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Where was God in Aurora massacre?
Twelve crosses comprise a makeshift memorial near the Aurora, Colorado, movie theater, scene of last week’s mass shooting
July 24th, 2012
02:13 PM ET

Where was God in Aurora massacre?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Where was God in Aurora?

It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering, natural disasters or - if you believe in it - evil?

We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different responses.

“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.

That riled @TheTrivia Jockey, who tweeted, “If that was God's will, God is definitely not deserving of my worship.”

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

@trentpayne also took issue with the Colorado pastor: "I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Pastor. God gives free will to man, but it wasn't his will that they die."

The back-and-forth provoked other believers to chime in on the theological issue of God’s sovereignty vs. human free will, with many Christians seeking to explain how a sovereign God could preside over seemingly senseless bloodshed.

“It is not God's will or want that people died in Aurora,” wrote @GospelBluesman 20m. "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

The conversation and debate continued in the comments section of this post, with some insinuating that the massacre might be a kind of divine punishment, or at lease divine neglect:

Lenny
We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?

Jesse R
Liberals have made it impossible for God to be anywhere during the upbringing of a child. Can't have any religious connotations in schools, libraries, government offices, etc., etc. Young men (and women) are growing up with no real sense of right and wrong. ... We no longer have the right of religion, but rather the right from religion. Parents no longer have the ability to discipline their children. We are always looking for the excuses ... violent video games and movies, bad teachers and schools ... when we should be looking in the mirror. We as a society are the reasons these massacres happen. We have allowed our children to become social misfits that lead to the kind of carnage we have seen on several occasions since religion and God disappeared from what the Founding Fathers once said was a necessity of a successful democracy ... faith.

Lots of readers used religious takes on the shooting to challenge the whole idea of God:

Who invited me?
How do you know the people that were killed didn't go to hell?, and how exactly does any of this show there is a reason? Reason is obviously something that you have replaced with belief, and you threw out logic with it.

Kyle
"God doesn't exist, so he wasn't anywhere. Get over it. A man was evil, and he was evil because he was crazy.

Plenty of others said the shooting was the devil's work:

Harleyxx
Evil things like this happen because Satan is the god of this world ... for the time being. God will undo all the damage caused by Satan's rebellion and man's disobedience when the time is right. In the meantime we all experience trials and tribulation due to living in an ungodly world. That is why Jesus taught his followers the Lord's Prayer ... 'to pray for God's kingdom to come.'

What’s your take? Where was God in the Aurora massacre? Or do you feel that such tragedies are evidence for a godless universe?

Let us know in comments, and we’ll highlight the best ones.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: God • Violence

soundoff (10,690 Responses)
  1. Jim K.

    This discussion thread is by far the largest that I have ever seen on any subject in any media. The fact that so many people have contradictory beliefs regarding unverifiable sky-gods is and has been the root cause and rallying cry of most of the war and suffering that plagues our societies today.

    In my opinion the world would be a much better place without religions dividing us all.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Rick James

      Yeah. Religion's trying to have it's last hurrah before starting to decline as people get to know more.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
  2. Unknown

    So atheists must think us humans are special? Considering some of the posts,yes I think many think we are.

    But wait..if they don't like the religious,wouldn't they rejoice when some "dumb religious" dies?

    July 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Hmm... I wonder if you will ever actually start a post without some idiotic strawman argument.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Rick James

      That's just it. We don't think we're special. In the whole frame of the universe, we are nothing but stardust. We live and die, just like everything else. Only we can prevent forest fires and all of that. And we don't celebrate when someone dies. Regardless what we thought of their beliefs, they are still human.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Cq

      Most atheists view the Earth, and even our galaxy, as just a speck in the universe as a whole with humans just another mammal with maybe a higher intelligence than most. It's the religious who tend to place us at the center of the universe.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Evan

      I don't like people who smoke, but I never rejoice when someone dies. Unless they're evil of course like the shooter. It takes a lot to make me want someone just dead.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
  3. JazzDawg

    We are busy smashing god to bits over at CERN with wonderful results. For all the families of those who lost loved ones and victims of of the Aurora shooting rest assured we will keep smashing until there is no wiggle room to blame anyone or thing but people like James Eagan Holmes who, like god, has no empathy for mankind. Religion, guns and misguided freedom is what killed all those innocent people in the theater that night at the hand of a crazy man.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  4. roy

    I think people need to read the Bible more, especially Revelations and some of the Old Testament concerning Sodom and Gomorrah. We are in the last days of the second coming of Christ, we have gotten more and more like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. We have forgotten what the true christian values are supposed to be we have let the government and others to subvert humanity. We as a whole people no longer believe in the values that this country was founded o, we have turned our back on god as a whole. All we have managed to do is make that which created us disgusted with his creation, so what do you expect ? You want to know where he is, he's been where he has always been, but he is ashamed of his divine creation. this is what you can expect when you allow sin to run rampant.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • BillyJ

      Ezekiel 16:49–50
      49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

      "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned"

      Sounds like typical bible-belt fundamentalists to me.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Jim K.

      This country was founded on the principles of the rights and freedoms of man, and the denunciation of any theological influence on our government. Most of the founding fathers were either outright or closet atheists who abhorred the irrationality of the church. Do your homework...

      July 25, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • Aryacalanatha

      So god created something imperfect? We can derive from this that god is not perfect. I can further speculate, saying that I have compassion for every living thing while god scorns and hates some, essentially proving that I am superior to god in that respect! Thus you should be worshipping me.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  5. curt

    God WAS there, had he not there would be over 70 dead.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Dumbest...rationalization...ever.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Rick James

      He must be an as.shole of a God, then.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • BillyJ

      The reason why there wasn't 70 dead is because the guy didn't bring MORE guns, or some pipe bombs. It was all a function of how much destructive force he could unleash before being stopped, and the lax gun laws down there are primarily responsible.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • JazzDawg

      If he was there than was he rolling dice at the time?

      July 25, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • kernilsanders

      So god could save 58, but absolutely no more? Wow that's some serious omnipotence going on there.

      July 25, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
  6. God

    Sorry about that everyone. I was at another midnight show for the new Batman movie.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
  7. Pablo

    Anybody can do what that guy did... its easy – the act of doing that alone will make people suspect that there is a hi likelihood that the person is crazy... so you go to the courtroom and act it out... look dazed and confused, dont be coherent, scream I want my mama, I want my mama and the media pundits will fill in the rest for you. I swear the way this guy is handled may inspire so many others who wants to do the same thing is not funny. Because there are a lot of people out there that just want to say #$%&* the world (not me mind you) and will want to outdo what this guy did. The will acquire celebrity and be immortalized in their evil act.... but who cares for the dead, when they are dead all we can do is talk until it happens again. PEACE BLESSINGS and may their souls rest in peace , even those who are yet to be killed by the next intelligent, sane gunman.

    July 25, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Sammy

      It's easy because the gun he used makes it more efficient for a single person to kill multiple people. That's what assault rifles are designed for, and that's what makes them good weapons for soldiers. Civilians have no cause to own such things.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  8. LN

    Where was god in the Aurora massacre? He was where he normally is which would be no where because he doesn't exist. Sorry to burst your bubble but the tooth fairy doesn't leave you cash for your cast off baby teeth, Santa doesn't keep a naughty nice list, and god isn't watching down on us with a "master plan". They're all fictional. This psycho did what he did because he has something wrong with his brain either due to genetics, abuse, or injury. Period. People who lived were lucky or smart or both. Period. The people who died were int he wrong place at the wrong time. End of story.

    July 25, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
  9. Aryacalanatha

    If a god or gods truly exist they wouldn't be here to keep us out of peril. I think they would want us to make something of ourselves and make our own destinies, but since it seems by all accounts that such beings do not exist then we must go fourth with courage and resolve and go into the infinite mystery before us. All of us must die one day and leave our loved ones behind just as we came from an infinity of nonbeing into the hearts and arms of those who have come to love us. We are simply passing through reality until once again our molecules disperse and become one with the rest of the universe.

    July 25, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • elopez

      Best reply I've seen so far.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  10. ArthurP

    The real question is why is the class of weapon he used for sale in the first place. After all it is not as if you have to lay down a curtain of suppressing fire when deer hunting. Bolt, leaver, and pump action weapons with small capacity magazines is all you need. (the 2nd amendment is outdated and should be repealed. It means jack when the smart bomb hits you in your bunker from 30k feet. Just ask the Taliban)

    July 25, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Sammy

      I guess some people want to fantasize that Bambie is really a heavily armed human when they assassinate them from 100 yards.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • Rick James

      I don't think it should be repealed, but I think everyone can agree it is not absolute. I'm ambivalent on guns, but gun control laws would be sort of a waste of time, IMO. You have a higher chance of dying while driving than this happening.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
  11. Unknown

    If a person sits back and watches,and let it happen,how can you blame God? If a school ignores bullying and a student commits suicide because nobody helped,how can you blame God? A starved child,how can you blame God when so many people just go to the store everyday who can afford food? How about gang violence? Is that God's fault?

    If atheists hate how the religious claim humans are special...many atheists seem to think we humans are special.If a parent doesn't love their own child,how can that be God's fault?

    They just want to accuse and blame to ignore the real problem-us.They seem like they don't want to confront that issue, even tho many religions state humans are flawed and sinful.

    When pain strikes,such as a child dying,we think "why not somebody else? Why me?" That is life.Like it or not life is about death.We all die.

    Its strange,when the tables are turned on let's say an atheist,see how they will react.When its somebody else who faces the problem we say "its their problem,not mine".

    With the super rich,THEY could end world hunger.Instead people spend money on movies,cars etc that make THEM happy.

    Get the picture of reality yet atheists?

    July 25, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      The reality of christians include a supposedly loving god, who allows unnecessary suffering. This does not fit, and is at the heart of "why would a loving god allow these things".
      Also, christianity does not say that humans are special. On the contrary, a core tenent of christianity is that humans are unworthy, evil, piles of shit. It is a dehumanizing religion.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Unknown

      Who causes the suffering?

      Yet another part atheists ignore.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      According to the bible, god does.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Unknown

      According to this "reality" atheists boast so much about,humans cause the most suffering.

      Don't like,learn to grow a backbone and shut up.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      According to reality, humans cause suffering, and according to christianity, god causes suffering, calamity, or whatever. But apparently chrisitianity gets to switch between the two whenever it suits them. Which is illogical between them?

      July 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • kernilsanders

      fun with incoherence. are you hooked on monkey phonics?

      July 25, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
  12. Majed

    In Islam, God is the Creator, The Almighty and All Knowing. He is the One and Only. One Who is aware of the past, present and future. One who created time and will end time. One who is above His creation and all that exists.

    The Aurora incident is no different than the many tragedies in life. An innocent by stander getting struck by a vehicle, some climber falling off a cliff, or even the tragedy of war, when hundreds of innocents are killed, loose their loved ones and are afflicted with pain and poverty. Let me begin what God or Allah (In the Blue letter Bible, God in its most original root is Allah. Genesis 1:1) most true sense is referring to trails of life:

    The Cow Chapter 2
    155. "And We will surely test you (all) with something of fear and hunger and loss of property, lives and fruits; but give glad tidings to the (steadfast) patient."
    156. "Who, when a calamity befalls them, (by showing perseverance), say: ' Verily we belong to Allah, and certainly unto Him shall we return'."
    157. " Those are they on whom are blessings and Mercy from their Lord, and they are the ones that are guided (aright)."

    Life is a test. We live this life and ponder the its purpose and reflect on the sense of our creation.

    So does God Exist? A logical answer would Why do you ask? Are we exploring options?

    So I will say if I throw a few cases of paint on a canvas, will it turn out to be a Mona Lisa? Logically No... because there definitely is a painter behind the brush. Now, how would God tell us that there is indeed a Creator if indeed He is ALMIGHTY and ALL KNOWING? I ask this for myself and you?

    You have every right to ask this question..considering the fact that many in this time live in a Godless society.

    First of all, if we are able to come to the concept of God, we have to be able to define HIM? right. does he look like an old man on the clouds? like a cow? like a rock? like a human? like an alien? a ghost? a spirit? my god is my car? and so on.....OR is God the Almighty, All Knowing, Supreme, is above His creation and all that exists. Where there is no time, no beginning, no end, no universe (its created)... etc

    In Islam, Allah says the following....

    "And with Him are the keys of the all that is hidden, none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record." Quran 6:59

    " Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, etc.) for people of understanding." Quran 2:164

    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    (1)Say: He is Allah, the One!
    (2) Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
    (3)He begetteth not nor was begotten.
    (4)And there is none comparable unto Him. Chapter 112

    You may say that I rely on the scripture to prove it... but here, if you really read it well, Allah tells us to reflect and not just have blind faith.

    (52:31-35) (31) Do their minds command them this [i.e. to tell a lie against you (Muhammad SAW)] or are they people transgressing all the bounds?
    (32) Or do they say: "He (Muhammad SAW) has forged it (this Qur'ân)?" Nay! They believe not!
    (33) Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Qur'ân) if they are truthful.
    (34) Were they created by nothing? or were they themselves the creators?
    (35) Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief.

    (38:27)
    And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them without purpose! That is the consideration of those who disbelieve! Then woe to those who disbelieve (in Islâmic Monotheism) from the Fire! (27)

    (3:190-191)
    Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding. (190) Those who remember Allâh (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth, (saying): "Our Lord! You have not created (all) this without purpose, glory to You! (Exalted are You above all that they associate with You as partners). Give us salvation from the torment of the Fire.

    Finally,
    "Did you think that We had created you in play (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?" (23:115)

    God has sent noble men to guide nations and humanity. These messengers are to name a few: Adam, Noah, Abrahim, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (peace be upon them all).

    All of these messengers were persecuted and ridiculed for their teachings. They came to guide their people to the submit to One God with no partners. Many were killed and some had a few followers.
    Moses (pbuh) left to get his commandments only to find his people worshiping the cow! This is how his people got deviated. They asked for forgiveness and were granted forgiveness. The first commandment is about One God. Now Islam is strictly a monotheistic religion.

    Life is indeed an act of worship. So if you do something right you are getting good deeds.. and that's many folds over if someone does a bad deed. Plus, bad deeds are forgiven if asks for it, pays charity to the poor, etc.... A good deed replaces a bad deed... God is most forgiving!

    There is no concept of "original sin" Adam and Eve were tempted to eat the fruit, they were forgiven by God.

    Mary, mother of Jesus, is considered the mother of nations and held in high esteem. Jesus (pbuh) was born to virgin Mary. "Verily, the likeliness of Jesus before Allah is the likeliness of Adam, He created him from dust and said, Be! and he was.." Al-Imran 3:59.

    DEATH?

    The subject of death scares us because we don’t know much about it nor the life in the grave and the life after death. We all know we will one day die but few are willing to discuss the details of what happens thereafter. We are afraid because of our own ignorance; because what is to come is unseen and unfamiliar…and we are unprepared.

    It should be stated here that everyone one of us is to die even if we hide ourselves anywhere in the world; or even if we try to protect ourselves.

    We should also realize that many of the noble prophets of God whom God sent to guide were persecuted and many were killed. These people were the most noble of the people God sent on Earth to guide mankind to the right direction. What better way for God to show us that life is a test and has a time set for it.

    In Islam, all humans are born in the state of purity. No one is held accountable for the "original sin". So if a kid dies he is not accountable for their actions on the Day of Judgement.

    Let me begin with a few verses which are a translation of the meaning of the Quran:

    (67:1-2)
    (1). Blessed be He in Whose Hand is the dominion; and He is Able to do all things.
    (2). Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed. And He is the Almighty, the Oft-Forgiving.

    21:35 Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good, and to Us you will be returned.

    Life is sweet and beautiful. We should all make the best of it, by not wasting time and putting in effort to realize the purpose of life.
    When there is an untimely death, it is not their fault. Though, for example when car accidents occur and its the drivers fault for his death, the death is untimely. Islamically, his time had come. There is an important concept of Destiny in Islam (whether good or bad).

    If God is indeed the Creator and knowledgeable of all that exists, past, present and future, then death for sure is called at its due time.(not one second less or more)
    It is a reminder for you and me that life is not a play, but serious to ponder the consequences of the actions in this life.

    This is not a philosophical answer but what the islamic faith teaches .. as it was ordained by Allah (Arabic for God, Genesis 1:1).
    So every Muslim embraces death, like he embraces life. He is aware all his actions are accountable and will be asked upon the the Judgement Day. So he does his best to be righteous and good. There is no free pass. The most important thing for a Muslim is to attribute God with the qualities God Himself has commanded and warned us not to deviate. That He is One with no partners.
    Certainly, God is Almighty and all Merciful, and Compassionate. He is the One who created time and One who ends time.

    Chapter 103
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    By Al-'Asr (the time). (1)
    Verily, man is in loss, (2)
    Except those who believe (in Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and recommend one another to the truth (ie.order one another to perform all kinds of good deeds which Allâh has ordained, and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which Allâh has forbidden), and recommend one another to patience (for the sufferings, harms, and injuries which one may encounter in Allâh's Cause during preaching His religion of Islâmic Monotheism). (3)

    July 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Sammy

      If there is no God, and it's just us making our own choices, life would still be a test. Your post proves nothing.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Just sayin'

      Islam is derived from the Jewish, Christian, and many other previous beliefs. And just like the others, only revealed to bronze-age desert-dwelling men seeking power over others. Is that really the best we can do?

      July 25, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Salero21

      "So every Muslim embraces death, like he embraces life."...

      Really! So let me make an educated guess based on that statement, which by the way is an absurd of demonic proportions. I guess, we could have trusted you or any other muslim, to judge the 9-11 plane highjackers et al if any could have survived or was caught before the act.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • kernilsanders

      tl;dr;
      nah.

      July 25, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • Majed

      Slayer, It seems I have been misunderstood.. Every Muslim understands that death is a fact of life... he lives it realizing that death is inevitable and makes the best of it by being a best person he or she can be. as God says in Quran "every thing will taste death" so he has realized this outcome is a fact and live this life the best way they can. 9-11 was a tragedy in every sense.

      Just sayin' : I am sure that's one conclusion you can derive. I am sure you are aware the Children of Israel rejected many other prophets (by even killing some) including the attempt on Jesus (peace be upon him)...until God raised him. But a better reason would be God sent Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) to guide the whole of mankind to the worship of One God.. the same message of Abraham (peace be upon him). We have to realize what the followers of Moses (pbuh) did when he went to get revelation at Mount Tur. They started worshiping a calf until he returned.. Here is the Quran (God) telling us on this event:

      The Cow Chapter 2
      (50) And (remember) when We appointed for Mûsa (Moses) forty nights, and (in his absence) you took the calf (for worship), and you were Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers,)
      (51) Then after that We forgave you so that you might be grateful.
      (52) And (remember) when We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Scripture [the Taurât (Torah)] and the criterion (of right and wrong) so that you may be guided aright.
      (53) And (remember) when Mûsa (Moses) said to his people: "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves (the innocent kill the wrongdoers among you), that will be better for you with your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.

      Here is Gods revelation in direct answer to your question:

      3:64+ O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Abraham, while theTorah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense? Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that of which you have no knowledge? It is Allâh Who knows, and you know not. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim (worship none but Allâh Alone) and he was not of the disbelievers.

      --I just want to be clear .. Muslim have no hatred toward any religion.. especially Judaism and Christianity. We can marry among them and eat the meat they eat

      July 25, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • JP0

      If your bowels are loose you need to find a pot before you lose your load.

      July 26, 2012 at 12:50 am |
  13. Salero21

    How about asking instead: When is this murderer going to be try in Court? Better yet: How and where did this murderer get the money to buy all the weapons and gear? Was Tax payers money use? As it was suggested last night by some Media outlets.

    How is it that anyone, can go to a gun store and without even being in the Military or Law Enforcement, can obtain Military style weapons? How, why, where is this happening right now as we speak (or write)?

    Those are better questions that I like to see asked and answered. Otherwise I'll insist this is ONE NATION UNDER GOD's JUDGMENT. Will this murderer receive the Just punishment for his crime?

    Will Justice be done for and to the Victims and their families, friends, neighbors, community?
    Or will he escape justice like so many others have done in the past, by playing the looney card?

    Are the fanatical mobs or the ignorant populace be blaming his moma for not breast-feeding him as a baby?

    How about Judges, juries, politicians and prosecutors answering the previous questions?

    July 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      How about the question of,
      Why won't you answer the responses on some of your other posts? Does it make you feel good to throw out random assertions then leave so you don't see the disent to your views? Do you just not want to defend your faith?

      July 25, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Salero21

      hawaiiguest,

      And who are you? Are you a victim of a crime or a participant? Are you an investigator, a detective, an interrogator or just a simpleton?

      Is this an questions and answers blog? Is this blog some sort of acredited college course? I have a right to my opinion granted by God first and by men of honor and reason second? I doubt very much you are one of them? I don't waste my time with your kind. Besides that the blog already have close to 200 pages now. I'm not going back pages to answer naive, foolish and simpletons questions.

      So goodbye, so long, adios, sayonara, arriverdici; Capisci, capire?

      July 25, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
  14. ArthurP

    To worship God for fear of retribution is to be a slave.

    July 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
  15. Just sayin'

    Christianity – The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense

    July 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Phil

      Best post I have read. Now let me get back to my Scientology book....

      July 25, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Sally

      For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

      U know bits and pieces of everything.. but nothing sensible came out of your statement..sad for you!!

      July 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  16. Seminarian Neil

    Where was God in Aurora Massacre? He was there with the victims. He was there with the shooter. He was there with the family members who were not there but afraid. He is still present amongst all of them. Was it God's will that these people should be killed? It depends upon what you mean by "God's will". God did not will the shooter's actions. However, on the same token he did allow for it to happen. He was not powerless to stop the shooting. To suggest that he was is to suggest that God is not omnipotent.

    The problem of Evil:
    1) God is all-powerful, but bad things like Aurora still happens., therefore he must not be all-powerful
    2) God is good, but he didn't stop these bad things, therefore he must not be good.
    3) God is all-knowing...this is the important one. God is all-knowing, but we are not. He knows and sees things that we do not know and see. Any answer we give for the reason that tragedies happen, is done to satisfy our own egos and our own intellect. Over half of the time we don't know why our own spouses do the things that they do. How could we ever expect to understand and know the actions and doings of an all-knowing God.

    We know God was there in the midst of it. We know that God has compassion and love for the victims, the families, and yes even the shooter. Why he allowed for it to happen, I do not know and I cannot know. If I were to know, than I would be God himself. So, where does that leave us? It should leave us at the foot of the cross.

    For it is at the cross that a great and horrible evil occurred. Jesus Christ, very God of very God was nailed and blood horribly and died. God did not spare his own son, but offered him up as an atoning sacrifice for you and for me. We look at that very Jesus who died and know that he has conquered death, he rose bodily from the grave. It is in that, that one can hope.

    A Christian is not moral that they may be moral with God. A person does not need Christianity to be moral. There are many other ways to that. If you want a belief system that makes sense and will give you a life without suffering, Christianity offers neither. Christianity promises that the suffering will end, that the evil will cease, that in spite of all our evils and wrong doings, Christ has paid the price. We are forgiven, we are given life. We do good works, not for the sake of God. God has no use for them. We do good works, we are moral for the sake of our neighbor.

    July 25, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
  17. Kyle

    I used to believe in god, but this is further proof he doesnt exist, we tend as humans to make patterns in meaningless data, this shooting happens and we say it is gods will, but maybe it was just one nut jobs will, nonetheless faith is just a frame of mind

    July 25, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Phil

      why would you say this is further proof he does not exist? To me it means nothing in relation to a god you have no knowledge of.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Unknown

      So you must think humans are special enough?

      Strange,atheists usually hate when the religious say that.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Jill Moore

      I am sorry that you have lost your faith and belief in God.... and feel this proves his non-existence..... however, no where in the Bible does God promise anyone on this earth sunshine and roses, a world of peace and happiness.... a perfect world... that my friend is heaven. Faith is not something that you can prove... if it could and was proven it would not be faith it would be a fact. I believe that God wants us to love him by our own choice and our own free will, just as you want to be loved by someone because they choose to love you not because you have forced them. God allows us free will. Just as I have made poor choices and will make poor choices again I am sure, these choices have had consequences and unfortunately these consequences have hurt my loved ones and I am sure at times complete strangers.... all innocent people that suffered in some way for my poor choices. This young man obviously made poor choices and innocent strangers and loved ones were hurt by those choices..... this is called sin. People say , Then where was God during this inceident?". I believe God was the small quiet voice in the heart of Mr. Holmes neighbor that went to his apartment that night to ask him to turn down his music and stopped at the door that was slightly cracked open and decided to return to her apt instead of opening the door. I believe God's finger reached into the chamber of the gun that jammed sparing lives, he was with the gentleman the next room over that was leaning on his arm rest slightly and because of his positioning missed being severely injured if not killed by the path of the bullet. I believe God was with the young lady born with a birth defect that left the channel through her brain tissue that the bullet followed when she was shot in the head, preventing her from death. I believe that God held the 6 yr old child's hand as he walked her to the gates of heaven. I believe God was with the shooter when he stood behind his car and told police of the bombs and boobie traps in his apt. I believe God is in the hearts of those that are struggling with forgiveness helping to set them free from the burden unforgiveness has on them. As a society we have pushed God out of our schools, our homes or public gatherings and when something like this happens we cry out where were you? Well He was there but He is a gentleman and He will not force His way into your heart.... but will be happy to walk beside of you if you invite Him in.

      July 25, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
  18. Sammy

    It bears repeating that we ban hand grenades and pipe bombs because they kill too many people at once, so why don't we ban assault rifles for the same reason?

    July 25, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Phil

      2nd amendment says I get my arms. So where is my nuclear weapon. I want my nukes....wahhh

      July 25, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Sammy

      Phil
      Why can't you have bombs according to the second amendment? Militia's has cannons, and blew things up. Why is the line drawn against bombs?

      July 25, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Phil

      I hope you realize my scarcasism.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Sammy

      Sure Phil, but the logic that rules assault rifles OK, but bombs not just escapes me.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Phil

      agree, assult rifles are crazy. I sure with all those NRA types that are carry heat would stop up and take these guys out but they are just as big of cowards as the rest of us.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
  19. Phil

    blah, blah, blah, look how much I learned in my made-up religious classes at my made-up church...

    July 25, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
  20. Raj M.

    I think the reason suffering is a possibility in this world is because it allows the opportunity for compassion. One cannot go through the process of healing without the possibility of getting hurt. Obviously that doesn't make all suffering ok; I don't condone the shooting in Aurora for one second, nor do I condone any killing of innocent people. But we cannot rise up unless we are capable of falling down first. That's my answer, for better or worse.

    July 25, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
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