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July 22nd, 2012
03:00 AM ET

Muslim Olympians wrestle with Ramadan dilemma

By Richard Allen Greene and Aroub Abdelhaq, CNN

London (CNN)– Olympic judo competitor Hemeed Al Drie plans to sin during the Games in London, he admits with a grin.

"God is merciful and compassionate, even when our sins are many," said Al Drie, kneeling on a mat while martial artists hurled each other to the floor around him.

Al Drie's sin isn't what you might expect. It's that he is planning to eat and drink while the sun is up during the Olympics, even thought the Games fall smack in the middle of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Observant Muslims are supposed to fast during Ramadan, abstaining from all food and drink, even water, during daylight hours, then eating and drinking after sundown. Fasting for the month is a major religious obligation, one of the Five Pillars of Islam.

But Al Drie, 19, knows that fasting on days when he has up to six judo matches against the world's best competitors would doom his chances of winning.

"If you don't eat and you enter a competition, you might faint," he said. That would lead to instant elimination.

So Al Drie is going to stick to his normal competition diet.

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"Maybe some people will fast, and that's good for them. But for me, I can't risk losing any of my matches," he said.

Al Drie, who is from the United Arab Emirates, isn't alone in facing the Ramadan dilemma. It's not clear exactly how many Muslim athletes are competing in the Olympics this year, but more than one in five people around the world - about 23% - is Muslim, according to estimates by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

Religious experts in Saudi Arabia determine the starting date of Ramadan each year based on the phase of the moon.

Muslim athletes face a particular challenge because there are so many hours of daylight in London during the Games, says sports nutritionist Hala Barghout.

"It's a 17-hour fast in London. It's not like here in the Middle East," said Barghout, from the United Arab Emirates.

It is "physically impossible" for a world-class athlete to stuff as much food as they need into their body during the seven hours of darkness that remain, she said.

"How much can a person eat in one meal? You can't have, say, 3,000 or 4,000 calories in one meal. You need time to digest," she said. Three thousand calories is the amount that the U.S. government recommends that an active man in his 20s eat in an entire day.

Explain it to me: Ramadan

But one of the leading Islamic religious leaders in the Middle East says Muslims competing in the Olympics should observe the daytime fast, regardless of how it affects their performance.

"Playing sports is not a requirement in Islam. Players become athletes by choice. This optional activity, therefore, does not allow athletes to break their fast," said Ahmed Abdul Aziz Al Haddad, the grand mufti of Dubai.

Muslim athletes must also observe the fast because they are representing Islam at the Olympics, Al Haddad said.

"They must be ambassadors of their faith," he said. "Meaning that Islam must be present in their actions, and they do not fall into anything that Islam forbids."


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Competitors may eat or drink if fasting is threatening their health, he said.
"If a person feels extreme fatigue, sharia allows him to break his fast. Sharia is flexible," he said, using the Arabic word for Islamic law.

"But to immediately break your fast without being hungry or thirsty is the same as submitting to your cravings and lusts, and not putting God's desire before your own," the religious scholar argued.

Not all Muslim authorities agree with Al Haddad.

British Olympic rower Moe - for Mohamed - Sbihi has discussed the problem with his imam, and decided not to fast during the Games.

He plans to feed 1,800 hungry people in Morocco after the Games as compensation for not fasting during the holy month, and will observe a fast later.

"It was a hard decision for me to make," said Sbihi, who was born in Britain to an English mother and Moroccan father.

"When I first started rowing as a youngster, I said that I'd be fasting regardless," he said.

But over time he changed his mind. He did his university dissertation on fasting in sports, and consulted family, friends and coaches in Morocco and Britain before making his decision, he said.

British rower Mohamed 'Mo' Sbihi.

"In the end it felt like I was making the right decision for me, and that's to postpone my fast, to make it up at a later date," he said.

Sbihi has been considering the Ramadan dilemma for years, since it became clear that the 2012 Games would fall during the holy month. They usually don't. The Muslim calendar follows the moon, so Ramadan falls during different seasons in different years.

Members of the London committee organizing the Games this year noted it was not their decision to hold them during Ramadan - the International Olympic Committee sets the date.

The IOC pointed out that the Games "bring together virtually every religion and creed. ... How to deal with religious practices is up to each athlete and his/her personal beliefs."

Sandrine Tonge, a spokeswoman for the IOC, said different countries and individuals deal with the question differently.

"Some countries, like Egypt, for example, issue fatwas exempting athletes from the need to fast when competing," she said, using the Arabic word for a Muslim religious ruling. "At the end, religious practice is a matter for individual conscience."

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The London organizers pointed out that major international sports events have taken place during Ramadan before, including the Singapore Youth Olympic Games in 2010.

Dining facilities in the Olympic Village will be open 24 hours a day, and athletes observing Ramadan will be able to order "break-of-fast packs that will include water, nutritional bars and fruit," the organizing committee says.

Even with those provisions in place, and with the Games beginning in just days, Khadijah Fahed Mohammed hasn't decided whether she will fast.

The 17-year-old weightlifter is the first woman from the United Arab Emirates ever to qualify for the Games.

Her nutritionist has put together a plan for her to consume 5,000 calories a day - more than twice as much as an active woman her age should normally eat, according the U.S. guidelines.

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She's torn between her obligation to fast and her desire to win.

"Both are important to me. Fasting is a must," she said, even as she recognizes the importance of her first time in the Olympics.

"This is our chance. Ramadan just happened to be at the same time as the competition, so no one knows what to do. Should we fast or not?" she asked.

Her coach says she should.

"Many competitions have taken place during Ramadan," said Nagwan El-Zawawi. "I am not convinced you can break your fast. I mean, fasting is a must. There are no excuses."

But judo competitor Al Drie doesn't believe that.

"God is with me wherever I go, whether I fast or not," he insisted. "The most important thing is to have faith in God and give it your best and thank God, whether you win or lose."

CNN's Christina Macfarlane, Mohammed Jamjoom, Jon Jensen and Nima Elbagir contributed to this report.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Belief • Islam • Ramadan • Uncategorized

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  1. independentlyowned

    What's really funny, when I lived in a Muslim country, I asked my friends why they fasted and they couldn't even tell me why. They said it was very important to do, but had no idea why. They told me what Ramadan was (the month that the Prophet received his revelations) but not why fasting was important. Anyone here know??

    July 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • dalewalk

      Suffice to say it's just like any other religion, like Catholics who once thought it was a sin to eat meat on Friday. It makes no sense and most 'religious' people just bend the rules to suit their desires anyway. I can do anything I want and commit many sins; all I need do is make sure I get to a confessional booth before I die and abra kadabra...I'm in heaven.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Arvoasitis

      Whatever its spiritual purpose, it does remind Muslims that there are poor people who do not get to eat or drink every day.

      July 25, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
  2. b4bigbang

    Anyone who says science has proven there's no free will is feeding you a load of baloney.
    Read the entire article on wikipedia and you'll see:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will#

    July 24, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
  3. Rocky

    Ahhh DUH!! How about fasting after the Olympics are over...does it matter ? Or is Allah that strict??

    July 24, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  4. KPL

    Let them eat soup!
    Then it can be TopRamenDan!

    July 24, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
  5. nmm

    simple solution-most muslim athletes are travellers &thus need not fast at this time otherise hardsip is reason enough to make up later

    July 24, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  6. Ka Boom

    Islam is a religion of pieces (if you count the various body parts of the victims, the destroyed buildings etc.)

    July 24, 2012 at 10:14 am |
  7. Rainer Braendlein

    Doesn't Ramadan show us the backwardness of Islam? Is their "fasting" meaningful?

    Of course, fasting is actually a good thing, but the Arabic Impostor (Muhammad) ordered a fasting which has nothing to do with right fasting.

    Right fasting, according to the intentions of Jesus, the Son of God, simply means to eat less or to eat modestly. Of course, sometimes a Christian can voluntarily eat nothing for some days, if he wants to gain again control of his body or if he has a serious prayer request. Seemingly, the more a Christian "neglects" his body concerning food the more the Holy Spirit prevails. Yet, it is crucial to eat little altogether; that is much more important than to eat nothing at all some days. The sinful body is the enemy of the Spirit and the more we don't feed him the more the Spirit will rule us.

    What about Ramadan?

    Ramadan is a distorted fasting. First, they don't really fast, but only eat nothing by daylight. At dark they fill their stomaches up to a maximum which is not very healthy. Possibly during Ramadan a Muslim eats more altogether and on average than during the rest of the year, because his carnal desires like gluttony increase at Ramadan.

    Furthermore, fasting is only meaningful, when someone has yet received the Holy Spirit by faith and baptism. If someone who has not yet received the Spirit fasts, he will only incite his carnal desires like gluttony.

    Hence, Muslims should at first believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and receive the Spirit. After that they may start to fight against their sinful body and weaken it by fasting.

    We cannot earn God's favour by fasting. We gain God's favour by faith and baptism. After that fasting is meaningful, but not before.

    Ramadan is absolutely meaningless, it only increases the malaise of the Muslims.

    July 24, 2012 at 6:35 am |
    • sam stone

      It's not meaningless to Muslims, Rainy

      July 24, 2012 at 6:45 am |
    • sam stone

      You have no more authority to speak for god than anyone else, you teutonic closet queen

      July 24, 2012 at 6:50 am |
    • Which God??

      Rabid Rainey= Flake.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Moreh

      As a Christian, I don't think fasting a month is necessary to win favor from God. But I can understand the dilemma these athletes face between competing with adequate nutrition and following their religion. If some of these athletes choose fasting at the risk of losing, I can only respect them.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • ChariotsofFire

      I believe God honors those who honor Him publicly. If the Muslim God is real, the physically impossible will be possible on a holy month as Ramadan. Let him compete without sinning to bring glory to Allah.

      "Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? Of course not!" – Romans 6:1

      July 25, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
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  9. dude its me

    viva islam .......long live islam and peace....not killing of people and wars.and people that dont know what theyre talking about.. there are 1.5 billion muslims in the world if they wanted to kill or blow up people there will be no body alive in this earth no more......

    July 24, 2012 at 1:36 am |
  10. a theist

    Out of 983 comments, 90% of them are hate filled atheists. That’s why I must mention the following
    Lenin an atheist
    The Cheka, the Russian acronym for the Extraordinary Commission for the Struggle against Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, was established on December 7, 1917, as the government's instrument of terror in its fight against political enemies. When Lenin was badly injured in a failed assassination attempt on August 30, 1918, his government quickly responded with the September 5, 1918, announcement of a policy of Red Terror that would take the form of arrests, imprisonments, and murders, triggering a civil war. Historian Richard Pipes has estimated that the Russian Civil War claimed two million combat deaths, two million deaths from epidemics, and five million deaths from famine. Another two million or more, mostly drawn from the bettereducated classes, fled in the face of the violence. Their departure drained the country of its already small pool of experienced leaders, managers, and entrepreneurs. The final death toll of the Russian Civil War exceeded the eight million deaths of World War I......

    Stalin Mao tse tsung atheists :
    DECEMBER 21, 1879–MARCH 5, 1953] Russian revolutionary and politician; successor to Lenin as ruler of the Soviet Union and head of the Communist Party (1929 to 1953)One of the bloodiest despots in modern history, Joseph Stalin helped transform the Soviet Union into a military and industrial superpower, but at a staggering cost in human lives and suffering. In the words of scholar Stephen Cohen, Stalin's rule was a "holocaust by terror" that "victimized tens of millions of people for twenty-five years."
    The arrest of Pinochet in 2000 brings up the issue of which other leaders should be or should have been tried for atrocities committed during their rule. Here is a tentative list of modern mass murderers and the estimated number of people killed by their orders (excluding armies they were formally at war with). In Stalin's and Mao's cases, one has to decide how to consider the millions who died indirectly because of their political decisions. The Chinese cultural revolution caused the death of 30 million people (source: the current Chinese government), but many died of hunger. Stalin is responsible for the death of 17 million Russians, but only half a million were killed by his order. ….

    Adolf hitler 12 to 45 million deaths

    Hiroshima Nagasaki (American) millions dead cities destroyed

    Vietnam by Americans: : millions of deaths destruction of poor country

    Pol pot Cambodia 1,700,000

    The Catastrophes brought about by the Darwinist-Fascist Mussolini & Franco was also not religious person

    Note: 99% of majot holocaust have occurred by non religious atheist .many dictators are never religious people ….they misused it to cover up their atrocities.

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    All the above monsters were very ordinary people (like any atheists over here) before they became devils. To destroy belief in god of ordinary faithful, these atheists became horrible Satans.

    But history says they are losers....hatred never touches the heart of ordinary/common people... The beauty of Islam is spreading in the heart of positive thinkers. But haters spend time doing what they do over here. They spew out venomous thoughts and feel happy being serpents having sick and poisonous thinking mind.

    July 24, 2012 at 1:07 am |
    • Which God??

      No hate involved, flako. We just don't believe in make-believe gods who control their supposed progeny with dire threats if they don't conform. "Love me or die. and forever be in the pits of hell and fire. Yeah sure. We just like to poke ho;es in your stories and 'facts.' No hate, just logic, and you can't stand that, can you? Your only recourse is to attack and call it hate.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:23 am |
  11. Ken Margo

    To each his/her own. I have no problem because these individuals are not forcing THEIR beliefs on us like republicans, extremist Christians and Imams.

    July 23, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Apatheist

      You only think that because they are not the majority in this country. This also leads to a lot of Christians saying that atheists only "persecute" them. That is actually true in the US... but it is only due to their proximity.

      July 23, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
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  13. phoodphite

    Topher

    "Interesting. What about the NT is dangerous?"

    Well, especially everything by that politician self-appointed apostle Paul mainly. Gee – I wonder what Catholics would have would have been like if Paul hadn't written down all that rubbish? Hmm – maybe we wouldn't be killing people by telling them not to use contraception, and we might not have so many supposed men of god abusing children, and women would play a larger role in church, and some wars could have been avoided to name a few things.

    July 23, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  14. Madtown

    "They must be ambassadors of their faith," he said. "Meaning that Islam must be present in their actions
    -------–
    Well, maybe just for this short time, they should also be ambassadors of logic and level-headed thinking. The Olympics are a once in a lifetime opportunity for many of these athletes. It would be a shame for man-made religious principles to get in the way of them producing their optimal performance. Afterall, God blessed them with the talents they have for their particular sport, I'm sure God wants his creations to utilize the talents he gave them, regardless of whatever religious traditions human beings have created and adopted.

    July 23, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  15. Ka Boom

    This is the sound that muslims fav activity makes. Yeah, if there was a s uicide b omb involved then the perp gets to have 72 virgins in the next world.

    July 23, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
  16. Mohamed Kamal

    Damn! The things i read in these comments are just amazing. If I'm to guess i would say that a lot of the people commenting here actually believe what they are saying, even though they also believe that these comments are too hateful, and too ignorant to be said out loud in public. God bless the internet! Lets just hope this is simply a dark phase for humanity because I have just read a dozen pages of proof that things aren't looking so good.

    July 23, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Reality

      Mohamed, Mohamed, Mohamed,

      This time read the following very carefully:

      A solution to the problem in less than two minutes for those Muslims who are not suffering from the Three B Syndrome i.e. Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Islam.

      From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi--–

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
      be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism

      July 23, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "Other stuff, like the clothing and what to eat, were for those people at that time."
      Why do you say that? What did Jesus do to eliminate the ban on mixed fabrics? Or did Peter have a "vision" of that too?
      My point about the law of altars and servants was to say that there is little or no distinction given in Exodus between them. Why is the "law concerning servants" not just as valid as the "the ten commandments"?
      And, where are these supposed 3 categories coming from?

      July 23, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • ME II

      post above was misposted

      July 23, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      dear Reality belief in Mother Nature is belief in the natural so saying yo shouldn't believe in mother nature is like saying don't believe in gravity,..opps that also Mother Nature Gaia does not equal Allah Yahweh Zeus or any other gods. the belief in mother nature is also the belief in science,.. because well she "is",...everything in the natural universe including to and not limited to you and your computer,.. you might as well say the air doesn't exist or evolution is fewee because guess what shes that to

      July 23, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      guess what she also created all gods,...you cant beat an ever changing goddess like Gaia she created your neurons and is your neurons

      July 23, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

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      July 23, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Reality

      Sam, Sam, Sam,

      Reread the comments again. Mother Nature is to be added to the list of your gods and the better of the gods actually.

      July 24, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • Mohamed Kamal

      Hey Reality
      You really don't have to posy if you can't find a thing to say.
      Are ou going to reply with the same message again?

      July 24, 2012 at 1:58 am |
    • Reality

      And why aren't things looking so good?

      A number of reasons:

      As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

      24) Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:18am EDT

      BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive-packed car outside a Shi'ite Muslim office in central Baghdad on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding more than 190 in an attack bearing the hallmarks of Iraq's al Qaeda affiliate.

      The bombing on a Shi'ite religious office comes at a sensitive time, with the country's fractious Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs locked in a crisis that threatens to unravel their power-sharing deal and spill into sectarian tensions."

      25) BURGAS, Bulgaria | Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27am EDT

      (Reuters) – A suicide bomber carried out an attack that killed seven people in a bus transporting Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the interior minister said on Thursday, and Israel said Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants were to blame.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:04 am |
  17. mhill1234

    In the past at the Olympics, whenever there was a religious conflict, the athlete just sat out.
    Of course, to be politically correct we should reschedule the Olympics.
    Not like anyone cares anymore.
    Badmitten at the Olympics, are you kidding?

    July 23, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      It's a good thing so that they're not PC.

      July 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  18. phoodphite

    Well I've not seen them put out beans or mushrooms for breakfast, but my experiences at a Ramada have been pretty good. I'm just saying.

    July 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  19. Topher

    Good morning! If anyone has a theological question about Christianity, please feel free to ask ...

    July 23, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Who invited me?

      What does Christianity have to do with muslims fasting around ramadan?

      July 23, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • Topher

      They are both beliefs.

      July 23, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • ME II

      If a Muslim committed no sin would Christ still send him/her to hell?

      July 23, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Topher

      Do you know of such a person? Someone with no sin?

      July 23, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      That wasn't the question and you asked for a "theological" question, not a practical/actual one.

      July 23, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Topher

      Well you give an impossible scenario, is my point. A muslim cannot have no sin because the simple fact he is a muslim he is breaking the first and second commandments.

      July 23, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • just sayin

      Topher one person's sin to you is not a sin to another. You sin comes from a God copied and made up. But we already know you do not let things like fact and evidence get in the way of faith. Faith is required where there is no credible evidence. The evidence is in though. lol

      July 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "Well you give an impossible scenario, is my point. A muslim cannot have no sin because the simple fact he is a muslim he is breaking the first and second commandments."

      I'm sorry, which 2 commandments were those? Wikipedia references three numbering schemes across two books in the OT, to which are you referring?

      If you are referring to these:
      "1. You shall have no other gods before me.
      2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image,..."
      a) Muslims claim to worship the God of Abraham, just like Christians, how is that a sin?
      b) Muslims are even more restrictive on iconography than Christians, e.g. no pictures of Muhammad, how is that a sin?

      In addition, doesn't the NT supersede the 10 Commandment with the 2 Great Commandments, i.e. Love God... and Love others as thyself... ? How is a Muslim sinning against those?

      July 23, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Topher

      " a) Muslims claim to worship the God of Abraham, just like Christians, how is that a sin?"

      Because they reject the rest of it. The God of Abraham is also Jesus Christ.

      " b) Muslims are even more restrictive on iconography than Christians, e.g. no pictures of Muhammad, how is that a sin?"

      It is a sin because you can also make an idol in you mind ... as in making a god to suit yourself. So anything they hold to not found in the Bible is an idol.

      "In addition, doesn't the NT supersede the 10 Commandment with the 2 Great Commandments, i.e. Love God... and Love others as thyself... ? How is a Muslim sinning against those?"

      What Jesus was saying in the NT about these "great commandments" isn't superceding anything. He is just taking them a step further, if you will. Love God and love others as youself is a reference to the first commandment, which is also to love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength.

      July 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Cal

      So how does the whole "age of accontability" thing work?

      July 23, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "The God of Abraham is also Jesus Christ."
      I don't recall this in the 10 commandments.

      Is it more important to love God or love a book?

      "Because they reject the rest of [the Bible]."
      "So anything they hold to [that is] not found in the Bible is an idol."
      That sounds alot like idolotry, of the Bible, to me.

      "What Jesus was saying in the NT about these 'great commandments' isn't superceding anything."
      So, the other 300+ (I think) commandments in Deuteronomy or Exodus are still valid, providing, of course, the situation in the commandment applies?

      July 23, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Topher

      Cal

      "So how does the whole "age of accontability" thing work?"

      Well, it probably is different for every person. This means that though a child is sinful (see any Chuck E. Cheese) some are just too young to understand they are sinning. So if they were to die at a young age, God's grace would cover them and they'd go to Heaven.

      July 23, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Topher

      ME II

      "Is it more important to love God or love a book?"

      God. But God is revealed in the Bible. So we love it. The Bible is there so we can know God.

      "That sounds alot like idolotry, of the Bible, to me."

      We don't worship the Bible.

      "So, the other 300+ (I think) commandments in Deuteronomy or Exodus are still valid, providing, of course, the situation in the commandment applies?"

      All of those laws can be divided up into 3 categories. ... the moral laws (commandments), priestly laws and laws for those people at that time. Only the moral laws continue in the new covenant.

      July 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Cal

      So Topher, in reference to "accountability", in your interpretation how does it work for an adult of sound mind who has never heard the word of Christ? Yes, I realize this would be an unlikely occurance today, but how about people in the Americas who would have gone more than 1400 years before the word crossed the atlantic? Unless of course Joseph Smith was not full of it.

      July 23, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Topher

      Cal
      That is indeed a tough question for me to answer. But it would have happened the same way it would happen to anyone else throughout time who never heard of Jesus Christ. God promises to reveal Himself to anyone who seeks Him. How does that work? No idea.

      July 23, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "All of those laws can be divided up into 3 categories. ... the moral laws (commandments), priestly laws and laws for those people at that time. Only the moral laws continue in the new covenant."
      What is the distinction between the ~10 Commandments (Ex 20:1-17) and the law of the alter just a few verses later (Ex 20:22-26)?

      July 23, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Topher

      Well, without going and reading those verses, I'm guessing it has to do with sacrifices. Jesus Christ was the final sacrifice. No others are needed now. So sacrificial laws have passed away with the old covenant.

      July 23, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, ghouls, goblins or guns

      Anyone else see a basic problem with "Good morning! If anyone has a theological question about Christianity, please feel free to ask ..." and Topher's responses? Seems to me us damned atheists are teaching him more about is fantasy world that he is teaching us. Topher, not only are you delusional, you are lazy! Get off your butt and do some personal research! Read something besides The Babble – which I doubt you have actually completed and thought about rationally.

      July 23, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      ... and the distinction between that and "The Law Concerning Servants" just a few verses later (Ex 21:1-17)?

      July 23, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • phoodphite

      Good afternoon! Sorry – no need to ask a question about Christianity since I view that religion as Linsanity without the Lin. I mean Jesus had a few decent ideas, but the bas*tar*dization of those ideas immediately following renders most of the NT useless and downright dangerous imho.

      July 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "I view that religion as Linsanity without the Lin."

      So you view it as sanity?

      July 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Madtown

      Topher
      Good morning! If anyone has a theological question about Christianity, please feel free to ask ...
      ------
      My question is: why do you think you're an authority on christian theology? Why do you continually ask if anyone has any questions, as if you're special enough to answer? You routinely get your backside handed to you in all these little sub-debates, and never properly answer the questions posed to you, without resorting to a scriptural quote anyway.

      July 23, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • phoodphite

      Tom Tom

      Thank you for catching that – I mean Linsanity without the 'L'.

      July 23, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Topher

      ME II

      As I said earlier ... "All of those laws can be divided up into 3 categories. ... the moral laws (commandments), priestly laws and laws for those people at that time. Only the moral laws continue in the new covenant."

      July 23, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Topher

      Madtown

      "My question is: why do you think you're an authority on christian theology?"

      I'm not sure I'd say I'm an authority. But all Christians are called to give an answer and to witness. That's what I'm trying to do.

      July 23, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "...can be divided up into 3 categories..."
      ... but why? What's the basis for this division?

      July 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Topher

      phoodphite

      "I mean Jesus had a few decent ideas, but the bas*tar*dization of those ideas immediately following renders most of the NT useless and downright dangerous imho."

      Interesting. What about the NT is dangerous?

      July 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Topher

      ME II

      "... but why? What's the basis for this division?"

      Simple answer: Jesus Christ. As I said there's three divisions. Jesus Christ was the sacrifice of the new covenant. So all priestly and sacrificial laws are fulfilled in Him. Other stuff, like the clothing and what to eat, were for those people at that time. For instance, Peter has the vision in the book of Acts where he is told that all things are clean to eat. That just leaves the moral law of the 10 Commandments. These are useful in that they show us that we can't be perfect, that we've all sinned and thus point to God's grace in Jesus Christ.

      July 23, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Madtown

      Topher
      I'm not sure I'd say I'm an authority. But all Christians are called to give an answer and to witness. That's what I'm trying to do.
      ------
      Yes, you do assert yourself as an authority. Why else would you ask if "anyone had any questions"? If you're just looking for discussion, why not post something like "Are there any christian theological topics we could all discuss together?" You're not an authority, you don't "answer" any of the questions posed to you. Stop acting as though you have all the answers. Also, christians are not "called" to witness, read Matthew 6. You are told not to display righteousness openly, and to pray in solitude.

      July 23, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "Other stuff, like the clothing and what to eat, were for those people at that time."
      Why do you say that? What did Jesus do to eliminate the ban on mixed fabrics? Or did Peter have a "vision" of that too?
      My point about the law of altars and servants was to say that there is little or no distinction given in Exodus between them. Why is the "law concerning servants" not just as valid as the "the ten commandments"?
      And, where are these supposed 3 categories coming from?

      (repost)

      July 23, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Topher

      And you've never heard of The Great Commission?

      July 23, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Madtown

      Topher
      And you've never heard of The Great Commission?
      ----–
      Very hotly debated, and not widely accepted to mean what you think it means. You're picking it to justify that which you want to be true.

      July 23, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • sam

      I have begun to suspect that Topher is a masochist.

      July 23, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • phoodphite

      Topher

      "Interesting. What about the NT is dangerous?"

      Well, especially everything by that politician self-appointed apostle Paul mainly. Gee – I wonder what Catholics would have would have been like if Paul hadn't written down all that rubbish? Hmm – maybe we wouldn't be killing people by telling them not to use contraception, and we might not have so many supposed men of god abusing children, and women would play a larger role in church, and some wars could have been avoided to name a few things.

      July 23, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Jess

      Topher – I commend you for taking a stand. It's not easy, but keep it up!

      July 23, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • just sayin

      "Interesting. What about the NT is dangerous?"
      .
      First we ahve to ask as what point does a delusion become dangerous?

      July 23, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
  20. Enoch

    What a difference can that make? The world doesn't know Muslims as people of the sport.

    What Muslims know is barring the International Olympic Committee from Honoring Israeli athletes who were murdered by Palestinian Muslims back in 1972

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/157926#.UA1o7HnSiBM

    July 23, 2012 at 10:13 am |
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