July 17th, 2012
11:31 AM ET

Drafting Israel's ultra-Orthodox?

(CNN)–CNN's Elise Labott reports a proposed law would require Israelis ultra-Orthodox Jews to serve in the military.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Judaism • Military

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  1. Shame on me but WOW

    1:35 WOW! (And i don't mean bible verses...)

    June 19, 2013 at 1:55 am |
    • rober

      jews or any jews must suport thier country .like happen like world war 2 . germans beat jews goes doing not stand up to defeat back. jews are coward ......... time for stand up to fight back ..

      June 20, 2013 at 6:13 am |
  2. james ainoris

    Alot of the comments above are ignorant and antisemetic.... Druze enjoy fighting in IDF because of genocide against them by christian and moslem groups throughout their history. they are safe in Israel and I hung out with them in Golan heights. Now.. as far as all haredis not wanting to serve is not true... I have many friends who are frum (observant, ultra orthodox is a silly term coined by reform jews in america) that gladly serve... Israel is a TORAH based Jewish country...not a secular democracy! We need TORAH scholars more than weapons... read you bible and see throughout Israels 4000 year history what happened when Jews forgot this... secondly, how many young men hid in college to avoid serving in wars? how many russian and ethiopian jews do not serve? how many christian and moslems living and studying in Israel dont serve? yet these points are ignored. G-d forbid if there is a war against Israel (again) all the people will help fight evil invaders! Also the Mishna is only to be understood by Jews .

    August 26, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
  3. Iqbal Khan

    Check this out folks...

    August 21, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    July 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!'

      July 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Science

      Boy the dot is back here too


      June 20, 2013 at 7:01 am |
  5. Nii

    Sam stone
    demanding "civil rights" is not a xtian virtue. We believe in executing our civic responsibilities more! Thats why we dont brand any n everything a right!

    July 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  6. William Wilberforce

    Wow all this comments generated by 14 words that mean absolutely nothing.

    July 18, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      You mean they mean nothing to you Willy.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  7. Joe from CT, not Lieberman

    Hokey Smokes! That means they would have to serve along side of and maybe take orders from Women! Or even worse – Reformed Jews!!! Those people have been known to have a glass of milk with their smoked tongue and cheese sandwiches!

    July 18, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      It's not going to happen. Too many other faiths would be affected by this and I doubt they are going to start making the Druze serve if they don't want to.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    They study, but don't understand for thousands of years. Their God visited them and they told him, he would be obsessed with a demon, they insulted Jesus, their Messiah.

    Are they stupid?

    No, they are not!

    They need a revelation of the Holy Spirit of God that they are not righteous by their descent from Abraham nor by circu-mcision nor by just possessing the law of the Torah (they don't keep the law of the Torah, but a distorted law of the Mishna, which is ridiculous).

    How to become righteous?

    Yet Abraham believed in a divine Redeemer, he only did not know his name, Jesus, but called him Lord.

    Nobody can keep the law or commandments of the Torah by natural strength. Yet, if we believe in Christ, God gives us a new nature or the Spirit, which helps us to overcome our sinful nature, which we have inherited from the degenerated Adam.

    Having a new life in Christ we fulfill the law automatically, because the giver of the law leads us and dwells in us.

    Let us pray that God may open the eyes of the Jews that they don't need a mutilation of the member, but a mutilation of their heart by faith and baptism.

    July 18, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • sam stone

      Gosh, Rainy, you are so righteous, it makes us feel priviledged to be reading your words. After all, it is the same as them coming from god's own mouth. Pompous jacka$$

      July 18, 2012 at 10:10 am |
  9. Reality

    Only for Ultra- Orthodox Jews Everywhere,

    origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

    New Torah For Modern Minds

    “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

    The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel – not one shard of pottery."


    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    July 18, 2012 at 8:26 am |
  10. Nii

    Now that is excellent! Xtians shud humble themselves? Here on this blog? Humble is not caving in to atheist beliefs! It is just recognising that you can love n respect your neighbor as yourself no matter what! In that the xtians here have a head start!

    July 18, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • sam stone

      Riiiight, Nii. And how many of these "humble" Christians want others to have fewer CIVIL RIGHTS than they have?

      July 18, 2012 at 3:24 am |
    • Mickey1313

      Sam, they would all deny a atheists the freedom from religion, because they are hypocrites

      July 18, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • WASP

      @NII: i'm pulling the "troll" card on you. wanna know the reason why? you claim to be christian however everytime you post you write "xtian(s)" so you're a fake and a fraud.
      oh and another thing you have already proven yourself to be a bigot, you claim to love your neighbor..............unless they are different from you.

      July 19, 2012 at 6:43 am |
  11. Sam Yaza

    oh now the main stream media cares the bill actually targets the Palestinian and the Druze

    yup that's great use the people you kill to kill the people you want to kill

    July 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  12. HeavenSent

    "And thy Lord sayeth "Thou shalt poop on my face after I applyeth the saran wrap."
    Hot Carl (7,8)

    July 17, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fake HS is driven by the devil. Open your empty soul with the teachings of Jesus at saladandchips.com.

      July 17, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Carnal

      You keep forgetting the carnal. I don't get hot and bothered if you don't talk dirty.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:51 am |
  13. Gen. Halftrack

    Hell yeah, draft them all. After basic training, put them on one side of a large remote island and put the Fundamentalist Islamic nut jobs on the other side of the island. Give them the Bronze/Iron Age weapons of their choice, and let them fight it out. We all know that GOD will be on the side of the winners. After the winner emerges victoriously, nuke the hell out of the survivors and rid the world of this ancient nonsense. The world will be a much better place without either group.

    July 17, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • Ace Ventura

      Alrighty then...

      July 17, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
  14. HeavenSent

    Matthew 7:21

    Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' who will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who gets on their knees for my Father who is in heaven and open their mouth for thy gift I am about to give.


    July 17, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony HS, you are fat drippings and you have invited your own personal Worm to feed on you for all eternity. Satan is death and you will know the pain of the fires of hell for not loving God and adhering to his Word which is truth and not carnal behavior for which God will never invite you to the paradise HE has made for us if believe Jesus' Truth which is written in his letter to us from heaven the Holy Bible.


      Party On

      July 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @Phony HeavenSent Phony HeavenSent
      I am also a phony HeavenSent

      July 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Only I, the real HeavenSent can spot a phony HeavenSent. You are all phonies just like all other religeons excerpt Christianity. See a pic of me and my dog, Samson, at saladandchips.com.

      July 17, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
  15. The Central Scrutinizer

    A human walks by a worm and does not notice it. Even if the human does notice it, the two have no way to communicate. In fact there is a strong possibility that IF the human notices the worm, the worm will become fish food.

    A human walks by a worm but the worm does not even recognize the human’s presence.
    Humans and worms share 98% DNA.

    In that 2% that is different, we are rendered completely alien to each other.

    Consider how this might affect other forms of life on other planets, aliens, even “God” relative to our meager faculties to perceive them.

    There could be a being right next to you, but neither of you can even perceive each other.

    Christians, humble yourself. You don't know anything, same as everybody else.


    July 17, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Foolish atheist who has deaf ears cannot hear the voice of God.


      July 17, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I agree with HeavenSent.

      July 17, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      See pics of me and my dog, at saladandchips.com.

      July 17, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Starving Dog

      This is so embarassing.

      July 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Dead Cat

      X X

      July 17, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Except, god aledgidly created man IN HIS OWN IMAGE. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and absence of evidence IS evidence of absence

      July 18, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • Heaven Sent

      delusional people hear voices others don't. amen

      July 18, 2012 at 3:29 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, you believe yourself to be having fun as you manipulate my handle the last few days writing your nonsense. Mental health professionals know your behavior to be disturbed with narcissistic, anti-social personality disorders. I'll throw in borderline personality disorder just to cover more of the bases with obsessive compulsive disorder to boot.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Central, dust to dust.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:23 am |
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