My Take: CNN readers' 7 answers to 'Where was God in Aurora?'
A man pauses at a memorial of crosses near the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, the scene of last week's mass shooting.
July 26th, 2012
02:49 PM ET

My Take: CNN readers' 7 answers to 'Where was God in Aurora?'

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "The American Bible: How Our Words Unite, Divide, and Define a Nation," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

Over the last few days, CNN’s Belief Blog has received more than 10,000 responses to its question, “Where was God in Aurora?”

The underlying concern here has vexed theologians for centuries: How can evil happen in a world that is lorded over by a good and all-powerful God? As CNN's readers struggled to make sense of God's presence (or absence) in the Aurora, Colorado, massacre, I counted seven different answers to this question:

1. There is no God.

Self-professed atheists may make up only 2% of the U.S. population, but they are extraordinarily active online, and on CNN's Belief Blog. A commenter who identified as Jason spoke for them when he wrote, “Where was God? He was where he has always been. Nowhere because God does not exist.” Bob Dobbs agreed: “God is imaginary. The question is moot.”

Many in this camp also quoted the ancient Greek philosopher (and skeptic) Epicurus:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

2. Don’t blame God, blame Satan.

Many theists on the site described the world as a battleground between God, who is working for good, and Satan, who is working for evil. “As long as Satan is loose to promote evil, bad things will happen to good people,” wrote kat.

3. Don’t blame God, blame us.

Probably the most common response from Christian commenters was that evil is a result of free will. Do we really want to be “puppets” or “robots"? Of course not. So God has given us the will to choose either evil or good.

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

Believer summed up this position well:

"It's been said that the only thing we can truly give God is our will because its the only thing we possess that is uniquely ours. Everything else was given to us by him, and is, in effect, not ours to give in the first place. As such, and despite his omnipotence, he cannot intervene. . . .  He only possesses power where power can be possessed - and controlling our actions is not within that realm."

Here Deborah also chimed in: “This act of violence was not God's will. I get so tried of people blaming God for evil acts. Humans of their own free will do evil things.”

4. God was behind the massacre, and it was just.

Some believers saw God’s righteous hand in the Aurora massacre, inflicting a just punishment on a wayward nation now run by secular liberals rather than conservative Christians.

Lenny wrote:

"We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?"

Read: The man who made Aurora’s iconic crosses

Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, took a similar tack in an appearance on the Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live" radio show, laying the blame at the feet of a nation that has turned away from its God:

"You know, when people say, where was God in all of this? Well, you know, . . . we’ve threatened high school graduation participants that if they use God’s name that they’re going to be jailed, we had a principal of a school, and a superintendent or a coach down in Florida that were threatened with jail because they said the blessing at a voluntary off campus dinner. I mean, that kind of stuff… where is God? Where, where? What have we done with God? We told him that we don’t want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."

5. God was present at the massacre but with the victims, not the perpetrator

One classic claim in the Abrahamic tradition of Jews, Christians and Muslims is that God is with those who suffer - the poor and the oppressed. Some commenters saw God’s miraculous hand in the midst of this suffering, not causing it to happen but bringing it to an end.  “This may sound crazy,” wrote Diana, “but I believe God had a hand in that the gun jammed so that more people weren’t killed.”

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The most common claim in this category came from peacemaker, who wrote, “God is and was with the victims and s/he is weeping.” In a more explicitly Christian vein, Lauren wrote: “He was there in the theater, pierced by bullets with the victims. He was scarred by the shrapnel. His eyes were scorched with gas and then burned with tears as He mourned alongside the broken.”

6. Which God?

Some commenters interrogated the question itself, arguing that the knots it twists us into are rooted in what commenter Ego_Death called “a false idea of what God is.” After all, the problem of evil in a world ruled by a sovereign and good God only presents itself if you posit one personal God who is both good and all-powerful.

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Referring to "our idea of a human-like personal God" as "an ancient myth," Northstar56 wrote:

"But just because this kind of God does not appear to exist, does not mean that God, in fact, does not exist. I think many have developed a more mature and realistic perspective . . . in which God exists as a pure fundamental consciousness or state from which all of existence arises. This God does not control anything, but rather continues to perpetually emanate as reality . . . God was present in all of the victims, and everyone else. God was present in the killer as well. The tragedy is that the killer's awareness was so distorted and twisted that he could not see or be aware of the intrinsic priceless value of every person he gunned down."

Evoking something more akin to the “watchmaker” God of the deists, who makes the world and its laws and then refuses to intervene in its operation, Norm wrote: “God is not involved in our everyday mundane activities. How arrogant of man to think he’s the center of the universe and has God’s constant attention and every action is ‘God’s will.’”

Taking a different tack, "varun" invoked the teachings of the beloved Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita:

"Only the followers of Semitic religions have problem with understanding this - because they do not believe in rebirth and karma. As soon as you introduce these two concepts into (the) picture along with the eternal indestructible soul (something Semitic religions do believe in), everything makes sense. Read Bhagavad-Gita and everything would be as clear as daylight."

7. Who knows? It’s a mystery

Agnosticism is a rare virtue in the United States nowadays, but there were a few commenters who admitted to something less than the absolute certainty exhibited by atheists and evangelicals alike. "The answer," wrote Terry, "is we don't know where he was." Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom saw this "God works in mysterious ways" move as “ultimate cop-out/rationalization,” but I am not so sure.

In September 1862, in the midst of a much greater American tragedy, Abraham Lincoln wrote a private “Meditation on the Divine Will” in which he struggled to make sense of what God was doing in the Civil War. He later reworked those reflections into his second inaugural address, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

Surveying the corpse-ridden landscape of North and South, Lincoln observed, “Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other.” Clearly there was little good in slavery, he reasoned, yet equally clearly God was not giving a swift and sure victory to the Union. So what was God up to? In the end, Lincoln had to admit he did not know. Or, as he put it, “The Almighty has His own purposes.”

I suppose this is in a sense a “cop-out,” but it is a humble one, uninfected by the absolute certainties (either pro- or anti-God) that have shed more blood on earth than agnosticism ever will. It is also a classic example of answering a question with a question: What is God doing with this war? Who knows?

“Josephpusateri” also answered our question with a question. His comment was in my view the best of the hundreds I read, so I will end with it here:

"Oh, the blindness of such a question... as if only theodicy was a relevant question in white, American suburbs. Where is God in Afghanistan? Where is God in Gaza? Where is God in Syria? . . . Where is God, indeed."

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Culture wars • Devil • Ethics • God • Violence

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  1. Lorraine

    Avoastis, and b4bigbang, How can this be true of the 144,000, if YHWH teaches us in Jeremiah 33:14-22, that there will be a number as the host of the heavens, and as the sands of the sea? A number of the seed of David, and of the seed of the Levites, the priest. Now, this dispels that lie, over in the NT(not true book).

    People are being mislead, as taught to us in Ezekiel 34, and Ezekiel 20, of the elders, Malachi 2, of the priest, and Jeremiah 23:1-5 of the pastors, and popes.

    July 27, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I have never seen or been presented with any reason to take the bible as some kind of authority.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      I wouldn't put a lot of significance into the 144,000. They will exist during the Tribulation, but they're not the whole of the saved by any means.
      The 144,000 appear to be evangelists of some future type.
      This is where the Jehovah's witnesses get it all wrong [thinking that only the 144,000 are saved], and Avoastis appears to have picked up some of their indoctrination.

      As for your group, it looks like one of the many flavors of quasi-Judaic groups that have been popular with some in these last days.

      Pity – you deny yourselves, hoping that by keeping the Levitical law, you can save yourselves.

      July 27, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
  2. Lorraine

    tom tom, the piper, you attack me a lot, aw...you love me, like a hater. I don't have to use the reply button if I don't want to, now there.

    July 27, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Who said you did? You're just too dumb to remember to do so. Too bad if it bothers you to have your stupidity pointed out to you.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
  3. Lorraine

    b4bigbang, lol, stop now, We pray towards Jerusalem, and this prayer was accepted by YHWH from Solomon, in I Kings chapters, 8,9. Until the sacrifices are returned in Ezekiel 40-48, and of the healing waters in Ezekiel 47. Also in Zechariah 13. This is no religion, its the connection of life, and the day of YHWH is near, as prophesied in Isaiah 51:5, it is but a little while, as taught in Isaiah 10:25.

    July 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Doofus, figure out how to use the "reply" button, you moronic ninny.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  4. Lorraine

    bhigh, stop getting high! and no YHWH is Yod Heh Waw Heh, in Hebrew pronunciation, meaning I will be what so ever I will be. And EL is The Strong One, or With us is the Strong One. Where ever you see Lord, God in the book of remembrance, the so called bible this is where YHWH was. His name was removed over 6800 times to confuse us, as taught in Ezekiel 36:22,23.

    July 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
  5. b4bigbang

    @Lorraine: Hey, what's the name of the local group that you worship with? Are you guys a denomination?
    Also, do you abstain from all alcoholic beverages? Do you keep Kosher, i.e., abstain from pork, shellfish, etc?

    July 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Can you be reasonably sure Lorraine ISN'T a lobster?

      July 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Oh, i see from your post below that apparently you keep Kosher.
      How do you cover your sins? Where do you perform the animal sacrifice? A mountain? Not the temple – it's been destroyed.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      That's pretty funny Tom. Now i can't get the image outta my head of Lorraine Lobster on a date with Charlie Tuna.
      Btw, where's Spongebob & the gang in all this?

      July 27, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ha, b4. That's quite a picture!

      Lorraine doesn't appear to have much more upstairs than most crustaceans.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • Lorraine

      The Movement is called YHWH Our Righteousness, prophesied in Jeremiah 23:1-8, and Jeremiah 33:14-22 of the Arm of YHWH. You can visit www. Yhwh Our Righteousness, or call 1-773-874-0325. It was raised to the public after the bombing in Lebanon in 2006. Look it up.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
  6. Lorraine

    Denise, there is nothing 'OLD' about this book, read Isaiah 43:18,19. You must know that it is juxtaposed, a guide to compare what is going on right now, and to teach us what to remember has already happened, and will happen in the future. And tom tom, the piper, you're just in denial.

    Then fallacy 101, no this is not selective, I read the book from Genesis-Malachi, and found that the OT, obvious truth book, does not coincide with the NT, not true book. The nt, should fulfill the ot, that's all I'm saying, but it doesn't. Then if you read in Malachi 3:16, you will find that the true name for this book is the book of remembrance, not the holy bible, 'look it up'. And ms. pssst..I only put one too many commas, what a nick picker u r.

    July 27, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Lorraine

      Must add...In Micah 7, it teaches us to discern this book, the guide, for there are many cunning writers, as taught in Jeremiah 10, who have tried to mislead us. There are a lot of spins, but with prayer, reading, and doing the law of righteousness, the 10 commandments, and eat clean in Deut. 14, then YHWH, will anoint one to see, (not just with the carnal eye), the truth.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  7. Olusola

    God is with them that are with Him. Without Faith it is impossible to please God. Those who come to God must believe that He is. God honors those who honors Him. Either you live by faith or perish without one. You are the architect of your own fortune. God is everywhere.

    July 27, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Hambone Jones

      God is everywhere ... in an invisible, intangible, undetectable, as-if-he-certainly-wasn't-anywhere kind of way, of course. He is so well hidden it's (almost) as if he was pure fiction. Funny how that works, eh?

      July 28, 2012 at 12:59 am |
  8. Lorraine

    archon12, first off let me say LOL, you are funny, a stretch Armstrong toy, lol, again, that really cracked me up, ooh. O. K. well, the metaphor is the temptation, and the desire to disobey, or do as one wills to. The snake is the 'seed' of disobedience, that is within us to do wrong, in part now knowing 'good', and 'evil'. Once this was uncovered, now life is going to be a bit rocky. The trees, and gardens were just what they are an abundance of good eating, and living.

    But, sinning, yes we do, and all are responsible for their own righteousness, as taught in Ezekiel 14:14-21, and Jeremiah 31:30, so we must sincerely, wholeheartedly pray, and do better next time, hopefully, for it will be ones own problem to carry in the end.

    And christians, well they exaggerate a lot, and beat around the bush about the truth often, making up fairy tales to entertain themselves with. It is all right there from Genesis-Malachi to know exactly what the Creator YHWH wants from us, and for ourselves to live a better life with one another.

    Remember, YHWH changes not, none of His Word, taught to us in Malachi 3:6, so that we won't be consumed in lies. I have no religion, they are all pagan,idolatry, and no I'm no jew either, I love the Creator YHWH for His righteousness for us all, not some, to live in peace, and abundance.

    July 27, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The wackaloon brays: archon12, first off let me say LOL, you are funny, a stretch Armstrong toy, lol, again, that really cracked me up, ooh. O. K. well,

      Do you have a tumor?

      July 27, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  9. Tom Paine

    Answer 5 is the closest to the truth.

    July 27, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  10. bhigh

    If Jesus ever did reappear(not likely, since a dead person has never come back) , the last thing he'd want to see is a cross.

    July 27, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • just sayin

      Jesus already came back, was seen by hundreds and testified to by many. Even those who opposed Him did not dispute the empty tomb but rather attempted to explain it away. Jesus was caught up into heaven as a resurrected being and will return 'again' in the same manner. Jesus defeated death before He left to join His Father. God bless

      July 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not facts. Just what you choose to believe, justlyin.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • archon12

      Just Sayin You my friend are THE score for any of the many churches out there.....If they ask "would you lay down your life for Christ?" you might be tempted to give a very enthusiastic 'YES"....but instead do this:- dont answer.... turn and RUN to the nearest exit, and dont stop until you get home.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You nailed it. Just lyin has a great big mouth and not a scintilla of courage or compassion. Just read its posts. Proof,

      July 27, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • just sayin

      The grace required for martyrdom is not available until needed. No one makes the call in advance to 'lay down their life for Christ' but when confronted with the evil such as you display would rely on the guidance of the Holy Spirit as to how to conduct oneself. God bless

      July 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nonsense, just lyin. You could volunteer to lay down your life right now by leaving your worldly goods and the internet and going to places where others will not.

      Why don't you prove what a great believer you are and do so?

      Answer: Because you're a fraud.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • just sayin

      Which part of the answer of following the Holy Spirit are you having trouble with Tom? We do what God requires of us when God requires it of us, not what you want. God bless

      July 27, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, you don't, you fake.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • just sayin

      Tom Tom as false witness, noted. Sorry about you. God bless

      July 27, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No more false than you are.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Now wait for it: just lyin will come back barking like dog about some verse or another, and it will ring just as hollow as the rest of its posts. And the great Carnack predicts that the post will end with: "sorry about you. God bless."

      The translation of that last bit, in just lyin's mind? "I hate your guts. Fvck you."

      July 27, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • archon12

      i hope this guy is a troll. because if not , that is the very definition of fanaticism right there..... If someone in some long robes and a funny hat tells someone like this that God needs him to do X..... X will get done.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Can it be both a troll and a crazed fanatic? Please?

      July 27, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      just lyin is a boil on the butt of humanity and Christians should be ashamed of it. That they don't speak out is telling.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Get Real

      just sayin:
      " We do what God requires of us when God requires it of us" – and – "The grace required for martyrdom is not available until needed."

      Here are 23 pages of Muslim martyrs for Allah - and that doesn't even include the hundreds (thousands?) of recent ones who thought themselves to be such. You consider them to be inspired heroes, or what?

      Were Jim Jones' dead people martyrs?
      Were David Koresh's dead people martyrs?
      They thought they were...

      July 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • just sayin

      The Holy Spirit is God Himself, not Tom or you or some guy in a funny hat. You display a remarkable lack of understanding. God bless

      July 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • just sayin

      There is one God and thousands of idols (false gods) and impostors (Jim Jones types) God bless

      July 27, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      just lyin=complete fraud and impostor.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • just sayin

      Allah is not God. God bless

      July 27, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just lyin isn't an authority. God doesn't bless.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Hambone Jones

      just sayin
      Actually, there's a STORY that he came back and was seen by many, but anybody can put words onto paper about congressmen wrestling bears, for example, but that doesn't make those stories factual, do they?

      July 28, 2012 at 1:03 am |
  11. paul

    God is where he has always been, in heaven watching his creation exercise free will to do either his will(righteousness) or Satan's will(evil). "It is appointed unto all men(mankind) once to die, and then the judgement."
    Jesus said, "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Jesus is THE answer to our problems. In no other is found the path to heaven. The Aurora shooting was the act of a person who lost his way many years ago, and nobody took the time to notice.

    July 27, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Hambone Jones

      Does God stay in heaven just watching, or does he interfere in some people's lives, granting prayers, performing miracles and giving "signs" of his existence? Not everyone gets these things, so doesn't that mean that God interferes in people's free will?

      July 28, 2012 at 1:07 am |
  12. Lorraine

    What IF, Ok, now lets count back the years that Jeremiah 25, in the 6th century the prophet was told of the earth having these kinds of troubles, as opposed to the time of the 1930s, alright think about it, and bulls eye, now you got it, this is why it is called a prophecy.

    Life is hard, but maybe if as you say, 'if' we would have done the law of righteousness of the Creator YHWH, then maybe we would still be in the world of a garden of Eden, prolonging our days of living all wholesome, and of goodness, not just for some, but for all people, and nations. You those of knowledge, sometimes all puffed up with pride, and in Isaiah 47:10.

    July 27, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Good grief, you're loony.

      July 27, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Arvoasitis

      In fact, Jeremiah has a much greater influence on the present world than most people suspect. After being sent into exile in Egypt, Jeremiah founded a school that survived him by several centuries. One of the people who studied there was Plato, who seems to have adopted the pessimistic cosmology of Jeremiah, which has carried on in scholarly thinking to the present day.

      July 27, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • What IF

      Lorraine – Droughts have happened all over the world lots and lots of times throughout history. There is nothing one bit special about the prophecies in Jeremiah. Nothing. Where you get the 1930s being some kind of a bulls-eye is ridiculous.

      Look over that web site I mentioned (and there are of course others). Here's some more from it:

      Looking back only 500 years...Coincident droughts, or the same droughts, are apparent in tree-ring records from Mexico to British Columbia, and from California to the East Coast. Winter and spring drought conditions appear to have been particularly severe in the Southwestern U.S. and northwestern Mexico, where drought appears to have lasted several decades.

      And that's just U.S. statistics - they happen all over the world.


      Thanks for the info on Jeremiah.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • What IF

      p.s. Lorraine, if you are unable to figure out the "reply" feature, it's quite possible that people are not seeing your responses... few read every single post here; so don't take lack of a response as any kind of victory for your nonsense arguments.

      July 27, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
  13. georgex

    The availability of the Internet allows many doubters to express their views here as we become a more open society. In the past they didn't have the chance to meet or discuss their views and felt a bit isolated. Today there are organizations for non-believers such as http://www.secular.org that have meetings and interesting projects.
    Personally, I don't think we can blame God for these killings anymore than we should give him credit for the survivors. He seems to stay out of almost every human event.

    July 27, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Lorraine

      georgex, this is like saying that our parents are suppose to answer to us, and get our permission to do things. Until we return to Him, the Creator YHWH, Malachi 3:7, doing the universal law of life, and righteousness, well we are doing our thing, using our will as we want, thinking all haughty, and proud acting like we did it all on our own, such as waking up each morning, and things like that.

      We are drowning in our so called civilization of in difference, hate, imposed poverty, war, greed, perversion, adultery, prejudice, stealing, and lying etc.. Oh, this last 4th of July there were 10, to 20 deaths, and 50 injuries in one city, and counting, on this holiday alone. Now just think if you will about those families who lost these people, every 4th of July will they celebrate? I'm praying for them all, just as the intercessor in Isaiah 53:9,10 does, praying for the innocent, and the lost.

      All Life is precious, and it is a connection to all of us, we are so busy thinking of ourselves we do not realize this, not until it happens to us personally. This is why YHWH left us His law of life, of righteousness, but we snuffed it, and well did what we wanted, so enjoy.

      July 27, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hahhahhahah! Lorraine sez: Life is full of sorrow and pain and horror, so ENJOY!


      July 27, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
  14. Stan

    Guy in the picture looks like he's taking a whiz.

    July 27, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
  15. Lorraine

    People, should be responsible for their own actions in life. They should not blame the Creator YHWH, for He gives us the will, to choose to do right, or wrong, and this is of our own minds, and hearts to choose, as is taught in Jeremiah 17:1-10.

    July 27, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'Lorraine" is an instance of a Selective Evidence fallacy and suggests a state of Willed Ignorance.


      July 27, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • psst's understudy

      Not only that, she's unable to figure out when or how to use commas.

      July 27, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • bhigh

      YHWH? You Have White Hands? Your Head Wants Honey? Yarn Has Wooly Hints? Yucky Hos Will Hump?

      July 27, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
  16. truthseeker

    Hey READ THIS QUOTE, instead of fighting put peace on Earth!!!!!!!!!

    Some of those who LIVE DESERVE to DIE and SOME of those who have DIED, DESERVE TO LIVE.

    BUT that is NOT for US TO DECIDE.

    ALL WE have to DECIDE IS WHAT to do with the TIME that is given to us.

    – J.R.R. Tolkien

    July 27, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Denise

      I hate it when people try to give me their old TIME magazines

      ...and SHOUT AT ME while they do it.

      July 27, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • OptimusPrime

      ROFL Denise ROFL.

      July 27, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
  17. Smurfette

    So, let me get this straight: There was an omnipotent, all-powerful invisible force who made everything and who sent a piece of himself he called his son to earth to die (but not really die, because he would come back to life then fly back into the sky to join himself again) so that people could live forever in the sky with this force and the zombie guy, if they eat the flesh of this invisible ancient mystic jewish zombie flesh, and drink his blood, and telepathically acknowledge him as their master, even if these people are the most blood-thirsty, horrible murdering evil people imaginable, so that he – the zombie guy – will remove an evil taint from their souls that was put there by the omnipotent, all-powerful force because a few thousand years ago, a woman made from a rib bone was talked into eating fruit from a magical tree by an evil talking snake who wasn’t actually a snake but was another magical creation made by the omnipotent all-powerful force who somehow can’t control its own creation. Umm – did I miss anything?

    July 27, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • archon12

      Nope...you nailed it.....

      July 27, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • Billy Bob

      God is with us and you will burn in the flames of hell for all eternity for what you done said. Vote Tea party or burn in hell.

      July 27, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Arvoasitis

      Only that there's more. God then kicked the culprits Adam and Eve out of Eden because He was worried that they might also eat of the magical tree of eternal life. But then the son of God appeared and died so that people might have eternal life in the next dimension. But now God was really pis_sed. He said, in effect, "Okay, have your eternal life but you will live it in eternal torment [except for the 144,000 Jews or descendants of Jews who get to live in Heaven]. And that in a nutshell is the Christian theology. And something is terribly wrong with it.

      July 27, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Arvoasitis: "But now God was really pis_sed. He said, in effect, "Okay, have your eternal life but you will live it in eternal torment [except for the 144,000 Jews or descendants of Jews who get to live in Heaven]. And that in a nutshell is the Christian theology. And something is terribly wrong with it."

      And that in a nutshell is Jehova Witness Cult theology [and that's what's terribly wrong with it]. Didn't know Arvoasitis had been influenced by that cult – but now we do.....

      July 27, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Lorraine

      Smurfette, yes I agree with you, this is all holly-wood stuff, people learn this junk in the NT,(Not True) book. If you notice the teachers of this book takes people to the back of the book, unless you are Asian, I see no reason for this. One should start reading at the front of a book, and the back of it should fulfill the front of it, but it doesn't. At the end of the so called OT, (Obvious Truth), in the last book Malachi, one will find that the Creator YHWH says that He changes not, in Malachi 3:6.

      The NT has many changes of these fairytale stories as you described. Although, in Micah 7 YHWH teaches us through this prophet that we must all discern the whole book regardless. Oh, by the way, in Malachi 3:16, the true name for this book is called by YHWH, 'The book of remembrance.' For one thing there is nothing old about this book, it tells us the present, past, and the future, it is juxtapose, meaning we have to compare what is going on today, with what did happen many years ago is how you know. For instance we have a 29 state drought now, well this was prophesied that it would happen in Jeremiah 25:26-38, from the whirlwinds.

      There are many other prophecies that have been fulfilled within this book, and the NT was one of them from the prophet, and the book of Daniel of the end times of today. For the righteousness of YHWH is near, in Isaiah 51:5, and it is but a little while for the truth to unfold, in Isaiah 10:25.

      July 27, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • What IF


      Wow! Someone predicting drought. Wow! Your old "whirlwind" one better fits the 1930 Dust Bowl drought in the U.S:

      The Dust Bowl drought was a natural disaster that severely affected much of the United States during the 1930s. The drought came in three waves, 1934, 1936, and 1939-40, but some regions of the High Plains experienced drought conditions for as many as eight years. The "dust bowl" effect was caused by sustained drought conditions compounded by years of management practices that left topsoil susceptible to the forces of the wind. The soil, depleted of moisture, was lifted by the wind into great clouds of dust and sand which were so thick they concealed the sun for several days at a time. They were referred to as" black blizzards"." –http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/drought/drght_history.html

      See that same web site for lots and lots of severe droughts from the past.

      Jeremiah the bull frog has better info than your old guy.

      July 27, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Lorraine

      Smurfette, Oh, and the thing about Adam, and Eve, of the apple, well this is really a metaphor of their temptation, and their desire, of Eve, and Adam, and what they chose to do, after being told not to do it, that is all this means.

      July 27, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • archon12

      Lorraine... im genuinely curious now.....so what actually happened between god, adam and eve? what do the trees symbolize? what about the garden itself? i ask because thats a pretty important part of the indictment against us all as sinners- as according to christians, we in the modern day are guilty as eve was on that day for the same crime....and what then is metaphor and what then is real in this book? –

      the snake/eve/original sin thing couldnt have been an attempt by a certain church to guilt trip a dumb as rocks populous into lifelong servitude could it?

      the Bible and its followers remind me of the old Stretch Armstrong Toy... pull, stretch, twist, bend...and back into shape it goes

      July 27, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
  18. steve

    The belief of "GOD" is a concept that helps to calm the human mind when it comes to the strange,and in death.
    The belief in "Jesus" is also the same idea.
    I believe in God.
    I believe in Jesus (SURPRISE to all that know me !!)

    I believe that God WAS there that day, to carry home the spirits of some of his beloved children.
    I know that it is very hard for some of us to follow these beliefs. But if you really THINK about it, you take a whole new look on life.
    I know I wish it had never happened, but "God's Will Be Done"
    I pray for those that were lost. I wish them God Speed. And Love.

    July 27, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Penelope

      How about some evidence for your claims, steve-0?

      You pray for us; we'll think for you.

      July 27, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  19. JustAsking

    If you do not believe in God then what does it matter?

    July 27, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • archon12

      Matters a great deal.... sept. 11 2001 religious fanactics changed everyone's gameplan worldwide.... enable greedy men to set their own plans in motion.. and history itself is laced with examples of exactly what the religious can do to those who do not subscibe to their idea of god.

      July 27, 2012 at 6:04 pm |

    ..Dear Lord!
    ..Shall we pray with the brain-dead?

    July 27, 2012 at 5:47 pm |

      SHEER MAGIC !!!! 🙂


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