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July 18th, 2012
07:00 AM ET

Father and son join Catholic priesthood – together

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) -  The Revs. Chuck Hough IV and Chuck Hough III have more in common than just their names. The two have become a rarity in the Catholic Church - a father and son who became ordained Catholic priests at the same time.

Both men are both former Episcopal priests, each with a wife and children.

The younger Hough grew up in the Dallas-Fort Worth area with his father as a leader in the Episcopal Church and ended up following in his footsteps, joining the church when he was 25.

The elder Hough had been an Episcopal priest for 31 years before both he and his son decided in 2011 to join the Catholic Church. First they became members of the Catholic Church, then applied to join as priests through the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, a group to help Anglicans join the Catholic communion while maintaining some hallmarks of the Anglican tradition.

“We felt that something was missing for years and years,” the father said.

The uniqueness of a dad and son joining a church that requires priests to remain celibate and unmarried is not lost on the Houghs, who were formally ordained as Catholic priests June 30 at St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Catholic Church in Keller, Texas.

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“We may be the only two that have been ordained together, certainly in U.S. Catholic history,” said the 57-year old father. “The father and son priests in Catholic Church history usually have been a widower who was later followed by his son.”

The Houghs have long been advocates of a closer relationship between the Catholic and Anglican churches.

The elder Hough said he grew up in an Anglo-Catholic diocese in Dallas and raised his son in a similar vein. During their time as Episcopal priests, both men said they identified as members of the Oxford Movement - Anglicans who view their church as one of three branches of the Catholic Church.

One of the most notable theologians in this movement was John Henry Newman, a man who the Houghs said inspired them while they were Anglican priests. Newman, an Oxford professor in the 1880s, had long advocated for the unification of the Catholic and Anglican faiths. After publishing his final salvo in the Oxford Movement, Tract 90, Newman ended up converting to Catholicism and would later become a cardinal within the church.

During their Oxford Movement work, the Houghs said they began to believe that joining the Catholic Church was really what they wanted.

“I came to recognize fully that reunion from the Holy See was the pearl of great prize for us,” the elder Hough said. “It became the most important thing for us."

Both men said their conversions mark a success in the church’s goal of allowing married Episcopal priests to join the Catholic priesthood, one laid out by Pope John Paul II in 1981. In particular, the younger Hough, who is 30, sees their conversion as a model for future conversions.

“This is not a new issue for the local diocese here in Fort Worth,” he said.

But allowing married priests into the priesthood comes with specific issues that unwed Catholic priests don’t face. While all priests need health insurance, a stipend and housing, married priests require a Catholic diocese to provide these benefits for an entire family.

The younger Hough, who has two small children, said the increase in benefits wasn’t an issue for the Fort Worth Diocese.

“From the day I resigned until now and into the future, we have been fully taken care of by the Catholic Church,” he said. “Housing, health insurance, everything was provided so that we can pursue the calling.”

And in pursuit of this calling, the Houghs have become incredibly close - their relationship clear in the way they speak about each other.

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“I have come to recognize my son's terrific gifts, and I celebrate those gifts,” the father said. “This is just the frosting on the cake.”

The younger Hough said, “Like father, like son. If God gives me the grace to be like my father, I will be a blessed man.”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Anglican • Catholic Church • Christianity • Episcopal

soundoff (582 Responses)
  1. HeavenSent

    They will both burn in hell, for deserting the true form of Jesus' teachings. Read the true scripts of God at saladandchips.com.

    July 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I swear on the holy cross of Jesus and his father, God in heaven, that I am the one true HeavenSent and Oh! sh*it lightning, I better shut down, Oh! my gawd it is getting closer.........

      July 18, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • TrueBlueCatholic

      Moron, the "true HS" is a registered user with a link in his login. Good try, though

      July 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Try Again

      TrueBlueCatholic, "the "true HS" is a registered user with a link in his login"

      Nope. Don't be so easily fooled (as in other areas of your gullibility). Anyone can register that link.

      July 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      "Moron, the "true HS" is a registered user with a link in his login. Good try, though"

      HeavenSent is a she.

      July 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony Alerts All above are fake HeavenSents. Nice try Tom,tom.

      Amen.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      No, the above post is a phony HeavenSent stealing my handle. Nice try tommie to.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phoney Alert. HeavenSent above me is phoney and most likely Tom, tom and the CNN crew of atheists trying to confuse people so they will not take me seriously. Matti will not allow this.

      Amen.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      No, I am the real HeavenSent. HeavenSent above me is the real phoney and most likely Tom, tom or central scrutinizer. They are trying to confuse everyone.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      you know they have made great strides in treating schizophrenia....

      July 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Both of you are phony HeavenSents. I am the only real HeavenSent. Tommie Tom is trying stealing my handle trying to confuse everyone, so that nobody will read my posts.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fake HeavenSent alert! The other three people posting as HeavenSent are all fakes. Nice try Tommie Tom. Ignore the fake HeavenSents.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fake alert! Pay no attention to the previous seven posts bye fake HeavenSents. I am the real one and only HeavenSent.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fvck it, nevermind.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  2. Rainer Braendlein

    Popes, which were suspected to have had male lovers during pontificate:

    Pope Paul II (1464–1471) is popularly alleged to have died of a heart attack while in a se-xual act with a page.[42][43]

    Pope Sixtus IV (1471–1484) was alleged to have awarded gifts and benefices to court favourites in return for se-xual favours. Giovanni Sclafenato was created a cardinal by Sixtus IV for "ingenuousness, loyalty,...and his other gifts of soul and body",[44] according to the papal epitaph on his tomb.[45] Such claims were recorded by Stefano Infessura, in his Diarium urbis Romae.

    Pope Leo X (1513–1521) was widely thought to have had many active lovers, and alleged to have had a particular (albeit one-sided) infatuation for Marcantonio Flaminio.[46]

    Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was alleged to have had a long affair with Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte. The Venetian ambassador at that time reported that Innocenzo shared the pope's bedroom and bed.[47] According to The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, "naturally indolent, he devoted himself to pleasurable pursuits with occasional bouts of more serious activity".[30]

    July 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Rainer,

      you sure do have a fixation for men in funny hats. You might want to ask yourself why.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Who invited me?

      yes...so you've said
      The catholic church is corrupt...so are all of the others.
      Which delusion do you subscribe to? or are you afraid of the same barbed attacks being made on your church?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Rainer,

      it seems to have escaped your notice, but no one here is interested in defending the renaissance papacy – even the Catholics. The protestant reformation happened because the latin Christian church lost its way and even most Catholics understand that.

      You seem hell-bent on proving the righteousness of the protestant reformation, but you know what? Nobody cares anymore. It was 500 years ago! I love history, but people are interested in the expressions of faith (or not) in the 21st century, not the 16th.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      When all ya got is one paradigm, and that's all ya ever studied, ya gots to keep proving over and over ya know yer stuff.
      More babble verses please.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • gerald

      Oh we love gossip and inuendo. But these things are all red herrings from a Catholic perspective anyway. We know there were terrible sinners among the popes. There are at least a half a dozen of them that I believe were evil men. But they spent so much time being evil they spent no time on doctrine and dogma and changed nothing. There are no dogmatic statements put out by them. Thus they did not violate the rules of infallibility.

      July 18, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Veritas

      Rainer – "alleged" ......"popularly alleged".......'supposedly"........"reportedly"................and "could have" Doesnm't cut it.

      Proof – NOW – or Shut up! I'll wait!

      July 22, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
  3. Happy Jack

    "The uniqueness of a dad and son joining a church that requires priests to remain celibate and unmarried is not lost on the Houghs,"

    It did say they could remain married. It didn't say for sure if he had to be celibate though. If not, the other priests are gonna be jealous.

    July 18, 2012 at 11:30 am |
  4. Happy Jack

    “We felt that something was missing for years and years,” the father said.

    ...and that something is god.

    July 18, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Or a dick in his ass.

      That's what those guys are good at.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • *facepalm*

      How, exactly, is the Catholic god different than the Episcopalian god?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • I'll fist your dads butt hole

      Or Little boys...

      July 18, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  5. Rainer Braendlein

    One more historical fact (go to any library and examine my statement):

    One of the most horrible rulers of all history was Cesare Borgia, an ecclesiastical prince (Catholic bishop and worldly ruler at the same time). He commited very many murders, only in order to increase his political power and wealth, such a beast.

    Cesare Borgia even had got a father: Pope Alexander VI.

    Hence, one of the worst rulers of history beside Adolf Hitler was a Catholic, papal ba-stard. Cheers!

    July 18, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • K-switch

      That's a good show, can HBO make good TV or what?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      My puppy is named Lorenzo. Who gives a sh1t.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • Veritas

      Rainer – You are one boring old f@rt with your incessant verbal diahorrea ........Yaaaaaaaaaawn. No. Hitler SAID he was a Catholic! There's a difference. I could say my name was Rothschild – it wouldn't make me RICH!

      July 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  6. IslandAtheist

    What about the Holy Ghost? ... didn't it join?

    July 18, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • K-switch

      HA!

      July 18, 2012 at 11:19 am |
  7. HeavenSent

    I love poop.

    Amen

    July 18, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • HeavenScent

      And mine smells FINE.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    Once the very intelligent and righteous ruler of Pruzzia, Frederic the Great, Father of Enlightenment, made an inquiry about the various levels of living in the countries of Europe.

    Guess, what he figured out?

    The countries, where the ordinary people had the lowest level of living were ecclesiastical princedoms, that means countries which were ruled by Roman Catholic bishops (please notice that for a long time it was usual that Catholic bishops were also worldly rulers or princes). It is a merit of Frederic the Great that the Catholic rats got robbed of worldly rule.

    If it yet should happen, against all expectation, that the Roman Catholic Church will participate in worldly rule in the US, I can predict that they will suck the ordinary Americans. They will milk America and use the money, to increase their personal wealth and the wealth of the Vatican.

    Sorry, this is historical truth. The RCC is a beast.

    July 18, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • Who invited me?

      yea...more predictions from Rainer....Oh great prophet, what do you see
      I mean besides that the catholic church is "evil", everyone knows that.Its a no brainer, and to continue the thought...ALL organized religions are "evil"...that is more accurate,don't you think?

      July 18, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • Which God??

      'Rainey the Rabid: Trash spoken here.' All religion is false, designed to control, not liberate.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      "All organized religions are evil", you said.

      That is even right to a large extent, although you abuse that fact, in order to support your evil theory that there would be no legitimate religion at all. But I tell you there is one.

      I could tell you something about true theology, but you would rejects it as delusion.

      What you cannot reject, are righteous works, which were caused by the true faith:

      As long as Germany was under the rule of the Catholic Habsburgians (puppets of the pope), Germany had no costless public school system. At first German princes, which had converted from Catholicism to Protestantism established feeless schools for the German children.

      What about that?

      Moreover, the pope suck the whole Europe with his moronic sale of indulgences. This papal business was destroyed by our most appreciated German prophet Martin Luther, peace be upon him.

      These are historical facts, which you cannot reject.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Who invited me?

      icorrect
      There are no legitimate religions, and out of the thousands and thousands of religions that man has created for himself, you presume to have found the one legitiamte one.
      You are nothing but a religious fanatic...it is obious in your posts

      July 18, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • junior

      The year is 2012. You may elect to wear pantaloons and a ruffled collar but do not dwell in the past.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
  9. Joe from CT, not Lieberman

    While I applaud them for their heart-felt conversions and ordinations, I have to ask why Priests ordained in the Latin Rite are still not allowed to marry, even though converted Episcopalian Priests can be both married and ordained, or why Priests in the Eastern Rite Roman Catholicism can also be married and ordained. This is unfair to the majority of Latin Rite Catholics who would love to follow what they feel is a calling to the Clergy but cannot because they are married. Do they convert to the Episcopal Church, get ordained, and convert back to Catholicism?

    July 18, 2012 at 10:02 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Joe, apparently the page to 1 Timothy 4 has been torn from their Bible.

      July 18, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • HeavenSent

      The lord is my shepherd and I am the sheep. Thou shalt taketh thine sheep with the full force of the lord jesus christ. Thou shalt buyeth thine sheep dinner before said taking from behind.

      1 Timothy 4

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 11:18 am |
  10. 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

    Adults believing in imaginary beings is a mental illness and this proves mental illness runs in families.

    July 18, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • Mirosal

      Even children give up their imaginary friends, usually before they start school.

      July 18, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • what's a brony?

      Adult atheists believing in chance/random and magic proves mental illness

      July 18, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, sure, L, but adults who believe in a magic sky-fairy that snapped its fingers to make the universe appear are grounded in reality?

      Give it up.

      July 18, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • what's a brony?

      Let's see atheists think this force blew up thus creating the universe but cannot prove mankind exists by a total random accident? How about evolution? Mankind evolved from something else but cannot prove we exist by accident?

      Give it up.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      L, no one has to present 'proof'. The fact is that there is much we don't know about how the universe first came to be. That does equal proof that god did it.

      When are you going to start calling people "un logical". That's always so funny!

      July 18, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I hope your summer school remedial English/language arts classes are going well. When are you going to start using the skills you've been learning?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • what's a brony?

      TO you that leaves out the chance that a creater created us but you relay on faith.Saying "I don't know" is an excuse.Many atheists don't admit they don't know.

      Everyone has faith...You are human,you aren't above it.

      Give it up.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Only a mentally retarded believer would inlcude "random/chance" with magic...

      July 18, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • I blow my brony

      With each passing day science makes religion more and more irrelevant. With every new scientific discovery the "god does it" fairy tale gets smaller and weaker.

      Maybe you should consider joining the winning team.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • what's a brony?

      Winning team?

      That's an opinion not fact.Opinions aren't facts.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • Who invited me?

      Wow...the trolldoll learned something....opinions are not facts....good for you trolldoll....you can go out and play now, I'll call you when lunch is ready.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • what's a brony?

      So in other words,atheists got nothing but opinions?

      Atheism is weak.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually, I blow my brony, scientists have been uncovering Jesus' truth. You, however, can always complain that the glass is half empty.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • ME II

      @what's a brony?,
      "Let's see atheists think this force blew up thus creating the universe but cannot prove mankind exists by a total random accident? How about evolution? Mankind evolved from something else but cannot prove we exist by accident?"
      First, Atheism is not science and science is not Atheism.
      Second, not sure what you mean by "cannot prove we exist by accident", but evolution is not accidental nor random, due to natural selection.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "That's an opinion not fact.Opinions aren't fact"

      You dooshebags don't believe in facts anyway. You believe in a 2000 year old fairy tale. You take it on faith without s single shred of evidence (facts) to support it. While humans have not yet found the scientific explanation for the origin of the universe, science has already proven the bible wrong about countless things. It's just a matter of time before science proves everything about religion to be bunk.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • what's a brony?

      Many atheists think they own science.They think many religious hate science.

      Yet to you "logicals" you think looking at the universe as evidence of the existence of God is "stupid" and "not proof".Or looking at any field of science as evidence of God is "stupid" and "not proof".

      But to you science does that reveal God but to many believers it does.I'm not talking about "Christian science".

      So please save the drama of "I want proof".You don't want proof and that prove is here in the comments.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • ME II

      @What's a brony?,
      Well, as long as you have figured out exactly how other people think... no need for any more thinking, I guess?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • what's a brony?

      No one has figured anything out.Its who drama-filled atheists who think people have based on "claims".

      You want it proven on a plate? Go find evidence of God on your own if you desire so much.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Who invited me?

      Ok brony/trolldoll
      time for lunch
      were having proven on a plate
      you can play with your little friends later
      time to make all gone

      July 18, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • *facepalm*

      @brony,

      "I dunno. God musta done it" is an intellectually lazy and weak argument. Why do you NEED to know how the universe was created. Skeptics and atheists are fine with 'we don't know'. Your arrogance to claim to know all of the answers is astonishing.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • what's a brony?

      I said if you want proof FIND it yourself.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @brony,

      you say "atheists got nothing but opinions?"

      No one here has anything but opinions – except for 'people' like you who offer nothing but insults and trolling.

      Do you have the stones to have a discussion on what you believe, or just more trolling for reactions?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • ME II

      @What's a brony?,
      "...Its who drama-filled atheists who think people have based on 'claims'."
      Sorry, I don't understand this sentence.

      "You want it proven on a plate? Go find evidence of God on your own if you desire so much."
      Why? I see no need for a god.
      If you want to believe in one, fine, just don't expect others to live by your beliefs.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Primewonk

      Brony – there is a HUGE difference between rational theists who understand science and can differentiate between faith and fact; and you vapid fundiot nutters who puposefully choose to be ignorant. Please stop confounding them.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Brony, until *you* provide some proof that your beliefs are not delusions all *you* have are opinions. We don't tolerate unfounded opinions in other subject areas and we do no have to tolerate them when it comes to your, or anyone else's, imaginary friends.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • what's a brony?

      Than don't demand believers prove God exists.

      My bad.You wish to mock and attack people who don't believe like you do.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • ME II

      @what's a brony?,
      "Than don't demand believers prove God exists."
      I can't speak for others, but I usually don't ask for evidence until someone claims God as the reason. Then they need to provide at least some evidence for such a conclusion, otherwise it is pure speculation and/or conjecture.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • what's a brony?

      The same applies to you if you claim there is no God.

      Many atheists don't like that.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @brony,

      why are you so afraid of atheism?

      Is your faith so unsettled that any challenge makes you fear its loss?

      July 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • ME II

      @what's a brony?,
      Most Atheists, I think, are not making claims, but are instead stating that they don't believe the claims made by religion.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      That's like saying 'if you want proof of the toothfairy, FIND it yourself' It's a fool's errand.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Here's a fact for you, L/Unknown/Clown: You're an ass wipe. Fact. You prove it every time you post.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, tom with his atheist bully cap on. Drink and dance now but you will face judgement and burn, burn, burn. Play your little games but you cannot stop Matti. They tried and fialed before so shall you. Atheist would rather drive a soul into a wall than have compassion.

      Amen.

      July 18, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Follow jesus truth, or be cast into the gorge of eternal peril.

      Amen.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  11. jimmer

    They probably fvck each other.

    July 18, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Maybe when the son was younger. Priests don't like to bugger grown men, they like little boys.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Hey, phony, do you have multiple personality disorders added to your list? Just wondering?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Ignore the fake HeavenSent

      July 18, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Who invited me?

      Correction
      ignore ALL heavensents

      July 18, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "ignore ALL heavensents"

      Great idea.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Sick little atheist with little mind who can only think of perverted thoughts. No surprise but you will be on judgement day. You will burn for eternity so enjoy it.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes.

      The roof, the roof, the roof is on fiiyyaaa!

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • derp

      Burn baby burn, disco inferno

      Burning down the house!

      Muy caliente!

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  12. K-switch

    In reference to them formerly being Episcopal: “We felt that something was missing for years and years,” the father said. So it is not enough to just be Christian to feel complete, you have to be a member of a specific denomination. Imagine that, someone accepted Jesus a thier personal savior and still felt incomplete. They must have not done it right the first time.

    July 18, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Is there a right way to be delusional? Well, as long as you don't try to impose your delusions on others, maybe that's the right way to be delusional.

      July 18, 2012 at 9:13 am |
  13. Rainer Braendlein

    Father and son join a lousy gang of ecclesiastical criminals.

    There a at least two reasons to reject the Roman Church: First, a spiritual one, secondly, a historical one.

    One of the greatest rulers of the last 1700 years was Frederic the Great, King of Pruzzia. He was a great promoter of Enlightenment, which was to a large extent a battle against the Roman Church. Frederic was quite angry on the RCC, but not because he was a Potestant. The reason was the anger of a righteous ruler against a gang of criminals.

    There is a famous book of Frederic, called the "Antimachiavel" (it is the refutation of Machiavellis book "The Prince", which is one of the most criminal books, which has ever been written).

    In chapter 11 of his book Frederic writes that it was historical fact that the ecclesiastical princes (Catholic bishops, which were worldly rulers at the same time) robbed their own peoples. This bishops said: "Did not Jesus say: 'blessed are the poor', and thus they took the money and property of their people to make them poor and thus blessed".

    July 18, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • Rynomite

      The Prince was an excellent book by a fine political mind. A book truly grounded in reality.

      July 18, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Heaven Sent

      A book is criminal, Rainy?

      July 18, 2012 at 9:54 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, since you continue on with your obsession of hiding behind my handle to post your perversion... let me explain that I will continue to post.

      July 18, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "Phony heavensent, since you continue on with your obsession of hiding behind my handle to post your perversion... let me explain that I will continue to post."

      so you consider cnn blog posts as perversion, yet you are cool with your priests a44 ra...ping 10 year old boys?

      July 18, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Which God??

      Oh man, Rainy is Rabid. Amazing what being brainwashed in a cult can make one into, eh?

      July 18, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Wow religion; a way to control the weak minded, your mind is the one that isn't steady if you jumped from what I posted (not the phony heavensent's post) to the r-ape statement. Jesus told us to send r-apists and m-urderers back to Him. I follow His wisdom.

      July 18, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Don't listen to the fake HeavenSent. And get you finger out of my butthole.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, Jesus can help you.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "Jesus can help you"

      Can he tell me how to get a gerbil out of my rectum.

      Right now I'm having some difficulties with that; and I could really use some help from Jesus.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  14. lawrence

    I would like to hear from ant-catholic.Let them tell us about those priest who have joined the catholic church,what has forced them to do so.When something bad is written about the catholic church,those who hate her(CATHOLIC CHURCH) would write very many comments.so let them comment on this issue of priest who are leaving those denominations

    July 18, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I can't emphasize enough the importance of clarity of language (except of course if you're writing in stream of consciousness, in which case the more obscure the better). What do you mean?

      July 18, 2012 at 9:06 am |
  15. William Wilberforce

    There's a saying in my native country that loosely translated goes like this"every time we celebrate a wedding we count with another Saint and one less Virgin" so I think these boys are closer to Heaven that their single colleagues.

    July 18, 2012 at 8:30 am |
  16. Reality

    The Crises in the contemporary Catholic Church:

    The inappropriate conduct of many priests, the emotional stress on the victims and the resultant billion dollars in lawsuits.

    The lack of talent in the priesthood.

    The lack of Vatican response to the historic Jesus movement.

    The Church's continuing cling to original sin and the resulting subsets of crazy ideas like limbo.

    The denial of priesthood to women.

    The restriction of priesthood to single men (unless you are former Episcopalian priests which rankles single celibate priests),

    The continued chain of Vatican "leadership" by old European white men.

    Uncontrolled “birth" control.

    July 18, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Was there ever "talent" in the priesthood outside of hoodwinking and rank-closing?

      July 18, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • *facepalm*

      @Rational – of course. One of the biggest is fundraising. Although I suppose you could argue that's tied to rank-chasing. The best fundraisers always get the best gigs in the wealthiest neighborhoods. Those who can't get assigned to some dying parish in a poverty-stricken town or get place in the middle of nowhere.

      July 18, 2012 at 10:27 am |
  17. Awesome Story

    Awesome story. Thanks for sharing!

    July 18, 2012 at 8:03 am |
  18. Carnal HeavenScent Poop

    No self respecting human would join a pedophile organization. The pope has decided he will appoint 3 men to tell the LCWR what they are to believe. What are these men looking for ? This is not their last step.

    July 18, 2012 at 7:59 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Incendiary and bigoted. The Catholic Church is not a pedophile organization. You may have justifiably strong emotions about abuses in the Church but at least get your facts straight.

      July 18, 2012 at 9:00 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Billy, what would you call an organization that has been shown to systemically protect pedophiles?

      July 18, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Who invited me?

      0G
      Boy Scouts, YMCA, Catholic church, Orthodox Jew, Organized sports......

      July 18, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • Rynomite

      "Billy, what would you call an organization that has been shown to systemically protect pedophiles?"

      Penn State?

      July 18, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Responding with a list of other organizations that might be guilty of systemically protecting pedophiles does not answer the question and is only intended to deflect attention from the RCC's proven criminal activities.

      July 18, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  19. HeavenSent

    God has been watching me po.op again. He was doing it last night. I prayed that he would stop, but he won't. He keeps watching me po.op. Why does He do this?

    Amen

    July 18, 2012 at 7:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      You sure have been busy the last few days phony heavensent.

      I'll post this again, just for you ...

      Phony heavensent, you believe yourself to be having fun as you manipulate my handle the last few days writing your nonsense. Mental health professionals know your behavior to be disturbed with narcissistic, anti-social personality disorders. I'll throw in borderline personality disorder just to cover more of the bases with obsessive compulsive disorder to boot.

      To date, the professionals know of no cure for your disorder.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:36 am |
    • JellyBean

      I may not agree with a lot that HeavenSent posts but you are so lame to steal someones username.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Neither do they know of a cure for the disorder known as Christian belief.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually Rational Libertarian, thanks for bringing this up. I was referring to no man made cure. Jesus Christ will heal, if asked.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Prove it, HS.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:21 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, you need to prove it is not true.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I'm not usually on Tom's side but I have to concur. Where's the proof? Don't say the Bible. I've read it, enjoyed the prose and hated the morality.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, I don't "need to prove it's not true", you jack ass. The burden is on you; you made the claim. Either provide the proof or you're lying.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Rational Libertarian and Tommie Tom. How many times and in different ways does a Christian have to tell you to humble yourselves (that is how we start to seek Him), ask Jesus for forgiveness (that is how we show our respect for His Holiness), ask Him that you can get closer to Him (again, showing respect and knowing He promised that if we knocked, He will open the door), then sin no more. Jesus will then focus you on your spiritual path to His truth.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When the Christian is a hypocrite like you, HS, the number of times is irrelevant. Drivel multiplied by more drivel is equal to drivel. That's all you ever post.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Ha. Being asked to be humble by a Christian. That's like Hitler calling Jay Leno a Nazi.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • Mirosal

      There is a cure to chrsitian belief. It's called logic and reasoning. But, as with most medicines, it doesn't work for ALL who take it. They say logic and reason are enemies of faith. Why is that? Why is faith so afraid of being scrutinized? What is it hiding? O come all ye faithful, what are you REALLY afraid of when your faith is questioned with logic and reason?

      July 18, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, you constantly have proven yourself to be a liar. Because that is what you are and most likely will continue to be, you assume everyone else is as you.

      July 18, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I haven't lied about a thing. You're a hypocrite who judges others' actions and beliefs, who says one thing and does another, who lies about people on an ongoing basis.

      July 18, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, your temper tantrums are making your blood boil. Better watch yourself or high blood pressure will eventually kill you. That an stomach ulcers.

      July 18, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony HeavenSent alert. Poop.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • JellyBean

      Is it lame to steal someone's user name?

      July 18, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • TrueBlueCatholic

      look for a link in heavensent's handle

      July 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      One of the fake HeavenSents stole my handle and registered it.

      July 18, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  20. Kebos

    At the end of the day, it's a job just like any other that puts bread (and wine) on the table.

    July 18, 2012 at 7:16 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      And little boys.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:07 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Rational, not all priests are evil. Personally, I've never met one and I've met 100s of them in my life.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      No priests are evil because good/evil don't exist. However, every priest who tells a child they will go to hell for not following an archaic code of morality is a child abuser. Child abuse doesn't come close to the description of priests who molest children. Every one of them should be tortured and eventually executed.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • gerald

      Not mere bread and wine. The precious body and blood of Christ.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • gerald

      And we wonder how countries like Russia and China killed millions of Christians? Could happen right here if such wackos as are on this thread get a hold of power.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Nope. Just bread (cardboard really) and wine.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, stop your hyperventilating, Priscilla. No one is advocating killing anyone. And if anyone is a 'wacko' it's you.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Those Christians were killed for autocrats to consolodate power. The State was the highest authority in those regimes, so religions had to go as they claim theirdeity has supreme authority. Nothing to do with atheism.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • sam stone

      gerald: still having a hissy fit?

      get back on your knees like a good little slave

      July 18, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Lewis Keseberg

      But this job has the added benefit of putting human flesh and blood on the table. Yummy!

      July 18, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • *facepalm*

      @gerald – I wonder, then, why the RCC killed millions of non-believers and heretics for centuries if they have such a monopoly on morality?

      July 18, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "Not mere bread and wine. The precious body and blood of Christ"

      God hates cannibals, and sheep fvckers.

      July 18, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • gerald

      Sam, what would make you think I am having a hissy fit? Because some nut jobs fling insults at me. Christ said I am blessed when I am insulted for his name. So I thank you. It is clear who is having the hissy fit. Get real.

      July 18, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • gerald

      Facepalm
      Your "question" (since it is not sincere I put it in quotes) is far more complex than any post I make can due justice to. But the facts are that killing is not always immoral, when it is we fully admit that Catholics sin and don't abide by the morality that the pure teachings of the Church call them to, and much of the killing is exagerated. I could write a book on the topic but you wouldn't read it anyway. I am quite certain you don't live up to all the ideals you hold either so let's just be honest here. Or do you believe in honesty and then lie sometimes?

      July 18, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @gerald, so are you saying the killings that occured during the Crusades were justified? Or that it wasn't ordered by the church? Or are you saying, 'well, it wasn't all that bad, so we'll just ignore it'

      Pathetic, any way you look at it. Are you the pot, or the kettle?

      July 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Gerald, all we need to do is seperate Christards from rational people and let them fight Muslimtards. Let them kill each other in the name of there favorite deity. That is the challenge that rational people face...HOW DO WE DO IT? Lions devouring each other.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
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