Where was God in Aurora massacre?
Twelve crosses comprise a makeshift memorial near the Aurora, Colorado, movie theater, scene of last week’s mass shooting
July 24th, 2012
02:13 PM ET

Where was God in Aurora massacre?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Where was God in Aurora?

It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering, natural disasters or - if you believe in it - evil?

We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different responses.

“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.

That riled @TheTrivia Jockey, who tweeted, “If that was God's will, God is definitely not deserving of my worship.”

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

@trentpayne also took issue with the Colorado pastor: "I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Pastor. God gives free will to man, but it wasn't his will that they die."

The back-and-forth provoked other believers to chime in on the theological issue of God’s sovereignty vs. human free will, with many Christians seeking to explain how a sovereign God could preside over seemingly senseless bloodshed.

“It is not God's will or want that people died in Aurora,” wrote @GospelBluesman 20m. "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

The conversation and debate continued in the comments section of this post, with some insinuating that the massacre might be a kind of divine punishment, or at lease divine neglect:

We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?

Jesse R
Liberals have made it impossible for God to be anywhere during the upbringing of a child. Can't have any religious connotations in schools, libraries, government offices, etc., etc. Young men (and women) are growing up with no real sense of right and wrong. ... We no longer have the right of religion, but rather the right from religion. Parents no longer have the ability to discipline their children. We are always looking for the excuses ... violent video games and movies, bad teachers and schools ... when we should be looking in the mirror. We as a society are the reasons these massacres happen. We have allowed our children to become social misfits that lead to the kind of carnage we have seen on several occasions since religion and God disappeared from what the Founding Fathers once said was a necessity of a successful democracy ... faith.

Lots of readers used religious takes on the shooting to challenge the whole idea of God:

Who invited me?
How do you know the people that were killed didn't go to hell?, and how exactly does any of this show there is a reason? Reason is obviously something that you have replaced with belief, and you threw out logic with it.

"God doesn't exist, so he wasn't anywhere. Get over it. A man was evil, and he was evil because he was crazy.

Plenty of others said the shooting was the devil's work:

Evil things like this happen because Satan is the god of this world ... for the time being. God will undo all the damage caused by Satan's rebellion and man's disobedience when the time is right. In the meantime we all experience trials and tribulation due to living in an ungodly world. That is why Jesus taught his followers the Lord's Prayer ... 'to pray for God's kingdom to come.'

What’s your take? Where was God in the Aurora massacre? Or do you feel that such tragedies are evidence for a godless universe?

Let us know in comments, and we’ll highlight the best ones.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: God • Violence

soundoff (10,690 Responses)
  1. Craig

    When asking a question like this, I think the best place to go for the answer is Job. Specifically read the last couple chapters. Also most people look at this question assuming we start from a position of moral goodness...which is false. I mean, I essentially start there myself. It's hard for us to wrap our mind around that fact that we are all deserving of hell without Christ. Third, let's remember that there is a lot of good that you can see in all of this. I know it was a terrible tragedy, but all of our days are numbers. Let's try not to diminish what all of those brave people did by saying "What if?". I mean, I know we do anyway...but again, we only have a certain amount of time to live, and there were a lot of really brave people that saw the culmination (and end) of their life in a very brave, selfless act...

    July 25, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • gagal

      In the book of Job, God is in cahoots with the devil to prove that even if the devil kills Job's children and causes all kinds of havoc, that Job would not curse God. So are you saying that God allowed this to happen because he has another bet with Satan?

      Yes, we should celebrate the heroics of those who risked or gave their lives for others. Aren't there less brutal ways for God to give us reasons to celebrate?

      "We have a certain amount of time to live..." If God plans for a child to live only a few years on this earth, can't he "call her home" without brutality? Or should we celebrate a parent's failed attempts to spare their child's life?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:24 am |
  2. LinCA

    Atheism is a religion.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • Senile Dementia

      "Atheists" believe in reason and logic, using tools such as evidence, facts, and probability.If you call that religion, so be it. Spread it around!

      July 25, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • LinCA

      @Fake LinCA

      Thanks. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

      You said, "Atheism is a religion."
      You have to be extra special stupid to believe that. Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby, or bald is a hair color.

      Atheism is simply the lack of belief. Nothing more.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • k kim

      Actually, isn't lacking belief actually referred to commonly as being agnostic as opposed to atheistic. Atheism requires a leap in logic to go from "there is no proof that God exists" to "God does not exist". You say you care about proof but fail to acknowledge that you cannot prove a negative, ie, that God does not exist. Therefore, atheism is not simply nonbelief but a belief in something that can never be proven.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • LinCA

      @k kim

      You said, "Actually, isn't lacking belief actually referred to commonly as being agnostic as opposed to atheistic. Atheism requires a leap in logic to go from "there is no proof that God exists" to "God does not exist"."
      Theism and atheism are about belief, gnosticism and agnosticism are about knowledge. they are not mutually exclusive.

      I'm agnostic because I don't (and can't) know whether there are any gods. I'm an atheist because I don't believe there are any. Please note that there is a subtle but crucial distinction between:
      a) Believing there are no gods, and
      b) Not believing there are any gods.
      Version a is a belief without evidence to back it up, while version b is simply a disbelief.

      You said, "You say you care about proof but fail to acknowledge that you cannot prove a negative, ie, that God does not exist."
      Like I said, I can't prove there are any gods. The complete lack of evidence in support strongly suggest there aren't any, but that is not 100% certain.

      You said, "Therefore, atheism is not simply nonbelief but a belief in something that can never be proven."
      There are atheists that claim there aren't any gods (often referred to as strong atheism). I'm not one of those. I simply don't believe there are any until there is a rational case for them.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • k kim

      That is my point. In years past, people like you would call themselves agnostic meaning you would believe in God upon proof but now atheism has somehow come to include people like you. Atheism is sure spreading like it is religion.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • LinCA

      @k kim

      You said, "That is my point. In years past, people like you would call themselves agnostic meaning you would believe in God upon proof but now atheism has somehow come to include people like you."
      I suspect that is mostly an effect of your misunderstanding of the meaning of the term. It has included people like me for a very long time.

      You said, "Atheism is sure spreading like it is religion."
      Te free flow of information may have something to do with that. People are more than ever, exposed to different ideas. It is far more difficult for religious people to shield their offspring, and keep them fully immersed in only their delusion.

      For people that have both the ability and the willingness to rationally evaluate religion, it becomes an untenable position. Being exposed to a variety of ideas will aid in that ability.

      July 25, 2012 at 9:46 am |
  3. virginia

    it's ask of those who believe in God to separate from evil, he even clean a sick man tormented by evil who ask juses to clean him of all the evil that had trapped him juses place all the bad spirites into a heard of pigs, those pigs then dye due to the evil in them...no doubt Holmes had alloed evil to control his body and cause harm to others...Holmes now can ask to be liberated from such evil and be free and forgiven agains...wil he do it - that would be up to holmes and only God know is he will...

    July 25, 2012 at 12:25 am |
  4. drjazz07

    We worship a man who was murdered in the most painful way imaginable. And we hold up a text that says two important things: first, that even the cast of the dice is already known by God, and second, that Christ was perfected in his suffering.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • virginia

      if you think God suffer the death of his son juses, who was murder inthe most horrific manner by the blind of heart, how much more do you think he suffers every day when he sees who he loves being decieved and walking away into harms way...while he pleads staywithin safety and he's words are not heed...God didn't stop his suffering up on his son's death, cause he knew he'd be with him soon, it was for us Juses agree to be the way so we too cold find God's wisdom and be safe too...

      July 25, 2012 at 12:34 am |
  5. beccasue

    Where was God? In the past few decades we as a nation have systematically removed even the mention of God from our schools, our courts, our government and our homes and families. Voices have risen loudly and shaken their fists crying "there is no God or even if there is, what is that to do with me?" Where was God? Not where He isn't wanted and is repeatedly told He isn't needed nor desired.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • :)


      Thank you very much. Every single fúcking atheists should read this

      July 25, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • Senile Dementia

      The question everyone should be asking is where Santa Claus was. And the Tooth Fairy. And Unicorn and Leprechaun. Where were they while this was happening?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • Rick James

      Awwww, God has his feelings hurt. What a drama queen. If you don't worship him constantly, you deserve to be shot. Who would worship a God like that? It's like he has human qualities that were put into God form...Oh wait.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • beccasue

      No, it's a loaded question meant to encourage an emotional response. If you are a believer, you know where God was. If you don't believe – why do you even care?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • tallulah13

      beccasue, the reason non-believers care is that as long as a significant portion of the population is waiting for a mythological being to come and cure their woes, nothing substantial will be accomplished. God had nothing to do with the massacre in Aurora, unless the murderer was somehow inspired by religion.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • gagal

      So, God is somewhere pouting and letting innocent people be massacred because there are those in this country (but not necessarily in that movie theater) who doubt his existance???

      Even during the time of Jesus' supposed miracles there was a whole world of people who were not believers. As a mere non-ominpotent mortal I can think of better ways of getting the message across that I exist. How about sparing all true Christians from untimely death or the pain of cancer? How about the miracle of sparing the true believers lives when things like this happen....and I mean miracles like suspended bullets, or bullets which fly through the body causing no harm.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • Ms Galaxy

      If god bails when he isn't wanted or needed, he isn't very omnipotent, is he?

      July 25, 2012 at 4:50 am |
  6. :)

    LinCA is truly a big bítch móron..... she needs medication to cure her mental disease!!

    Atheists will be a minority all the time and the cult will slowly die... Christianity and Islam increases fast.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • Rick James

      Now the troll's throwing tantrums online. Adorable.

      Atheism is neither a cult nor religion. I could make this point a billion time and Christians wouldn't get it. Shows how well they can grasp simple concepts. And at the rate Christians and Islam like to fight, you could be wrong.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • Eric

      I dont agree with Rick about much but...yeah he hit the nail on the head.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Rick James

      Appreciate it, Eric.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • LinCA


      You said, "LinCA is truly a big bítch móron."
      Did I hit a nerve?

      If you feel that I was wrong in any of my posts why don't you articulate an argument. Show me where I was wrong, and why. So get out of your diaper and pull up your big boy/girl pants and state your case.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:38 am |
  7. Daniel

    Would you everyone just please shut up about God's judgement on America and all of that speculation on the reasons for all of this? You're not God, you can't say why it happened. We live in a world full of pain, and disease, and evil, and the only bit of understanding we can get is to see how in the midst of this hell, there is a God who loves us and wants to hold us in his arms. Maybe you cannot even imagine that right now in the midst of all this evil and think God is the stupidest idea ever. I'm okay with that, I even think God's okay with that. I have seen time and time again how God brings light in the most dark situations.

    But if you claim to believe in God or not, stop all of the senseless, heartless chatter about God's judging America. How dare you make someone's tragedy about your theological assumptions? Let's love on each other instead of passing judgement.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Peace2All


      Hi -Daniel...

      It appears that you are also making "theological as-sumptions" here, yes...?


      July 25, 2012 at 12:26 am |
  8. Natalie

    Our God-the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, is a God of choice. Not force. He wants us to make the choice to love him. Obviously, some don't make Him their choice. To intervene, would be taking away someone else's freedom of choice. God won't do that no matter how stupid their choice is.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • Rick James

      Do you have free will in Heaven? Probably not.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:22 am |
  9. Senile Dementia

    I want to know where Santa Claus was. And the Tooth Fairy. And Unicorn and Leprechaun. Where were they while this was happening?

    July 25, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • :)

      They were inside your mom's vágina and ásshole........

      July 25, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Senile Dementia

      I personally believe in the Great Mehta Shebu Dlihlai. I understand he kicked your god out of heaven; he went to Jupiter to do create a new world.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:26 am |
  10. virginia

    God is every where, in every one of us including Holmes when he was acting out his aggression on others...judgement comes to those who depart from the presence of the lord...those who stop seeking is sherter and protection by choice, those who felt protected by the grace of God in their heart felt safe at every moment during the event even though they knew someone wan't not accepting God's grace in this case holmes among others in that theater...God truelly keep you save if you believe he is the one who create you and can keep you save, though understand that humans don't know God's greater plans he gives life and has promise life ever after to those who bellieve in him amd his mercy...if you feel fear it sould be the fear of separating yourselve from his presence and mercy...If God didn't allowed Holmes to act up his aggression there be no true freedom of choice between good and evil...even then God's mercy would find it in his heart to forgive and shelter Holmes if he's clean heart and spirit called out to him....and be careful let's God finds more purity in Holmes heart then on those who have not repented of their sin....only God knows the heart of men and his thoughts...

    July 25, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • 1914

      I like how everyone is trying to give God's P.O.V. like they just had coffee with him. Why should anyone believe what any imperfect human has to say about anything when it comes to God's viewpoint on this matter?

      As the founder of Christianity, Jesus himself never spoke from his own thinking but quoted scriptures when answering questions... Who are we to think that this does't apply to us???

      2Timothy 3:16 – Enough said!

      July 25, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Eric


      July 25, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Senile Dementia

      I personally believe in the Great Mehta Shebu Dlihlai. Your god sucks compared to my god!

      July 25, 2012 at 12:22 am |
  11. hudsony

    To my fellow believers in Jesus: When we decided to be critical of non-Christians and not love everyone like Jesus did we went wrong. When we started pointing out the sins of people that don't even know Jesus, while overlooking our own we asked to receive the contempt that others show for us. Instead of being like Jesus, the friend of sinners, we became the finger pointing, political moralist and lost the leverage we had with the people we're supposed to be sharing the love of Jesus with. As sad as it is to read some of the hateful comments, we're just reaping what we've sowed. We need to get off our self righteous soap boxes and love people like Jesus did.

    To those who hate Christians and find us mean and hateful, please forgive us and realize we're nothing like Jesus, he's amazing and loves you more than you can imagine. He even loves us in spite of our failure to represent Him like we're commanded to. Instead of drawing your opinions of Him based on the failures and mistakes you see in us, check Him out for yourself in the pages of the New Testament. All the ugly things you see in us won't be seen in Him.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Daniel

      Thank you. We are sorry. We recognize that the reason we believe in Jesus and talk about him, is we need someone to love us, to bring us back to what can really give us life.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • Eric

      So true.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • Nick K

      Good point of view hudsony, I'll give you credit for actually thinking instead of just saying one phrase louder than someone else can back and forth... I believe the concept of God is a good thing, and I struggle to grasp some things, but I don't think religion fits into this. Unless of course you look at Gods "gift" to man, free will. Then it comes down to good vs. evil. But I don't know the answer and Literally no one does. What I do know is James Holmes is guilty of 12 murders and many more injuries... it's all sad regardless if it involved a God or not. I believe we are damning ourselves.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:37 am |
  12. ArthurP

    Lets see what the founding Fathers thought of religion:

    1. "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"- Thomas Jefferson

    2. "The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in
    the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs." -Thomas Jefferson

    3. "It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticism's that three are
    one, and one is three; and yet the one is not three, and the three are not one- Thomas Jefferson

    4. "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin
    will be cla.ssed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."- Thomas Jefferson

    5. "There is not one redeeming feature in our supersti.tion of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and
    the other half hypocrites."- Thomas Jefferson

    6. "Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin .

    7. "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."- Ben Franklin

    8. "I looked around for God's judgments, but saw no signs of them."- Ben Franklin

    9. "In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it."- Ben Franklin

    10. "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it"- John Adams

    11. "The New Testament, they tell us, is founded upon the prophecies of the Old; if so, it must follow the fate of its
    foundation.'- Thomas Paine

    12. "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."- Thomas Paine

    13. "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine

    14. "Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of
    God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies."- Thomas Paine

    15. "All national inst.itutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."- Thomas Paine

    16. "It is the fable of Jesus Christ, as told in the New Testament, and the wild and visionary doctrine raised thereon, against which I contend. The story, taking it as it is told, is blasphemously obscene.”- Thomas Paine

    17. "Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring
    from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."- George Washington

    18. "The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession."- Abraham Lincoln

    19. "It may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to unsurpastion on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best guarded agst. by an entire abstinence of the Gov't from interference in any way whatsoever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect agst. trespa.sses on its legal rights by others."- James Madison

    20. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

    21. History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the
    lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. Thomas Jefferson

    July 25, 2012 at 12:11 am |
  13. :)

    LinCA @

    If your people stop putting banners/billboards, stop attacking Christians, stop sueing people, stop trying to get rid of religion from public, etc. then we might have liked you more.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • Blow me

      You only you guys get to do that stuff? Let's face it – religion has done all those things you abhor more and for longer than Christians.

      And we could give a rat's ass about your love or approval.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • LinCA


      You said, "If your people stop putting banners/billboards, stop attacking Christians, stop sueing people, stop trying to get rid of religion from public, etc. then we might have liked you more."
      I couldn't fucking care less if christards like me or not. Believers are a dying breed. The free flow of information will be the death knell of your delusion. I may not live to see the day, but it will come that believers are a small minority in the US.

      But I don't really see what you are so afraid about. No matter which statistics you believe, atheists are currently a small fraction of the US. The problem may be that they are the smarter part.

      Don't worry, I won't try to force you to give up your delusion, nor will I advocate forced medication for your obvious mental illness/retardation. You are free to believe whatever bullshit you want.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • :)

      LinCA @

      You seriously need help... go take your medz to help you out and sleep deep (hopefully you never wake up again)

      It clearly shows how arrogant and stupid atheists are. Thanks for showing it to us!

      July 25, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • LinCA


      You said, "hopefully you never wake up again"

      You said, "It clearly shows how arrogant and stupid atheists are."
      Stupid? You may want to take a close look in a mirror. I'm not the adult still believing in the Tooth Fairy.

      And I'd much rather be arrogant than delusional.

      If you have any rational arguments in support of your imaginary friend, instead of just insults, let me hear them. If not, ave fun with your infantile beliefs.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • Nick K

      LinCA... Jesus loved sinners. I don't think he'd appreciate you joining a rant and calling someone or for that matter a group of individuals mean spirited, attackers of Christians, etc etc.... I mean... Atheists usually don't even try to persuade their views onto you as much as a Christian would... I have no idea why I'm typing this. You're just going to attack me. Well. Ok then.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • LinCA

      @Nick K

      I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.
      Are you suggesting that Jesus would disapprove of me, or of my opponents (well, let's just call them that)?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:01 am |
  14. Bruce

    To quote Sam Harris: “Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist.
    God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

    July 25, 2012 at 12:07 am |
  15. Hypatia

    Trick question?

    July 25, 2012 at 12:04 am |
  16. In God We Trust

    If atheists were not militant, did not sue religious people, stop persecuting us and left us alone with our power; we would have been accepted you guys!

    July 25, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Rick James

      History proves you wrong. And I left the Christian faith. I didn't like the "acceptance".

      July 25, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • :)

      Rick I don't believe you were a Christian

      July 25, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • Hambone Jones

      Sorry for being so "uppity", Maser! We's be good!

      July 25, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • Rick James

      I was told not to feed the trolls, but such stupidity had to be addressed. And if your don't believe me, fine. But at least I have proof to backup my claim, while you don't.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Hambone Jones

      Definition of a "Militant" Atheist is one who says publicly that they don't believe in God, and why. Oooh ... Scary!


      July 25, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • St. Paul


      July 25, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • Craig

      Rick, your problem is you're making yourself the absolute judge. You're basing morality and truth off of your limited observations...not making room for the fact that someone (God) might have a broader perspective and higher intelligence.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • tallulah13

      Craig, why in the world would I expect a higher perspective or greater intelligence from something for which there is no proof of existence? This is the basic problem of religion. There isn't a single shred of evidence to support the existence of any god. Believing in god is tantamount to believing in elves or unicorns. It's a cultural habit, which can be set aside when one considers the subject with objective logic.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:05 am |
  17. Ben

    I do not believe this kind of action is intended by God. At the same time we live in either a closed or an open universe. In an open universe people can act and become something through their action (act with real effect – to live in either love or hatred are both real and shape what we become). I see God present, for example, in love through people caring day after day for aids patients or caring for the children of aids patients . Ultimately God is present in Jesus in human suffering and finally in resurrectioin power to overcome sin, suffering, and evil.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:03 am |
  18. uponthisrock

    "Where was God in this tradgedy..." the same place He was as His Son hung upon a cross. In total control.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • St. Paul

      you do realize I hope, that when an ancient Hebrew said a man was a "son of god" it basically meant he was "a good guy". There were many many men who were given that general honorific ti'tle.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • Eric

      Yes believers are children of GOD JESUS was HIS only begotten son.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • St. Paul

      Too bad he never claimed to be. If he had, he would have been stoned on the spot.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • BillyJ

      Ah, so God tortured Jesus! Great father, that one.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • Eric

      Humble he who wants to be first must be last.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • BillyJ

      How "humble" can you be if you believe that we are the special creation of the being that made the universe?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:33 am |
  19. Salero21

    Drought over 60% of the territory, criminals on the loose with military weapons "Legally" purchased, violence on the streets, gangs shootings, mobs and mobsters in every major city, DRUGS & addictions of every type imaginable, DISEASE all around, Forests Fires every year, dust storms, Tornados every year & everywhere, wars everywhere, enemies all over the world, few friends, civil unrest, not a single generation without a war, the biggest nest of crooks and cults in the history of mankind, etc. etc. & etc. The list is almost endless!

    Sorry but it looks to me like ONE NATION UNDER GOD'S JUDGMENT.

    July 25, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • Rick James

      Or it's just the sadder side of human nature. But that would be too reasonable, wouldn't it?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • St. Paul

      There are 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars. You can't possibly think a god gives a sh1t about us, do you ?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • BillyJ

      Yup, all that marching against gay marriage must have really angered God. Was there ever a time when so many people claiming to be His followers were so lacking in basic human compassion?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:31 am |
  20. Reality

    Whose side was god on when all the horror and terror of the following occurred?

    The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
    M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

    The Muslim Conquest of India

    "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Century……..(Religions/Groups involved)

    1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

    2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

    3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

    4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

    5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

    6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

    7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

    8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

    9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

    10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

    11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

    12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

    13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

    14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

    15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

    16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

    17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)

    18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

    19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

    20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

    July 25, 2012 at 12:00 am |
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