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Where was God in Aurora massacre?
Twelve crosses comprise a makeshift memorial near the Aurora, Colorado, movie theater, scene of last week’s mass shooting
July 24th, 2012
02:13 PM ET

Where was God in Aurora massacre?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Where was God in Aurora?

It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering, natural disasters or - if you believe in it - evil?

We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different responses.

“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.

That riled @TheTrivia Jockey, who tweeted, “If that was God's will, God is definitely not deserving of my worship.”

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

@trentpayne also took issue with the Colorado pastor: "I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Pastor. God gives free will to man, but it wasn't his will that they die."

The back-and-forth provoked other believers to chime in on the theological issue of God’s sovereignty vs. human free will, with many Christians seeking to explain how a sovereign God could preside over seemingly senseless bloodshed.

“It is not God's will or want that people died in Aurora,” wrote @GospelBluesman 20m. "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

The conversation and debate continued in the comments section of this post, with some insinuating that the massacre might be a kind of divine punishment, or at lease divine neglect:

Lenny
We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?

Jesse R
Liberals have made it impossible for God to be anywhere during the upbringing of a child. Can't have any religious connotations in schools, libraries, government offices, etc., etc. Young men (and women) are growing up with no real sense of right and wrong. ... We no longer have the right of religion, but rather the right from religion. Parents no longer have the ability to discipline their children. We are always looking for the excuses ... violent video games and movies, bad teachers and schools ... when we should be looking in the mirror. We as a society are the reasons these massacres happen. We have allowed our children to become social misfits that lead to the kind of carnage we have seen on several occasions since religion and God disappeared from what the Founding Fathers once said was a necessity of a successful democracy ... faith.

Lots of readers used religious takes on the shooting to challenge the whole idea of God:

Who invited me?
How do you know the people that were killed didn't go to hell?, and how exactly does any of this show there is a reason? Reason is obviously something that you have replaced with belief, and you threw out logic with it.

Kyle
"God doesn't exist, so he wasn't anywhere. Get over it. A man was evil, and he was evil because he was crazy.

Plenty of others said the shooting was the devil's work:

Harleyxx
Evil things like this happen because Satan is the god of this world ... for the time being. God will undo all the damage caused by Satan's rebellion and man's disobedience when the time is right. In the meantime we all experience trials and tribulation due to living in an ungodly world. That is why Jesus taught his followers the Lord's Prayer ... 'to pray for God's kingdom to come.'

What’s your take? Where was God in the Aurora massacre? Or do you feel that such tragedies are evidence for a godless universe?

Let us know in comments, and we’ll highlight the best ones.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: God • Violence

soundoff (10,690 Responses)
  1. JW

    A man in the 18th century can up with the theory of evolution. But we must remember that science has changed it’s mind on things over the centuries. And why are there so few so called human evolutionary fossils and most are only fragments? Shouldn’t we have more by now? After all there are tons of dinosaur fossils and they went extinct but humans survived.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • J.W

      I really don't think that evolution is so horrible. God could have caused evolution to happen. We may never know we were not there to see it.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • PAUL

      Sometimes We Have To Go Back To Go Forward!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPDirIhy5Zs

      July 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • elopez

      We actually have a ton of them, and citing a comparison with dino fossils is faulty, because dinosaours aren't a distinct species, they are millions of species in multiple epochs that ocurred within a dundreds-of-millions-of-years span, versus evolutionary traits of our ancestors in a window of just on species in pretty much just 50,000 to 2,000,000 years ago. Big difference. Learn some science.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • elopez

      And actually, we ARE there to see it. Antibiotic resistant bacteria, like MRSA or new strains of TB is evolution at work. There's your evidence.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • JMM

      You obviously do not understand evolution, math, history, or go to natural history museums. The evidence is overwhelming for evolution. Dinosaurs became extinct in a considerably short amount of time due to natural phenomena, therefore creating favorable conditions for fossil preservation. Further, Darwin was 19th not 18th century. Still to this day the world of Science has not been able to refute Darwin. There are some revisionists and young earth creationists (like yourself) that believe the devil came up from the depths of the earth and buried dinosaur bones to make us question. Which Im guessing you are believing. Do you also chase the ends of rainbows for pots of gold or still listen for that jingle of a sleigh on Dec 25th? Come on.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Why are we so worried about evolution? We can't cure the common cold, yet we worry about something that happened a trillion or so years ago. We should let it go. Every explanation is a theory in some ways.

      July 25, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  2. LoriC

    People...you are responsible for yourselves...stop trying to pass the buck to some supernatural being who was clearly man-created.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
  3. scott

    He was there. He was there comforting the ones that died, he was there protecrting the ones who lived.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Why didn't he comfort the ones that lived and protect the ones that died. that would make the most sense.

      July 25, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
  4. Shannon

    It's really amazing to read some of these comments. In the year 2012, it's difficult to comprehend that people are still sitting around arguing about what an imaginary, divine being is thinking or doing. It's like watching a bunch of pre-schoolers argue over whether it was Cinderella's stepmother's "will" that she fit the glass slipper. How about reality for a change, America: nobody is responsible for what happened in that theater other than the gunman. It was nobody's "will" that people were murdered except the gunman's. But I guess it's easier to blame your imaginary friend because then you don't have to take the responsibility of examining the really hard questions. Just chalk it up to your fictional "god." What a cop out. Grow the hell up.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • JMM

      Totally agree. Its quite amusing to see people preach that there is this divine being yet constantly make excuse after excuse "when he doesn't show up" or blame someone else. They just can't look in the mirror and say to themselves. When I am dead, I will really be dead. As saddening as it is-so are the victims. The lives they had. The people they were are gone. They aren't looking down over you and guiding you throughout life. I think its actually quite selfish to think they would want to spend eternity watching over you. Its up to you to determine how they live on. Not to believe in this idea of cartesian dualism and hope their "soul" rests in peace. Its to you. A god does not exist. Its quite simple, really.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  5. P. Rodriguez

    What do you mean "Where was God?", this country wants nothing of Him. We prefer to entertain ourselves with movies, beaches, beer, and all sorts of self-gratifying endeavors, but certainly have shunned Him. The nation that once proclaimed “In God we Trust” is no longer, preferring to go deeper into darkness and immorality. You can say “there is no God” all you want, but he’s coming back and you won’t find him in a darken movie theater. R E P E N T !!!

    July 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Marshal

      In God we Trust was a saying we came up with to stick it to the Russians during the cold war. I dont understand you religous people at all, it is more important for you to worship something than it is to just be a good person. What kind of being do you worship that allows people to be brutally killed because it isnt getting enough worship?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • PAUL

      The Queen Sends Hers Condolences To The People of Aurora!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8XSYpPwPrk

      July 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • elopez

      The US is the most religious country in the world, with more churches by square mile than any other country, including those "socialist" and "godless" ones like Canada and the ones in the Scandinavian peninsula, which have almost nonexistant crime. To make causual relation between more religious = less crime doesn't match with the reality of the world. In other words, be scientific.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      When is he coming back? Day after tomorrow? Next week, month year?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  6. Jim Dandey

    That's just it, you morons: It's proof there IS no god. Crap like this happens all the time and narrow-minded idiots continue to think there is some all-powerful being up in the sky watching over them. Wake up!

    July 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  7. Why tempt our differences CNN?

    This is the best section on CNN for dumb reason. Old beliefs... the silly yet provocative. The question above is so dumb to ask, though I'm highly entertained...

    July 25, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  8. PAUL

    JESUS IS WITH THE PEOPLE OF AURORA!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lThuhz45pDI

    July 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • PAUL

      WE ALL NEED LOVE AND KINDNESS AT THIS TIME!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dliYX-DHntg

      July 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  9. Nestadamus

    The simple fact is that there is no god pulling the strings and guiding the actions of our world or it's population, one way or another. Whether or not you believe in an all-powerful god is up to you. I used to be a Christian and even then, I believed that my actions were my own as were everybody else's. Needless to say, I do not believe in fate or destiny. Also, people do not need faith or religion to distinguish right from wrong, that's the reason for which our laws are set forth. What is right is legal, what is wrong is illegal. Plain and simple.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • yeahalright

      So...when slavery was legal, it was right?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • iamlegal

      You are kidding right? If it's legal, then it's good, and if it's illegal, then it's bad.?? Doesn't this put some "fat cat" dishonest politician making laws that are influenced by corrupt individuals, in charge of right or wrong? Something that is legal has nothing at all to do with right or wrong. It used to be legal to openly mistreat black people. By your messed up reasoning, that was ok because it was legal. I would say to seek professional help, but then you would blindly turn to some messed up pastor to tell you that you are right, and that your god will take care of you later. Really? Really? Tell me about your loving god. NOT

      July 25, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
  10. Terry

    We have free will, I dont believe GOD let it happen. I do believe we have to have Faith that all will be answered when we meet him face to face.....It's not the weak who believe in GOD, it is the strong of Faith who look at this horror and do not blame GOD. It is the strong of Faith who can walk the narrow road and truly believe. How will we ever learn the lessons if we are not tested. How will we ever grow as human beings without trial....He never promised it would be easy just that he would be there for us.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • WhereWasGod?TacoBell

      You sound insane. He WASN'T there for those people in the theater. Jesus. And it takes a lot more strength to stand on one's own, especially in public, to be an atheist than it does to be a xian in this country, believe me. We stand strong ethically, legally, morally, and honestly without the promise of everlasting lives or the threat of eternal damnation. We don't need those to do the right thing. That's strength, my friend.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  11. notokbyme

    When man (and woman) first appeared on the scene, be it thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago, they were most likely put here by a supreme being, God if you will. IMHO, after the first humans were turned loose on planet earth, God went about his other business, wished them luck and has not intervened or interferred with mankind ever since. It has to do with free agency and if God were to tilt the scales one way or the other, he would be taking away that free agency. One day it is possible that God will return, look at the mess mankind has created (along with a lot of good that has been done), shake his head and say "You guys really screwed it up".

    July 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Baseless conjecture... like all religion.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • solex

      So "God" created us, then went on vacation?

      It is ASTONISHING the amount of downright conjecture that religous people will accept as fact.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      "FREE AGENCY" Is G-od a baseball player?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  12. Reality

    Taking god down a "omniscient" notch but still powerful??

    o From Edward Schillebeeckx, the famous Catholic theologian from his book, Church: The Human Story of God,
    Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)

    "Christians must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God the great scapegoat of history" .

    "Nothing is determined in advance: in nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human
    activity there is possibility of free choices.

    Therefore the historical future is not known even to God; otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings.

    For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

    But then there is this complete destruction of said god(s):

    The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    July 25, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • PAUL

      GOD WAS GIVING THANKS TO THE PEOPLE OF AURORA!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIzHTK1npQ

      July 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • HappyMadison

      So God is not in control and does not have a plan? Makes sense to me.

      However, you may have a problem with all those Bible verses that claim that God is in control and has a plan.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Dan

      Well done

      July 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • OTOH

      " you may have a problem with all those Bible verses that claim that God is in control and has a plan."

      The Bible is nothing.

      July 25, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • HappyMadison

      @OTOH – I agree.

      But again, my point is that even among those who believe the Bible are completely divided on what they think it is saying.

      July 25, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  13. Everyone here is an idiot

    For all you atheist fools, and for all you religiously affiliated fools, answer me this. For the atheists, you believe in science no? The cause and effect law sound familiar? Well then, who or what created the first atom in order for the big bang to begin? Can't answer hmm. For the religious affiliated ones, you all believe in science as well? If not, that your creator created everything, it wasn't by chance? Then who or what created Jehovah/Allah/Yaheweh/God? If neither of you can answer, then both parties have no merit over the other. Atheist can't tell me the bible is a book of fairy tales when they themselves cannot answer a fundemental question of their own, neither can they view themselves as better then religious ones. Religious ones cannot tell me the bible is real when they cannot answer there own fundemental questions, neither can they claim atheists are foolish or ignorant as well. Good day fools. Please, someone, answer this instead of going on with your foolish beliefs.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Poe's Law Award?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Reality

      Think infinity and recycling with the Big Bang expansion followed by the shrinking reversal called the Gib Gnab and recycling back to the Big Bang repeating the process on and on forever. Human life and Earth are simply a minute part of this chaotic, stochastic, expanding, shrinking process disappearing in five billion years with the burn out of the Sun and maybe returning in another five billion years with different life forms but still subject to the va-garies of its local star.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • t3chn0ph0b3

      Atheism is specifically a lack of belief and understanding science doesn't require belief. There goes your whole silly paragraph.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      I'm glad you included yourself as one of the idiots. The so called "questions" are as stupid as your beliefs. Non religious people deal with facts not fantasy. With all the praying going on in this world, why do we still have problems? Why don't we pray them away? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK. People like you make G-od out to be as irrational as you are. It's okay to believe, but leave your beliefs at the church. The only way we're going to solve MAN MADE problems is by MAN AND WOMEN working together to solve them.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Oops

      Well.... as nice as you are and you have asked some pretty difficult questions, you're lacking in some key areas.

      For instance, why does not having the answer to what pre-big bang conditions were like having anything to do with the veracity of the bible. It's sort of like saying because you can't answer what I'm watching on TV right now, you can't discuss the merits of The Dark Knight....

      That's not even really the point though. An atheist will tell you that it's improbable we'll ever know all the answers to the universe, we have theories. Admission of ignorance is also a good thing, it doesn't hurt in this instance. The believer, as part of the dogma, demands more than mere theories, they need facts and they believe the facts that comes out the bible (which atheists find questionable at best).

      You clearly have no grasp on the ins and outs of the debate but would rather rely on your own idea of what the debate seems like and your answer.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • solex

      Yet you think that the world is six thousand years old right?

      You believe that the dinosaurs and man coexisted right (Like the flintstones)?

      You believed until very recently that the earth was flat right?

      Man has continuously updated his image and belief in "God" as his knowledge increased. It seems ludicrous to me that religious people continuously recreate "God" to fit the needs of the present without realizing it was all just a big lie in the first place.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Usman

      The biggest idiot is you.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Reason

      For those of you trying to prove that science is incomplete, that's not the case anymore. In Stephen Hawking's book The Grand Design, he specifically details how the universe was created by gravity. "Because gravity exists the universe could create itself."

      July 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  14. Lance

    I get a kick when people start talking about how the god they believe in exists beyond the shadow of a doubt. I'm sure Egyptians and Mayans and nearly every other civilization out there believed that the gods they worshiped were real and the only god(s) that existed.

    Tell me again how that worked out for them.

    God doesn't exist, sorry.
    And yes, everyone can indeed have it wrong. Just because a mass of people believe something, doesn't make it so.. it just means that the masses are nucking futs...

    July 25, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • Everone here's an idiot

      Do you have undeniable un alienable proof he doesn't exist? Or are you just imposing your beliefs on people like every ther religious fanatic on here?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Get Real

      How is he imposing his beliefs on you? Don't believe in the 2nd Amendment?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      I'll prove he doesn't exist. I'm in New York. It's absolutely beautiful outside. Tell G-od to make it rain right now. Better yet tell him to make me float above the Brooklyn Bridge! I'm waiting.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • CW

      2nd amendment? Believe you might be thinking of the First Amendment.

      I find hypocrisy in the fact that in the same breath he calls people out for not having any substantial proof of God's existence, he asserts as fact that God doesn't exist. It's as though he's contradicting his very own rule.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
  15. JP

    Sounds like the garden of eden wasn't such a bad place.Tell Eve to put down the fruit and none of this happens. The non belivers need to get with it and realize that in thier logical assumption we are as follows. We were somehow born of a Big Bang, then a nuclear reaction, then a bonding of carbon and water then we crawled out of the sea and grew legs swung from trees then invented evil and guns. I think Dust to Dust and breath of life sounds more realistic. Find your inner soul logical thinkers.

    Guns are not to blame, it is not a item capable of killing on its own. Nor the Bulletts nor any other perceived weapon. My hammer is a leathal weapon if I choose to use it in such a way. Fellow men and women, understand that we are created, we choose daily between right and wrong. At some point this James Holmes was a caring individual he was in school and helping young kids in 2008. I am betting if he went to church or had religion in his upbringing or knew how to talk to God he could have worked through the terrible thoughts he had. God could have prevented this by speaking directly to his soul and mind but this man obviously tuned it out or didn't have fellowship to help him. He was alone and without God's light. Until you find it you can't understand it. Do not seek God in worldly miracles. You will find him in the peace and tranquility of knowing this world was created so that he can be worshiped and true love expeinced when beliers can share the burning love of the holy spirt together.

    My prayers are with everyone hurting and mourning over this tragic event. The dead are at peace with my loving heavenly father right now. Thier suffering is over.

    – JP (Common Christian)

    July 25, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
  16. freewillmyass

    As a Primitive Baptist (aka Five Point Calvinist) I am truly astonished at all these "free will" posts I'm seeing. Just how Bible dumb and Bible illiterate has this nation become? This wasn't any accident that happened on Friday - this was the hand of God smiting an evil nation of rebels. Period. God, in His absolute sovereignty, has brought the smarting rod against the reprobate. Make no question about it: God is punishing the good ol' U-S of A for her proud sins. How dare you take such liberty with the Word of God, and pretend that His hand is not in ALL things that come to pass. To wit: "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" Amos 3:6. Also: " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7. And you people pretend like you don't understand that plain talk, and cover it up with the disgusting lie that "God loves everyone" (and no, John 3:16 does not say "God loves everyone" - WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH UPON HIM shall be saved, and only those whom God calls and draws to Christ will believe, see John 6:44). God is a consuming fire, and God did this out of His perfect anger against a brutal nation. I recommend you all brush up on some REAL Gospel truth - that is, read the Bible. Also, if you want to read something by a real preacher, read the classic "London's Lamenations" by Thomas Brooks.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • HappyMadison

      Wait a minute...

      You're saying that God's will is the only will, but he's punishing us for our will?

      if God is perfectly sovereign, that means that only his will is done right? There is no free will of man. Sin is something that people do that god does not will. How is it possible to sin if God is perfectly in control?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • fay

      What's a five point calvanist?

      Never mind its not important to me nor to God i hope...Im sure he will accept any non educated third world chid in his open arms!

      July 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Everyone is an idiot

      Sir, you just proved my point. While I don't lean any way, I have read enough of the bible to know your statement is false. This incident wasn't "Gods" doing as stated in the bible. The evil done is apparently due to satan being cast out of heaven in 1914 and being the ruler of the earth since then, as it would be stated in the bible you own. Part of it is human free will and sin if the bible is to be taken as truth.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • RealMatureUsernameThere

      There seems to be a slight contradiction here.
      Either:
      A. There is free will, and God did not directly command this massacre to occur
      B. There is not free will, in which case God is in charge of the whole 'America turning away' thing too. In which case he's is punishing people for doing things he has to have been responsible for them doing in the first place!

      July 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • freewillmyass

      HappyMadison: That's right, yes, God is punishing the reprobate for their sins, and He predestinated them to be the vessels of wrath that they are. Otherwords: Yes, God has predestinated the vast majority of mankind for Hell. There is no free will. God either loves you, or He does not. God despised Esau before He was even born, and loved Jacob. (Romans 9:13) Jacob inherited the bliss of Heaven, Esau inherited the never ending torture of eternal flames. God is in control of all. You'll ask "So why does He find fault if He caused all this to happen?" Paul answers that question in the 9th chapter of Romans. To paraphrase Paul: Who the hell are you that questions God? He'll do as He pleases.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Romans 9 peeps

      Each and every one of you needs to acquaint yourselves with Romans 9 - the same question you have is answered by Paul. They asked "Why does He find fault if He did all this?" Paul's response? " WHO ART THOU O MAN WHO REPLIEST AGAINST GOD?!" Otherwords, who the Hell do you think you are questioning God??

      July 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • RealMatureUsernameThere

      Fascinating. So no matter what we do, our fate is set? Then why the HELL are you abiding by any rules? You're either going to heaven anyways, or you're going to go to hell no matter how good you are. So go throw a party. Murder somebody. Steal some stuff. No moral consequences EVER! At least atheism's lack of an afterlife means that doing stuff has consequences on other people. Your religion, while it could lead to sweet parties, doesn't have that benefit.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • ab

      <>

      Is there another kind? None of us know for sure, some of believe things based on science, some on faith, some not at all. None of us really know we are right. The deluded ones among us think they know...

      July 25, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • WhereWasGod?TacoBell

      I bet you kiss snakes and drink poison at church. You guys are all nutbags in my opinion, but at least you're more honest about what's in the buybull that most xians, so kudos to you for that. Most in your cult haven't even bothered to read the dammed thing.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • ab

      "As a Primitive Baptist"

      Is there another kind? None of us know for sure, some of believe things based on science, some on faith, some not at all. None of us really know we are right. The deluded ones among us think they know...

      July 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • What IF

      Yep, I wondered how long it would take Shrilly Phelps to show up here (@freewillmyass)!

      July 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • J.W

      But why is God punishing Aurora in particular? Is Aurora more sinful than other places in the US?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  17. Everyone here is an idiot

    Yup Happy Jack, you can't answer proving my point, and I would say the same to a religious person. Its a matter of belief, it takes faih to believe in atheism and it takes faith to believe in religion. Neither group is better then the others.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • t3chn0ph0b3

      Atheism is specifically the LACK of belief. You're not making yourself look very smart.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • WhereWasGod?TacoBell

      Athiests are indifferent to religion, Einstein. There is absolutely no faith involved. And you think everyone else is an idiot? Priceless!

      July 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • WhereWasGod?TacoBell

      Atheists are indifferent to religion, Einstein. There is absolutely no faith involved. And you think everyone else is an idiot? Priceless!

      July 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  18. BoldGeorge

    Why are you (or anyone) asking "where was God?" For the folks that believe in God and trust Him and abide in Him, they know exactly where He was, is and will be. But for those who do not acknowledge who He is and what He did on the cross, again, why are you asking where was He??? Who is it that you are denying if you do not believe in Him?

    July 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      ...because let me say this (write rather), if you believe in God but just mad at Him and deny His sovereignty, then that is a whole different ball game (and a dangerous ballgame). But if you keep asking (whether its the writer of this article or anyone else), where was He or if He really exists..., then what you are basically doing is mocking believers.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  19. Allyson Desmond

    One night I had a dream...
    I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord, and
    Across the sky flashed scenes from my life.
    For each scene I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand;
    One belonged to me, and the other to the Lord.
    When the last scene of my life flashed before us,
    I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
    I noticed that many times along the path of my life,
    There was only one set of footprints.
    I also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in my life
    This really bothered me, and I questioned the Lord about it.
    "Lord, you said that once I decided to follow you,
    You would walk with me all the way;
    But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life,
    There is only one set of footprints.
    I don't understand why in times when I
    needed you the most, you should leave me.
    The Lord replied, "My precious, precious
    child. I love you, and I would never,
    never leave you during your times of
    trial and suffering.
    When you saw only one set of footprints,
    It was then that I carried you."

    our faith in the Lord will always be tested. We will see tragedies but when you trust the Lord,
    you will be able to see the good in all of his deeds. Without faith in the Lord, this massacre will
    proceed to bring us down. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understandings." Proverbs 3:5

    July 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • Marshal

      Wait, so your God has these tragedies happen so that it tests your faith in it? Isnt that kind of sadistic?

      July 25, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • JMM

      Oh. Are we cherry picking now. How about this one full or curses and killed teens.

      From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2: 23-24

      July 25, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  20. Rod

    it is always interesting to me that so many want to question where God was when something bad happens like this tragedy, or even blame Him in some way. Where was God when Adam and Eve sinned? Does God have to personally be there when something bad happens? Does anyone think that maybe God personally was not there when Adam and Eve fell because they had to govern themselves and choose to do what is right or wrong. If God had been there in person, of course they would likely not have eaten from the tree, but again they had to learn to govern themselves and choose to obey His commands. In Psalm 8:3-6-When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have ordained, What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet. God made us to have rule and dominion here on earth as His original plan. But when Adam and Eve sinned, they gave their rule over to Satan who now presently rules the earth, and so he influences our world with the spirit of rebellion, sin, evil, hatred and murder. Man is responsibility for this mess we see continually, not God. God so loved and hated this sin problem that He gave Jesus for the penalty of sin that dwells in us. We only need to receive Him and Hs love.

    July 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • HappyMadison

      So I've heard this argument in different forms about a million times here. Man's free will caused all the problems right? Went against God's will right? Then answer this...

      Let's assume there is a God and he does have a will. If man has free will he can do whatever he wants without intervention from God, right? What if man's will conflicts with Gods? 1) Does God step aside and change his will depending on what man does? 2) Or does God overpower man's will? If the answer is 1 than God is not in control – man is. If the answer is 2 than man does not have free will.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • JW

      Amen Rod. I can tell you are a JW because no one else could have answered that so well

      July 25, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      It is a lesson for human from our creator, learn some thing from it and do not let it happen, if we have any control on our hindu soul,filthy desire.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
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