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Where was God in Aurora massacre?
Twelve crosses comprise a makeshift memorial near the Aurora, Colorado, movie theater, scene of last week’s mass shooting
July 24th, 2012
02:13 PM ET

Where was God in Aurora massacre?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Where was God in Aurora?

It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering, natural disasters or - if you believe in it - evil?

We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different responses.

“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.

That riled @TheTrivia Jockey, who tweeted, “If that was God's will, God is definitely not deserving of my worship.”

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

@trentpayne also took issue with the Colorado pastor: "I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Pastor. God gives free will to man, but it wasn't his will that they die."

The back-and-forth provoked other believers to chime in on the theological issue of God’s sovereignty vs. human free will, with many Christians seeking to explain how a sovereign God could preside over seemingly senseless bloodshed.

“It is not God's will or want that people died in Aurora,” wrote @GospelBluesman 20m. "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

The conversation and debate continued in the comments section of this post, with some insinuating that the massacre might be a kind of divine punishment, or at lease divine neglect:

Lenny
We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?

Jesse R
Liberals have made it impossible for God to be anywhere during the upbringing of a child. Can't have any religious connotations in schools, libraries, government offices, etc., etc. Young men (and women) are growing up with no real sense of right and wrong. ... We no longer have the right of religion, but rather the right from religion. Parents no longer have the ability to discipline their children. We are always looking for the excuses ... violent video games and movies, bad teachers and schools ... when we should be looking in the mirror. We as a society are the reasons these massacres happen. We have allowed our children to become social misfits that lead to the kind of carnage we have seen on several occasions since religion and God disappeared from what the Founding Fathers once said was a necessity of a successful democracy ... faith.

Lots of readers used religious takes on the shooting to challenge the whole idea of God:

Who invited me?
How do you know the people that were killed didn't go to hell?, and how exactly does any of this show there is a reason? Reason is obviously something that you have replaced with belief, and you threw out logic with it.

Kyle
"God doesn't exist, so he wasn't anywhere. Get over it. A man was evil, and he was evil because he was crazy.

Plenty of others said the shooting was the devil's work:

Harleyxx
Evil things like this happen because Satan is the god of this world ... for the time being. God will undo all the damage caused by Satan's rebellion and man's disobedience when the time is right. In the meantime we all experience trials and tribulation due to living in an ungodly world. That is why Jesus taught his followers the Lord's Prayer ... 'to pray for God's kingdom to come.'

What’s your take? Where was God in the Aurora massacre? Or do you feel that such tragedies are evidence for a godless universe?

Let us know in comments, and we’ll highlight the best ones.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: God • Violence

soundoff (10,690 Responses)
  1. Russ

    The cross shows us two things:
    1) the world is horribly broken (we are worse off than we want to admit)
    2) God's love is even deeper than our brokenness (he was willing to endure the worst possible suffering in our place)

    July 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      OR
      That entire paradigm is outdated, and frankly ridiculous. If the ancient pi'ss"ed off deity, required his son, (and there were many people who were called sons of god), to die, before he would say "I forgive", then THAT is no role model for humans. If THAT is the system, who has to die, for Holmes to be forgiven. Once for all is Special Pleading, if the system is actually a system. So which is it ? Is there a system ? If there is a system, who made the system ? ....hmmmm.... your mean god ?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      AND, "the gods work in mysterious ways", is the ultimate cop-out/rationalization.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      Ask this, Russ (and yes, I've asked this before); What magic binds God to NEED something to sacrafice? Last time (supposedly, the very last time) Jesus/ God got himself killed by telling everyone he was Jesus/ God. THAT was the 'ultimate' sacrafice to end all thereafter......

      So why did God need blood sacrafices before, and why did Jesus/ God need an ultimate sacrafice in the NT? Some magic binds God to this task. So who's pulling God's strings? There's a quota for blood. Actually sounds pretty ancient. Like it was formed around, dare I say, ancient people with ancient thinking who thought sacrafices were needed. If were still in the OT days, we'd be killing something almost everyday and burning it as a sacrafice for God. This making sense to anyone...?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Russ

      @ fluffy: glad you're engaging the image.
      1) you called him "p!ssed off" – as if that was bad, as if there was another appropriate response to massacres? What does justice look like in the face of massacres & pedophilia? Isn't anger an appropriate response to evil done to those who cannot defend themselves? you're asking for justice angrily – yet upset that God is angry about the injustice? The cross resonates with that.
      2) your filial objection is a misunderstanding of the Trinity. This is not cosmic child abuse. God willingly chooses to suffer in our place.

      There are many mysterious things about God – but suffering is something Christians are uniquely equipped to engage. No other major religion can claim the transcendent God comes down & enters our suffering – even to the point of ultimate suffering in our place. And no other religion claims to hold justice & mercy side by side the way that the cross does: making the very same place that defines justice as the place that also defines mercy.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Russ

      @ AverageJoe76: good question – but I think you've missed the biblical basis.

      God doesn't NEED anything. We NEED sacrifices. why? because justice means our death. we deserve death. that's what the cross states so loudly about our condition before God.

      God is demonstrating his character. Why is everyone so upset about this shooting? justice. we want justice. what is God revealing about his character? he doesn't just say "oh, i'm in the business of forgiving. it doesn't matter. i'll take all comers." no, there's a HIGH COST for the horrible things we do. That's what the cross shows.

      God does not answer to some higher concept of justice. He defines justice by who he is. And the cross makes that readily recognizable for us.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom, just because we are to eventually forgive the shooter ... it has nothing to do with what Jesus told us to do, which is to send the murderer back to Him. Jesus will deal with him, man can not. Forgiving others is so Jesus will forgive us of our sins and we don't get stuck in horror, but, move on to His peace and love.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Madtown

      Russ, how do you know so much about God?

      July 24, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      @Russ; But the sacrament smelled sweet to God. The burning of flesh smelled sweet.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • Questioning Faith

      Worst possible suffering? .. are you kidding me .. three days on the cross was club med compared to what happened at Auschwitz.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Madtown: I've already said I'm a Christian. I'm open about the underpinnings of my faith. What about yours?

      July 24, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Russ

      @ AverageJoe76: Do you really believe that is the intent of the text? I would rather expect not. The clear intent is that the people understand the high cost of their sins & the depth of God's mercy – and that is what God is celebrating: that his children are beginning to understand both his justice & his mercy. It foreshadows the cross – the clearest statement of both justice & mercy simultaneously.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • noevidence

      The cross shows me two things as well.
      1) One vertical beam
      2) One horizontal beam

      July 24, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Josh

      Well put Russ! Very good stuff!

      July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Questioning Faith: this is a classic materialist (in the philosophical sense) objection. You don't have to agree with Christians to understand why that is not true logically.

      Understand what the Trinity is (even if only as a concept with which you disagree): an infinitely, transcendent God who is One yet in Three persons eternally. No beginning, no end. Eternal fellowship & oneness. And that intimacy was "broken" for us.

      Even if that's too much for you to believe personally (i.e., you're not a Christian), you should be able to recognize that for those who do believe, the fracturing of that relationship in any form (as the most valuable thing in existence) is infinitely more horrific & costly than ANY amount of our suffering.

      To put it as Soren Kierkegaard did: "there is an infinite, qualitative difference between man & God." An infinite, qualitative difference. Of infinitely more value, of qualitatively different nature. To compare the two is more ridiculous than comparing the suffering of a tomato to that of a human (we are both organic life, whereas God is infinitely more).

      Do you see it philosophically? The "only three days" argument fails to understand the Who, how & why of Jesus' suffering. Again, you don't have to agree with Christianity as a religion to understand why that objection fails to accurately engage Christian belief.

      July 24, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • The Problem of Evil

      @Russ – "classic materialist objection"?

      What else is there aside from the material?

      "Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder." Carl Sagan

      July 25, 2012 at 3:51 am |
    • Brent Slensker

      You're a sick man Russ...No other religions followers are as adept at suffering as Christian?..Humans NEED sacrifices??...sick sick sick

      July 25, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Problem of Evil: you are making an assertion that is not scientifically based (that there is nothing more than the material). rather, it is an assumption you are making at the outset – i.e., faith-based, not based on verifiable evidence itself. it fails its own criteria. moreover, it makes you guilty of the very thing you are criticizing in your opponents.

      July 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Russ

      I'm noticing something in your posts. You're not really answering any questions, or addressing any points. All you're saying is "it's god" and then going off on preaching tangents.

      July 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • justin

      I'm going to post my personal beliefs which just so happen to be the most logical, plausible explanation and the truth for that matter. God is a manmade MYTH! You guys are adults talking like children, people go far enough as to say "maybe all those people were going to hell anyway", "its gods will", take responsibility for your own actions and realize there's no skypeople

      July 25, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Max

      This person could not be more wrong.

      The US is, minus the environment much better than it use to be. Crime is way, way down and health and expected life span are way, way up.

      This type of thing happens everyday all over the world and much of it is created by the US and our foolish Empire. The reason people here in the US freak out is because we are at the top of the chain and so it is not all that common.

      Go live in Afghanistan for a while or Egypt or Palestine or part of South America, which is getting better now that the Americans are gone. Think about Vietnam and Cambodia...try to understand that you have a very easy and safe life when compared to 98% of the rest of the world.

      Then think about why these other places are so messed up...then think about who you are forced to VOTE for.

      God has nothing to do with any of this. LAZY, IGNORANT AMERICANS are to blame, mostly White Men. Just look at a picture of congress...all white guys.

      Got any problems...you know who to blame. The people in charge.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Russ

      @ hawaiiguest: glad you're reading the posts, even if only for dialogue.

      as a Christian, my intent is to talk about Jesus. however, also as a Christian, I do not regard that as tangential. Because I believe him to be God, every aspect of the discussion is intertwined with my faith.

      where was God in Aurora? I'd echo Eli Wiesel (though admittedly a very different meaning than him) in "Night" – "God is there, in the gallows." That's what the cross is about: God entering our suffering & taking the worst of it upon himself – but from your viewpoint, that probably just echoes your sentiment. Do you see that as a tangent? I, as a Christian, see that as a definitive statement of reality.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • good without god

      The cross is two very real things
      1. A device used historically to torture and execute people.
      2. An enduring symbol of Christianity's love for violence and death.

      As a potential third, they could also be seen as a warning device for rational people to avoid the wearer, or at least a sort of "Do not engage, common doesn't reside here" sign.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
  2. Ben

    Simple explanation, there is no God.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Simple-minded perhaps, but hardly simple.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • sam

      Damn, Lycidas, you have the snappiest comebacks. That was so witty. I was like, "Whoa, man."

      July 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Russ

      if no God, then no basis for moral outrage. Just evolution at work. why be upset if that's what you believe?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • BRC

      Lycidas,
      Nothing simple minded about it. It is a hypothesis that fits the evidence, clearly stated. It is also the simple answer that completely answers teh questions. That's usually the best one to choose.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Legalizeit

      There is a God, and you Ben are not Him, you live on self will...self centerness and self reliance....you will eventually fail yourself....because you are weak my friend, you are nothing but a human, haha a simple human.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Lycidas

      BRC- "It is a hypothesis that fits the evidence"

      What evidence? According to atheists...there is no evidence. No evidence only equals no evidence. It proves nothing.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • Fungeek

      @Russ – You don't need a god to form a moral code. It's entirely possible to be morally outraged because the very act of murder and senseless violence is itself worthy of outrage. Civilization, art, culture, science, code of laws, and other worthy pursuits existed in most of the world centuries before anyone thought to "enlighten" people with the concept of a Christian (or Islamic or Hindu, etc.) god. By comparison, there are plenty of examples of religion used by those in power to justify and rationalize extreme violence and torture, all in the name of one god or another.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Weatherthestorm

      Code of Ur-Nammu from about 2000 BC is an example of a Sumerian moral code that identifies several types of crimes and punishments, most of which are still considered criminal and/or immoral today. It would seem that the concept of morality is not uniquely Judeo-Christian, since this code preceded the Ten Commandments by centuries. DId people gradually formulate basic moral codes that evolved over time to allow society to function successfully or did God implant a moral code in the minds of people long before anyone wrote down any code?

      July 24, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • jason

      you are right 100%, there is no god, there was never a god, everyone had something else they believe in to get by, simple as that. no one needs to force their belief on others, and no is allowed to kill for their ideals.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • GMcG

      And even if there was a god, he would have given up on humanity a long time ago.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Fungeek: so you disagree with such prominent atheists as Nietzsche, Camus, etc.? Read Nietzsche's "The Madman" parable. I think he fundamentally undresses your argument.

      To quote him: "What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing?"
      http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/nietzsche-madman.asp

      Without an objective basis for a "moral code" (an anchor), there is no basis for an appeal to justice as an objective reality. Sure, you can fabricate subjective appeals – but that admits the relativist's nightmare ("well, it's not ok for me, but it might be for someone else"). If something is ALWAYS wrong, on what basis do you make such a statement?

      And even worse, if you substi.tute evolutionary thought as an explanation for existence, it not only lacks a basis for moral outrage, it pushes the opposite conclusion: these things are to be expected as a function of the very nature of species propagation & DNA optimization for evolution. In other words, such thought means "this is normal" & "how it should be."

      July 24, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • noevidence

      @Russ You can't tell that murder is something you shouldn't do without having to rest on the presence of a diety? It's wrong because we all know it's wrong – there doesn't need to be a "creator" in order for that to be the case. it can very well be evolutionary that we have a "knowledge" that killing is wrong. I don't see what's so hard to understand there. And sadly yes, this is normal – although it does not follow that it is the way we want things to be. We strive for something a little better than animalistic behavior, but that is what we came from. Again, no diety. No "anchors" – nothing is so certain as to be written in black and white from a book given to us by god. I think you have gotten too caught up in the pristine conditions of philosophy to remember that this earth is a muddy place, and you are not its central posession.

      July 24, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • The Problem of Evil

      @Russ

      You claim that an objective anchor is necessary for moral behavior? What objective evidence exists for the Christian or any other deity?

      If I read your comments about evolution correctly, you seem to conclude that if one accepts the theory of speciation by natural selection, then one must accept murder as a necessary (and perhaps acceptable) mechanism of this process. But humans are conscious beings who have the capacity to intervene on the processes of natural selection. Further, there's no evidence that the murderer in this case had any intent to use this event to disseminate his genes.

      July 25, 2012 at 4:04 am |
    • Russ

      @ no evidence: your assertion does not comport with nature itself. the strong eat the weak. it's fundamental to evolution. why is killing wrong? at best, an atheist here can say that we have fabricated these ethical systems for the more efficient optimization for the gene pool, but there is no scientific or evolutionary objection to killing. that arises in metaphysics... which again, enters the realm of philosophy & theology, not science.

      no, you do not need to believe in a Creator to think murder is wrong... but do you know WHY you say it is wrong? what is your basis? that is the metaphysical/philosophical question. or to be pointblank: your faith. i'm openly admitting that I'm a Christian. upon what do you base your conviction that murder is wrong? science does not address that question. relative truth cannot condemn the killing. so what is your objective, metaphysical basis for objecting to these killings if there is no God?

      July 25, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Problem of Evil:
      a) objective evidence: I've admitted I'm a Christian. I think you might have anticipated my answer. Nonetheless...

      first, existence itself (creation). you didn't create yourself. you exist. all this exists. something out of nothing?

      secondly, and more pointedly, God has revealed himself – not only in nature, but by speaking into history and ultimately entering it himself in the person of Jesus Christ.

      b) humanity does have the capacity to intervene – but for what purpose? again, isn't the primary goal/purpose of evolution (and thereby the primary purpose of existence) the optimization of the gene pool for propagation of the species? human life/dignity is only based upon service of the ultimate goal. the rest is thrown aside as refuse. for a modern ethical espousal here, see Peter Singer (Princeton ethicist who advocates along those lines).

      bottom line: evolution, as an overarching theory of existnece, includes these events (you can't even call them injustices within the theory) as a necessary part of the evolutionary process. there is no basis for moral outrage. strong eat the weak. the better genes adapt & survive. the theory regards such events with what many regard as a calloused indifference. according to this view: Hitler was not evil, just a part of evolutionary process. not bad, not good – just necessary for evolution's one greater purpose.

      Also, the overall theory of evolution does not require individual agents to believe they are acting in its service, and yet regards them as doing so. Even if Jason Holmes was not attempting to disseminate his genes, evolution sees him as a tool (not an aberration) that furthers the overall goal – much like a forest fire cleanses the forest for refertilization.

      The moral outrage that is almost ubiquitous on the heels of events such as these does not comport with the theory of evolution – unless it is something that merely serves better gene optimization in the future (part of the oscillation of evolutionary development). but that's exactly the problem: our outrage is not about that primary evolutionary goal. we BELIEVE something inherently WRONG happened here. most call it evil. evolution cannot & does not state that.

      so which is your more fundamental view of reality? did something inherently wrong happen – or was this fundamentally evolution at work?

      July 25, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • noevidence

      @Russ With regard to your comment about "something out of nothing" – creation itself is not proof of a diety, only proof that what is here is here. If there was nothing before (which I'm not sure we can ever really know), that still doesn't prove that some THING must have created it. We're still trying to figure that all out objectively, and rolling it all up into a ball and calling it god is a simplistic viewpoint at best.

      With regard to the strong eating the weak – yes, this is true in almost all of life.. And why do we humans have this different set of emotions as opposed to sharks and lizards? I don't know, and neither do you. Why do some primates exhibit this same sort of behavior? I have certainly seen other primates mourn their dead – why do you think that is? Did god mistakenly endow other genetically similar beings with a primordial set of our values, or do you think that's nature at work? I don't know why I think murder is wrong, but I simply know it is – some other people do not have that benefit apparently, and we as a society are working to make that insanity as rare as we can. And if belief in a sky-man with a set of rules one must follow helps those folks to be better people, then that's fine by me. But an obviously intelligent person as yourself should not need to rest their being on this sort of crutch.

      And if there is a creator of the universe, then so be it. If that is the case, then I'm sure it made me the way it wanted to, and there is pretty much nothing I can do to mess with it. To think otherwise is conceited. This whole ridiculousness about how we are in a game that was created to see whether or not we will do good by a set of stone age rules is a very strange way to look at things. It makes a lot more sense to me when I look at that kind of rationale as a historical perspective, and I can certainly believe how it made sense to people in the 1st century AD, when so few of the physical "mysteries" of this world were understood. But certainly in this day and age, and with the benefit of all recorded history, one should be able to see that this view is antiquated.

      To be point blank about my faith, my faith is that the universe is a wonderous and magical place, far beyond my mortal, human imagination to understand. But that does not mean that something created it, and then created a sacrificial son to enter this world, and then he dies so that the rest of us can exist after we die in some magical kingdom. All of that is heresay, and there is certainly nothing you can show to say otherwise. Any manifestation of god in this world during all of humankind is much more easily attributed to humans BELIVEING in god, and not a creator-diety existing in and of itself.

      I appreciate your argument, and your thoughts on the subject – but in the end, we are both using this as a means to strengthen our beliefs, and there will be no change of viewpoint.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • IliveforHim

      If God isn't real, how do you explain the creation of the world?

      July 26, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • IliveforHim

      @noevidence- Two (or more) particles can not come together and BANG create something and even if they could, this thing they created would NOT be so complex and elaborate.
      And if you believe in the evolution from ape to human, tell me why everything stops at the human, why doesn't evolution continue? Where are the missing links that scientists have been looking for?
      Logically, neither the Big Bang Theory, nor the evolution from ape to human are reasonable explanations for our existence because they cannot be repeated over and over again, which is the whole point of science.
      Another thing to think about: Take the human body, for example. It is so complex and every part of it is so carefully and purposefully made. Someone MUST have took the time to create it. If you don't believe in a creator,you're telling me that I can go into a forest, where no one lives, and a car would appear out of thin air. And this car would have wheels so that it could move, a steering wheel to maneuver it, air bags and seat belts to protect the passengers, room for passengers, a trunk to store things in, etc...
      If you think about this, it is IMPOSSIBLE for this to occur. So therefore, just as someone engineered the car, humans were also created.

      @Russ- I admire your determination to defend your faith and to speak the truth. May God bless you!

      July 26, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
  3. Lycidas

    "Where was God in Aurora massacre?"

    Dang...CNN is def ringing the atheist chow bell today. Make way for the stampede.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      def ringing?
      deaf ringing?

      what is def ringing?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Oy...thought most ppl would be familiar with def=definitely.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      No I generally speak english. Def is not a word.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • poootinany

      haha lycidas, ain't that the truth. suuuueeeyyy!!!!! suuueeeeey!!!!!!

      July 24, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      They do like the rumble of our little feet to the dinner table. (SIGH)

      But, the question is viable. Sometimes it's said 'it is God's doing'. So if God's so active, where was he/ she/ Jesus/ Holy Ghost/ it?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Who invited me?- "No I generally speak english. Def is not a word."

      A question made up of three words are not names either...what was your point again?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      My point was that you posted something confusing by not using english. I doubt you would understand me if I shortened every word I used.
      As for the name...a rose by any other name could still give you a p r i c k.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Who invited me?- "My point was that you posted something confusing by not using english."

      I used shorthand that 99.9% of everyone on here has recognized in the past. So far only one slow out of touch person did not know it. That's you 🙂

      July 24, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  4. Believer

    Its been said that the only thing we can truly give God is our will because its the only thing we possess that is uniquely ours. Everything else was given to us by Him, and is, in effect, not ours to give in the first place. As such, and despite His omnipotence, He cannot intervene. The notion that an "all powerful" God would use His power to strip a man of his freedom to act is an age-old atheist argument against His being, but is false. He only possesses power where power can be possessed- and controlling our actions is not within that realm.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • sally

      Then he is NOT omnipotent.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • rAmen

      ooo, can't control neurological states? how lame, i thought sky daddies suppose to be experts in particle physics, since you know, they created the universe and all. surely a relatively macro world of neuroscience is a piece of cake

      July 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • The Problem of Evil

      That may well be an argument some atheists would use "against his being" but it's not an argument I would use.

      The claimant (the believer) is responsible for providing proof of the claim being made. None of the arguments I've ever heard for the existence of a deity cites empirical evidence. All are either metaphysical claims or claims that concern statistical improbability of life.

      Oddest of all, you make a claim that most believers do not – that god is not omnipotent.

      July 25, 2012 at 4:11 am |
    • brian

      awww man does that mean i can no longer give oral to my wife since it's "not mine" ?

      July 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
  5. Becca

    Reading through these comments (as well as reading/listening to all the media commentary) make me wonder not where god was in all of this, but where all the love, kindness, and compassion is in our country. I think that's a far more troubling issue, and one that could probably garner agreement across all Americans- regardless of their religious or secular beliefs

    July 24, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • just sayin

      Then perhaps you are on the wrong blog or you need reread this particular story again? Shall we not discuss the success or failure of a God? Perhaps you should grow thicker skin or get a grip?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Yeah Becca....only the atheists get to yammer on what they feel. If it's a thread about Buddists...it's ok if they bring up Jesus. But don't you dare talk about what you want. That's just wrong. *rolls eyes*

      July 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Becca

      If they ask a stupid and useless question like this article did, then why should I take the comment section seriously. To me, it's just as sensical to ask "Where was Odin, Zeus, The Amazing Flying Pink Unicorn, or The Evil-Genius Gerbil named Blinky who lives in the center of the earth?"

      July 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • just askin

      who cares what you think

      July 24, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @just sayin

      All I can give is my own reason for not taking this particular article seriously, which is exactly what I did. Did I say anyone else should be the same? Don't get all snippy, or you'd be in danger of sounding like some of the nutjobs on here.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      *@just askin

      July 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Red

      @Lycidas

      Still waiting for you to actually contribute to a single conversation here anything other than a sense of passive-aggressiveness that would make a Jersey Shore cast member blush.

      July 26, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Red- I feel funny calling someone "red" when I'm a redhead. Anyway...what is the problem in showing how the atheist arguments are wrong? Or pointing out what jerks some (not all) of them are with the very same type of language and mannerisms they use? There is nothing wrong with it.

      July 26, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  6. HeavenSent

    God does what he wants, I do not question him. There was a reason for this and his will was done. If any of the dead did not accept Jesus then they will burn for eternity.

    Amen

    July 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • rAmen

      Chairman Mao does what he wants, I dont question him, because I have no brains.
      rAmen

      July 24, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Adam

      Ever wonder if you SHOULD question things? That's a question for you.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, ghouls, goblins or guns

      HS, what if they were extremely faithful to some other god? Doesn't that god get to do with them as it wishes without inteference from your god? Where do I get a copy of the Book of Etiquette for Supernatural Beings?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • sam

      I wonder if HeavenSent reads her posts aloud as she types them. Maybe she punctuates certain words by waving her lit cigarette in the air, eyes bugging out of her head, hair sticking up all over. Finally, she starts shrieking something from Matthew and that's when her cats know it's time to make themselves scarce for awhile.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Madtown

      Good people: don't feed the troll.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • just sayin

      Foolish Atheist posting again and ignoring Jesus's Truth. Fools smiles will turn to frowns when they are judged.

      Amen.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      But not until I find my pants. God Bless

      July 24, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • just sayin

      I have found my pants. They are on Jesus.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      And I can't believe what he did in them. Jesus please.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, you know I didn't post that babble of lies. Funny how you always post to the phony heavensent when I tell you that you are a fool.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam the fool. Jesus had Matthew scribed so that you know the son's of Cain, who is the son of satan took over the seats in the churches and synagogues. Or, is that over your head to know that satan's children are living in the world too.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • sam

      @HS – my post stands. Reinforced, actually.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Nissim Levy

      HeavenSent. You truly are a disgusting piece of S-h-it

      July 24, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Marshall

      Why would you "not question" God. Many biblical heros do so – consider Abraham, Moses, Job... I often here believers say that they don't question God, but I don't see why. Questioning God is very biblical.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Deborah

      This act of violence was NOT God's will. I get so tried of people blaming God for evil acts. Humans of their own free will do evil things.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • good without god

      So, I do I want – that doesn't make me god. Ah, maybe it's the fact that there's consequences for my actions the remove me from potential godhood in your mind. I mean, if I flooded and slaughtered most of the population of the Earth, commanded my 'chosen people' to butcher the women, children, and animals of anyone who disagreed with me, and then demanded that everyone must love me or I will send them to an eternal fiery hell if they didn't I'm pretty sure I could expect at least some hate. But that's alright – he's god. He loves everyone who fits within whatever preconceived notion of who YOU want to 'live forever' with. Those are people can just burn. And maybe, since those people are going to hell, you just help them get their quicker. Simply put, I find you to be the most reprehensible and disgusting example of what the human race has to offer. Mindsets like you are what allows tragedies to happen – heaven sent? Great, do the world a favor head right back where you came from.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • good without god

      And Deborah – if you're god is so all-powerful, all-knowing, and in control of everything, then how in the hell do you justify saying that it's NOT his fault. If it wasn't his fault, then you're god is not quite so powerful and not in control of his universe the creations in it. If it is his fault, then god is a mass-murdering psychopath – responsible for everything from Pompeii to 9/11. There is no other option.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • IliveforHim

      @rAmen- So you think that believing in God is something for ignorant or stupid people? If so, explain to me why some of the smartest people in history (ex: Galilei, Pascal, Newton, Mendel, Einstein, etc) believed in God's existence?

      July 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • IliveforHim

      @goodwithoutgod- God didn't send Holmes out on a killing spree, Holmes did that all by himself (because of his sinful nature). God allows bad things to happen to us for many reasons, of which we may not understand now. Sometimes He allows something like this to happen to strengthen us; sometimes it's to discipline us, as a father disciplines his children- not because he hates them, but because he loves them; sometimes it's to open our eyes so that we can look to God. Something good ALWAYS comes out of these horrible situations. For example, 9/11 was a terrible terrible day for our country as we lost so many wonderful people- but looking hindsight, it has brought our country closer together; it has brought a sense of community.

      On a side note: Life is so much better with God- there is hope that better things are to come; there is faith in a God who is bigger than any problem that could ever arise; there is unconditional love; there is forgiveness for the mistakes that we as sinners continue to fall into; there is mercy from eternity in hell- where we should be because of our sinful nature; there is grace in which we received love instead of God's wrath on our evilness; there is a purpose to this life; there is beauty in a world filled with hatred; there is courage in knowing that I can stand up to anything that comes in my way because I have God to back me up; there is joy in knowing that one day, I will leave this world and all of it's pain, and I will be in heaven, with my creator and there will be no more pain, just happiness; there is peace in knowing that as long as I follow God's path for my life, I have nothing to worry about because He will take care of me, etc
      (I wasn't trying to be poetical or anything, I was just saying what all I have truly experienced in my life with Jesus as my Savior)

      Now whether or not you choose to agree with me is your choice. All I ask is that you respect me, and others on here as we have respected you. Thank you.

      July 26, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
  7. dangeroustalk

    Oh course there is no God. Religious believers have bee trying to come up with a way around the Problem of Evil for 2500 years. The old "Free will" excuse just doesn't hold up.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • 3worldsofscott

      That's a bold statement with out any citations concerning the age old discussion nor any reasoning on your part.

      July 25, 2012 at 10:15 am |
  8. Drestwell

    Where was God when Jesus was hanging hours on a cross in the midday sun?

    Answer: That was God on the cross, paying for our entrance into Heaven to live with Him forever.

    God knows our suffering and He went the extra mile to carry us through it. Not from the grandstands, but in the dirt, blood and mire of this planet; He experienced it firsthand and offers His hand to help us through it today!

    July 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Madtown

      But, Jesus is God's son.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • just sayin

      And Jesus felt he forsake himself. He was clearly a confused God and his actions leading up to his S&M experience, show he exibited signs of insanity and delusion. He was a twisted bird that is for sure.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • sam

      @Madtown – right. He sacrificed himself to himself to overturn a rule he made himself.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Madtown, Jesus is God.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Just think sam and the fake just sayin, none of you get to spend eternity with Jesus unless you repent, ask Him for forgiveness, then sin no more. My guess is your ego is too big to do this.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Madtown

      HeavenSent
      Madtown, Jesus is God.
      -----
      That's odd. I always heard in church that Jesus was the son of God, sent down to absolve us of our sins. If Jesus is God, that would mean he sent himself down? Someone is mistaken, you or all the pastors I've listened to over the years.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • Nissim Levy

      There is no heaven. There is no hell. Jesus was just a regular man. The universe is over 13 billion years old and we have common ancestry with apes. Them's the facts.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • debbie

      The supreme being the creator was not here on earth as so many have been led to believe. God sent his heavenly son to act as the go between man and Jehovah God. God could never die or be lower then the angels as the Bible clearly states so for God to have died would have been impossible. that is another lie false teachers preach about the God of the universe. Makes no sense for a God, the creator of all life and things to come and lower himself and be as a man. He sent his son like the bible says and he gave freely of his life to redeem mankind. What do you think all those blood sacrifices were that the Jews were doing? It was to foreshadow the blood of the Christ, the anointed one of God who would give back to God what Adam lost. When the first man and woman chose to sin against their God they lost everlasting life, and perfection in body, mind and being. We are suffering for that mistake. But Jesus did come willingly as his father requested and he kept his integrity to his Father in heaven and allowed himself to take on the sins of the world and shed his human blood to redeem us back. Jesus said he would return in spirit to destroy evil and Satan and his followers which are those that decide that there is no God and those that break h is commands to love their God first and foremost and then love their neighbors. Open a Bible people and read for yourself and see that there are answers to every question mankind has been asking since Adam's fall.

      July 24, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • IliveforHim

      To all those who believe that Christians are mindless idiots:
      Some of the smartest people in history believed in God. Here are a few for example: Galilei, Newton, Einstein, etc

      Christianity SHOULD NOT be about religion. It is a RELATIONSHIP with God.
      If you have encountered someone who claims to be a Christian and they have not showed you love, then they may not have been true Christians because Christianity is based on love (The word love is used over 684 times in the Bible).
      Please don't blame all Christians for what some Christians have done/said to you, just as you wouldn't want someone to hold a grudge against you because of what someone else did/said. Thank you!

      July 26, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  9. Commentable

    Free will = A new dam is about to flood a valley and everyone has to leave. One guy refuses to leave. The police show up in a car asking him to come with him. He refuses an says God will save him. Soon the water is up to his steps and a boat arrives asking him to come along. Again he says God will save him. Soon the water is up to his roof and a helicopter comes to save him. Again he says God will save him. He eventually drowns and is before God. He says to God- “why did you forsake me and let me drown”. God says ‘what are you talking about? I sent the police , a boat and a helicopter”.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Theophrastus

      Wow. Never before have seen blind faith so accurately defined.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Jerome Horowitz

      An old tale. I heard it told about a pastor in a flood.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • dowdotica

      yup

      July 24, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Como se Huh?

      So the parallel to Colorado is... what exactly? "I gave you all those movie seats that you could have hidden behind while that guy unloaded his AR-15 into the other people." Or maybe "I gave you the opportunity to stay home with a nice bowl of cheezy puffs." Huh?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  10. Portland tony

    BELIEF in God allows some to find reason when there is none and to attempt understanding of the unexplainable for others. In other words, belief helps folks to find purpose in a randomly chaotic world.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Jared

      The purpose of life should be to love, laugh with and care for each other. Not to satisfy the desires of someone who doesn't exist. This is where the world has gone wrong. Compassion for one another will cure selfishness, and allow everyone to feel satisfied.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • Greg

      Amen

      July 24, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
  11. edward nelson

    all i know is god has always answered my prayers.so please start praying for aurora.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • rAmen

      dear god, I want a pony, give me a freaking pony!

      July 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @rAmen- you are demanding..not praying

      July 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Adam

      Why me?!?! You have a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SUCCESS RATE on the efficacy of prayer! You're our only hope, Ed! Ask and you shall receive.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • rAmen

      where's my pony?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • sam

      Please, please, can I have a pony?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Commentable

      God does not always say yes

      July 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • The Problem of Evil

      @edward

      You've kept detailed records on the questions posed to god in prayer, recorded contemporaneously with the request, then reconciled each request with a measurable outcome so as to avoid confirmation bias?

      I fail to see how the claim that "god answers questions with either 'yes' or 'no'" is objectively distinguishable from my claim that god is not a factor in the outcome of the question being posed.

      July 25, 2012 at 4:21 am |
    • Carl

      Ah, I see . . . so praying to God is like praying to a jug of milk. Sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes the answer is no, sometimes the answer is wait. What an amazing god you have. You god is much better than the other thousands of gods that have been worshiped throughout the ages and your religion is much better than those hundreds of other religions.

      http://richarddawkins.net/videos/1399-praying-to-a-milk-jug

      July 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  12. Religion is Not Heathly for children or ANY living things

    If our so-called "God" really exists, but allows senseless mass murders like this to occur anyway, then what good is our so-called "God"? Why bother to pour adoration on a deity that doesn't care if crazy insane people murder innocent crowds of people? WHY, because there IS NO GOD. There is only us on this fragile planet and WE must make positive changes to improve our civilization, because there is no one else here to do that for us! WE are responsible for our problems! There is NO magical being that is going to make things better for us unless WE make it happen...

    July 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • jaugustine

      God loves us so much that he gave us free will and we are given the free will to choose as we shall. We as humanity are locked in sin and that is why these horrible things happen it is us. God forgives us for these and doesn't condem us. and God is not magical he is a divine being that wouldn't just make everything a fake happy place

      July 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "then what good is our so-called "God"?"

      I like it how atheists always talk about God like he is just some sort of tool hanging up waiting to be used. God does not look to us for his relevance.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • hmd

      Lycidas – "God does not look to us for his relevance"

      Really? Then why does "God" require human worship? Bored? Narcissistic? Just because "he's God? (lame) Co-dependent?

      July 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Lycidas

      hmd- "Then why does "God" require human worship?"

      He doesn't. Psalms 40:6

      In Micah 6:8 it says, "He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."

      July 24, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Marshall

      To jaugustine: How is a world in which God gave us free will different from a world in which we just happen to have it? If God lets us do anything we want, no matter how deplorable – how is that any different from a godless universe? You have hope and faith and (I hope) love, but you have no proof at all.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • Funny

      Your lonely, huh? I'll send you a puppy cause you need a friend. 😛

      July 25, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • Funny

      Better yet: "you're". Sorry, I am a bit slow.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
  13. Barry McKockner

    Heaven?

    July 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
  14. just sayin

    I find it interesting that they are putting up crosses in the picture. God/Jesus was an utter fail and powerless. Such a weak and pathetic God to worship. I am guessing the folks in the picture do not realize or know the Jews copied and made up their God.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "God/Jesus was an utter fail and powerless."

      Hmmm, so you are saying that God tried. I have to thank you for finally acknowledging that God exists. You can now be the envy of all atheists on the board.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "or know the Jews copied and made up their God."

      Evidence?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • just sayin

      Lycidas

      "or know the Jews copied and made up their God."

      Evidence?

      ---–

      Do your research beyond 500 BCE.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Lycidas

      just sayin- "Do your research beyond 500 BCE."

      I have..there is none. Just the hopes and dreams of ignorant atheists putting there faith that correlation equals causation.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • just sayin

      Lycidas

      just sayin- "Do your research beyond 500 BCE."

      I have..there is none. Just the hopes and dreams of ignorant atheists putting there faith that correlation equals causation.

      Well then you already came to your conclusion. Enjoy it.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Lycidas

      just sayin- "Well then you already came to your conclusion. Enjoy it."

      I always enjoy the truth.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • just sayin

      Actually, let me clarify..around 800 BCE. Is there any other archaeological evidence prior to around 800 BCE to collaborate the wild stories in the OT?

      July 24, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • just sayin

      Truth/facts and Gods do not go hand and hand. Assumption/Faith go hand in hand with Gods. You have stories in the OT that were derived from a much older another religion. If you wish to shrug that off, so be it.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • just sayin

      Story of Adam, Noah's Ark, Story of Daniel, Story of Job, Story of Jonah, Story of Samson ...sigh copied/borrowed from others.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Lycidas

      just sayin- "around 800 BCE. Is there any other archaeological evidence prior to around 800 BCE to collaborate the wild stories in the OT?"

      Don't know what you mean by "wild" stories. Don't used bias sounding words.

      As far as archaeology..we have around and prior to 800BC:
      Hezekiah's tunnel & the Siloam inscription
      Lachish relief cofirming the existence of the kingdon of Judah
      Taylor Prism confirming the siege of Jerusalem as recorded in II Kings
      Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III confirming the existence of Omri and Jehu
      Shishaq Relief
      Merneptah Stele confirming the existence of Israel as far back as 1,500BC

      July 24, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "You have stories in the OT that were derived from a much older another religion. If you wish to shrug that off, so be it."

      I would never shrug off the fact that you have NO evidence to back up your statement.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "story of.......sigh copied/borrowed from others."

      You have no evidence to support that notion. When you have evidence that an ancient writer lifted parts of other stories and incorporated it into there stuff...please show me. But correleation does not equal causation.

      July 24, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • just sayin

      Lycidas

      "story of.......sigh copied/borrowed from others."

      You have no evidence to support that notion. When you have evidence that an ancient writer lifted parts of other stories and incorporated it into there stuff...please show me. But correleation does not equal causation.


      Same stories were already do cu mented thousand + years before in other religions and civliations in the region....ah yes...we don't call that copying...we call it repeated coincidence

      Story of Adam, magical tree, Noah's Ark, story of Daniel, story of Job, story of Jonah, story of Samson.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "coincidence"

      That's not evidence of anything. You probably think the penguin and auk are cousins then as well since they look alike.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • just sayin

      Lycidas

      "coincidence"

      That's not evidence of anything.

      annnnnnnnnnnnd that is why I said it must be repeated coincidences with the surrounding civilizations having much older stories and heroes that predated OT.

      A coincidence (often stated as a mere coincidence) is a collection of two or more events or conditions, closely related by time, space, form, or other associations which appear unlikely to bear a relationship as either cause to effect or effects of a shared cause, within the observer's or observers' understanding of what cause can produce what effects.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "annnnnnnnnnnnd that is why I said it must be repeated coincidences with the surrounding civilizations having much older stories and heroes that predated OT. "

      And they are not my dear. Taking mutliple unrelated societies that seem to share similarities with another does not mean they were connected in any way.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • just sayin

      "unrelated"
      .
      Now this is the question for a wandering group in the same region. Realistic wise what were they exposed to?

      July 26, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Lycidas

      As our atheist friends would say...where is the verifiable, irrefutable, scientific evidence of what they were exposed to or where.

      July 26, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  15. Hotsoup

    The issue doesn't revolve around belief in god, but rather the interpretation of the events as seen through the lens of religion. Believers often shield their perceived god by claiming that any event, no matter how chilling, is simply all part of the plan. To go so far as to claim that a god that one worships is capable of such atrocity through inevitability is a suspension of logic. Perhaps it is more important to attribute the events to the evidence, and to what emotions one might feel watching this situation unfold. Don't debate the religion side of it, who cares, you're not changing anything by focuses your irrelevant beliefs (in terms of a religious debate from both sides) and admonishing, protecting, or praising god (assuming you are a believer.) Interpret the events in your own way, but don't push a long-standing battle into the mix and claim that it has any place. It doesn't, and it won't until the reactionary side of this tragedy is over, and the philosophical side becomes pertinent.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  16. wayne

    "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

    This is the dame exact thing an imaginary God would do as well. Is there any objective measure we could take to tell them apart?

    If a God exists and never intervened that would be ok. However, that hasn't always been the case. He heals people of cancer, gets people jobs, ect. So whenever something like this this question has to be asked. The fun part is watching the believers of the same faith give conflicing answers, which is really odd since they all have a personal relationship with the same Jesus.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • just sayin

      Christians need to pray harder and fight for those brownie points for times liek this.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Siddhardhaby Aby

      God does not will what is good.But he gave humanity the free choice of choosing good or bad.Ubfortunately man chose bad and so this happened

      July 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Siddhardhaby Aby

      Yep....ur almost right.God did not will these events of course...but he gave humanity the free will of choosing what is right and wrong.Unfortunately men chose wrong with the evil so these happen with humanity responsible

      July 24, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  17. Jason

    Where was God? He was where he has always been. Nowhere because god does not exist.

    July 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jason, you are a perfect example of why we see God's wrath.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • sam

      This is your fault, Jason. I'll even bet you like apples, don't you.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, you are just as guilty.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • sam

      No, this one's all on Jason. I don't even like apples.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • wartech0

      Religion is a way to control and it works perfectly. Look at all these people who will defend their religion to the death not ever questioning anything. You want to know dangerous thinking, religion is dangerous thinking. If you want to be religious pray at your house. The bible was just a book written by humans to explain things they don't understand. Why is this thought process still here? You know I look out at the stars at night, I realize that we are so little of what is actually there. We constantly divide and hate because of differences. I think people should be reminded that what we have here is precious, and it didn't need a grand creator. As the human race moves forward we start to realize that things that are considered 'godly' are within our grasp. We should be the sentinels of the human race not god. And I do not need god to be a good person, I help people daily. I am more christian like then most religious people I know. Not because god tells me I have to be, but because I know its better for my race, the human race. So tell me again why we need god?

      July 24, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Exist

      Since I can't see your brain, I guess you don't have one either.

      July 25, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Exist

      Yet we can measure the brain. We can autopsy every recently dead person and see they have a brain, and through inductive reasoning, determine that, most likely, all humans have a brain very similar in composition and function to eachother. We can also see what a lack of brain function results in, and what an overstimulation of brain function looks like.
      Simply put, your comment is stupid.

      July 25, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  18. just sayin

    God was listening to Drowning Pool on his IPod...."let the bodies hit the floor"

    July 24, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • rAmen

      You just confirmed what all MacFanboys know is true: Steve Jobs was god

      July 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  19. Unknown

    Where were the atheists at? They think they are s

    July 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Jason

      You are an idiot

      July 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • sam

      Candlejack got Unknown! Woo hoo! Now we don't have to listen to anym

      July 24, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Unknown's 4th Grade Teacher

      Unknown,

      Only stupid people say "Where is he AT?". "Where is he?" is sufficient (and correct English).

      July 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
  20. AverageJoe76

    If God can block someone's heart from seeing his truth, then how can 'free will' be justified? Is this the 'Mysterious Ways' section of God.....? ......tsk, I hate this section

    July 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      AverageJoe, God is giving you what you are asking for with that free will of yours. When you no longer want your heart to be blocked and you are willing to seek God, just knock and He will open the door of His truth to you. Until then, stay foolish.

      July 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Which God??

      It's alway door #3, AJ76. The price is right, anyway. 😉 (chic-a-boom, chic-a-boom).

      July 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      I was waiting for God to answer, HeavenSent. Your option of 'stay foolish' is already a work in process. For God to show me that YOU are making sense; that, my friend, would be a miracle to debunk the historical definition of miracles. In fact, for God to prove to me that you are a rational person, I'd literally be inspired to build a time machine, go back to the first human to spout the word 'miracle' from their lips, and smack them in the back of their head. Why? Because absolutely nothing would trump mkaing sense of your words. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh-MEN

      July 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      AverageJoe, you keep proving your ego won't allow you to go humble and seek His truth. I care less about the vanity you post.

      July 24, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Drew

      Yes I can tell that you totally dont care, thats why you keep posting. Makes sense to me!

      July 24, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
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