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Wheaton College sues administration over contraception mandate
July 18th, 2012
11:49 AM ET

Wheaton College sues administration over contraception mandate

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN's Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–Wheaton College, the most prominent evangelical higher education institution in the United States, has filed a lawsuit against the Obama administration over a mandate to provide contraceptive coverage.

The Illinois school joins Catholic counterparts Catholic University and the University of Notre Dame in filing suits to stop a Health and Human Services mandate to provide birth control coverage to their employees.

The move is significant because the new evangelical opposition to the policy—coming not just from Catholic institutions - could have election-year political fallout.

The HHS mandate requires employers to provide free contraception coverage to their employees. Although the plan exempted churches, other religiously affiliated employers, including colleges and hospitals, were not exempt.

In the face of that opposition, the Department of Health and Human Services tweaked its original rule in February to require health insurers, not employers, to cover the cost of contraception coverage, reasoning that would prevent religious groups from having to finance such coverage.

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Despite the change in policy many of those groups have said the mandate remains a violation of their beliefs against contraceptives. Catholic teaching forbids the use of any contraceptives. Many evangelicals do not oppose the use of contraceptives, but believe life begins at conception and say some contraceptives, like emergency contraceptives, induce abortions.

The government mandate covers all forms of FDA approved contraceptives and the administration has said time and again they felt the policy and its exceptions "struck the right balance" on religious freedoms and providing health care for people who need it.

The suit was filed Wednesday in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia for the college by the Becket Fund, the same law firm that is representing multiple lawsuits against the HHS policy.

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In their filing attorney's wrote the mandate, "runs roughshod over Wheaton’s religious beliefs, and the beliefs of millions of other Americans, by forcing it to provide health insurance coverage for abortifacient drugs and related education and counseling."

Should the university not abide by the new mandate they are subject to fines. While many religious groups were provided an extension of one year to adhere to the mandate, Wheaton said because of technical reasons with their insurance provider they were ineligible for that extension.

In a conference call with reporters about the lawsuit, Wheaton College President Philip Graham Ryken, said the the penalties for not following the mandate, “would amount to $1.4 million in fines annually for faculty and staff alone.”

The lawsuit is seeking, "declaratory and injunctive relief to protect against this attack."

Wheaton College is known as the premier evangelical Christian college in the United States. It counts Billy Graham and former speaker of the House Dennis Hastert as alumni. The school has 2,400 undergraduates.

The school said the timing of the lawsuit stemmed from the fall semester rapidly approaching.

"I’ll welcome my first freshman in two weeks,” Ryken said. We're already needing to figure out how we're going to provide insurance coverage this academic year."

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On the call, Ryken, who was joined by his counterpart John Garvey the president of Catholic University, pushed back against assertions the timing of the lawsuit was politically motivated, coming in the midst of a heated presidential campaign.

“The timing of the lawsuit is not something we have chosen," Garvey said. "HHS has chosen to put these rules in effect and we’re crowded up against our own internal deadlines for accepting new students and renegotiating insurance contracts.”

Garvey added he saw this as an issue for both parties. "Religious freedom is something we hope Republicans and Democrats will be attentive to," he said.

“Wheaton College is not a partisan institution,” Ryken added. “The effect of our lawsuit on the political process played no role at all in any our discussions with our board of trustees on the issue."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Barack Obama • Belief • Catholic Church • Faith & Health • Politics

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  1. kelli k

    Plan B is not an abortifacient. If you are already pregnant it does nothing-it merely prevents conception, like other forms of hormonal contraception.

    July 18, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Yeah, I said it!

      Wow Kelli

      You're about one sharp tool there girl. . . .Tell me. . . If your PREGNANT. . .haven't you already CONCEIVED ???

      And lemme guess. . . U R A high school graduate!

      July 18, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Yeah

      Reading comprehension is obviously not your friend.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah I said it, you're incredibly dumb. You are carrying on like a stuck pig about bc and Plan B and you don't even know how they work.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • jsmith89

      What is Cheaper? Paying for Plan B Or Paying for the Hospital Bill when she shows up to birth the Baby?

      July 18, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • jsmith89

      @Yeah,

      Paying for Plan B is like repairing a leak in your roof, Do you pay the $100 to fix it early (Plan B) or do you wait until it rots out the rafters (Baby)?

      July 18, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
  2. reader10

    You want screw around you buy your own pills.

    July 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • sam

      Contraception alleviates many medical conditions as well, but, I suppose you thought your idiot 2 cents was more amusing.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • jsmith89

      You want to pray. Do it on your own dime and give up your tax exemption!

      July 18, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • MarileeBob

      I pay for health insurance and take the pill for ovarian cysts-why should I have to pay out of pocket instead of my health insururance that I PAY FOR covering it? My doctor prescribed them to me for a medical condition, like many other women who suffer from this condition.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Yeah, I said it!

      @ Sam

      So did many other drugs. . . at one time.

      You have a medical condition that can be treated with birth control. . .fine. . .

      Other than that, swallow.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Yeah, I said it!

      @jsmith,

      You want health care. . . get a job and pay for it with your own dime. I already give 15% a year to charity. I don't need to cover you.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • SSampson

      An unwanted pregnancy by someone who can't afford these pills costs us a WHOLE lot more than this – So if it is money you want to save, support insurance providing this medication – for contraception and (obviously) other medical conditions...

      In this country it is ONE taxpayer and ONE vote – When churches start paying tax, they can have an opinion and lobby on behalf of their members.....

      Personally.... I'd like to see tax free status restricted on these organizatons – If they spend the money helping those in need (without indoctrination!!!), then those monies can be tax free... If they want to spend it on anything else – taxable...

      I have no issue with those that want to practice religion – do what you want.... but don't force me to join in via the ballot box....That is MY freedom

      July 18, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • jsmith89

      @yeah I said it,

      I have a job and I am tired of the Federal Government letting you deduct 15% of your income to "Charities" that you like! Give up the deduction and start paying taxes on ALL CHURCH ASSETS!

      Stop being on the Federal WELFARE!

      July 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Yeah, I said it!

      @Sampson

      Hey. . .who cuts your hair man!

      Who do you think belong to churches. . . or go to religious schools?

      Anyone here Jeapordy music here???

      TAXPAYERS Einstien!

      And gee. . . isn't taxing money that's already been taxed (that's probably already been taxed and taxed again) that's given as DONATIONS represent double (or triple, or quadruple) taxation?

      Tell me. . . who told all these people at birth that life was fair, that living should be free, that healthcare was a right, and that everyone would have a chicken in every garage?

      July 18, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah, I said it, you aren't paying for anyone's bc, you moron. People who have jobs and pay premiums for health insurance ARE paying for their medications through the premiums they and their employers pay. Read something, you pea-brain.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • Yeah, I said it!

      @jsmith

      You know what assume means there j?

      It means you end up looking like an idiot for thinking I claim exemption. Or that I even attend a church.

      Stupid liberal. . .that underwater basketweaving was a graduate degree.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Yeah, I said it!

      @Ting Ting,

      So. . . do the math Einstein. . . you pay what? . . . 500 – 800/mo. for insurance? . . Your employer pays what?

      Let's just say for craps and grins that you end up paying (your contribution + employer if there is one) 9k/yr

      Now, tell me there ace, how much do you think just a two day hospital visit is because you got stupid with friends and wanted to do some car surfing?

      July 18, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • jsmith89

      Tax Deductions given to churches and Taxes NOT PAID on church real estate IS MUCH MORE than all the money given to planned parenthood or spent on Birth Control!

      July 18, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      As opposed to the one you got from a third-tier cow college where they told you that "here" means to sense sound with your ears and that Albert's last name was spelled "Einstien"?

      July 18, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • hmm

      Yeah, I said it: the way you rant on here makes me think of that scene in the movie "Saved" in which Mandy Moore's character says, "I am FILLED with the holy spirit!!" and then chucks a Bible at someone's head.
      You are not walking the walk NOR talking the talk, friend.
      Btw, no-one is getting "free" birth control. People are already paying the premiums for their insurance...it's just that birth control will have no co-pay. Educate yourself.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • jsmith89

      @yeah,

      Not liberal. Just a hard core Fiscal conservative Atheist that wants to end the church/charity tax loop hole. I also have a master's in Computer Science, so stop making assumptions. Stay on the point you moron.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • jsmith89

      @yeah,

      I would also prefer to pay for a woman to NOT get pregnant than to pay the $10-$20K to birth the baby.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Brian

      All you people that say get rid of the tax exemption for religious organizations are hypocrites if you aren't saying the same for planned parenthood.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • jsmith89

      @Brian,

      I would take ALL church exemptions, for planned parenthood funding EVERY day! Planned Parenthood is like $300-$450 million a year. Churches and the related deduction is closer to $30 billion.

      DONE!

      July 18, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • jsmith89

      @Brian,

      I would say the people screaming about Planned Parenthood and Welfare but not the Churches are more Hypocritical.

      July 18, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @hmm

      Nice call:

      Hilary Faye: Mary, turn away from Satan. Jesus, he loves you.
      Mary: You don't know the first thing about love.
      Hilary Faye: [throws a Bible at Mary] I am FILLED with Christ's love! You are just jealous of my success in the Lord.
      Mary: [Mary holds up the Bible] This is not a weapon! You idiot.

      Too bad it's not on You Tube. (Google search recognizes the line, but not vid, at least not any more.)

      July 18, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • jsmith89

      For those who proclaim to be fiscal conservatives out there, Planned Parenthood is a GREAT investment. Every poor woman you can keep from having a Baby is $100K you save PER KID!

      July 18, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • dg

      Yeah, i said it, most employed people pay for a good portion of their health ins, at least that. Is the case in every job I have had as well as most people I know. Employers these days rarely pay 100% of health ins. So i should get covered in any medical situation incluuding birth control since birth can be deadly due to complications.

      July 19, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  3. Mick

    "Render unto Caesar the tings that are Caesar's and to the Lord the tings that are the Lord's." Running a religious college does NOT exempt you from following the laws of the land. Under their "pick-and-choose" philosophy, they could decide not to pay minimum wage to their employees, not to follow OSHA guidelines, even to discriminate against minorities. Sorry folks, you want to do business in America (and higher education IS definitely business), you play by the same rules as everybody else, or you pack your bags and fold your tent!

    July 18, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Mick

      "things"

      July 18, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • MarileeBob

      What, are you Jamaican? Des tings? LOL

      July 18, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • Steve Watson

      Thank you, Mick. Very well stated.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Yeah, I said it!

      Yep. . . so much for "Land of the free". . . .buttmunches like you would rather see a nationed formed from the kids put though the meat grinder from Pink Floyds "The Wall"

      Get a life loser. And quit cryin' cause you can't force your junk down everyone elses throat. Buy a clue and figure out that just because you have delusions of grandeur doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're citing "Pink Floyd"? What are you, 65?

      July 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
  4. g2-554d155ee0aaa518e03a7e70d9cd6b0b

    If it is against the religious beliefs of the people you employ or your students, then why is this a problem, as they won't be using the contraceptives- at least not for contraception? (many of the devices and drugs that are considered "contraceptives" are also used for treating other medical conditions. In fact, birth control pills are more commonly used to treat conditions including PCOS than they are for actual birth control!)

    July 18, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  5. Reality

    The reality of se-x, contraception and STD control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom (33 cents ea from http://www.amazon.com with free shipping i.e. no hardship and therefore should not be provided by Obamacare).

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
    – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
    Followed by:
    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0

    July 18, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Dude, quit with this bullsh!t. Start posting like a normal poster, dipsh!t. You're soooooooo fvcking annoying.

      July 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • 2tor

      I guess the Christains were right..

      July 18, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Bob

      Utter FAIL

      Nice BS propaganda.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Reality

      The reality of se-x, contraception and STD control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom (33 cents ea from http://www.amazon.com with free shipping i.e. no hardship and therefore should not be provided by Obamacare).

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
      Followed by:
      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      July 18, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
  6. Portland tony

    How many employees does the college have that would fall under this mandated contraception issue. The college employs aprox. 300 full and part time faculty. Assuming 2/3 of all the university employees are men...faculty, staff and maintenance and say the college employs 1000 people total..that's 300 women who might need contraceptives at max...Now some we can assume are beyond child
    bearing years. Others follow the church 's doctrine. So in reality we are talking about maybe 100 women employees that may require contraception services ...jeez

    July 18, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Tony,

      Yep, and ...

      “Wheaton College is not a partisan inst.tution,” Ryken added. “The effect of our lawsuit on the political process played no role at all in any our discussions with our board of trustees on the issue."

      Uh huh. May I call B.S.? Wheaton College is a nest of right-wing fundies.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • gerald

      Well the mandate includes coverage for student health insurances they provide as welll. Besides how many people should be affected before rights should be defended?

      July 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Portland tony

      @Gerald....most students are covered by their parent's insurance until their 27th birthday. And no ....the mandate doesn't apply to students who are not employees.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • gerald

      Portland, yes some students and probably most are covered under parents policies. But yes the mandate does apply to school sponsored policies for students. That is what I said and it is in fact true.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Chris

      How many of their employees will get multiple sclerosis or other autoimmune diseases? Not that many so, according to your weird logic, they should also not cover treatment for those diseases.
      How about cancer? Many anti-cancer drugs also induce abortions by the way. Are they going to stop covering those too?

      July 18, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • 2tor

      It's obviously way over your head, let it go

      July 18, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • g2-554d155ee0aaa518e03a7e70d9cd6b0b

      What rights are being broken? If you are employed at Wheaton or go to Wheaton, they clearly expect that you are devout to their religious views. Therefore, you wouldn't be using the contraceptives for contraception- that is your right, and you are free to exercise that right.

      If Wheaton college does NOT state that you must follow their religious views to be employed by them or educated by them, then they have to deal with the right of a woman to use contraceptives for contraception.

      Does the college plan on making an exception for covering contraceptives that are used to treat medical conditions OTHER than use for birth control? For a good example, birth control pills are used to treat PCOS. Will that treatment be covered by the college's proposed insurance plan? Was it covered before the "mandate"?

      Personally, my objection is the offering of prescriptions for birth control for free. They should be covered at the same rate as any other prescription medication.

      July 18, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  7. Brother Maynard

    " ... many of those groups have said the mandate remains a violation of their beliefs against contraceptives. "
    I have a belief against killing ... Can I therefore not pay 25% of my taxes because that is the amount that goes to the Pentagon?

    July 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • rAmen

      my religion requires me to wear a tin foil hat and oppose printed currency, I demand I pay my employees in gummy bears instead!

      July 18, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Dammit brother maynard.
      Blowin' up stuff and killin' folk in their home countries is the 'merican way....rockets red glare and such.
      Yer not one of them conscientious objecter types are ya'?
      We're doing gods work when we kill foriners... and you should be proud of it...its how you get freedom...by takin' it from others
      Hell where would ar' economy be if we had to lay off all them people makin' guns 'n bombs n' stuff
      and we're helpin' keep the population of the world in check as well.
      think about whatyer sayin' before ya post next time.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      ramen, if you can get anyone to work for you for that compensation, that is called free enterprise

      July 18, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  8. Sam Yaza

    1 Betty 1 1-3
    blessed is the christian who criticizes others faith, for we call this love.
    cursed are those who return the favor, for we call this persecution

    July 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • rAmen

      bravo, sir. BRA. VO.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • jmsbois

      Perfect. I'm gonna use this one, thanks!

      July 18, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  9. Mickey1313

    So, hhs compromised, and now is being attacked again. Just proves the adage, when you compromise with evil, evil wins. P all over the church.

    July 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, you athiests are all fat drippings. Enjoy your time being consumed by your own personal worm for all eternity in the fires of hell. If you weren't so arrogant and pridefull you would ask Jesus into your heart and read the Bible, the truth.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Hs you ignorant ho, I'm not tom. I'm mickey, I'm always mickey I've been mickey on here for 3 years, you just C ant U nderstand N ormal T hought.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Qwerty Elemeno

      We used to be dry bones, now we are fat drippings. Just can't keep those metaphors straight, can she?

      July 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Qwerty, no but most faith full have a problem with a firm group on reality.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Answer

      I have no problems when HeavenSent is reading her ridiculous bible.. it's only when she begins to type over the internet.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, for Pete's sake. Mickey, nice to meet me...uh, you.

      Do you believe this chucklehead?

      July 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Tom, shes azealot, I believe her brain is filled with mashed potatos

      July 18, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • 2tor

      Show me more evil than the Unions? They were the first to get the waivers.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
  10. HeavenSent

    Don's worry, I wouldn't touch CS with a ten-foot pole. His arrogence and pride are a curse on those who love God and follow Jesus' truth. Read His letter to us from Heaven, the Bible. HIS true word.

    Amen

    P.S. I would touch myself IF I could find my lady parts.

    July 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      No worries HS, Central really isn't desparate...he wouldn't risk making your doll jealous and there is no flag big enough to cover your face and gag you long enough to make it worth even the most morbid persons time.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • ChristianMingle.com

      HS, you sound like a really nice Christian person. If you want to meet other Christians who believe as you do and are looking for a life partner to share the gift of the Lord God, visit ChristianMingle.com!

      July 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • ThisIsHowBlackPeopleMeet.com

      There you are CM.com! Come on baby, don't do me like this, can't a brutha get some sweet white a.s.s?

      July 18, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HS lives in an old age home under the care of a people in pretty white coats...that's the reason she uses the doll.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @truth

      You athiests are all fat drippings. Enjoy your time being consumed by your own personal worm for all eternity in the fires of hell. If you weren't so arrogant and pridefull you would ask Jesus into your heart and read the Bible, the truth.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HS: The doll not satisfying you...no wonder you're so damn an.al about everything.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • sam

      Hmm...also, using the wrong hole might explain how anal she is...

      July 18, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Some of your clients have said that when the were in heaven, it was dry and scratchy and made you pray for some more lube. Plese confirm.

      Amen

      July 18, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  11. llɐq ʎʞɔnq

    Catholics are hypocrites. Their own theologians and experts recommended that birth control be seen as acceptable. The ONLY reason it wasn't was because they were afraid of the PR fallout, and being seen as inconsistent.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Commission_on_Birth_Control

    July 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • junior

      Unless Theologians are in accordance with the CCC, their inputs don't matter.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Junior
      Why do we need input from the Civilian Conservation Corps for?
      That's a bit off topic isn't it?

      July 18, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Tell that to the cardinals and bishops on the commission, junior.

      July 18, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • myth buster

      CCC here means Catechism of the Catholic Church.

      July 26, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
  12. Reality

    Condoms cost 33 cents apiece so why the fuss about having insurance pay for these i.e. give up one cup a coffee at Starbucks and you can buy 14 condoms.

    Next topic!!!

    July 18, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Religious freedom is merely freedom from taxation, nothing more, it's a scam.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      "merely freedom from taxation" is exactly right. The power to tax is the power to destroy. Hence the point of the spear into the taxation of religion is precisely the attack on religious freedom that so many on here openly call for. You may be in favor of the end of religion but others are not and Freedom of Religion is a basic right.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bill,

      we live in a democracy. I think capital punishment is morally wrong, but I have to accept that my state taxes will fund state-ordered death (if I live in a capital punishing state).

      How is this any different from the health care act?

      July 18, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • just sayin

      Yes Bill the Freedom of delusion is a right. Yes the healthcare act is an attack on your delusion. *rolling eyes*. My god the christians whine like little b!tches on what they know is non issues.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • just sayin

      GOP dude said "we live in a democracy. I think capital punishment is morally wrong, but I have to accept that my state taxes will fund state-ordered death (if I live in a capital punishing state).

      How is this any different from the health care act?"
      .
      And this is why it is a non-issue and they will lose all the way to the highest court. Hey let the churches burn their money on attorneys. Money well wasted rather than go towards to promote their delusion.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • AGuest9

      My doctor's office sells Ortho for $15. If you think 50 cents a day is too expensive to keep your girlfriend from getting pregnant, try seeing how much a baby costs!

      July 18, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "You may be in favor of the end of religion but others are not and Freedom of Religion is a basic right"

      Freedom of and freedom from....here's a stat for you Christians 2.4 billion world wide, non-believers 1.5 billion...your brand of delusion like every other brand of delusion before is on its way out.

      July 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Capital punishment is a states issue. The Church opposes capital punishment. I suppose if the government was forcing the Church to be the agent of it, you would see a similar reaction. Two differences.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Chris

      Yes, but condoms cannot treat polycystic ovarian syndrome (POS), heavy and painful bleeding, irregular periods, etc...
      Oral contraceptives do.
      Many anti-cancer drugs or immunosuppressants induce abortions, why do those religious people allow them??? Oh yes, because men get cancer too.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bill,

      by extension the government* forces you to be an agent of capital punishment, despite the teachings of your 'church' (by which I assume you mean the Catholic church).

      * Assuming you live in such a state.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Then by extension they can give away "free" birthcontrol through planned parenthood or HHS. The only reason i can see for the push through the Church is (A) purposeful violation of our values and (B) establish a precedent against freedom of religion. Can you think of any reason the government could not provide free contraception from some other source?

      July 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  13. Johnny Blammo

    The world's population is doubling every 61 years, and these idiots think birth control is a BAD idea?

    When is Jesus going to bip in and tell us to go forth and STOP procreating?

    July 18, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • sam

      Let's just add contraception to Wheaton's water supply. Then all we have to do is wait.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      That would be bad for the church business, now way jose! Start taxing them on the number of children they have rather than giving them tax breaks AND tax the heck out of religious organizations.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Shhhhh....sam...that's supposed to be a secret.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      I agree voice as soon as the church goes political, they should taxed just like any other company

      July 18, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Put it in the altar wine. Better target audience acquisition.

      July 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  14. Voice of Reason

    As the Wheaton College website states: "For Christ and His Kingdom", says it all. Very disturbing.

    July 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • The Central Srutinizer

      By definition, a kingdom is immoral. That is one of the most ironic inconsistencies with mono-theistic belief systems. They abhor dictators, but then turn right around and worship one.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      That...plus they can't seem to wait to get to heaven where they can kiss his Holy feet for all eternity.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "That...plus they can't seem to wait to get to heaven where they can kiss his Holy feet for all eternity."

      When they arrive at heaven they immediately get taken to a casting couch where they have to blow Saint Peter to get through the gates...

      July 18, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Hey CS,
      Interesting subject. The OT Hebrews had a "confederation of tribes", and when they demanded a "kingdom", the prophets warned them , "Fallen is the virgin Isra-El ..she has become like the nations" etc. One of the actual potential contributions of that culture, (along with the only other one .. the personalization of the Chaos Myth..(Marduk)), was jettisoned, against the advice of their spiritual leaders. They could have been one of the first democracies. They dumped it for a kingdom.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • The Central Srutinizer

      I did not know that. Thanks Bucky!

      July 18, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      "They dumped it for a kingdom."

      And you would think that would have learned, not! "Take thou stick and stick thy point in thy eye" Dumba*ss Chronicles: 54:09

      July 18, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Fram

      I am so far past disappointed that there is no Pacific Northwest date. We have made this a flimay tradition, and have in recent years made it a group thing with a few co-workers as well. We are so very disappointed in this. It will be our first season missed since we checked into the show!! My son wants to grow up to be a dancer because of this show, and he has been dying to go this year to see Tadd and Marco (he loves them both) and it is all he talks about! I cannot even bring myself to tell him that they won't be coming. PLEASE ADD DATES TO THE TOUR TO INCLUDE YOUR PAC NW FANS!!!!

      October 8, 2012 at 2:07 am |
  15. TruthPrevails :-)

    Is it any wonder that the USA has the highest teen,age pre.gnancy rate in the world?

    July 18, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • The Central Srutinizer

      It's not my fault! Why are you blaming me? What?

      July 18, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Because the government will pay them to have babies and continue to fill the churches and get the government money from all directions. I mean, let's have a baby because we can and god said we should go forth and multiply. The one thing the god left out was the impact of multiplying. Not the brightest bulb in the pack that god.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Not getting any Central? I hear HS is available.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Voice: Nor are some of his followers.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • The Central Srutinizer

      Don't tempt with HS! You know I love that carnal ol' bag.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Voice
      And don't forget that you should feel really, really guilty and disgusted while doing it.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @AtheistSteve

      Isn't that the best part? I love guilt and drama every day of my existence.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Central: I'm sure the 'doll' factories make a mint off the old hag. Images of her naked or pro-creating are attune to watching Carrie.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Primewonk

      TruthPrevails wrote, "Not getting any CS? I hear HS is available."

      As we used to say, growing up in Iowa, "Man, I wouldn't fuck her with your dick!"

      July 18, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      I've gotta go inflate my date....better latex than never!!!

      July 18, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Prime, how did you get that thru the censors? Props

      July 18, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Mickey – Those of us who are Satan's minions are not subject to WordPress's puny filters.

      Come to the dark side, and all powers will be given to you.

      Plus, we have cookies.

      [use html tags in the offending segment – so, if you want to write shit, between the s and h I inserted the html start tag for bold followed immediately with the close tag for bold – no space between tags]

      July 18, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Prime, I'm already in the center of a pentagram of black candles, unfortunatly I'm using my phone to post, but when I'm on my puter il l remember that,for now il stick to fu ck ing spaces. Ps I still want cookies

      July 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      fuck

      July 18, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Cool it works!

      July 18, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Like a bunch of adolescents who think they're cool because they learned to cuss. LOL. The great atheist moral compass.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Bill

      So you take a tiny html trick that some people wonder about, and turn it into an attack on atheists. Wow your idiocy keeps on growing.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bill,

      I was delighted to learn how to post words like "Constitution" and "cumulative".

      I don't need the f-bombs, but they are the acid test for the filter.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Look at the christian trying to teach morality...what irony

      July 18, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • sam

      Okay, that was just funny as hell.

      Bill, quit being such a bitch.

      July 18, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • g2-554d155ee0aaa518e03a7e70d9cd6b0b

      The USA is not the highest teen pregnancy rate in the world. It has the highest *birth* rate for teens in the industrialized world, but the highest rate of pregnancy is in Subsarahan African countries (I can't seem to find stats for pregnancy rates in the industrialized world, only birth rates).

      July 18, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
  16. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    In other news, Wheaton College announces that a ban on hand-holding by students (except during prayer circles) will be rigorously enforced.

    “Wheaton College is not a partisan inst.tution,” this bit really made me laugh.

    Wheaton, Illinois, the city of the one drink maximum, and then only in a restaurant. I once made the mistake of ordering a second drink in Wheaton but was informed that this is forbidden by local ordinance. You cannot order a second drink until your first drink is finished.

    July 18, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      And I wonder why I drink?

      July 18, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • The Central Srutinizer

      I understand circle jerks are still acceptable though.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      The Genus Edition of Trivial Pursuit states that Wheaton has "more churches per capita than any other town in America."

      July 18, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • J.W

      Could you order a pitcher? Does that count as one drink?

      July 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @J.W.

      I really don't remember if you could order a pitcher but I don't think so. There was only one bar in the city – that was on land that was annexed and got grandfathered. Otherwise, only restaurants could get a license to sell alcohol.

      You could order a bottle of wine, but not have more glasses on the table than people who were actually drinking.

      You could not purchase any alchohol on Sunday morning. The booze section of the Sav'on (conveniently connected to the Jewel grocery store) was roped off at that time.

      As Wheaton became more gentrified, someone wanted to open a wine and cheese shop downtown. They got denied. The Wheaton Leader quoted "The absence of yet another alcohol-related establishment can only be good for the City of Wheaton."

      The local fundies also tried to get children's books with references to witches banned at the Wheaton Public Library. (This was before Harry Potter.)

      July 18, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • J.W

      I guess if you are a recovering alcoholic Wheaton is the place for you.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I forgot the best thing about Wheaton, Illinois.

      This repressive little buckle on the midwestern the bible belt produced the Belushi boys: John and Jim. As I recall, they grew up on the south side of Wheaton (south of Roosevelt Road – Hwy 38) and attended Wheaton Central High (now closed).

      For what it's worth, Wheaton High's other notable alumnus was Edwin Hubble.

      July 19, 2012 at 12:41 am |
  17. ChristianMingle.com

    Well done Wheaton! Obama is the anti-Christ. Soon the Lord will come down to shepherd his flock to heaven, while the sinners languish in agony!

    July 18, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      It is mindless little idiots such as yourself that is ruining the species and this planet. Go fu*ck yourself moron!

      July 18, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • ChristianMingle.com

      @Voice

      Don't you believe in God? I would NEVER date you!

      July 18, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      voice
      Do not pay attention to this guy...he has around 50 different names he uses and posts all over everything...he has even likely posted under your name as well.
      He doesn't mean anything he says, he's just doing some sociology experiment and trying to get reactions out of people.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Johnny Blammo

      That's what I was going to say, Who. It's pretty damn obvious.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Who invited me?

      You're right, I should have known.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      heck for all I know voice/johnny/christian are all the same person...Is this even me?

      July 18, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • J.W

      I have been doing an experiment the whole time I have been on here.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Voice of Reason,

      I suspect that ChristianMingle.com is indeed a clever poe. He does a really good job of staying in character.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • ChristianMingle.com

      You people are just awful! As if!

      July 18, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • sam

      Let us all hope your lord comes to get you soon.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Would Jesus please just hurry up and get it over with already...the sooner you folks get raptured away the sooner things can settle down into something resembling normal for the rest of us.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • ThisIsHowBlackPeopleMeet.com

      @ChristianMingle.com

      Yo sweetness, I will come for you. Back that badonkadonk up and park it where the Crystal goes baby.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  18. Primewonk

    The school is not required to pay for the contraceptive coverage. The church involved is not required to pay for the contraceptive coverage. The students are not forced or mandated to obtain, or use contraceptives.

    This is simply more fundamentalist bullshit.

    July 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Edna Pimples Saves The Day! (it wasn't much of a day)

      Contraception is not even a Protestant issue. This is pure political bullying. I guess they are jealous that the Catholics seem to have come up with an issue, which they failed to do.

      I guess they want more Christian unwanted pregnancies, more than the thousands upon thousands that happen every years. Good thinking.

      Once again, religion is totally hung-up about sex.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • J.W

      Their objection to this is that they hate anything Obama does. If he changed his mind and said all abortion should be illegal they would start becoming pro abortion.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • sam

      Yes – more 'look at me' faux-outrage. Just what everyone needed.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Your misconception is that churches are opposed to contraception. While this is true of the Catholic Church, it isn't always true among Protestant. But birth control is only the topic. Religious freedom is the issue. If the state gains the power to dictate religious liberty, we have all lost our freedom whether you as an individual are religious or not. It will mean that the state can establish acceptable behavior by the power to tax. This might seem appealing to those who hate religion but that will only be true until the tax your pet behavior.

      July 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  19. The Central Scrutinizer

    Just steralize them.

    July 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      It might come to that if the religious idiots don't stop their agenda's. How in the world do we expect a solution from the supernatural? Intellectual insanity!

      July 18, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  20. Voice of Reason

    Religious freedom is an oxymoron, pointedly foolish. Secular freedom denotes atti*tudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis, ie; contraception.

    7 billion and growing, have another solution?

    July 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      According to a class my kid took this year it is predicted that within the next 12 years the population will have grown by another 2 billion...sadly the believers think it is their duty to step in to the bedrooms/private life's of everyone, not once removing their blinders to see the reality of this.

      July 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Joe Bauers

      Watch the movie "Idiocracy" - hilarious and horrifying!

      July 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Joe Bauers

      From wiki: "The film tells the story of two ordinary people taken into a top-secret military hibernation experiment to awaken in a dystopia wherein advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism run rampant and dysgenic pressure has resulted in a uniformly stupid human society devoid of intellectual curiosity, social responsibility, and coherent notions of justice and human rights."

      Looks like a definite one to see, thanks bro!

      July 18, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @TruthPrevails 🙂

      I struggle everyday to use diplomatic reasoning to the believers but the diplomacy doesn't work. You can show them the color green but they'll say it's orange. While we all know it's green (because our eye structure that tells our brain what color objects are, unless you have a genetic defect such as color blindness) but the believers insist it is orange. So yes, they are blind aren't they? But their you go! They say we're blind. Ugh!!

      July 18, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      There are none so blind as those who are told what to see

      July 18, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Joe, thats my favorite comady movie, but in les than 100 years that will be america if we dont regulate business, and curb theistic influence.

      July 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
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