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Where was God in Aurora massacre?
Twelve crosses comprise a makeshift memorial near the Aurora, Colorado, movie theater, scene of last week’s mass shooting
July 24th, 2012
02:13 PM ET

Where was God in Aurora massacre?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Where was God in Aurora?

It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering, natural disasters or - if you believe in it - evil?

We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different responses.

“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.

That riled @TheTrivia Jockey, who tweeted, “If that was God's will, God is definitely not deserving of my worship.”

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

@trentpayne also took issue with the Colorado pastor: "I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Pastor. God gives free will to man, but it wasn't his will that they die."

The back-and-forth provoked other believers to chime in on the theological issue of God’s sovereignty vs. human free will, with many Christians seeking to explain how a sovereign God could preside over seemingly senseless bloodshed.

“It is not God's will or want that people died in Aurora,” wrote @GospelBluesman 20m. "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

The conversation and debate continued in the comments section of this post, with some insinuating that the massacre might be a kind of divine punishment, or at lease divine neglect:

Lenny
We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?

Jesse R
Liberals have made it impossible for God to be anywhere during the upbringing of a child. Can't have any religious connotations in schools, libraries, government offices, etc., etc. Young men (and women) are growing up with no real sense of right and wrong. ... We no longer have the right of religion, but rather the right from religion. Parents no longer have the ability to discipline their children. We are always looking for the excuses ... violent video games and movies, bad teachers and schools ... when we should be looking in the mirror. We as a society are the reasons these massacres happen. We have allowed our children to become social misfits that lead to the kind of carnage we have seen on several occasions since religion and God disappeared from what the Founding Fathers once said was a necessity of a successful democracy ... faith.

Lots of readers used religious takes on the shooting to challenge the whole idea of God:

Who invited me?
How do you know the people that were killed didn't go to hell?, and how exactly does any of this show there is a reason? Reason is obviously something that you have replaced with belief, and you threw out logic with it.

Kyle
"God doesn't exist, so he wasn't anywhere. Get over it. A man was evil, and he was evil because he was crazy.

Plenty of others said the shooting was the devil's work:

Harleyxx
Evil things like this happen because Satan is the god of this world ... for the time being. God will undo all the damage caused by Satan's rebellion and man's disobedience when the time is right. In the meantime we all experience trials and tribulation due to living in an ungodly world. That is why Jesus taught his followers the Lord's Prayer ... 'to pray for God's kingdom to come.'

What’s your take? Where was God in the Aurora massacre? Or do you feel that such tragedies are evidence for a godless universe?

Let us know in comments, and we’ll highlight the best ones.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: God • Violence

soundoff (10,690 Responses)
  1. Jespo

    Stone Age beliefs held dear by the Neanderthals of today's human population....delusional, delusional, delusional...

    July 25, 2012 at 11:20 am |
  2. ObamaJoe

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,our soul never die,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Our physical body is made from earth by GOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    It's a toy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    One of God's kids destroyed another kid's toy .

    That's all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Their soul will learn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Their soul will learn how to manage this planet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it's their destiny,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    I don't think GOD is feeling sorry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is smiling on this Aurora massacre,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Dam,,,,,,,his kids are not grown up yet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    July 25, 2012 at 11:20 am |
  3. t-bone

    God has been driven out of our nation by the minority that is offended by a simple cross on a lawn and by the Liberal politicians that cater to that minority.
    When God was driven out, the vacuum created was quickly filled by Satan and his followers.
    Get used to this sort of thing as it will become more and more common as people believe they are free to commit any crime they choose without repercussions.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • LinCA

      Delusional much?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • t-bone

      prove me wrong.
      This sort of thing has been on the upswing right along with the Atheists push to remove god from our nation.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Godfrey

      "God has been driven out of our nation..."

      Not much of a god, was he?

      I think it's more accurate to say that "gods" have been driven out of our IMAGINATION, by logic and rational thinking.

      Present company excluded.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Who invited me?

      t-bone
      prove yourself right...you are the one making the claims, so where is this satan of yours? The proof mind you , not your belief, not your sopeculation, but proof of this evil creation of god that god allows to do anything.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Think-About-It

      T-bone is seeing reality and telling it as it is

      It always amazes me how those who are obviously living their lives in delusion, love to point their fingers at those who are not, calling them "delusional".
      Is it envy and complex of inferiority that you've got, LinCa, hm?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Genold

      If it were possible, we'd like to drive you out of this country to. You and those like you are the impediments to progress and peace. Your God is the God of War, Ignorance, Starvation, and Prejudice.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • LinCA

      @Think-About-It

      May I suggest you take your own advice and think about it, if you can?

      You said, "It always amazes me how those who are obviously living their lives in delusion, love to point their fingers at those who are not, calling them "delusional"."
      How would you call an adult who still believes in the Tooth Fairy? One who still believes in Santa Claus? Do you really think they are of sane mind?

      Believing in something without any support in evidence isn't a logical position.

      You said, "Is it envy and complex of inferiority that you've got, LinCa, hm?"
      Are you thinking straight? Are you suggesting that I am envious of believers? If that were the case, don't you think I could easily remedy that? Could I not simply close my eyes, ears and mind and just follow the crowd?

      Atheists are in no way inferior to believers. The opposite is actually the case. Atheists are, on average, more intelligent than believers. I'm sure that will change over time as more and more people will shed the bullshit beliefs and become atheists. It will inevitably drive the mean down.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Think-About-It

      LOL!....... If it was not for "our" God and His mercies , this world would be filled with cannibalism. But wait just couple more decades, till the godlessness ripens to full measure in this country..... You'll be wishing you had a hole in the ground to hide in, because time is comming when you too will be viewed as no more then a piece of meat! The violence and perversion you call entertainment will be your daily encounter!
      But that's what happens to society that has known and honored God and then thrown Him out! You just wait, you'll see!

      July 25, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Think-About-It

      "Atheists are, on average, more intelligent than believers."

      Oh, Mercy! ! ! LOL!

      July 25, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • LinCA

      @Think-About-It

      You said, "LOL!"
      I'm glad you can laugh about it. I agree that it is highly entertaining sometimes.

      You said, "If it was not for "our" God and His mercies , this world would be filled with cannibalism."
      Have you listened to yourself lately? Do you read what you write?

      Are you suggesting that atheism will lead to more crime? If so, you may want to brush up on your facts (no, not the ones your preacher provides).

      You said, "But wait just couple more decades, till the godlessness ripens to full measure in this country..... You'll be wishing you had a hole in the ground to hide in, because time is comming when you too will be viewed as no more then a piece of meat! The violence and perversion you call entertainment will be your daily encounter!"
      ROTFLOL

      You said, "But that's what happens to society that has known and honored God and then thrown Him out! You just wait, you'll see!"
      That seems to be the pervasive christian refrain, "Just you wait and see, the world will end/you'll end up in hell/society will collapse/....".

      July 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Think-About-It

      @LinCA
      Yeah, I said it, and I'll say it over and over again, because the truth needs to be spoken. You can take it or leave it, but don't try to mix it with honey to swollow it!
      The problem with this generation of self absorbed brats it that they think they are above truth and nothing will touch them! They need a jolt of reality to get them out of their lullaby!, When reality hits them, there will be no one to cuddle them, and speak comfort to them!!
      As for me, reading my own comments... yeah, I do it and approve of them – wholeheartedly. They're just my style!

      July 25, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  4. Godfrey

    Where was Santa?

    July 25, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • ObamaJoe

      Who is Santa??????

      July 25, 2012 at 11:21 am |
  5. American Pie

    Geez, did not know so many people have rock solid proof God exist and know him on a one on one basis that they can explain why this happened in God's voice and words...And they called the gunman crazy.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • t-bone

      you are in the "Belief" section.
      What kind of discussion did you expect.
      You were probably looking for the anti-religion crowd, thats on the CNN front page and everypage except this one.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Who invited me?

      wrong t-bone
      I am very anti-religion and I am right here.
      HI !!!!!!!

      July 25, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • ObamaJoe

      hi:)

      July 25, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Think-About-It

      I would agree that although this is called a belief blog, satan's bond servants gather here like flies, to satisfy their urge to trash up the Name of Jesus Christ. Hate on these blogs goes very deep! But we KNOW where it comes from!

      July 25, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  6. Mel Myers

    By bestowing the "gift" of free will on humans, God in effect rid himself of all responsibility for suffering and evil. Without this so-called "gift" God would then be held responsible for all the suffering and evil in the world. However, the principle of free will fails to explain the suffering of families who have lost loved ones in pandemics from disease, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, floods, and starvation from famine. St. Augustine is generally credited with creating the religious concept of free will. The idea of free will, was of course, an attempt to explain why God would allow so much suffering, pain and evil in the world.
    Even if we accept the concept of free will, it is clear it has its shortcomings in its ability to explain suffering and evil. The Jews did not make a choice to die in the ovens ot Auschwitz. In fact, they did not even have a choice whether to be Jewish. How could an all-powerful God standby and allow the mass murder of millions of innocent men, women and children? There is no acceptable answer to that question. Are we to believe the Jews did not pray to God to save them and their families? Some Christians would say "we can't hope to understand God's ways, he must have had other plans for the Jews." That tired cliche insults our intelligence. Also, the millions of children who die of starvation in Africa each year did not choose to die of starvation. In fact, they didn't even choose to be born.
    The Old Testament God intervened on a regular basis to save the Jews from their enemies and in the New Testament, Jesus intervened to drive out demons and cure his fellow Jews of their ailments. If God and Jesus (some say they are the same person) could intervene to save people 2-3,000 years ago why not do that in Aurora, CO in July 2012?

    July 25, 2012 at 11:19 am |
  7. Roger

    God was just where he always is - in the minds of the deluded who believe in him.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • ObamaJoe

      Wrong,,,that's a fake GOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just like these fake Jesus followers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      They never saw GOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they even never touched by the light of GOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      July 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
  8. David

    Good news. Christ was resurrected and overcame death. So we all will be resurrected and live forever and receive our reward for our deeds here on earth. These victoms are in a better place. It is just hard to see them go and some day we will be reunited. In the short run this sucks. But trust God He knows what he is doing. Our life here on earth is just a sliver in time, a time to be tried and tested and to prepare to me God. Don't worry He has a plan for us. God lets things happen because of the free agency of men.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Madtown

      Don't worry He has a plan for us. God lets things happen because of the free agency of men.
      -----
      That is all good news indeed. However, your last sentence contains serious flaw, do you not see it? If God "has a plan" for us, then we do not have free agency. If we have free agency, then there could be no plan.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Who invited me?

      That by definition is not news...it is old.
      Let me know if you have trouble getting that hook out of your mouth....

      July 25, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • David

      Madtown-

      Would you like God to force you to make right decisions?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Madtown

      David
      Would you like God to force you to make right decisions?
      -----
      Ah yes, the veiled threat. The hallmark of the christian. Again...........does man have free agency or not? If we did, God wouldn't "force" us to do anything.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • David

      Madtown-

      By plan, I mean that there is life after death. Life does not end after death. Where you end up after this life will depend on your choices?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Madtown

      David
      By plan, I mean that there is life after death. Life does not end after death. Where you end up after this life will depend on your choices?
      -------–
      David, I believe in a spiritual life after physical death. But, if its details depend on our choices here, then we have free will? Still not sure how this equates to the existence of a plan. But, that's my whole thing anyway, I don't know. I don't think we can "know" the real answers to any of these questions. Makes for interesting discussion, though! Cheers...

      July 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  9. God is Good

    We live in a fallen world where people suffer as the result of it. If every person on this planet woke up tomorrow and began to live what the Bible says, "in context", crazed gunmen would not burst into theaters, every war would cease, every hypocrite would cease, starvation would be handled by the outpouring of charity from those with the most, husbands and wives would be faithful and caring to each other, kids would respect their parents, parents would not mistreat their kids, religious intolerance would cease because we would all be on the same page, God would be known for who He truly is and we would not have questions like this. But as long as we seek to walk our way instead of his way, the best we can hope is the consequences of our arrogant rebellion against our Creator.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • secretsquirrelstuff

      Although what you wrote is in good nature and I respect your opinion.

      It sickens me that human beings like you exist in this world by the vast masses.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      You haven't really read the bible have you...?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • Topher

      Amen.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • God is Good

      The Bible must be read in context. "A text without a context is a pretext for trouble."

      July 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • ObamaJoe

      Wrong,,,,We are not living in a fallen world where people suffer as the result of it.

      We are waken up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      July 25, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Genold

      So the six year old who died from gunshot wounds was fallen? If that is what your God stands for, then your God is the standard by which we should judge evil. For your God is surely that....evil.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • God is Good

      Genald, Does your experience show you that this world is anything, but fallen? The fact that a six year old was brutally murdered rather reinforces that to me. The six year old is the victim of man's obstinance to God. Man murdered that boy, not God.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • God is Good

      Genald, I did not mean boy, I meant child

      July 25, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  10. Bails

    Just as I believe in God, I believe what it says in His word about Satan. Earth is Satan's domain right now, until tribulation and the end of days. I believe in the book of Revelation. This act of violence had nothing to do with God and everything to do with Satan. I don't pretend to understand it all, and my heart grieves for those lives lost. But it doesn't waiver my faith in my Lord one bit.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Genold

      If God is perfect, but God created Satan, then God is imperfect.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:31 am |
  11. Vicki

    God does exist, and He does care; but He gave man free will, and He won't override it. He will, however, intervene if asked in faith through Jesus Christ. To say this act or any act like it, is God's will is to say that sin is God's will, and it's not. We live in a fallen world, and it's dangerous. We need God, but most push Him away, and He won't override a person's will by forcing Himself on someone if He's not asked. It doesn't bother me to hear unbelievers say disrespectful things toward God, but it does bother me to hear another Christian say that something like this is God's will. If you believe that, you don't know God.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  12. IceOpen

    I know where god was.

    God was busy protecting pedophiles. God was busy enabling jihadists to murder helpless people. God was busy expanding Mexican drug cartels.

    So, please stop disturbing god with your prayers. He is quite busy as it is.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  13. Topher

    Good morning. If you have a theological question about Christianity you'd like to discuss, let's talk ...

    July 25, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Thus far the only answers you've given me consist of "God is awesomely magical and can do anything."

      July 25, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Topher

      Well, God can do anything that is logically possible, but what is your question?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • LinCA

      @Chris(topher)

      In reversed order today. How is christianity any different from a belief in the Tooth Fairy?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why should I ask questions of someone whose answers consist of "I just KNOW"?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • LinCA

      @Chris(topher)

      How come otherwise intelligent adults can't seem to shake this infantile belief?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      You STILL have not answered the question from 2 weeks ago as to why a "perfect god" needs to be recognized (worshiped) by humans.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Madtown

      Hey, the arrogant authority figure is here, yippee. My question once again is, why on earth do you feel you are qualified to answer anyone's questions? You are no authority. If you want to discuss topics, great, but you have no answers that anyone else doesn't also have.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Topher

      No Truth, Just Claims

      "You STILL have not answered the question from 2 weeks ago as to why a "perfect god" needs to be recognized (worshiped) by humans."

      I'm pretty sure I did answer this. He doesn't NEED us to do anything. But He does deserve to be recognized and worshipped because of what He did for us ... died taking the punishment we deserve.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      If God is perfect, how can He be jealous?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Topher

      Madtown

      Do you know what the Gospel is?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Madtown

      Topher
      Do you know what the Gospel is?
      ----
      One thing that I(and everyone else here) know for certain, is that you are a laughingstock.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Topher

      So is that a 'no'?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Here's one for you: didn't you out yourself as a Poe?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Genold

      Christian apologists have had since the Vatican was founded to develop pithy answers that say nothing but sound pretty good to anyone who asks any question about God. Frankly listening to the delusional meanderings of such people is a complete waste of time and only validates their overly inflated egos.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      No Topher,

      That does not answer the question. If he did not NEED recognition then he would not REQUIRE us to worship and acknowledge him as a god order to be saved. "Remember the sabbath, you shall have no gods before me. I am a jealous god" We should not have ANY reason to FEAR a perfect god.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Topher

      If it is a 'no,' then perhaps I do have information you do not. And perhaps that information is exceedingly valuable to you.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Madtown

      Topher
      Good morning. If you have a theological question about Christianity you'd like to discuss, let's talk ...
      -----
      You know what? I just noticed that you have modified your usual opening, and it now sounds a little less arrogant, and you mention "discussing" topics, instead of just offering that you can answer any and all questions. I had become so used to your standard opening, that I missed this change. So, I do apologize for that. Discuss away!

      July 25, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Who invited me?

      Tom...
      haven't you noticed that when topher is trying to p off people with frustrating non-answers, that unkown/trolldoll/ fake HS etc and the latest one that was screaming psycho babble stops for a while.
      It gets bored with one form of trolling and changes to another.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Topher

      Madtown

      Yes, someone (was it you?) pointed out to me my original posts came off as arrogant. I really don't understand that claim, but I don't want to come off that way. So I changed it up. I never claimed I know all the answers. But I do know the Gospel and have yet to have an atheist even attempt to tell me what it is. I think I know the way to eternal life. And if I think I know it, don't you want to hear what that is? How much hate would I have to have to think I know that and not share it? So I ask again ... Do you know what the Gospel is or says?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Madtown

      Topher
      But I do know the Gospel and have yet to have an atheist even attempt to tell me what it is
      --------
      Not sure if this is directed at me, not that it matters, but I'm not an atheist.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Topher

      Madtown

      "Not sure if this is directed at me, not that it matters, but I'm not an atheist."

      My bad. What is your bent?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Topher

      Anyone else? Can anyone tell me what the Gospel says?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Topher,

      1) You still did not answer my question. There is plenty of evidence that the god of the bible requires worship, why does a perfect god require worship in order to withold punishment? Saying "he doesn't" is not an answer.

      2) Anyone can see what is WRITTEN in the gospels, obviously you think your understanding is the correct one over other christians with opposing views. Why? Give solid reasons why you are right and they are wrong.

      Hint: You can't because it is just an opinion.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Topher

      No Truth, Just Claims

      "1) You still did not answer my question. There is plenty of evidence that the god of the bible requires worship, why does a perfect god require worship in order to withold punishment? Saying "he doesn't" is not an answer."

      You do not understand the Gospel either. You are not being required to worship God. Worshipping, ie, going to church, won't save you. You must repent and trust Him in order to be given His grace. If you understood what exactly He did for you, you won't just think you have to worship. You'd be broken over what you've done to Him. You've sinned. You've fought against Him. You continue shaking your fist at Him. And despite this, He died for you, taking the punishment you deserve. He has only offered you love and forgiveness, but you aren't interested. So my question for you is: Why not? Why wouldn't you want that?

      "2) Anyone can see what is WRITTEN in the gospels, obviously you think your understanding is the correct one over other christians with opposing views. Why? Give solid reasons why you are right and they are wrong."

      You'll have to be more specific. What do I believe that other Christians don't?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Madtown

      Topher
      My bad. What is your bent?
      -----
      I believe in God, do not believe in religion. I think religion is a creation of the human mind, meant to try and answer things that we are just not capable of answering. Human tendancy is to be inquisitive, to try and solve things we don't understand, and this is good, but not to the point where we are concocting answers.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Topher

      Madtown

      Very interesting. So what are your beliefs about God? Who is He?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Topher,

      There are over 33,000 different versions of Christianity, why is your interpretation of the gospel correct?

      And you are correct, I don't understand the gospels because they contradict each other and the only way to make sense of them is through mental gymnastics, which you may be good at to rationalize you belief but so are the christians that disagree with you. You don't know any more about god than anyone else on this planet, you just claim to, and your claim is without proper foundation.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Topher

      No Truth, Just Claims

      I don't mean the gospels as in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I mean the Gospel. Do you know what we Christians say Jesus did ... why we worship Him?

      July 25, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Yes Topher,

      God sacrificed himself to himself to create a loophole for a rule that god created. It makes no sense. And yes Topher I was raised christian with 12 years of christian education, that is how I know it is bunk.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Topher

      No Truth, Just Claims

      What doesn't make sense about it? The sacrificial system was set up back in Genesis and is seen throughout the OT. Why do you think it is bunk? I didn't grow up in a church.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Topher,

      I could write a book about what is wrong with the OT and why it makes no sense and many have. Take the time to read one. I recommend one called "Biblical Nonsense" by Jason Long. You are of the opinion that the bible is completely true and the god described is perfect, logically that is not possible, either the bible is full of errors and cannot be trusted or the god described is far from perfect. Keep in mind there are Scientologists and Muslims who believe just as strongly as you do, every religion can't be true.....but they CAN all be false.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Topher

      No Truth, Just Claims

      "I could write a book about what is wrong with the OT and why it makes no sense and many have."

      But what I'm asking is what about it bothers you? I know a lot of people have problems with it, but I'm curious why YOU don't believe it.

      "You are of the opinion that the bible is completely true and the god described is perfect, logically that is not possible, either the bible is full of errors and cannot be trusted or the god described is far from perfect."

      What is there that makes God not perfect?

      "Keep in mind there are Scientologists and Muslims who believe just as strongly as you do, every religion can't be true.....but they CAN all be false."

      This I agree with. But that also means one of them could be true.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
  14. Robert Brown

    Where? He is everywhere he wants to be. Was he at the scene? I think he was. WHY? The answers of course are speculation, unless you were directly affected and God reveals the tragedies meaning for you personally. Even so, the reason could be different for the next person.
    As to the speculation, you can read numerous accounts in the bible of suffering and death. Some could be Gods correction of, or punishment for, sin. He punished sin 500 years after the offense, or immediately, and everywhere in between. Some could be as God demonstrated in Job by allowing Satan to sift him. Or, for someone else it could be for a higher purpose. How many have had their faith increased through suffering? How many were brought to a saving knowledge of God by the death of a loved one?

    July 25, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      "He punished sin 500 years after the offense, or immediately, and everywhere in between."

      In other words your god is an arbitrary, immoral pri.ck.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Genold

      Robert you should seek professional guidance. Your delusional beliefs are out of touch with reality.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Robert Brown

      No Truth, Just Claims,
      I think nonbelievers call God mean for a lot of reasons. For example, if you really believe that this life is it and there is no eternity or life after death, then death of the body is the worst thing imaginable. So the idea that God would kill someone who was innocent is deplorable. All humans, believers, or not can understand how awful that sounds because it is, no doubt about it. But now, if you can, imagine it from Gods perspective, this human life versus heavenly bliss, a few years on earth versus forever in paradise. Comparable?

      July 25, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Robert,

      The people in the bible that god commands to be killed or kills himself, including babies and children, I have a hard time believing that your god then turns around and awards them eternal life in paradise. If that is the case what is the point? What if I was in that theater as an atheist and I was killed, would I not be punished? Now what if I was allowed to live another 10 years and lets say in that 10 years I changed to christianity (and picked the right version) I would then be saved. The god who allows this to happen is an arbitrary jerk and does not deserve worship.

      July 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  15. Sandy

    free will I agree, God is not the Ruler of this World, we are flesh and things will happen to us, and in God's Children, he is Glorified, and uses even the Bad things that happen to DRAW PEOPLE TO HIM.....TO GOD BE THE GLORY....God uses pain, hurt and even the Bad things for His Glory....people ask WHY, because we are flesh, because of our choices we make, because we live in this WORLD, God's children are not of this World, but we live in till Jesus comes back, and He will....

    July 25, 2012 at 11:10 am |
  16. secretsquirrelstuff

    As horrific and sad as this shooting tragedy is.. as all events undertaken by evil people.

    None of those tragedies are as horrific and sad as the fact that the civilized world still believes in a higher power.

    12 people were killed and many more wounded by Holmes.
    The day after 14 people died in a car accident in Texas.
    That same day 30 people were killed in a suicide bombing in Iraq.
    A man had his entrails cut out in Mali today and dozens were executed in Syria.

    Yet we have the audacity to bring up God whenever WE have troubles and woes?

    Pathetic and meek humans. Since the dawn of time only the strong endured on this planet. But in this "civilized" world the weaklings are safe, they prosper, and they play a part in which direction human civilization is headed. They bring their religion with them because they are too scared and feeble to accept that when they die they become nothing more then nutrient to the ground and a memory to their friends and family.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Yes, you are of course correct. Jesus said that the rich and powerful had what they needed for this world. He came for the lost, the poor, the sick and the sinner. Be thankful that you are one of the powerful, if in fact you are. You have your reward. I am grateful that I found my need for a Savior. I am too weak for this world.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:19 am |
  17. Cait

    I know where he was!..in your head. Same place your imaginary friend always is.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • ObamaJoe

      Funny,,,,,,,,,,GOD is in your muddy head 😀

      He made your head with mud,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      July 25, 2012 at 11:27 am |
  18. cgs

    God set the world in motion with it's good and evil and lets us deal with it. God sees our character as we face our challenges and burdens. He allows the bad guys have to act out so He can send them to hell in a fair judgment with plenty of evidence. Earth life is short, eternity is long. God will make it all fair and just in the end.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • JMorcan

      Exactly right. Anyone who must ask "Where was God?" has failed to understand his plans for us. Meaningful life starts after this one.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Genold

      OK so we are being asked to accept that the pain, sorrow, cruel death and brutality are all part of God's plan? We have to accept that God is the architect of horror and holocaust? That when a massacre of innocents, and the destruction of entire races of people occurs it is the will of God? What sort of God are you believing in? What madman set in place your concept of a just and loving God.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
  19. majav

    God? God. God!

    No two people in the world think exactly the same about who God is and how He operates in the world. What you believed about God when you were six years old is vastly different than what you thought when your were 16 and what you will think about Him when you are 60 and beyond.

    God is unknowable. If He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, He is too much to know.

    You are much better off putting such considerations aside and living humanely, considerately, and respectfully.

    If there is a God, He believes in you even if you don't believe in Him.

    I don't believe in God as you do. I do not believe in God like anyone else in the world.

    I don't point fingers and get mad if you don't see it my way.
    Neither should you.
    Live and let live.

    God either helps you be more loving and generous, forgiving and gentle, or He doesn't.
    Actions speak louder than words.

    I'd rather have atheist neighbors who were honest and kind
    than Christian ones that damned me into hell every 5 minutes.

    Have you considered being an atheist?
    It is a good life and nothing bad will happen to you.
    It keeps the mind clear of excuses and esoteric explanations that are nothing but conjecture and fantasy.
    Most of the time these thoughts get in the way
    and keep you separate from (better than or less than) others.
    We are connected if only by our genetic code and ability to breathe the same air.
    We don't need the concept of God to confuse the affinities we share.

    Common ground is just that... and lofty fluffy clouds or burning infernos
    are silly if you keep two feet firmly planted right here- in the here and now.

    July 25, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Bails

      so sad

      July 25, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Stopthemadness

      The golden rule is all that matters no matter what religion you follow. If you live by that rule then no matter what when you die if you believe or not you have a shot if Hevean does exist. And if it doesn't then at least you lived a good life.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • ObamaJoe

      Wrong,,,,,,,,,,when you see him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is the one,,,,,,,,,and who ever see him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is the same,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      July 25, 2012 at 11:28 am |
  20. Martin

    I'm an atheist, thank God!!

    July 25, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • ArthurP

      (Booming voice in background)

      You're Welcome.

      July 25, 2012 at 11:21 am |
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