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Where was God in Aurora massacre?
Twelve crosses comprise a makeshift memorial near the Aurora, Colorado, movie theater, scene of last week’s mass shooting
July 24th, 2012
02:13 PM ET

Where was God in Aurora massacre?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Where was God in Aurora?

It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering, natural disasters or - if you believe in it - evil?

We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different responses.

“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.

That riled @TheTrivia Jockey, who tweeted, “If that was God's will, God is definitely not deserving of my worship.”

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

@trentpayne also took issue with the Colorado pastor: "I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Pastor. God gives free will to man, but it wasn't his will that they die."

The back-and-forth provoked other believers to chime in on the theological issue of God’s sovereignty vs. human free will, with many Christians seeking to explain how a sovereign God could preside over seemingly senseless bloodshed.

“It is not God's will or want that people died in Aurora,” wrote @GospelBluesman 20m. "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

The conversation and debate continued in the comments section of this post, with some insinuating that the massacre might be a kind of divine punishment, or at lease divine neglect:

Lenny
We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?

Jesse R
Liberals have made it impossible for God to be anywhere during the upbringing of a child. Can't have any religious connotations in schools, libraries, government offices, etc., etc. Young men (and women) are growing up with no real sense of right and wrong. ... We no longer have the right of religion, but rather the right from religion. Parents no longer have the ability to discipline their children. We are always looking for the excuses ... violent video games and movies, bad teachers and schools ... when we should be looking in the mirror. We as a society are the reasons these massacres happen. We have allowed our children to become social misfits that lead to the kind of carnage we have seen on several occasions since religion and God disappeared from what the Founding Fathers once said was a necessity of a successful democracy ... faith.

Lots of readers used religious takes on the shooting to challenge the whole idea of God:

Who invited me?
How do you know the people that were killed didn't go to hell?, and how exactly does any of this show there is a reason? Reason is obviously something that you have replaced with belief, and you threw out logic with it.

Kyle
"God doesn't exist, so he wasn't anywhere. Get over it. A man was evil, and he was evil because he was crazy.

Plenty of others said the shooting was the devil's work:

Harleyxx
Evil things like this happen because Satan is the god of this world ... for the time being. God will undo all the damage caused by Satan's rebellion and man's disobedience when the time is right. In the meantime we all experience trials and tribulation due to living in an ungodly world. That is why Jesus taught his followers the Lord's Prayer ... 'to pray for God's kingdom to come.'

What’s your take? Where was God in the Aurora massacre? Or do you feel that such tragedies are evidence for a godless universe?

Let us know in comments, and we’ll highlight the best ones.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: God • Violence

soundoff (10,690 Responses)
  1. Trent...

    You cannot attribute blame to something that is not real. Therefore, I agree that 'God' had nothing to do with this.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • TJ

      God is real. He had nothing to do with this. It was the free will that we all have... to do good, or bad.

      Take that free will away from mankind, and what are we?

      July 24, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Benjamin Libet proved that free will is a myth. Your statement " take away..." belies a fear, that without your myth system, you have nothing to replace it with. Some day you will have to grow up, and put away the fear. Grow a pair, and face existence head on, without your crutches. Google Neuroscience and free will.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      If god had nothing to do with this, then he is not omnipotent, omniscent, and omnipresent. Mighty weak- kneed god ya got yourself there. If he is omniscient, knew about it, and did nothing, he is a jerk. If he is omnipotent, and did nothing he is a jerk.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      God is long suffering, meaning He wishes that none of His children should perish to the lake of fire. Repent now, give up that ego, humbly ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness of all your sins that you know of and haven't a clue that were a sin. ask Him if you can get closer to Him (meaning to knock and He will answer by allowing you to seek His wisdom), and of course, sin no more.

      It's easy, all you need to do is ask Him.

      July 25, 2012 at 10:05 am |
  2. God

    LOL

    July 24, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  3. Crsystalclear008

    God is inside all of us in form of Cosnsience. If your consience says it is ok to kill some one then your god says to u it is ok.....If your consience says it is NOT ok to kill/ hurt some one then your God stops you from killing any one. If your selfishness/madness overshadows the consience then yes God is absent.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  4. Doc_78

    People who suggest that there is a god still have no proof that such a god cares about what we do. Even if you could prove there is a god, it is a whole extra set of belief to imagine that such a god is even aware of us, much less is involved in our lives to the point that life and death matters.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • TJ

      And if God were to come and prove you wrong, to your face... then what? Will you have "faith" then... or both knowledge and a great fear of Him? Can you not see that fickleness and folly of your own statement... the paradox that it is?

      July 24, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
  5. Shawn

    Who are we to ask what GOD should have or should not have done. You all seem to look at life as if all of those who were killed no longer exist. Life is eternal, their lives are continuing just not with us. This is why I believe that GOD does not interfere, GOD does not see the need. We grieve for our own loss, GOD has lost nothing.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Shawn

      You Said: "This is why I believe that GOD does not interfere, etc..."

      Operative word for your whole posting is summed up in that one word...*believe* vs. *fact*

      Peace...

      July 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Prove that spacetime exists outside this universe.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      And BTW, so you are saying god does not care ? (If god has lost nothing). Jesus H. Christ. Where do they get these people ?

      July 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • TJ

      Great post Shawn... excellent!!!

      July 24, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • TJ

      Reply to Peace2All: So, what you're saying is you don't believe in anger, fear, love, hate, happiness, sadness, etc.???

      Because THAT is what you stated in your post. I mean... prove "love" as a fact... I dare you! I want PROOF (fact) that the love you feel for another is REAL... via tangible, irrefutable evidence.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @TJ

      Hi -TJ...

      You Said: " @Peace2All: So, what you're saying is you don't believe in anger, fear, love, hate, happiness, sadness, etc.???"

      No, that's not what I said, nor am I saying.

      You Said: " Because THAT is what you stated in your post."

      No... again.

      You Said: " I mean... prove "love" as a fact... I dare you! I want PROOF (fact) that the love you feel for another is REAL... via tangible, irrefutable evidence."

      You're kidding, right ?

      Do I really need to point out the differences between replicable biological responses, in which we label them as 'emotions' vs. an intangible, yet supposedly exists without question, deity or God ?

      Good try though, -TJ. 😯

      Peace...

      July 25, 2012 at 3:33 am |
  6. Ryan

    We are at a point in our global society where the religious people bear the burden of proof for all their delusions. If you can't proof anything, your incoherent, sky daddy rambling should land you in a mental hospital.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  7. Rusty Richardson

    What an ugly question to ask, it shows the media bias before one answer is given. Maybe they should have asked, how many other future mass murderers or se3rial killers were taken out in the movie theater in Aurora? Stupid people ask stupid questions knowing full well it will rile up the hatred commenters.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  8. J

    God is love. He is hope, charity and humility. He is there now in all the support efforts given to the families of these victims. As was God their in the 9/11 rescue and restoration efforts. God in Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King Jr., President Lincoln, Nelson Mandela, Gandhi etc... God wont ever leave His children behind. He will always send His helpers to show He is still very much alive and well in the hearts of man. Where is God in this?? Look around!

    July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Tell that to Treyvon's mother. I dare you. Face to face. You can rationalize it anyway you want. Your god is a weak, impotent god. Human kindness arises in human beings because evolution has built in empathy. It has NOTHING to do with gods.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
  9. your boy

    I was at the mall with my friends when I was in like 11th grade and a religious dude came up and was trying to convince me that god existed. His major argument was that evolution is bs. His main argument for that was him repeatedly asking me how come a video camera can't evolve over time, which is really f ing uneducated. But anyway I humored him and said "Cameras can not evolve because they do not contain DNA. When DNA is being replicated in an organism through the use of DNA polymerase and other mechanisms, sometimes they slip up and read an incorrect nucleotide. Sometimes the mistake isn't caught and as a result a different protein is expressed. This leads to mutations and when the mutation is favorable the organism usually survives and passes on the mutation. Eventually the mutation is expressed in a population. This is evolution" He looked at me for a second, and then walked away like I was speaking spanish. Hahaha I was like 17 and this sorry man was like 34. Shout out to my people in pursuit of knowledge. What if everyone spoke science?

    July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Then religion would die. Why do you think they want creationism taught. It about their jobs.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Shawn

      I speak science and I hear very little scientific knowledge coming from you, a true scientist has an open mind to discovery. Perhaps one day you will discover GOD

      July 24, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Romans

      @ gerbil: Why do you think evolution is so militantly taught even though its evidence is shoddy at best??? Its about keeping their nice, comfortable jobs in academia. Our educational system has become intellectually fascist.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      If you really spoke science, you would know, that atheism is the Null Hypothesis. What is your evidence ?

      July 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      "Shoddy at best". Bwhahahahahahahaha.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • haha

      evolution isnt an idea or hypothesis that needs proof. lol its a phenomenon that is observed and described.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  10. Chuck

    What I find amazing in most of the comments is that so few of us are willing to say that we don't know the answer. We are all so sure of truths beyond our ability to understand. A little humility would do us all good as we talk to one another.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  11. SoundFuture

    It's an age old adage with an age old answer, his ways are not our ways.

    I don't claim to understand God, and no one else can.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Jamie

      Obviously his ways are evil, at best. Either god sits back and watches infants die of Aids and chooses to do nothing about it, or he doesn't exist. Of course god doesn't exist. Why would an omnipotent being answer Tim Tebow's prayers regarding a football game but allow the Holocaust to happen? Saying that we don't know his ways is a cop-out by ignorant people.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
  12. Believer

    God is always there but He allows free agency!! How can the wicked be judged accordingly if He is always stopping them?

    July 24, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Nissim Levy

      What about natural disasters. Why doesn't god protect the innocent from that? This isn't a matter of free will.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • Apatheist

      Is god not capable of judging people apon conception, or even before? If he is truely all knowing then he would have already known what was going to happen. He is either incompitent or indifferent... Or maybe he just doesn't exist.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • Jamie

      Believer = Brain ruled exclusively by fear and pleasure. Truly the lowest of all the primates.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Romans

      @ Nissim: You assume that there are innocent people. No person is innocent, but all have fallen short and are sinful to the core

      July 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Nissim Levy

      Romans, I understand now. So that little girl that was shot in the back in the theatre deserved it. Thanks for clearing that up.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Sinful to the core ? Have you considered psychiatry for your guilt problem ?

      July 24, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
  13. Nissim Levy

    Dear Christians. I would so much like to accept Jesus as my saviour. Unfortuntely I don't belive in god and Jesus. Can any Christian show me how to make the necessary neural changes in my brain so i can believe in Jesus?

    July 24, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • haha

      I can, I'm christian! Wait whats a neural change?

      July 24, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Rusty Richardson

      Having a bit of humility and being humbled helps.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Nissim Levy

      So if I become a humble person I will start believing in Jesus? So I guess all the muslims and Jews and Buddhists aren't humble. I understand now.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Trent...

      For that, my child, it is necessary to surrender all reason, logic, and critical thinking skills at the door...also it wouldn't hurt to have a childlike tendency to believe in fairy tales and imaginary friends. Good luck to you on your mythical quest.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
  14. Shawn

    Well, lets see. We don't want God in our schools. We don't want God in our courts. We don't want God in our Pledge of Alligance anymore, in short we don't want God in America anymore....Until something happens. Then everybody wants prayer and everybody wants to know where God was. As far as all you people mocking God.... well...you'll see.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Jamie

      Believe in me, or suffer. Spoken like a true ignorant christian. Don't you find it funny that the countries with least amount of religious influence harbor citizens with the highest level of education , the lowest poverty and the lowest crime rate? We are the country with the highly concentration of christians, by a huge margin. Yet, we are the most violent. Explain that retard.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Jason...

      Jamie don't wast your time with these idiots, I happen to live in the Bible belt and see their ignorance plastered all over their faces, workplace conversations, laws, etc. Trust me, it is a profound waste of time, as Dr. House said 'if you could reason with religious people there wouldn't be any religious people.'

      July 24, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Jason...

      Opps, I missed the e in waste, I hope you good christians don't berate me for that.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
  15. Bianca

    If there is no God, then we believe in men. The ones that are charming and charismatic, that can talk the best or crack the whip the hardest. If there was no God, we would have to invent it. All that earthly religions do is to come up with a sense of community stemming out of their concept of God. In Orthodox Christianity one can always only try to achieve goodness, but humans are weak, and we can never comprehend the divine. Whether we like it or not, humans must believe in something bigger then themselves - we are not the center of the Universe. Human laws fail, but our internal compass - our conscience or soul - is telling us what is right or wrong. Once you lose your soul, you are finished. It cannot be reconstructed, and you cannot acquire it back with no drugs and psychotherapy. You can only contemplate God, and your wickedness. But that is far from anyone's agenda today. The more wicked, the better. The more ruthless, the better.

    And for all those who still think that God is a beared man, sitting on a cloud dispensing judgement - feel sorry for you. But for those who do not believe in the great unknown - call it God, if feel even more sorry. We are too arrogant, too juvenile, and our leadership that moralizes all around the world reflects our state of immaturity perfectly. For those who think that they actually know what is Universe, and who can explain the concept of endless in our material world, are those who will believe that eath is flat as well.

    We can learn something about ourselves though this tragedy, and how we, collectively, enable disturbed people to go off the deep edge. We are the culture of people who want to be entertained, endlessly. We cannot take responsiblity for anything, and nobody of any consequence will ever be called to the account for their reckless behaviour. Our rhetoric is so far away from our practice, and the world that we are creating for our children will be their cross to bear.

    But it is pointless to talk to those who cannot hear, and who will just wave off any suggestion that we as a society are to blame for these insane acts of violence. To quote a Chinese proverb, a criminal commits the crime, but the society prepares it.

    Are we ready to confront the demons of our violent and permissive culture? Are we prepared to say ENOUGH to exposing ourselves and our children to violence and call it "fun"? Our lack of MENTAL HYGENE is astounding, and still - we do not get it. Even if we wanted to, we will not be allowed. Money, ,money and money - that is the God of our time, and in its name everything is permitted. It is almost amazing that we still even prosecute crimes and criminals. Why not go all the way, play God, and bestradle the Globe with our hubris. But we are paying for this, and paying dearly. We are living on fumes of our once prosperous economy, as we have decided to stay juvenile for ever.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • xchgon

      Drivel.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  16. TJ

    I've read many of the posts here, both from atheists and Christians alike. The former never answer the question and cannot, as they only believe they're the highest life form in the universe (in much the same way an insect in the forest, never having seen a human, does). The latter try to answer, yet never really touch on the author's question; "WHERE was God in the Aurora massacre?"

    The answer is fairly simple; He was right there, watching in horror, a pain in His heart for the brutality being put upon His children.

    And because God DOES exist, then this life is little more than a place where we earn our way into Heaven... it's not "all about us" as many would love to believe... but about being and sharing with Him all that He will freely give to us.

    So others ask, "Why does/would God allow atrocities like this, Columbine, VA Tech, and others to occur?" Great question, also easily answered, though much more difficult to understand, and even harder to accept. That answer is that God gave ALL of us "free will", and the moment He interferes with ANYONE'S free will, we are no longer His children – we then become His puppets. For if He interferes with one person's free will, then do ANY OF US have free will? The answer is a flat-out "NO".

    As (most) TRUE Christians know, death can happen at any time, and no matter what, death will ALWAYS come for us. From the moment we're born, we are heading towards death, with no guarantee when or how it will occur. And those TRUE Christians know to have their house in order BEFORE that occurs, if we desire to earn our way into Heaven.

    Death is simply a part of life – yet for knowing Christians, death is just a stop-over. Yes, God was there, and yes He watched in horror as His children were killed... but He KNEW that there were those who had earned their way into Heaven, for whom life would continue, and others who denied Him, whose destination would be for parts unknown (by me, at least).

    Christians know this, yet I'm sure atheists never consider that any "god" you can understand is no god at all – he's just a man. And if one needs "proof" of God's existence, then they may as well deny that love exists, along with hate, anger, happiness, and so on. After all, there is NO physical evidence they exist – yet they do.

    If God were to show himself to mankind, can you imagine the fear it would cause? Who would not fear doing wrong, feeling they have no free will lest His judgment strike them down??? That's not giving love freely. It's just fear. Yet Christian CHOOSE to love Him, though He never presents Himself physically. Loving Him is then a choice of free will, and not one based both in knowledge and fear of Him. And THAT is what faith is all about; the believe in something yet to be seen.

    So, if you want a god you can understand, cast yourself a golden calf, (or pentagram, etc.) and worship to your heart's content. And if you believe there is nothing greater than man, then as the insect in the forest is to man, so are you to this universe, and to God.

    And with all that said, the Bible is NOT a book of chemistry, physics, math, trig, archeology, etc. It is a book that teaches us about God, and how to live our lives – and written in a way that could be understood then, now, and in the future. If it were a book of science, it would take a freight train to move it.

    Lastly, to all atheists and doubters... I offer you Pascal's wager... it's there for you, like it or not.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @TJ

      You Said: "Lastly, to all atheists and doubters... I offer you Pascal's wager... it's there for you, like it or not."

      Actually, 'Pascal's Wager' cuts both ways.

      Peace...

      July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • gaucho420

      Get over yourself...yes, there's a god and you and your religious buddies cracked the code and know who he is, what he does and how he got there...whoa to the rest of us? Please.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • noevidence

      Yes, Pascal.. You can gain everlasting life and all kinds of sparkly things if you believe in some fantastic story, and you can look like an idiot while you're here as well. Your call. Try Russel's Teapot instead.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Jamie

      Easily some of the most idiotic, nonsensical garbage I've ever read. To quote Billy Madison "Nothing that you said even comes close to what is considered a rational thought. Everyone who read this is now dumber for doing so. You are awarded no points and may god (pun intended) have mercy on your soul.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • TJ

      Reply to Peace2All: Yes, Pascal's wager does cut both ways... sort of. I don't need to bet though. Simply put, I don't want to be in your shoes. It's atheists that are on the losing end of Pascal's wager... always. Yet to them, I'm just wasting my time.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • TJ

      Reply to Jamie: I'll consider the source of your words, as I'm sure others will also do. In the meantime, I strongly suggest you take some remedial reading classes, and hope you can get past your cognitive distortions one day.

      July 24, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @TJ

      Hi -TJ...

      You Said: "@Peace2All: Yes, Pascal's wager does cut both ways... sort of. I don't need to bet though."

      Again, you are *a s s uming* that 'your' version of an after life, (should there be one) is THE one.

      You see that's the problem with Pascals Wager... it is very easily defeated, as there are infinitely many scenarios for a life after death.

      You Said: " Simply put, I don't want to be in your shoes. It's atheists that are on the losing end of Pascal's wager... always."

      Yet, again... *sighing* please see my answer to the last statement where you are *a s s uming*

      -TJ... You might want to study up a bit on your philosopher's a bit so you have a better understanding when you are attempting to debate.

      Regards,

      Peace...

      July 25, 2012 at 3:40 am |
  17. Ruben

    There is nothing that stands between man's evil and its victims. Remember slavery, apartheid, the holocaust? Those who survived the massacre will say "God saved my life", those who did not survive, would probably not be so sure about God. But you don't hear them, that's why this debate continues.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • TJ

      Such foolisness – Did God "really" save those who survived? Or did those who perished earn their spot in Heaven, and are truly the fortunate ones? Don't bother answering, because you cannot do so definitively, and unless you can, your point is barely moot.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
  18. Don

    There is no god, so the question is meaningless. A better question is: where did the guy get all the money to pay for the weapons?

    July 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • xchgon

      Gov't. Student Loans. They give it away like candy.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • MHB

      Satan

      July 24, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • Apatheist

      There is this new thing called credit...

      July 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • TJ

      Yes Don, God was there, watching, bring home those who earned their way along side Him. However, you cannot see anything which interferes with your little world, those things far, FAR beyond your comprehension. Better you live your life in ignorance as you are, then try to comprehend, with any clarity, something far deeper than a nickel-deep mud puddle.

      I offer to you Pascal's wager.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
  19. Romans

    Why are people (especially atheists) so quick to blame God and Christianity for a tragic event. You'd think they'd be smart enough to blame this on something they actually believe in.

    July 24, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Atheist = Thinker

      We don't blame God or Jesus... we blame their delusional followers. Pay attention.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      This is a young Christian learning Jesus' truth. Then has to go into work where there are some that believe Jesus' truth and provide Him a safe landing, then there are others that do satan's bidding. Confusing. You bet.

      Mark 16:15-16

      15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
      16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      Amen.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Romans

      Like I said. So this was Christianity's fault? And Christians are to blame for this??? Just like a typical atheist. Blame everyone else, especially the christians. Its sad that you can't think critically.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • TJ

      So true. Ironic they all condemn God for the free-will actions of a man. I guess, fascists they are, they would want a god who takes their free will from them when it suits the needs of others. But then those atheists wouldn't have faith. They would condemn God for taking away the free will of mankind... that He gave to us knowing many would use it for naught.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • SoundFuture

      Atheist-Thinker,

      Thank you for the clean input. It's really the point I'm trying to drive home with my friends and family. We're all Christians, but only some of us can see outside the bubble to see the absolute carnage that organized religion delivers and the threat it poses in the future.

      Regards,
      SoundFuture

      July 24, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
  20. Atheist = Thinker

    "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do,
    because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."

    - Susan B. Anthony 1896

    July 24, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Atheist = Thinker

      ^like^

      Peace...

      July 24, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Thinkers of what? Babble. Just repeat "Unique New York" 3 times quickly. That's all you atheists do is trip over your own big egos.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • noevidence

      Big egos? How humble is it for you to actually believe that you have the good graces of an omnipotent being? Please. If you want babble, just pick a random verse from your special book. Here, I'll do it for you:

      10 “‘If the offering is a burnt offering from the flock, from either the sheep or the goats, you are to offer a male without defect. 11 You are to slaughter it at the north side of the altar before the Lord, and Aaron’s sons the priests shall splash its blood against the sides of the altar. 12 You are to cut it into pieces, and the priest shall arrange them, including the head and the fat, on the wood that is burning on the altar. 13 You are to wash the internal organs and the legs with water, and the priest is to bring all of them and burn them on the altar. It is a burnt offering, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord.

      Boy that helps. A whole bunch of pagan worship.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Atheist = Thinker

      HeavenSent – I suppose to a Christian, thinking is foreign... So I'll make it simple for you... Thinkers of math, biology, chemistry, genetics, physics... And let's not forget logic and common sense... To bad you have no ability to understand any of these things.

      July 24, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
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