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July 26th, 2012
11:36 AM ET
Survey: Among black, Hispanic Americans, complexity reigns on abortion issueBy Dan Merica, CNN Washington (CNN) – A large majority of black and Hispanic Americans identify as both “pro-life” and “pro-choice” when it comes to abortion, according to a survey released Thursday. The poll finds that both minority groups are more likely than Americans in general to embrace or to reject both labels. Large majorities of African-Americans identify both as “pro-life” (71%) and “pro-choice” (75%), according to a Public Religion Research Institute survey released Thursday. Hispanic Americans harbor similarly complex views on abortion, with 77% identifying as “pro-life” and 72% calling themselves as “pro-choice.” The survey found that 52% of black Americans and 47% of Hispanic Americans acknowledge that they embrace or reject both labels, proportions that are higher than those for Americans overall. Thirty seven percent of all Americans embrace both labels or neither label. The numbers show that most people see the pro-life and pro-choice identifiers through their own unique prisms, says Robert P. Jones, CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute. “Most people live outside the culture war and policy wonk bubble,” Jones says. “I think for those folks who make our living following these things, these words are brands, they are movement brands, but in the general public, these words function in a much broader way.” Overall, a majority of black Americans – 67 % - believe abortion should be legal in most cases, while a slight majority of Hispanic Americans – 51% – believe abortion should be illegal in most cases. While views on abortion are often connected to religion, the survey finds that clergy speech “appears to have no independent effect on black or Hispanic congregants’ attitudes toward the legality of abortion.” A strong majority of Hispanic - 84% - and black Americans - 68% - who hear about the abortion issue in church responded that their clergy say abortion is “morally wrong.” But large majorities of black and Hispanic Americans “believe that it is possible to disagree with their religion’s teachings on abortion and still be considered a person of good standing in their faith,” the survey found. “People are kind of putting it together for themselves on many issues, and that is what the survey says,” Jones said of religions' influence on views of abortion. “Institutional religion or official church teachings, those two things are much less important.” |
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This is my experience... Thank you.
MY personal testimony.
A thought to consider without an ego response
I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
The world denounces truth....
Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.
Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.
The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.
Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.
We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .
Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
See the truth...
do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..
Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .
Trancsend the temporal world.
Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .
Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.
Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.
Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....
Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.
You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.
Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.
I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?
Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.
once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it
You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus
my testimony
Romans 10:9
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
To the person who calls himself Jesus: Apparently, you don't understand the concept of prayer. Prayer may not get you out of jail, but it may change your thinking so that when you get out of jail, you may have a better understanding of who you are and your mission in life. Prayer may bring you closer to God or to the people that matter in your life. Prayer may put you on the right track and give you purpose in life. Unfortunaely, we all have trials in life. Prayer may help you make it just one more day and then another day and then another.
So right TomTom.
There ought to be a parenting / intelligence test. For all twerps that fail either, they dont deserve a bleeping child. Mandatory a bortion for em.
hard core. Dunno whether to laugh or cry.
Not my post, Save.
happening a lot to you huh?
Eh, this is a crummy site. Anyone can post any idiocy under anyone's name. I've hit a nerve, handed someone his ass, and he's ticked off about it.
Nothing new.
Ever wonder why Planned Parenthood bldgs tend to be situated in the inner city where minorities reside? How many are in Beverly Hills? A push for contraception in third world countries, under the guise of humanitarian efforts.
Mother Teresa was right.
Are you always this stupid, Junior?
That's because most folks who "have it all together" understand the concept of birth control and how family planning helps THEM and they take personal responsibility in that area f their lives. Those who don't understand as much about life typically don't understand why birth control is something that they NEED to pay attention to.
junior, why would PP be needed in wealthier neighborhoods, where women have access to and the means to afford private care? Do you go to a free clinic for vaccinations?
PP is in those places because for many women there, it's the only care they can access.
PP does a lot of primary care, moron.
Prayer changes things
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!|
God has a purpose for every person's life, if we decide for that person instead of letting God decide then we are going against God. I don't think we don't have any authority to decide if a person deserves to live or not, it's sucha horrible thing to do, killling someone who cannot defend himself/herself.... =/
Then, you do away with free will. "My god told me to kill people." is no different than "My god told me to go out and do good deeds."
It's articles like this that make me want to stop coming to CNN.com forever. Not even an explanation for how these people could be 70% pro-life and 70% pro choice. Maybe the journalist can't say anything because it's simple uneducated ignorance that accounts for such a pathetically absurd result.
They thought you meant Pro-Life as opposed to Pro-Death where you want every living thing on earth to die
There are a number of possible explanations for the results of the survey. CNN should have made clear how the questions were worded and how 'pro-life' and "pro-choice' are defined in the surveys.
The confusion comes from not knowing the difference between pro-life and pro-choice (the two concepts are somewhat confusing!).
Just ask – are you for or against abortion? Every nationality would understand that.
Not that easy. One may be for choice, but not necessary "for" abortion.
Perhaps it should be asked are you for or against government control of your womb?
Is God talking to the guy in the photo? I wonder if he was "hearing" Gods voice when the picture was taken?
Because of the hardness of your heart you will continue to ask such questions. But there is always hope.
Economics is quite simple. The combination of religion and welfare means more lower-class births.
Regardless of race.
Religion requires drones.
It is far easier to have the indoctrinated simply indoctrinate their offspring than it is to recruit from a pool of non-cult members.
That’s why I have always believed legislation limiting parental rights in the area is key to ending the plague.
Seeing children having their minds poisoned before puberty has always annoyed me.
Little girls being dressed like corpses with shaved heads, little men dress in whacked out garb from the 14th century.
Locked in private schools, or home schooled to keep them in the cult, they are often beaten and abused, and some are even mutilated in religious ceremonies.
If we can make those behaviors illegal, we can go a long way towards ending this plague.
The current views presented in the media, related to abortion, are complex and lead to confusion. For example the question of whether or not abortion is killing a child is a question that is strongly debated and poorly answered. There are however scientific laws that govern the impact that abortion has on society. Those laws make it clear that the pro choice side is the only reasonable choice from a scientific perspective. Those laws make it clear that a choice has to be made by anyone that intends to save live. If a person chooses to save a fetus, it will be at the cost of the life of a born person. http://www.facebook.com/naturalabortionlaw http://www.naturalabortionlaw.com
"Those laws make it clear that the pro choice side is the only reasonable choice from a scientific perspective. Those laws make it clear that a choice has to be made by anyone that intends to save live. If a person chooses to save a fetus, it will be at the cost of the life of a born person".
This is by far the most rediculous logic I've ever heard on support for abortion. With this logic, nobody would have children in order to preserve their own life? That would certainly lead to an unsustainable human species. Perhaps that is the goal of this philosophy.
Choose life...it's what your parents did.
SPA Knight: While I don't agree that "saving" a fetus will "cost the life of a born person", I do strongly believe that the life, health, and rights of a born person should ALWAYS supercede any perceived "rights" of a fetus. Frankly, I don't know why we're still having this tired old conversation as a society. Pregnancy, wanted or unwanted, is a health issue best left to the discretion of women and their phycians–not the gov't.
So pregnancy is a disease now? We all exist because our mothers were plagued with the disease of pregnancy? Nobody gets pregnant by accident, it is the successful product of sx.
In other words they are standard Christians
They want to apply rules and regulations to YOUR behavior that they refuse to apply to themselves.
Frankly, if Blacks and Latinos think the quality of their life is bad now, what do they think would happen if they banned abortion? A murdered fetus might draw some compassion from an image perspective, but when one is actually in the barrio or the ghetto with a knife at his throat it would at that moment more preferable that the mother of your assailant had aborted.
Those who hate abortion ALSO hate those who would abort. Schools, social services and education have been decimated. So what has the anti abortion crowd done to improve the lives of the poor who choose not to abort?
The best thing that comes to mind is they do create lots of military conflict to "reduce the surplus population"
Each aborted child is one less in an over crowded school, or one less wandering the streets producing another shipmate on the Voyage of the Damned
Poverty REQUIRES abortion, and if you want to end one, you need to make efforts to end the other. Abortion reduces crime, welfare, violence, gangs and shrinks the size of those who are lost before they are ever born.
In a world where it is easier to get a gun than it is to get a job, we had better all thank God he gave us abortion!!!!
I think you are on to something! We shouldn't ignore or forget that believers have 70+% of all abortions in the USA each year.
From the Article: "While views on abortion are *often* connected to religion, the survey finds that clergy speech “appears to have no independent effect on black or Hispanic congregants’ att-itudes toward the legality of abortion.”
From the Article: " A strong majority of Hispanic – 84% – and black Americans – 68% – who hear about the abortion issue in church responded that their (clergy say) abortion is (“morally wrong.”) But large majorities of black and Hispanic Americans “believe that it is *possible* to disagree with their religion’s teachings on abortion and still be considered a person of good standing in their faith,” the survey found. "
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While it 'may' be 'possible' to disagree with one's priest, minister, etc... It seems that clergy + biblical teachings being hammered home consistently, will continue to have overall dramatic and overwhelming effects in shaping a believers 'belief system' about their views on the topic of abortion.
Peace...
Of course you are right. The religious influence is all that carries the pro life movement. Scientifically, socially, politically and morally the pro life position is bad for our society.
"Large majorities of African-Americans identify both as “pro-life” (71%) and “pro-choice” (75%), according to a Public Religion Research Insttute survey released Thursday. Hispanic Americans harbor similarly complex views on abortion, with 77% identifying as “pro-life” and 72% calling themselves as “pro-choice.”"
I'm obviously missing something. Can anyone explain how this makes any sense at all? Percentages have to add up to 100, this here doesn't work.
'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.' – Mark Twain
Not sure, but it's possible that the survey is more complex than simply "pro-life" or "pro-choice".
@Tom,
That's what I'm thinking, maybe people responded that they were pro-life for themselves and would never get an abortion, but they're pro-choice for others who may want/need one. That's the only think I could think of that would give that result, but honestly that just makes the person pro-choice.
Right. It is possible to be pro-life but still believe that abortion should not be made illegal or be pro-choice and not approve of abortion under any possible circu mstances.
Apparently it the way the questions are asked, i.e. one question about "pro-life" and one about "pro-choice".
From the linked report:
" More than 7-in-10 black Americans (71%) and Hispanic Americans (77%) say that the term “pro-life” describes them somewhat or very well. At the same time, three-quarters (75%) of black Americans and 72% of Hispanic Americans report that “pro-choice” describes them somewhat or very well."
It's only a survey not scientific proof.
@SPA
Who said anything about this being any more than a survey? Strange, I don't see anyone claiming a scientific proof arising from this.
There is nothing complex about the following:
The reality of se-x, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-
Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...
The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:
: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.
Added information before making your next move:
from the CDC-2006
"Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."
And from:
Consumer Reports, January, 2012
"Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-
Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.
"Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)
Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.
The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
– (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
– (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
Followed by:
One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)
Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).
Dude
You forgot UGLY.
If the broad is nasty looking enough, it's 100 guaranteed I wont knock her up.
> The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
There's your problem right there.
Rundvelt,
As noted previously:
"The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs."