:47 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      You are right No..... Just another indication that Atheism is just another form of Faith.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:31 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      And Mark goes for the Fallacy of Equivocation too! Double play!

      Correct definition of "faith" as it relates to religion: "belief and trust in and loyalty to God"

      Does not fit atheists at all. The fallacious equivocation Mark is trying to foist on you is "something that is believed especially with strong conviction". Different definition.

      The Fallacy of Equivocation is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time). Mark just gave you another nice example.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:39 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Does not fit atheists at all."

      Awww.... poor Speedy. Sounds like you have your strong belief or better conviction on what he feels should be the only definition of Atheism.

      Sorry kid, more and more Atheism and Atheist are defining themselves as Religion and just another form of Faith. So, my apologies if it upsets you and others if we define yall as such.

      I do not see too many Atheist having much of an issues when folks define the Catholic Church.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:46 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      So now you are adding the fallacy of ad hominem to the fallacy of equivocation? Okay. Go for it.

      July 12, 2012 at 4:06 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      And a flat out lie: "more and more Atheism (sic) and Atheist (sic) are defining themselves as Religion (sic) and just another form of Faith." You can't show me any evidence of that. No atheists (not capitalized, plural demands an -s) are defining themselves as a religion (note the use of an artice and no capitalization). You made it up.

      July 12, 2012 at 4:12 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Speedy, calm down with the multiple post.... You will be ok 🙂

      That many vocal Atheist do not wish to be defined as a faith does not negate that their statements and comments are just the mirror of those of Faith. They have Faith and convections of their Beliefs that there is not a God or Gods and they preach such belief with spirit of Jerry Falwell and Rev Terry Jones of Westburo.

      A few pages back Tallulah stated:

      “If I can live with that sort of abuse, surely you can tolerate those people who mock your belief.”

      In a sad way, she is right. Since this Blog has started there have been Atheist and anti-Catholic Christians who have called and defined the Catholic church as many horrible things. Then, you and other Atheist get upset when you are defined as a Religion or just another form of Faith? Why the tears, why the crying? When others outside of the Faith defined them, was it wrong then? If the Catholics are expected to tolerate being called a den of pedos then should you not be able to tolerate being what more and more are calling Atheism today.

      The cool thing that this Blog does show is that.... again, like the Faiths....cause they are one :).... Atheism does have its different sects and all do not act and.or communicate the same way. Which is why the OP was spot on in labelling some Atheist posters as Evangelical Atheist.

      ...heck, it has a nice ring to it, does it not. 😀

      July 12, 2012 at 4:54 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      Now you are adding Proof By Assertion to your list of fallacies. And a repeat of equivocation and ad hominem. You managed to get in a good Straw Man on your "definition of Catholicism" non sequitur.

      You did not make one honest point. You copped out to layer upon layer of fallacy.

      If that's how you want to present yourself, well, you are what you are.

      July 12, 2012 at 5:46 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Speedy, do not get upset with being proven wrong. I am not out to attack you just to show you that in the end Atheist, Faithful and Agnostics all have convections of their views and beliefs.

      Should I look upon a person I am engaged in dialogue or a debate to be the judge of what is and is not a honest point. That is like asking a Atheist to validate a Faithful point or a Faithful to validate a Atheist point.

      In the end, you can declare fallacies and stand there in the center of the ring declaring that it wasn't a punch that bloodied your nose. My points are getting though and direct answers you have none. 😦

      Also, I asked a few questions that you have tried to duck. Since some Atheist and non-Catholics have this desire to label the Catholics as many negative different things... why are you losing your grip when I and others now are labeling Atheism as a new Religion? All you are saying is your opinion is that Atheist do not “fit” that all? Is that all you got? Welcome to the Belief Blog Speedy, just page after page of folks declaring their opinions to be the one and only truth. All of us, me included.

      Unless you feel it is wrong for outsiders to label other groups in ways that they do not desire to be labeled? 🙂

      >>>“You can't show me any evidence of that. “

      Are you new here? Check out the post on various articles. Many Atheist do not want the label of another form of Faith but since they can not prove that God does not exist as much as we can not prove that he or she does, you hear post after post of Faith of Non-Belief. Heck, just in the same ways you hear persons of Faith list this pastor or that priest you hear some Atheist holding up the names of Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens.

      My biggest reason to go along with the Atheism is a form of Faith is before I came to the Belief Blog I thought that all Atheist were monolithic. I found that there are so many different types of Atheist. When the before mentioned Hitchens died and the Belief Blog ran a article from a Christian friend of Hitchens there were some Atheist that lost there ever loving mind that a person of Faith could be a friend of such a defining Atheist as Hitchens. It was then that some declared it was farce but there were some that began to see that people of Faith also are not monolithic.

      It is these and other similarities that are pushing Atheism further into the Faiths camp.

      PS: By the way, I heard Atheist even have their own preachers of the Atheist Faith. 🙂
      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/13/unbelieving-preachers-get-help-to-come-out-as-open-atheists/

      July 12, 2012 at 6:35 am |
    • Speedy Gonzago

      More of the same fallacies, and quite a few red herrings.

      You are just too dishonest to continue discussion with.

      July 12, 2012 at 6:46 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Sounds like you are afraid to answer a direct question.

      The fallacy that you just committed is the failing of ..... fear and cowardice.

      One day, you will be honest with yourself, especially when you are easily defeated by someone just presenting you with a mirror.

      July 12, 2012 at 6:52 am |
  13. KMACK

    Freedom is found in Jesus Christ ALONE, he had a big problem with RELIGION, and told us so. Jesus died to free us from bondage, and his free gift of grace and salvation is available to all who believe, the answer is close at hand on your lips and in your heart. I pray that she will come to undersand the truth in his word, and trust in Christ alone for freedom and salvation. Scientology, catholicism, mormonism, jehovah's and countless other cults, are full of man made lies, and spiritual prison houses. Live free, live for Christ, he tells us how in his WORD, which will never pass away.

    July 12, 2012 at 2:17 am |
    • NoTheism

      "Live free, live for Christ" isn't that a contradiction? Yeah, I think it is...

      July 12, 2012 at 2:20 am |
    • NoTheism

      Kmack, you're only putting forth a bunch of claims with no supporting argumentation... where's Jesus' word and who interprets it correctly?

      July 12, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • KMACK

      Response to NO THEISM: Freedom is found in Christ, filling that hole in the heart that nothing in this world can fill, only his free gift of grace and love. His word is in the Bible, and understanding is sprirtually discerned by the reader through the power of the Holy Spirit whom Christ promises and sends to all believers. God's plan not mine, his words not mine.

      July 12, 2012 at 2:40 am |
    • NoTheism

      Aside from all your claims that have no basis, here's what's up..
      "God's plan not mine, his words not mine."
      WHERE IS FREEDOM IN THAT??????????
      He tells you what you should think, what you have to believe and what is right or wrong, with no justification aside from 'he says so'
      The funny thing is that none of it even proves any of it is actually real.

      July 12, 2012 at 2:44 am |
    • cole11

      idk how people can say "live free for Jesus without religion" or "jesus hated religion" thatt cannot be more far from the truth

      jesus COMMANDS the existence of ONE HOLY VISIBILE CHURCH built upon the foundation of the apostles...known as "the Way" in Acts...known as "The Catholic Church" today

      read ephesians and the rest of the bible for your faith...not stupid blogs and viral videos

      July 12, 2012 at 3:03 am |
    • Tommy123

      NoTheism, No it is not a contradiction. The Truth will set you free.

      Jesus is the Truth.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:07 am |
    • KMACK

      No Theism: Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate your comments, and I had the same questions about Freedom, and to be honest still do, when I rely on my own understanding and that is quite often, but then I always go back to his word for guidance, especially in the book of Romans where Paul describes his walk. Not trying to win any debate points here, just referring to some passages, here in Romans Chapter 7, for discernment. God bless you, and my prayer is if you have not had the chance or have in the past maybe take some time to take a look at Romans.

      Romans 7: 21-25

      21 I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. 22 I love God’s law with all my heart. 23 But there is another power[a] within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. 24 Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death? 25 Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:14 am |
    • open cinnamon shoe

      Cole, I can assure you Jesus did NOT assign the Catholic church to be his "one and only". The Roman Catholic Church has slowly adopted Paganism since the second century and continues to use it to this day. The reason all the non believers can toss garbage such as "Christianity is just a made up story that copied the Pagans" is due to the RCC. In an effort to ensure the Pagan Romans that they could be Christians without having to give up all the fun of paganism the RCC decided to align Christmas with existing pagan festivals. And they made idols against the will of God. And they run their church like a government which was against the will of God. And they made water "holy", and they chant (think hail mary), and worship Mary, and believe Jesus isnt sufficient so pennance is necessary, and....

      Read the Bible. Then see how what Jesus said in it aligns with the RCC. It simply doesnt on so many levels.

      July 12, 2012 at 9:14 am |
  14. jack

    Thank god, the Catholic church doesn't teach any nonsense like the Scientologists do. Okay mabye that business about the priest changing a piece of bread into "god"' . Okay, if you masterbate, you spend ETERNITY in hell. or if you use a condom to prevent conception or spread of HIV, OKAY, they are just as crazy, but they have nice holidays. You gotta take the good ith the luny.LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    July 12, 2012 at 1:54 am |
    • Joan Grigsby

      Sear Jack: Don't attempt tp criticise WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW! Unleavened bread is chosen for the sacrifice. Anyone who lacks information on ANY matter should shut up andlearn.It;s hard to learn with your mouth open!

      July 12, 2012 at 2:07 am |
    • Mickey1313

      Joan, typical cathloc response. Believe s as I do or shut up. Lol gotta love the hate mongers

      July 12, 2012 at 2:11 am |
    • cole11

      mickey1313...you reallly dont know any catholics do you

      i am catholic and i never ever say "believe as i do or shut up" or anything like that...

      1 Peter 3:15..."always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence"

      the guy before you was right...know what you are talking about before you try to diss it

      July 12, 2012 at 3:09 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Believe s as I do or shut up. Lol gotta love the hate mongers"

      ...Also "have Non-Belief as I do or shut up" 🙂

      Getting so these days that some of the Atheist sound like echoes of 700 club episodes on good nights and Westburo Baptist on bad ones.

      July 12, 2012 at 3:35 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Jack, the waiver and the wine are spiritual symbols to remember that Jesus died for our sins to defeat death. Satan is death, which is sin.

      July 12, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • WASP

      @HS: well from how i see it. humans are still dying thus jesus failed and is just as dead as that wooley mammoth they found on the side of a mountian.

      July 12, 2012 at 7:55 am |
    • open cinnamon shoe

      WASP: Two things. 1) How you see it is irrelevant. How I see it is also so dont feel bad. You dont have to understand or even believe in compound interest to be totally screwed by it. Compound interest exists independent of anyones beliefs. The truth of a situation is simply that, the truth. Its nice we get to live as though we are all the center of the universe but imagine that there are only 100 variations of beliefs for who is God (there are many more). Only one could be true. Some could be more true than other but only one could be TRUE. That means "how I see it" is a pretty poor way to define truth. Perhaps seeking the ONE truth would bring you better results than stopping when you find something that aligns with what you personally wish to be true. Most of us are wrong. Those that create their own God or declare themselves god of their own existence are the laziest group of self appointed intellectuals I can imagine. If you can reason as good atheists love to tell us, you should be able to agree that there is only one truth (with the possibility of certain points of view being closer to true and others less true). If there's only one truth then consider for a moment what the odds are that the point of view you adopted is the truth. How much effort did you put into you investigation? If youre pleased with your level of effort for you personally then by all means believe what you feel (not that your belief makes it true). Attempting to use logic to state there is no God will leave you with an inability to ascertain one way or the other IF YOU TRULY USE LOGIC. The lack of a finite answer should be enough for anyone who is supposedly a free thinking rational logic user to toss out either extreme pending further investigation. Sadly, its used by the self proclaimed intellectuals to prove how incredibly illogical they really are. Lack of proof is not the same as disproof.
      2) Humans are dying in the sense that we live and we die. Jesus didnt come to save us from earthly death. He came to save us from the second death which is eternal separation from Himself. Thats actually one of the clearest and easiest to understand parts of the Bible.

      I'll clue you in on a secret (that you wont believe but hopefully will one day come to acknowledge as truth): When you debate someone you should either A) Disregard their base of knowledge (the Bible in this case) as utterly worthless and make your point using any other source since you cant prove fact from fiction or B) Make an effort to understand what the opposing side uses for their base of knowledge so you can make logical arguments why its not a valid text. When you spout off crap like you did about us "still dying so Jesus must be dead as the wooly mammoth" you simply show those who took the time to read the Bible that you have put NO effort at all into reading it let alone tried to have an open mind about it. Then you begin to try and espouse your superior atheist logic. If you dont know what it says why are you mocking it? Christians arent as excited to come here and argue all day with people who claim to be superior logical beings when the supposedly logical thinkers make statements that are completely opposite of logical. Throw in a few insults along with your garbage and it turns off any desire to debate you. Why bother. You are already so smart by your own declaration that truth no longer matters...being perceived as correct matters. Christians wish very deeply that all atheists would actually know what it feels like to be touched by God. But we arent going to spend our day being attacked by you for it. I cant touch your heart...only Jesus can. When he does you will change your perception of truth, reason and logic. Until then I would do better arguing with a 10 year old kid from Louisiana about quantum physics while speaking Latin. Its a waste of time. The perception that no one is fighting back isnt indicative of weakness....it indicates you arent worth the time and effort.

      July 12, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  15. Lewis Keseberg

    She just couldn't stay away from the Jesus-meat, could she? Once you get that taste of human blood, its hard to go back. I oughtta know.

    July 12, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • HeavenSent

      You should be so lucky to comprehend Jesus' wisdom. It's never too late. All you need to do is get off your butt and pick up the King James version of the Bible and start reading. Later, you can find a study group on the net or in your area to help you understand His scriptures.

      July 12, 2012 at 7:45 am |
  16. damo12345

    I'm sorry she feels the need to exchange one lie for another.

    But I'm even more sorry that her personal tragedies have to be turned into public spectacle. It would be nice if the world would just back off and let her have a personal life without so much intrusion.

    July 12, 2012 at 1:39 am |
    • NoTheism

      so, you don't think this is a publicity stunt, uh?

      July 12, 2012 at 1:41 am |
    • HeavenSent

      damao, sad.

      July 12, 2012 at 7:45 am |
  17. Steve

    As if the Catholic Church is any better then Cruise's cult.

    July 12, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • Jenny

      LOL

      July 12, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • Diamond Dave

      Bingo!!

      July 12, 2012 at 1:58 am |
    • cole11

      your damn right it is. catholicism is the best thing thats ever happened to me

      July 12, 2012 at 3:11 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Steve, I don't agree with what the Vatican does or doesn't do. However, I have yet to meet a priest in a local parish that doesn't do his best to teach Jesus' truth. We've learned over the years that their hands are tied, but, I know if every person that attends church would read the Bible on their own and attend church with like minded individuals, they'll be just fine.

      July 12, 2012 at 7:50 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      cole11: So to say that also means you are just as much of a sicko as they are. This organization willfully covers up the se.x abuse of innocent children and harbors the people responsible.

      July 12, 2012 at 8:51 am |
  18. Ron

    SICK SICK SICK, Leave her alone, She is a wonderful person who wants to worship in her own way,

    July 12, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • NoTheism

      it's part of her job to be in the center of attention. She could've become an accountant if she wanted to be boring and ignored.

      July 12, 2012 at 1:34 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Yep and then she could waste hours on blogs and message boards like the rest of us being the only way that we can be heard with our names under the CNN and FoxNews banners.

      July 12, 2012 at 1:43 am |
  19. JL Taylor

    Live for God., not religion.

    July 12, 2012 at 1:24 am |
    • NoTheism

      which god would that be?

      July 12, 2012 at 1:33 am |
    • NoTheism

      well, I threw my bait out, waiting for a response... but I'm leaving soon.

      July 12, 2012 at 1:36 am |
    • *sigh*

      @NoTheism: Ahuitzotl, the human-eating, water-dwelling dog-monkey god of the Aztecs. Mostly 'cause that sounds a whole lot more fun that the insecure, narcissistic Jehovah.

      A close second would be Ometotchtli, the Aztec's drunken rabbit god because he'd probably be a lot of fun.

      Aztec gods are so much fun, why did the Hebrews have to make their's so lame?

      July 12, 2012 at 1:47 am |
    • tallulah13

      I like the Egyptian pantheon, and the hindu pantheon is pretty cool, because they fly around in Vimanas. I can't bet behind to monotheistic thing. One-god-fits-all is just boring.

      July 12, 2012 at 1:53 am |
    • Diamond Dave

      Hey NoTheism, here is your bait. http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/bestoftv/2012/07/12/ac-the-shot-shark-eats-fish-on-line.cnn

      July 12, 2012 at 1:59 am |
    • Joe Parker

      You mean to say "organized religion". Religion is the service and worship of a god or gods. You are always religious of you believe in a god.

      And unless you have totally invented you own religion, your god is defined by organized religion, as are things like prayer and all the other shared rituals. If you define your God as Jesus, then the vast majority of what you are doing is taught by and shaped by organized religion.

      In other worls, the "religion bad, Jesus good" thing we hear these days is fundamentally impossible. But it does admit that religion has major problems that you are trying to disassociate yourself from.

      July 12, 2012 at 2:11 am |
    • NoTheism

      Thanks Dave, but I see no sharks around here...

      July 12, 2012 at 2:13 am |
    • cole11

      copy/pasting a previous comment

      idk how people can say "live free for Jesus without religion" or "jesus hated religion" thatt cannot be more far from the truth

      jesus COMMANDS the existence of ONE HOLY VISIBILE CHURCH built upon the foundation of the apostles...known as "the Way" in Acts...known as "The Catholic Church" today

      read ephesians and the rest of the bible for your faith...not stupid blogs and viral videos

      July 12, 2012 at 3:13 am |
    • Nomad

      We are the nuts for making such a fuss over her. She is like you and me except she has a few million in her bank account. Cone on now folks, she has to wipe her a... just like you and me.

      July 12, 2012 at 5:25 am |
  20. Emitr

    I would welcome Katie Holmes with open arms, too. She is all sweetness.

    July 12, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • Mickey1313

      I'd welcome her to, to drop thto her knees, oh wait, that is what shes doing, lol

      July 12, 2012 at 2:15 am |
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