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Where was God in Aurora massacre?
Twelve crosses comprise a makeshift memorial near the Aurora, Colorado, movie theater, scene of last week’s mass shooting
July 24th, 2012
02:13 PM ET

Where was God in Aurora massacre?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Where was God in Aurora?

It’s a fresh take on an age-old question: Why does God allow suffering, natural disasters or - if you believe in it - evil?

We put the question to Twitter on Tuesday and got some starkly different responses.

“In short, God was in complete control, exercising His will,” wrote @PastorRileyF, who leads a church in Bethune, Colorado.

That riled @TheTrivia Jockey, who tweeted, “If that was God's will, God is definitely not deserving of my worship.”

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

@trentpayne also took issue with the Colorado pastor: "I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Pastor. God gives free will to man, but it wasn't his will that they die."

The back-and-forth provoked other believers to chime in on the theological issue of God’s sovereignty vs. human free will, with many Christians seeking to explain how a sovereign God could preside over seemingly senseless bloodshed.

“It is not God's will or want that people died in Aurora,” wrote @GospelBluesman 20m. "God allowed man's inhumanity to man, rather than intervene.”

The conversation and debate continued in the comments section of this post, with some insinuating that the massacre might be a kind of divine punishment, or at lease divine neglect:

Lenny
We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?

Jesse R
Liberals have made it impossible for God to be anywhere during the upbringing of a child. Can't have any religious connotations in schools, libraries, government offices, etc., etc. Young men (and women) are growing up with no real sense of right and wrong. ... We no longer have the right of religion, but rather the right from religion. Parents no longer have the ability to discipline their children. We are always looking for the excuses ... violent video games and movies, bad teachers and schools ... when we should be looking in the mirror. We as a society are the reasons these massacres happen. We have allowed our children to become social misfits that lead to the kind of carnage we have seen on several occasions since religion and God disappeared from what the Founding Fathers once said was a necessity of a successful democracy ... faith.

Lots of readers used religious takes on the shooting to challenge the whole idea of God:

Who invited me?
How do you know the people that were killed didn't go to hell?, and how exactly does any of this show there is a reason? Reason is obviously something that you have replaced with belief, and you threw out logic with it.

Kyle
"God doesn't exist, so he wasn't anywhere. Get over it. A man was evil, and he was evil because he was crazy.

Plenty of others said the shooting was the devil's work:

Harleyxx
Evil things like this happen because Satan is the god of this world ... for the time being. God will undo all the damage caused by Satan's rebellion and man's disobedience when the time is right. In the meantime we all experience trials and tribulation due to living in an ungodly world. That is why Jesus taught his followers the Lord's Prayer ... 'to pray for God's kingdom to come.'

What’s your take? Where was God in the Aurora massacre? Or do you feel that such tragedies are evidence for a godless universe?

Let us know in comments, and we’ll highlight the best ones.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: God • Violence

soundoff (10,690 Responses)
  1. ootpguy

    God is not sitting behind the steering wheel of the world. He set the world in motion giving each of us a power "just less than Angels". How we use that power, and how we react to what happens around us is what we are measured by. God isn't here to make our life either easy or hard, but to observe how we treat each other and follow his example. Our goal should thus be to make him proud of us in everything we do.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Needz

      Well Said Sir......

      July 25, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • bear79

      how about making ourselves proud of what we do first? Then we can worry about pleasing the gods...

      July 25, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • johneturnerii

      Sorry, but God is not here at all. The absence of evidence is not evidence.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Dexter

      You are correct and if you read his word in Rev 21:3,4, Isaiah 65, His power as mentioned in Rom 1.20, that is just the tip of the iceberg from his word the Holy Bible. In fact in Proverbs 22:4 it says The result of humilty and the fear of Jehovah (Gods real name), is riches, and glory and life. Those who have died before Jehovah brings his wrath upon the wickedness and evilness in the world will have a resurrection here on life as foretold in John 5:28 which reads Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practivced vile things to a resurrection of judgement. Yes billions will come back including those in Aurora. Our future planet will indeed will be restored and we have the opportunity to live in harmony and unity with one another for ever. John 17:3 promises that. Thank You

      July 25, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
  2. lolita

    i can answer that question from the Bible

    July 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Talking Snake

      And I can tell you all about a cat in a hat from another book.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  3. andy

    Um, news flash. There is no god. Period. How is this so hard to understand?!?

    God is Santa Clause for adults.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      News Flash! This report just in from beyond all time and knowledge!

      July 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Gabriel

      I respectfully disagree, and forgive you for making my job even harder.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • johneturnerii

      God represents our fear of death. A belief in God is a belief in the afterlife, so that we feel better about dying. Very simple. Most religions are based on this. There is not one religion that ends with you just dying and ceasing to exist.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Dexter

      The historical record of the days of Noah and the wickedness that prevailed then, Sodom and Gomorrah and the hatred toward God then, The hatred toward Jesus Christ, the hatred of the apostle Paul, the disgusting view that Babylon had toward God, Nimrod and his evil view toward God, Hitlers hatred toward faithful anf truthful Christians that worshipped the true God Jehovah, The history of Moses at the Red Sea and the hatred he faced and numerous other examples, show that those who hate and disrepect our wonderful creator who will resolve all the problems we are facing today, do well to reevaluate their comments, the proof of God is irrefutable. Read Rom 1:20 and meditate. Thank You

      July 25, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  4. Pam Robison

    Nowhere because there isn't one!

    July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Where you on andy's expedition to the end of existence!? That must have been AWESOME!

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  5. bear79

    one does not need religion in order to be able to determine right from wrong. Acting ethically and morally DO NOT require religion....

    July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Then why is this killing wrong?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Talking Snake

      Amen to that. 🙂 And to Billy, that question is almost as ridiculous as asking if there is a god.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • bear79

      bill deacon- killing is wrong because nobody has the right to take another's life. Yeah- the bible says that- but I don't need a bible to tell me its WRONG.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • johneturnerii

      Killing is obviously not wrong. God was more like the Godfather in the Old Testament. He had his captains go out and whack people on a regular basis. God of the Bible loved killing. He says "Thou shalt not kill.", but that obviously didn't apply to him or his assassins that he set to take people out.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  6. Ruby Taylor

    This is why i am an atheist. i do not think there is a god. How do we know the bible was not written by a drunk person. Noone will ever change my mind about this. period.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      This is known as blind faith when applied to believers

      July 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Jon KIng

      I agree 100%

      July 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  7. Haywood

    It's all a myth.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Interested48

      Exactly. All religions are myth.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  8. mhill1234

    One thing for sure.
    CNN having any debate on religion is absolutely hilarious.
    Like having the KKK have a debate on affirmative action.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
  9. rickkennis

    The murders were the Devil's work. The fact that more people didn't die, and that the one gun jammed, was God's work.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Andrea

      There are 3 wills, God's Will, Our Will, & The Devil's will. We live in a heathens world "boohoo why would God let this happen?!" that's just blasphemy, get outta here with that debauchery.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Andrea

      That's Right @rickkennis :: There are 3 wills, God's Will, Our Will, & The Devil's will. We live in a heathens world "boohoo why would God let this happen?!" that's just blasphemy, get outta here with that debauchery.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Jon KIng

      Yawn, how boring to be that ridiculous. There is no god or devil, grow up and deal with reality.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • johneturnerii

      Oh yes, God jammed the gun after 70 rounds were popped off rather than 71. Way to go God! Stopped the carnage just in time. Yes, let's thank God for this.

      Those of you that believe in God should be praising him for this tragedy and happy that it happened since these people are now in Heaven. If God truly exists, and there is a Heaven that awaits, we should do our best to get there quickly.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      rickkennis..God was unable to stop the devil then? what a useless god you've invented. what is the difference between randon events and gods invention?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Most reasonable atheist avoid making positive assertions about God's existence. It allows them to discard claims for proof. You guys are letting the "B" team run the argument.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  10. Chris Mankey

    "Without God why would we have any idea of ethics? According to Naturalism (the belief that only the natural world exists –Atheism), ethics are a product of evolution which requires an idea called "the survival of the fittest." In essence, this means that "might makes right'

    No, I afraid that evolution is just a description of the natural world. There's no "might makes right in natural selection. Fitness isn't synonymous with brutality or "might". There are plenty of organismic that are small, cooperative and altruistic. How you cam up with such a stupid Idea of what biology is really about is beyond me.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  11. Bill

    What a horrible, unneeded and offensive article. Shame on you CNN

    I'm not religious so don't bother arguing with me

    July 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • El Toro

      EXACTLY

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Needz

      agreed...shame on cnn

      July 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I am religious and I agree as well. Pandering for conflict and strife.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Elisabeth

      Then why bother taking an interest in the article? If you aren't religious then why do you care what others think about this topic? What a dumb comment

      July 25, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • johneturnerii

      Actually, this is the most needed discussion in this country. Clearly God was on vacation last week. Anderson Cooper has requested several interviews, but God has declined all of them. What is He hiding?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
  12. Chad

    If there is no God then there is not a Devil. Therefore there is a God. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, there families, the killers families and those out there that do not believe. My God Bless You, Amen!

    July 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Jerome Haltom

      Or neither exist. That seems to make more sense.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • norman

      Chad-didnt take logic in college huh?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • smart-logical-person

      If there is no god there is no devil, therefore there must be god? that has to be the most ignorant stupid thing ive ever heard

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • jeff

      seriously??

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Chad

      Hi -Chad...

      " If there is no God then there is not a Devil. Therefore there is a God. " 😯

      Apparently, you are attempting to use an 'if-then' logic format.

      Unfortunately, your starting premises and conclusion is flawed.

      Good try though.

      Peace...

      July 25, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Which God??

      Chad, are you really that stupid?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
  13. johneturnerii

    Yesterday, 25 people were shot in this country. Yes, statistically 25 people are shot to death in the United States every single day.

    Does anyone care? Did they make national news? Did the President visit the families of the people that were shot yesterday?

    Oh, but when several people are shot all in one incident, then suddenly everyone cares. You people make me sick!

    July 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • norman

      be quite, John-youre an idiot

      July 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • smart-logical-person

      this guy john is really really dumb

      July 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • yuri pelham

      Countless millions slaughtered in the 20th century. Most recently needless slaughter in Syria. Countless tragedies in US daily and you're just now asking??

      July 25, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • katherine

      Finally! Someone who has voiced what I have been thinking for years--where is the press and the president when children and adults are murdered every day in this country? How is this more important than the many recent drive-by shootings that accidentally took young children's lives in the inner cities? All killings are reprehensible, but I am just stymied as to why there is such obsessive national coverage because these people died together.

      I do understand that there is a subtext to the Colorado story-the loss of innocence and trust when a killling happens at a recreational venue. But is this more newsworthy than when a 4 year old boy's life is cut short by a stray bullet in his front yard?

      Where is God? Wrong question. We should be asking where are we, in all of this. Take responsibility in your life and do something about hunger, crime and mental illness in society.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Opino

      Good point.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
  14. JLock

    God doesn't help people who can't help themselves...IE: A society that embraces weapons of mass destruction.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • johneturnerii

      "God doesn't help people who can't help themselves"????

      Please support this statement with some kind of literature or evidence based study.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • coyotes2000

      You've got The Bible mixed-up with one of Aesop's fables.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  15. mhill1234

    So let me see
    If God doesn't automatically respond to any call for help he doesn't exist?
    God created evil, also.
    And free will.
    You want to believe, believe.
    YOu don't want to believe, don't.
    You want to get special favors for believing, too bad, you already show you don't actually believe.
    Faith should be a source of comfort, not a life line.
    Even God's favorite servant was tortured, all his children murdered, all property lost.
    I guess it 's a take it or leave thing.
    Not for all

    July 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      And God let all that happen to job to prove a point to the devil.that's cruel,I'm a father ,kill ne not my kids

      July 25, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • norman

      free will? you mean believe in me or burn in everlasting hellfire? thats retarded

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  16. JC

    I thought news organizations were supposed to present fact, as opposed to debating convenient fiction? Although it may not be the case this time, during moments of senseless violence, God is generally present, but only in the mind of the perpetrators. Our capacity to believe in things without reason fosters these types of events. Recognize the actual problem.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  17. Dariusz

    God, lol? People still believe in an imaginary man in the sky. That in itself is the problem with our society. So sad.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      God is an Et and they still visit a lot

      July 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Dexter

      Sorry there is no imaginary man in the sky, the maker of all things including the universe which you and I cannot even comprehend its vastness and the biological earth which man is destroying is a loving God, which is spiritual. Unless you have the wisdom, knowledge, truth, faith and understanding of who actually architected us and the promises for the future that God hold out for mankind because of our imperfection / sin it would be best to reserve your opinion with a much more clearer understanding on why you feel that way. Thank You

      July 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Jonnyblazen

      Couldnt agree more.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Sarcastic derision gives junior grade atheists a sense of superiority.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Elisabeth

      What's sad is that you don't believe in Him. There are things in this world that no one can explain and God is to be thanked for them. What happened in Aurora is truly a tragedy but you can't blame this on God nor can you question His reasons. You just have to accept what happened and learn from it.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • RMP

      Dude. You have issues. I pity the fool who does not believe that Jesus, the Son of God, will return for his people. All others will go straight to hell and burn.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • johneturnerii

      It is sad to continue to believe in a God. It took me a while to finally face reality. Most of us don't want to believe or accept that what our parents believed and taught us is false. It is so difficult that we would rather continue to believe in fiction rather than face reality.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  18. rob breisch

    Is it really Gods job to prevent man from choosing the path of evil? Is it up to God to feed all of us-clean our water-prevent starvation-war-disaster? Nope. We are on our own-its up to us to prevent all of the suffering-yet we are too busy doing our individual thing. It is what it is.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Fred Evil

      Then what the hell good is 'god'?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Sticky

      II wonder if I could get away with that as a "loving father", create a bunch of kids and basically say it's not up to me to make sure you behave, it's not up to me to feed you and make sure there is clean water for you to drink.

      Thanks goodness human beings are held to a higher standard of conduct and moral responsibility than this God character. Maybe this kid should have created a flood in that theater to clean the slate.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
  19. lindaluttrell

    Your faith tells you to judge not, lest ye be judged. Yet, some of you ignore that completely and pass judgment on your fellow man...and not too kindly. It makes me wonder if you, at times, find your god lacking somehow, and you then feel compelled to take over for him. Conversely, when a tragedy strikes such as this one...you then state this is "God's will." Now, you are speaking FOR your god...pronouncing yet another judgment, and putting words in HIS mouth...I do not think that either of these behaviors is what a TRUE believer should do.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Lycidas

      You do realize that one can be atheist and agnostic, since they are not mutually exclusive, don't you?

      July 25, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      DAMNIT!

      July 25, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @hawaii- lol

      July 26, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  20. Lycidas

    90+ pages ago I mentioned that CNN had put up the perfect article t_itle to come and call the atheist lemmings to come running. I was proven right. They are everywhere.

    July 25, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • norman

      atheist lemmings? dumdum-atheists are almost always believers brainwashed into religious doctrine and then-listen carefully now sheep, they research religion and see that it is all man made-they are NOT lemmings-they are educated and informed-most atheists, as all research shows, know the bible bette rthan any religious redneck sheep-now educate yourself so you dont look so dumb

      July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • norman

      Lycindas-atheist lemmings? dumdum-atheists are almost always believers brainwashed into religious doctrine and then-listen carefully now sheep, they research religion and see that it is all man made-they are NOT lemmings-they are educated and informed-most atheists, as all research shows, know the bible bette rthan any religious redneck sheep-now educate yourself so you dont look so dumb

      July 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • birch please

      We would not be seen or heard if we did not have to. Very few atheist want to evangelize but they do want to protect our society from extremism

      July 25, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • norm

      They have to be there to counter the bad influence of the m0r0n christians!

      July 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And you are here why, Lice?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Lycidas

      norman- "now educate yourself so you dont look so dumb"

      Oh Norman..I know more about the Bible and it's history that you do. You presume too much for a person of your lemmingesque mindset. Yes, there are atheist lemmings that don't know squat. Not all atheists of course. Some do search out quite a bit and they have arrived at a conclusion that I personally do not agree with. Those atheists I respect. But those that just don't believe because other ppl do not believe or those they respect do not believe...they are lemmings...sheep.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @birch please- "but they do want to protect our society from extremism"

      I do believe that most Christians, Jews, Muslims and others of various faiths within our society would agree with you.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And are there not a lot of Christians here about whom the same could be said, Lice?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Sticky

      yup and the numbers are growing, praise reality. I wonder what these religious people would think of an actual person who was in that theater and had the ability to stop the carnage before it happen but yet did NOTHING and just let it unfold because they didn't want to interfere with this guys FREE WILL to murder all those innocent people including a child. Would that guy be worthy of your praise and worship?

      July 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Oh Tom....you don't even know how the "Lyc" part of the name is pronounced. You are such a tragic creature.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Sticky- "yup and the numbers are growing"

      Sure..maybe in another 1,000 years or so they might have numbers rivaling the Mormons. Keep that hope alive if it gives you peace.

      "they didn't want to interfere with this guys FREE WILL"

      You @ssume they put aside their free will for another?

      "Would that guy be worthy of your praise and worship?"

      A "guy" no..of course not. But of course...I don't anyone on here that ever claims of worshipping a "guy".

      July 25, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sweetie, if you don't want to answer the question, you can always dodge it by pretending that it's beneath because the person asking is someone you don't like.

      Or you could get that stick out of your ass...

      July 25, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      edit: beneath you.

      By the way, I do know how to pronounce your moniker. I just like making fun of you.

      July 25, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Lol..oh that question. Sorry, I thought you were being a twit again. Why am I here? Same as you.

      Hunny....I don't know you at all. You are just a name on the screen. I am quite sure you are not the pompous ignorant @ss you seem to be on here.
      As for the name....sure you know how to pronounce it. Milton would be pleased.

      July 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, no, he wouldn't, since he's dead. If he were alive, I doubt he's see much resemblance between you and the subject of his poem, Uncouth Swain.

      As far as arrogant asses and twits, pot meet kettle, Lyc. You're as arrogant and pompous as they come. You seem to think you're quite special, but you come across as a poser.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, and US? That wasn't the question to which I was referring. See if you can answer the other one. I'll repeat it as I know you're too lazy to bother to look. You said that atheists, by and large, were just lemmings following the example of others rather than thinking and studying for themselves. Can't the same be said for many of the believers here?

      I won't expect an answer, since you'll probably ignore the question and pretend you never saw it.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "Can't the same be said for many of the believers here?"

      It can be said of most of the human race. The tragedy lies with those that cannot see it.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "As far as arrogant asses and twits, pot meet kettle, Lyc."

      Oh..there I went and hurt your feelings again. Such thin skin 😉

      About time someone used the power of google to look up where my username came from.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Get Real

      Ah Lycidas, you are quite the prophet - predicting that this would be a popular article!

      Wow! You got any others? - like maybe that there will be increasing light emanating from the eastern horizon tomorrow morning?

      July 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Oh now..don't get upset that atheists are such a predictable lot.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Got any other usernames you want to break rank with today? Hypocrasy is so amusing.

      July 25, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's "hypocrisy", Sweet Cheeks.

      As for thin skin, dream on, dear. Why would anyone be hurt by a sh!thead on the internet? You're as much a cipher to me as I am to you.

      Now trip over your pubic hair trying to make a snappy comeback. You're not too good at those. 😉

      July 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Get Real

      Lycidas,

      "Got any other usernames you want to break rank with today?"

      What's that supposed to mean, UncouthSwain, Kalessian, etc. ?

      July 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'm not clear on what that meant, either, GR. Does Lycidas think we are one and the same with two user names?

      I'm sure his superior intellect has us outsmarted again, right? 😉

      July 25, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Lycidas

      lol....yeah, considering that at three different spots of varying position on the comment board two usernames seem to just appear and support one another. Nah...those two usernames are not from the same person.

      Considering also that "Get Real" was never present for the use of "Uncouth Swain" before also is a bit telling hun. I knwo you are rambling about the boards just to bother ppl but try to keep a better memory.

      July 25, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Get Real

      Lycidas,

      Oh my, you are a wunderkind, aren't you... to remember every post by every screen name... ever!

      I guess you missed a couple where I chided Tom, Tom for jumping to conclusions in accusing certain other duplicates. Sure, I have used another name here and there in appropriate cases (and there is another @Get Real around too), but I have never been @Tom, Tom.

      July 25, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And I've never been Get Real. Lycidas, you're as delusional as HeavenSent.

      This really is pretty funny, though. Don't know what prompted Get Real, but whenever I see your moniker pop up, I click on it to see just what sort of self-important pronouncement you have made.

      By the way, dear, if all humans, not just atheists are likely to base their belief systems on what their peers believe, rather than study and learn for themselves, why castigate only atheists, as you did at first?

      July 25, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "why castigate only atheists, as you did at first?"

      Actually I don't always do that at all. Within this very comment board I have corrected those of faith.
      But...the answer lies with the same reason why athiests usually go after Christians. They are the most vocal about their beliefs. Why go after the agnostics when it's the atheists that tend to run their traps the most and in the most unreasonable way?

      July 25, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • just sayin

      Then who have you been Tom?

      July 25, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I didn't say you 'always' did it, Ly. I asked why you did it this time. As for "running their traps", same thing goes. From what I've seen here, the zealots run theirs plenty.

      And to just sayin, I haven't been anybody else in recent memory.

      July 25, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • Lycidas

      I'm sorry, you seem to have implied as such.
      Oh no doubt, zealots on both sides do. Though it is my opinion that those on the non-religious side tends to be more mean spirited in general. Not all of course but what I would guess is a higher % than those that are a part of a religion.

      July 25, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Lycidas

      You realize that one can be atheist and agnostic, since they are not mutually exclusive, don't you?

      July 25, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Of course...though one of those tend to be more highly represented here than the other

      July 26, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
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