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July 19th, 2012
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Chick-fil-A's marriage stance causing a social stormBy Brad Lendon, CNN (CNN)–The fact that Chick-fil-A is a company that espouses Christian values is no secret. The fact that its 1,600 fast-food chicken restaurants across the country are closed on Sundays has long been testament to that. But the comments of company President Dan Cathy about gay marriage to Baptist Press on Monday have ignited a social media wildfire. 10 religious companies (besides Chick-fil-A) "Guilty as charged,", Cathy said when asked about his company's support of the traditional family unit as opposed to gay marriage. Chick-fil-A controversy shines light on restaurant's Christian DNA "We are very much supportive of the family – the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that," Cathy is quoted as saying. CNN's This Just In Blog has the full social media reaction to the latest Chick-fil-A flap
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Is there not really one single Christian out there who opposes gay marriage that can point to why it is a bad thing without using a book that also calls shrimp, menstruating women, and rape victims similarly bad things?
@facepalm,
Ummm, no? How much more rhetorical could you be?
What continues to amaze me is just how much "Christians" (particularly evangelical Protestants) cleave to Leviticus, when one would think that as followers of Christ, the Gospels are all they need.
Jesus of course has nothing to say on the matter of gays, except for all that inclusive love and forgiveness for everyone stuff. Jesus reserves his harshest words for adultery, and that's just fine in the evangelical Protestant community. Second, third marriage – not problem – so long as it's between a man and woman.
Sure, read the OT for a bit of background on Judaism, but I thought it was the new covenant they were so keen on.
Well, if Christians want to throw out the OT, then I'd ask why they're god is a moral relativist. And why do they still seem to focus so much on the ten commandments.
And can I be more rhetorical? That sounds like a challenge...
@facepalm,
well, consider the gauntlet thrown! Accept the challenge. 😉
Instead of using those scriptures to say to themselves "I will follow this law and not lie with men" (all while ignoring some of the other onerous laws) many Christians wrongfully use it as a tool to say "You should follow this law and not lie with men!" That is why they cannot say how being gay harms anyone else because the only harm they know is that of eternal damnation which requires a belief in an eternal soul and the God of the Hebrews to consider it harmful.
So really what they are saying when they attempt to legislate gay marriage is "I want to make not believing in my God illegal, you should all now be Christian because I know better than you."
Well if we turn a blind eye to the soul, it is not healthy for its practice. There is never fulfillment in those relationships, there is always regret.
Are you speaking from personal experience, junior, or do you have a source for this (mis)information?
"There is never fulfillment in those relationships, there is always regret."
That's why gay relationships have lasted 25 – 50 years and divorce rate for straights is at 50%. Duh!
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Let the customers decide. It looks like pro-traditional families will be eating at Chick-fil-A and pro gay marriage families will shop at JC Penney.
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" It looks like pro-traditional families will be eating at Chick-fil-A "
So, when you say "traditional family" you are including the biblically sanctioned polygamists and familys where the members are engaging in incest.
@derp and @Heather, don't forget about the concubines.
And it's really disingenuous to say 'pro-traditional families' because I've never met someone who was pro-gay marriage that was anti hetero marriage.
So I guess straight families do not shop and gay families do not eat.
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"We are very much supportive of the family"
this fast food garbage chain is in support of prejudice views written in the bronze age. makes me glad i don't live in a state with a Chick-fil-A. such good christians, wonder if they stop for a second to think about how many people their food kills.
for the religious wing nuts, "family" is an acronym for "gay bashing"
"family" is also often synonymous with "people who look and act like me"
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Bronze age? Couple thousand years off. Minor mistake.
I can't figure out why they think anyone gives a rat's ass what they believe – it's a chicken place. Do they really feel that's the best way to spread their truth?
Family is defined as those who can bring about life and nurture children.
No, dearie, it isn't 'defined' thusly except by you.
"Family is defined as those who can bring about life and nurture children."
Social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents—concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people—are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being.
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Pfftt
Crappy fried fast food for a nation of obese christards.
Go ahead religiots, enjoy your junk food. The sooner you croak from obesity-related illnesses the sooner we have one less jesustard to deal with.
It's sad that apparently they believe prayer works for everything but diabetes...
But, they KNOW they're going to heaven when they die ... prematurely ... while we're all going to hell after our long, and healthy lives. 😉
Excuse me for butting in to this heated discussion, but I have just read the bible page to page, again (!) & there is not 1 verse that states conclusively that God has Sanctioned marriage to be between Only 1 man & 1 woman! Infact, all the verses state quite the opposite! Sure, many verses say man should marry 1 woman, leave his parents, cling to her & so forth! That would be 1 woman at a Time, that is! Everything I have read says that a man can marry as many wives as he can afford & can have cocubines, too! That sweeps the OT & NT! In the NT the only people admonished by the diciples to have Only 1 wife, are pastors & elders in the church! The sooner Christians recognize this fact, the sooner we can have an honest convo about marriage equality! Hey, this wont be popular, but it is biblical fact! Written in ink all over the book & if you believe it to be God's word, time to familiarize yourself again!!
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It is called selective passage usage. They will pick and choose whichever passage that appeals to them.
Yup. Lots of concubines floating around the OT, and the only thing holding back the NT Jews was that they were probably too poor to afford more than one wife.
"They will pick and choose whichever passage that appeals to them."
Just like a Christian husband in the bedroom with his fugly wifes face in the pillow...
Pastors are elders; many people use the word "pastor" incorrectly to refer to evangelists. Men chose to have multiple wives and concubines; that doesn't mean that it was intended by God to be that way.
There's nothing in the bible that strictly defines what a family is. These nutty folks have been breathing the frying oil fumes too long.
I have decided that since HeavenSent and I have so much in common, here in the psychiatric unit west wing, we're going to get married so that we can share our messages of bigotry, hatred and well, just plain stupidity together.
I am sad.
"Guilty as charged,", Cathy said when asked about his company's support of the traditional family unit as opposed to gay marriage."
I DO NOT CARE who "supports" traditional marriage, you are welcome to support it all you like. The issue has never been about who supports traditional marriage. The issues are the attacks on the non-traditional marriages that have NOTHING to fvcking do with anyone else but the persons involved. Go have all the traditional marriages you want, just don't try to legislate someone elses morality, happiness or relationships. Period.
That's the "perversion of the language" trick the right wing loves so much. The attempt to deprive women the right to choose what they do with their bodies is twisted into "pro-life". The effort to deprives one demographic the right to marry (or even practice their lifestyle) is given the happy-happy name of "protecting the family". There's many more, but you get the idea.
It's lipstick on the pig of bigotry and oppressiveness.
That's the "perversion of the language" trick the left wing loves so much. The attempt to deprive a child of the right to live is twisted into "pro-choice". The effort to deprives one demographic the right to be alive(a pretty basic right) and is given the happy-happy name of "protecting the choice of the mother". There's many more, but you get the idea.
If a person strikes the mother a blow that results in the death of the unborn child, it is called murder, but if a doctor does it, it's called "choice". It's lipstick on the pig of infanticide
@Mass Debater " just don't try to legislate someone elses morality"
=>really?
we arent allowed to enact laws?
using that standard, would anything be illegal?
We should legislate against things that actually cause harm. We shouldn't legislate against something just because some old book tells us not to do it. That's the type of model that the Taliban uses. We should be better than that.
@Chad
What you WANT to say is "Our laws under god (our delusions) are better.. so let us tell you what they are."
And we say "You don't know better."
Your reply : "Yes we do because they are god's law."
So you are once again going to have to prove that your god exists.
Guess you missed my question..
which was: using that standard, would anything be illegal?
@*facepalm* "We should legislate against things that actually cause harm."
=>question: does killing a baby cause it harm?
I'm guessing you actually mean fetus. And my answer would be, not necessarily.
But nice deflection. Can't stay on topic? What harm does gay marriage cause?
@Chad,
I think you are misinterpreting the notion of morality.
Morality is a consensus of conscience. It exists outside of religion and is not dictated by religious groups. There are issues like abortion where a very clear consensus of our society's moral opinion is much less obvious as stealing or murder* for example.
* For the sake of this conversation let's define murder as the killing of post-live birth people.
Legislating a religious tenet which is not necessarily consistent with the morals of the overall community, is a problem. Actually it is morally wrong.
@*facepalm* "I'm guessing you actually mean fetus. And my answer would be, not necessarily."
=>interesting..
so, when does killing an unborn baby (fetus) not cause it harm?
As a starter, when it has no central nervous system. No self-awareness and no sensation of pain = no harm.
But you're still deflecting, aren't you. Trying to mask you bigotry of other's by just deflecting. Typical.
Jesus, Chad you are obsessed with abortion. There's nothing in the goddamn article about it, just let it go for 5 minutes. You've become a parody of yourself
There is, however, much harm in forcing a mother to carry an unwanted fetus to term, for both the mother and the child.
Don't bother trying to have a sensible discussion with Chad. Get a box and go outside and collect a few rocks; arguing with that box and its contents will be more fulfilling.
@Harry Hippobottomus "That's the "perversion of the language" trick the right wing loves so much..."
@Chad "That's the "perversion of the language" trick the left wing loves so much..."
@Mass Debater " just don't try to legislate someone elses morality"
@Chad "really? we arent allowed to enact laws? using that standard, would anything be illegal?"
@*facepalm* "We should legislate against things that actually cause harm"
@Chad "does killing a baby cause it harm?"
@*facepalm* "...not neccessarily..."
@Chad "when?"
@*facepalm* "As a starter, when it has no central nervous system. No self-awareness and no sensation of pain = no harm."
@Chad "so.. depriving this unborn baby of the opportunity to continue living, is OK, as long as they arent aware of it, and dont feel it?"
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@*facepalm* There is, however, much harm in forcing a mother to carry an unwanted fetus to term, for both the mother and the child."
@Chad "hmm..
a. what harm is that to the child?
b. I suppose then that you are all for allowing a mother to terminate the life of a child at any point it becomes unwanted?
This is the short summary of Chad..
"I must assert my delusional god's will."
" just don't try to legislate someone elses morality"
=>really?
we arent allowed to enact laws?
using that standard, would anything be illegal?
"Morality: of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral atti.tudes."
A government has no business trying to decide whats "right & wrong" in a society, they do have the business deciding whats legal and illegal. Is going 90 miles per hour right or wrong? Is walking around naked in public right or wrong? Is buying or selling alcohol right or wrong? The answer to all of those questions is "neither!" they are not right or wrong, good or bad. Now some are legal and some illegal, but that has nothing to do with right & wrong. Law's making something illegal are most often based on whether the activity would be depriving another citizen of their freedom, speed limits imposed so you don't take someones freedom to live in relative safety from high speed out of control vehicles, public nudity is banned because it deprives others the freedom to walk in public without being distracted or disgusted.
So Chad, it comes down to this, support traditional marriage all you want. Say how wonderful it is and great for you and your family, that's fine. But when you cross the line and start attacking others denying them the same rights you enjoy all because they have a different s.e.xual preference than you, then you are the bigot who is not supporting traditional marriage but shamefully attacking another persons rights which makes you the undesirable that should get up and fvcking move to some less tolerant nation like Iran.
Chad – what harm does gay marriage do. Why will you not answer that question.
@Chad "so.. depriving this unborn baby of the opportunity to continue living, is OK, as long as they arent aware of it, and dont feel it?"
--I hope you don't step on ants. You deprive them of a right to life as well. I also hope you're a vegan. -
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@*facepalm* There is, however, much harm in forcing a mother to carry an unwanted fetus to term, for both the mother and the child."
@Chad "hmm..
a. what harm is that to the child?
b. I suppose then that you are all for allowing a mother to terminate the life of a child at any point it becomes unwanted?
a. Really? You need me to spell out to you the mental pain of an unwanted child is? Or a child unnecessarily living in poverty? There's no pain there? Oooookay.
b. Really? You clearly didn't pay ANY attention to what I originally wrote, unless you think that a child – not a fetus – doesn't have a central nervous system.
Stick the the point Chad – WHAT HARM DOES GAY MARRIAGE DO? Sorry for the all caps, but you obviously keep missing the question and getting off topic
@Mass Debater "A government has no business trying to decide whats "right & wrong" in a society, they do have the business deciding whats legal and illegal."
@Chad "ah.. ok, so then you are acknowledging that right. I assume that you are also acknowledging that it is every citizens right to petition their representatives to enact laws?
We have after all a representative government. right?
so I have the right to petition that govt to enact laws I feel should be enacted, right? Same as you, right?
question: do we have the right to stop someone from petitioning the govt?
"question: do we have the right to stop someone from petltioning the govt?"
No. But we also have the right to call someone that is petltioning to reinstltute black slavery a racist and a bigot, or someone who is denying gay's rights just an ignorant bigot like yourself.
@Chad "what harm is [carrying an unwanted child to term] to the child?
@*facepalm* " Really? You need me to spell out to you the mental pain of an unwanted child is? Or a child unnecessarily living in poverty? There's no pain there? Oooookay."
@Chad "ah.. ok, so you have decided on behalf of the child that it is better off dead than being born to a mother that didnt want it, or if it would be born into a poor family.
interesting.
for a person that doesnt like the notion of God, you sure like to play the part..
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@*facepalm* There is, however, much harm in forcing a mother to carry an unwanted fetus to term, for both the mother and the child."
@Chad "I suppose then that you are all for allowing a mother to terminate the life of a child at any point it becomes unwanted?
@*facepalm* "Really? You clearly didn't pay ANY attention to what I originally wrote, unless you think that a child – not a fetus – doesn't have a central nervous system."
@Chad "hmm, i think you lost track of the question. You claim there is much harm to a baby if the mother doesnt want it.. So then you would favor giving the mother the right to kill any unwanted children? Why restrict the exercising of that right to before it is born?
Chad: What. Harm. Does. Gay. Marriage. Do?
@facepalm – "What. Harm. Does. Gay. Marriage. Do?"
Chad is not ignoring the question because he thinks you won't like the answer, he's avoiding it because he doesn't have an answer.
@*facepalm* "Chad: What. Harm. Does. Gay. Marriage. Do?"
@Chad "I am not in favor of changing the current legal definition of marriage to include same sex marriage.
It is my right to hold that opinion and lobby the govt to keep the existing legal definitions in place.
I have that right, you cant take that right away, name call away! I really dont care 😉
why am I not in favor?
I'm not, I dont have to make any case to anyone as to why.
Just like you dont have to make a case to me as to why you are.
We are both allowed to hold opinions. This is the USA.
While I vehemently disagree with Chad's position, I actually have more respect for "I'm against it and I'm not saying why." than for "I'm against it because my imaginary friends, who I believe in because my partents indoctrinated me into a religious cult at a young age without my permission, say it is a sin." response.
So the long and short is:
Chad – I hate gay marriage.
facepalm – what harm does gay marriage do?
chad – it doesn't matter if it does no harm, I just hate gay marriage.
I think the long and the short of it is more accurately summarized thus: atheists feel it is vitally important to allow same sex marriage, and to allow a mother the right to kill her unborn child.
which is, in a word, appalling.
700,000+ believers per year in the USA actually get an abortion. Believers can significantly reduce the number of abortions if they just follwed their cult's rules, no changes in any law required.
incorrect Chad
I have a real problem with abortion as a form of birth control, but I have no problem with gay people.
I have been an atheist my entire life.
I've noticed you like to jump to conclusions so I figured I'd correct you again.
@Who invited me?: "incorrect Chad "I have a real problem with abortion as a form of birth control, but I have no problem with gay people. I have been an atheist my entire life.I've noticed you like to jump to conclusions so I figured I'd correct you again."
=>far enough, you are correct.. it's a leap to assume all atheists think that way. AND as well, many "Christians" have abortions..
so, the long and short of it is this: Anyone that simultaneously feels it's ok for a mother to kill an unborn child, and to allow same sex marriage, has their priorities and morals completely inverted. An appalling human being
First, why are you trying to equate gay with abortion? I know Harry Hippo brought it up but you are now combining the two as some equal affront to humanity and you have yet to point out one way in which being gay is harmful, you just keep going back to "How is killing a baby not harmful" argument. This means you are either stupid or a liar or both. My guess is both.
Second, my original point was not to say support for traditional marriage is wrong, I was saying that attacks on non-traditional marriage is prejudiced and bigoted and offensive to other Americans who have as much right to practice their own marriages as you do. So just admit that you like being a bigot and you don't care about people who don't believe in the same God as you do and you would prefer to attack non-traditional marriage. Just don't call it "support" of traditional marriage when it's not.
@Mass Debater "First, why are you trying to equate gay with abortion?"
@Chad "I dont equate them, it's just an observation that the majority of atheists support gay marriage and support killing unborn babies."
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@Mass Debater " you have yet to point out one way in which being gay is harmful,"
@Chad "I do not consider being gay any more or less sinful than many sinful activities that I engage in. I have absolutely nothing "against" people who are gay, at the same time I am absolutely opposed to changing the law to include gay marriage.
End of story.
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@Mass Debater "Second, my original point was not to say support for traditional marriage is wrong, I was saying that attacks on non-traditional marriage is prejudiced and bigoted and offensive to other Americans who have as much right to practice their own marriages as you do.
@Chad "right? They have a "right" to have gay marriage endorsed by the state? Who/what is granting them that right??
Governments are insti tuted to enforce rights, those rights are granted by God.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are insti tuted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed The Declaration of Independence, July 4 1776
Again, Chard, where does it say that the Creator is the god you worship? Never says God at all. And the DOI has no legal standing. The Const itution does and it never mentions 'god' at all.
Get it through your thick skull.
" that all men are created equal," And I guess that part only applies to "men" you have deemed worthy by their adherence to your specific deity? Even when our founders chose to make no founding of any State religion? Specifically forbade it in fact. You like to cherry pick the law and history as much as you do your own religion. Sad Chad, sad sad Chad...
You are welcome to hold to your beliefs, that's your right, just like others of your bigoted ilk hold to their racism and se.xism. I'm just glad your kind are dying off and slowly becoming fewer in number every day so soon the world might be rid of imagined lines and barriers that continue to divide us.
Personally, I think that the Declaration of Independence is one of the most amazing docs in history. You are free to think otherwise of course.
I do agree with you on one thing, "separation between Church & State" does indeed refer to preventing the state from establishing a state religion (it was never intended to keep an acknowledgement of the God of Abraham out of our government).
Your "amazement" at the DOI is irrelevant. The DOI has NO legal bearing in this nation. NONE. The Consti tution does and it never once mentions God.
Figure it out, Chard.
Chad, please provide supporting evidence (i.e. proof) that "those rights are granted by god."
@Chad, I guess if you want to hold on to your bigotry and hatred and seek to oppress others and deny them the same rights that you have, that's your prerogative. Fortunately, as just about any study has shown, you'll soon be on the losing side of history. When to seek to oppress others' and deny rights for no rational reason, you tend to lose.
I commend your effort in a continued effort to deflect from your bigotry and try to make the argument into something completely different. You are at least persistent.
I tend to stick with reality more.. It's easier than continually attempting to re-write history.
Please Google: "correlation of moral decline and demise of empires"
no eyes to see or hear His truth blotted out for eternity personal worm that feeds off of you for eternity liar against His truth
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Amen
HeavenSent is just an empty shell – mostly emotions of hate and not much else. You can see her empty world through the emotions she spews.
All about 'wants and need' to be away from people who she despises. All about the want of death to end up with her delusion. Thinking always "when will I be saved from this horrid life."
Plead for death HeavenSent or just commit suicide.
Answer, the crazy thing is that HeavenSent's post are just the mirror of some of the post we see from Atheist. That she is frustrating the Atheist core is in some ways hilarious. Do you feel the same with a few radical Atheist make very similar post?
Standing in the Middle, often times it is hard to tell which extremist are which because intolerance is running on both sides. Also,do not wish death on anyone, rise above them, challenge them.
@Mark from Middle
"Standing in middle" funny as hell.
Yes, no, maybe. Yeah that's you. What you want to say to yourself is "I will not get involved because I might get emotional and lose it."
That is you in the corner wondering when do I get out of the corner. "If only I can contribute, but I don't know how."
i won't stand in the way of death. Religions needs to die for the world's sake.
"That she is frustrating the Atheist core is in some ways hilarious"
She isn't frustrating anything. We just like mocking insane jesustards.
It's funny.
@Fake Fake Troll
I agree with Fake Fake troll.
Chick-fil-A.
lol, that's what I call my rocket
@Cleveland
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Amen
This saddens me. Not because of what this business is doing. It saddens me because Christians are known more for what they are against, instead of what they are for. I believe this is Christian problem, as opposed to a perception problem of those not of the faith.
Christians should be known for the loving things that Jesus taught. Peace, love, kindness, gentleness, meekness of spirit, service, and humility. Instead Christians are known for their dismissal of others and hatred of those who do not believe the same way they do.
So to this community, for those who view Christians in this light, I apologize for actions and statements that made you feel this way.
Hmmmm....Well thanks DamianKnight. Who knew there were good Christians that practice what they preach. I wish there were more like you.
@Damian
Christians are dumb, plain and simple.
@AO
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Amen
@ Damien Knight
Though you may be right to a certain extent, you have to admit that a few of the reasons why Christians are looked at the wrong way (besides the ones that give a bad example of Christianity) is because of the media itself. Take Kirk Cameron for instance. He went on the Piers Morgan show to promote his new doc u mentary and what did Piers so kindly do? He backed him into a corner asking him about his gay marriage position. You mean to tell me Piers did not know what Kirk's Christian stance would be??? And the same goes on with many others. Remember the beauty pageant contestant Ms. Carrie Prejean and the "honest" question she was asked about gay marriage. She gave an honest reply and look what happened. Anyway, there's no end to this issue so no sense in empty arguing.
Damian, while I agree with you Christians are just humans and what you, me, or Rev Terry Jones believes Christians should be like or do, is not agreed on by all Christians. All of us will read the Holy text and will get varying views of what God's path for us is. For every so many ant-LGBT articles there are stories of openly Gay and Lesbian clergy and church leaders. So even on this small issue there are Gay and Lesbians within the Christian Community.
Mark from Middle River
And, in 20 or so years, there will be so many that few will even remember the days when their presence was even questioned, right? Most of Christianity will evolve to accept gay marriage, and branches that do not adapt will either need to find new territory, or face extinction.
@Answer: My pleasure.
@religion: You are silly.
I agree with Fake Troll.
No! I agree with Fake Troll....you can't agree Fake Troll, because I was here first!
One does not eat somewhere bcause of the owner 's religious belief. I eat there because of the food and service. Now should every Mexican, Chinese, Peruvian, kosher etc restaurant have to post their religious and social opinions next to their health department rating? Jeez!
I think I got food poisoning at the chick-fil-a I ate at with Jesus last week. Course, I think that in today's day and age, it's sad to not stand up for what you believe...so if you think hate is ok, then go ahead and eat at chick-fil-a, or are you just a Pisces? Cause I know they are really contrary just to be contrary.
I have never actually eaten at a Chick-Fil-A, is it good? I just never went there because I don't want to conrtibue to their immoral culture.
A company that is open to the public.. espousing a religious doctrine of hate. You want your fillet from them and treat it as food, but their ACTION and WORDS want more.
Use your brains and find the fault where the fault begins. The very moment a public/business overtly promote their agenda of hate is one that doesn't deserve it's business.
Alien... Chick-fil-a ...is so good that I do not think that they will lose that many Gay and Lesbian customers over their stance on Gay Marriage. Some might even appeal to their restaurants being closed on Sunday because some are Christan and Gay at the same time. 🙂
Tony,
No one is telling Chick-Fil-A to make their opinions known. They offered it to the public. They made the statement. They take the stand that they will be closed on Sundays. And, that is their choice.
To be fair and honest, any business I encounter who espouses hate or pushes it's religious views (no matter what those views are, even if they agree with mine) is not a business I will support with my dollars (with the exception of a store that is specifically in business to support a particular faith, such as a religious supply store or bookstore).
@Tony, would you eat at a Al Qeada-run restaurant if they had good burgers?
Don't be ashamed OnWhatBasis...I'm a muslim too, but I love to make christians look bad by posing as one and making everyone else angry! LOL!
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Amen
Phony heavensent, still no eyes to see or hear His truth no matter how His truth gets posted. Rest assure, you won't be blotted out for eternity, you get your own personal worm that feeds off of you for eternity for being a liar against His truth.
Hold on HS, I am taking notes.....
no eyes to see or hear His truth
blotted out for eternity
personal worm that feeds off of you for eternity
liar against His truth.
The christian stupidity:
"Look here in my book it says I can hate these people.. therefore it is my right. It must be truth because it is in my book."
Morons.
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Amen
HS the bible is nothing but the words of men trying to control populations, while other men edited the book to make money and have power. They are not the words of god, nor were these men inspired by god, they only said they were. We've been through this yet you still have a hard time comprehending.
As you can see by my uncontrolled babbling of meaningless words (that I actually use in therapy here at the psychiatric ward to describe myself) I am really messed up! Wow, I wish these meds would kick in!
@religion
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Amen
congratulations, you can copy and paste your own posts. You are so much smarter than anyone here. Thank you for continuing to make ALL christians look terrible.
Fake HaevenSent.. doing a fine job at your role.
Congrats. Pi$$ on the religious – continue on.
Of course there aren't any fake people on here, I just have about 20 different usernames I post under after I've made someone really mad with one, I switch to another. ROFL!
weak minded, you prove what a bunch of fools non-believers are for writing to the phony heavensent. LOL.
Answer, just by writing your filth proves you follow the lies in the talmud.
Oh do scream louder (the real) HeavenSent. Your kind's death will come along promptly enough and for the world it will be great.
Gotcha! I was just kidding, Christians are idiots.
Fake troll of a thousand stolen names...you have grown most tiresome.
@Who invited me?
I am a bad 'ol bear.
Hey fella, are you really a bear?
Who invited me?....why do you keep calling yourself a fake troll? You are really confusing me! I thought trolls were make-believe...like Jesus. Well, I think I'd rather believe in Trolls than jesus...
I'm a bear...wanna meet up?
Sweet bear butt.
Fake troll of a thousand stolen names...you have grown most tiresome.
It will be nice when school starts.
OnWhatBasis, keep writing your insults against Jesus' truth because you follow the man-made lies of the talmud.
I have taken in Jesus' Truth. I got most of it, but some of it leaked out on my chin