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July 17th, 2012
11:31 AM ET

Drafting Israel's ultra-Orthodox?

(CNN)–CNN's Elise Labott reports a proposed law would require Israelis ultra-Orthodox Jews to serve in the military.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Judaism • Military

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  1. My Name is Legion

    I have used so many handles today, I can't remember which posts are mine except that I am the one true jesus loving HS.
    Amen.
    You will all rot in hell with the worms and flames.
    Satan lovers.

    July 17, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom get a life. You think you are so cute with your smug posts. God will judge you harshly.

      Amen

      July 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      When I put on my diapers and act like Jesus on a cross, I will pray for you atheists.

      Amen.

      July 17, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Heaven Sent

      I can't wait for Jesus to spray his spooge all over my face

      July 17, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      phony phony phony .. you atheists (cough) I mean Tom are so stupid you can't even copy my name right.

      Amen.

      July 17, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I am a phony HS.

      July 17, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @ phony HS

      I am a phonier HS.

      July 17, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  2. HowBlackPeopleMeet.com

    Yo Playuhs and beeyotches, wanna get yo groove on? Bring dat phat a.s.s up here and let a brother slap that sh.it.

    July 17, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • ChristianMingle.com

      Mmmmmm. You are a smooth operater. I am bored with these boring paranoid insecure white boys. Let's get some Jungle Fever player...

      July 17, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      How's the schizophrenia these days...i've lost count...how many of you are there now?

      July 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Carnal! Die sinners!

      Amen

      July 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Dead Cat

      X X

      July 17, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Starving Dog

      @Dead Cat

      Hey you dead ho, I likes me some beeyotches, but a little pu.ssy would do me fine...

      July 17, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  3. Ecc. 7:17

    The law will not pass for many reasons. If it did, then the Druze would have to join as well and that will def cause more problems.

    July 17, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  4. ChristianMingle.com

    Hey baby, we are carnal and ready to have a good time. Wanna flirt with us? Call 1-800-HEAVENSENT

    July 17, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  5. Atone Deaf

    See two orthodox Jews get in a fist fight over a curling iron at saladandchips.com.

    July 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  6. john the guy not the baptist

    They aren't going to make these orthodox guys do anything against their conscience, just marcn in front of the real fighters to provide a little cover

    July 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  7. HeavenSent

    Just call me angel of the morning, jesus
    Just squeeze my t*its before you pull out, jesus

    HE is the only one that gets a freebie, the rest of you put the money on the collection plate, life is sweet.

    July 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  8. Church of Latter Day HeavenSents

    Bless you HS. You are a prophet for our time.

    Amen

    July 17, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • YOU ARE RIGHT

      HS is the celebrity troll on thsi site, without her we are nothing. I am going to hell and have chosen the FSM version with the flat beer volcano and the str*ipper factory, even though they are old, obese and haveVD, kind of reminds me of HS

      July 17, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  9. HeavenSent

    You are all carnal and unable to accept Jesus' truth due to your arrogence and pride. Humble yourself and find God by reading HIS truth, the Bible.

    Amen

    July 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      You believe that some rabble rousing carpenter is the son of God (and God himself, work that one out) with no evidence to back it up. And you call us arrogant.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Vomit patrol!

      July 17, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Also, I've read the Bible. I enjoyed some of it, but it's no Joyce.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Matthew 7:21

      Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

      Amen

      July 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Its written terablly, it has many parts plagerized from long before jeudo-christianity. It teachs hate. Christanity,of all denominstions, jewism, and islam are all 100% ficticous, and evil

      July 17, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @Mickey1313

      Ok tommy tom, keep on hating the goodness of Jesus' truth like usual. The joke is on you. Enjoy your personal worm that will feed on you for eternity! I know you are Mickey1313 and several more of these phonies.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I agree with HeavenSent. Amen.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • sam stone

      Spend a lot of time on your knees, do you HS?

      July 17, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @Sam

      I have not been able to get on my knees for 20 years. I would never be able to get back up.

      Amen

      July 17, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Church of Latter Day HeavenSents

      It is ok HS, we will be there to help you back up when you are done with us. Bless you!

      Amen

      July 17, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • sam

      It's carnal time!

      July 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Last time you guys came around, I couldn't find my teeth for a week, who hid them?

      July 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Which God??

      HeavenSpooge, what is it with your obsession with all things carnal? Are you missing something in your life, like getting la.id?

      July 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • TR6

      Like this bible verse?
      And Moses said unto them “Have ye saved all the women alive?... Now therefore Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him, but all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves” Num 31:1-2, 9-11, 14-18

      July 17, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • OTOH

      Which God??,

      Heaven Sent is just plain nuts. Plenty of people who get laid regularly can also be nuts. It's a cheap shot equating the two.

      July 17, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @OTOH
      You would nut a nutter, for shame, rot in hell, worms and flames, yada yada yada.
      Amen

      July 17, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  10. Voice of Reason

    Take the god and religion out of war and what do you have?

    July 17, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      peace...if you also remove money

      July 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      peace...if you also remove money

      Isn't money part of religion?

      July 17, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Lots of lawsuits!

      July 17, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      in our society...yes, especially after they added the lie " in god we trust" to our money.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Keep following the way of the enemy of truth, satan, and you will suffer an eternity in the flames of hell. God gave us free will to follow HIS truth. Fools!

      Amen

      July 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      A belt.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Rynomite

      Just the opinion of one atheist, but the root cause of war usually is not based in religion. My perception is that religion has often been used by the ruling class as an EXCUSE for war and as a rallying cry to enlist the mindless sheep to use as cannon fodder. The actual root cause of most wars is that the ruling classes want more land/money/power. They use the naivety of the masses for their own personal gain.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • meetotherathiests.com

      Hey baby...are you available for some fun? I love to flirt!

      July 17, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  11. christianmingle.com

    You athiest sinners are going to burn. I would NEVER date an athiest. No morals.

    July 17, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • howblackpeoplemeet.com

      @christianmingle.com

      You are a bigot! How can you be so close minded?

      July 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Is that you Heaven Sent?

      July 17, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      christianity is immoral in its most basic requirement. You allow someone else to take your just punishment. How moral is that?

      July 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @christianmingle.com

      Yup because nothing says morality like eternal torture. Your religion has blinded you troll.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      When you open your mouth, you prove your ignorance and your arrogance

      July 17, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • howblackpeoplemeet.com

      Thats right dog. Yo man, that is why I only be datin' black folk man. White people ain't got no morals see. They be bigots and close minded, not like us. Peace.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • christianmingle.com

      You athiests make me sick. I only date nice white Christian people who have good jobs and high morals and attend church regularly. I can't wait to raise a Chistian family and stay away from you!

      July 17, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @howblackpeoplemeet.com

      We're gonna get you a locksmiff for your burfday so you can lock it down, Yo!

      July 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      suspected it ...now confirmed....you are just trolling for responses and are falsely representing yourself...good one

      July 17, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • howblackpeoplemeet.com

      mingle, you is a nasty a.s.s beeotch man. Later Ho.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      @Who invited me?

      Ding ding ding, we have a winner lol

      christianmingle.com VS. howblackpeoplemeet.com – The Showdown

      July 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • sam stone

      No morals?

      Get back on your knees, beeyotch

      July 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • sam

      This is hilarious.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Cs.com, that's ok, there are many dirty christian who res willing to suck atheist di ck, I enjoy knowing that if there beliefs are right, but taking my spunk, they condem themselves to he ll. Even though I send them to heaven for a few brief moments.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • Satan

      Wana meet real humans with real morals that have nothing to do with religion?
      Go to saladandchips.com.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Which God??

      @chrstianmangle. I have a higer standard of morals than you do, toots. I don't lie, cheat and certainly don't condemn strangers to a hell by an unseen unknowable sky-fairy. Your god is a pathetic excuse for a god. Totally useless.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  12. Mickey1313

    The uo jews should not be exempt from draft. And btw it is christians ruining america, atheists are trying to undo the damage of 200 years of christian zealotism.

    July 17, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Donald1212

      So I guess you just ignore that the vast majority of our nation has been Christian all this time?

      Oy..don't you love history revisionists.

      July 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Donald
      The vast majority are ants....we are an ant colony

      July 17, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  13. Brother Maynard

    Studying a mythological book for your entire life is the definition of a wasted life.

    July 17, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      unless you live in the world of Farenheit 451

      July 17, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Cleavland Steamer

      the book itself is not mythological, only it's contents

      July 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Farenheit 451

      Fabulous movie too!

      July 17, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  14. William Demuth

    Religions zealots are the ROOT of the problem.

    Draft them and let them fight and die.

    Once a million or so are dead, perhaps more rational minds might prevail

    July 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  15. Reality

    Dear Ultra- Orthodox Jews Everywhere,

    origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

    New Torah For Modern Minds

    “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

    The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

    prob•a•bly

    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    July 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  16. zacharye

    I dont think they make yamaka helmets.

    July 17, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
  17. David Moore @ Veterans United

    This issue is very relevant to Israel's security. They are surrounded by predominately Muslim countries that do not hold Israel in high esteem and there are daily tension from the Palestinians as well.

    But it's a balance between culture and security. Can Israel maintain its security if a major portion of its heritage is forced to make sacrifices?

    July 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  18. john the guy not the baptist

    Ranier the cheif proselytizer of christ, do you get a com*mission for every person that buys into your christ delusion. Believe in what you want, but refrain from telling everyone that believes in a different religion/delusion or escaped from believing in any deity that they are wrong and misguided. People have the right to practice the religion or no religion as they chose, as a christian you should let them alone to do so, you want that freedom to practice your religion, so do the others. Thanks.

    July 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  19. Rainer Braendlein

    They study, but don't understand – and this for about 4000 years.

    Are they stupid?

    No, they are not!

    They need a revelation of the Holy Spirit of God that they are not righteous by their descent from Abraham nor by circu-mcision nor by just possessing the law of the Torah. They don't keep the law of the Torah, but a distorted law of the Mishna, which is ridiculous.

    How to become righteous?

    Yet Abraham believed in a divine Redeemer, he only did not know his name, Jesus, but called him Lord.

    Nobody can keep the law or commandments of the Torah by natural strength. Yet, if we believe in Christ, God gives us a new nature or the Spirit, which helps us to overcome our sinful nature, which we have inherited from the degenerated Adam.

    Having a new life in Christ we fulfill the law automatically, because the giver of the law leads us and dwells in us.

    Let us pray that God may open the eyes of the Jews that they don't need a mutilation of the member, but a mutilation of their heart by faith and baptism.

    July 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Don't invest in Germany.

      July 17, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Mark

      Germans left Germany when their country got overthrown. Atheists ruined it, like they're trying to do here.

      July 17, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Mark
      How exactly are atheists ruining the country?...please be specific.

      July 17, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Mark's just another sheep...too lazy to live for himself and accept that this is the 21st century. They all need to grow up and start living in accordance to the way the world really is...time to remove the blinders.

      July 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Rynomite

      Mark, as far as I can tell, the people trying to ruin the country are the politicians who bicker and fight their partisan battles instead of coming to a compromise on important economic and social issues. Oh and btw, only one member of Congress (Pete Stark) is an acknowledged atheist. The rest of Congress bent on ruining the country.... a bunch of Xtians. Of course you will porobably only claim the ones you vote for are "real" Xtians. Cause thats kinda what yall do.

      July 17, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • K-switch

      4000 years? So 2012 AD minus 4000 years equals 33 AD?

      July 17, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Christians are out right evil. Doesn't their stones, jews are just as bad as well as muslems

      July 17, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • sam stone

      Well, well, well, if it isn't the Nazi closet queen. Be honest with us, it is the uniforms that draw you folks in, isn't it?

      July 17, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • sam stone

      Come on, Rainy, you are Christ's chief boytoy.....what is keeping you here on earth? You could have the savior tearing your rectum tonight. Just think about it...coming in the name of the lord...."ohhhh, jeebus, ohhhhhh g-g-g-godddd"

      July 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • sam stone

      Marky-mark: Get back on your knees, like a compliant little slaveboy.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • OTOH

      Mickey1313,

      While I'm glad that you are an atheist, geez, I wish that you'd spiff up your use of the English language.

      (otoh, maybe you will strike a chord with some of the more illiterate believers!?)

      July 17, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
  20. First

    First!

    July 17, 2012 at 11:49 am |
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