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Atheism is healthy for children and all living things.
Forgiveness is overrated. At some point people need to take responsibility for their actions.
God was there in the theater, in the love and heroism of those who protected others and even gave their lives for others, in the struggle to survive, and, later, in the expressions of love from the families of those who died or were injured, in the forgiveness many showed the shooter, in the pleas that we understand and help those who are mentally ill, in the joy to be alive, in the monetary contributions toward the hospital bills of those who have no health insurance. Mental illness is not evil; the failure to treat mental illness is quite a failure and affects many more than those who suffer it.
@Paticia,
"God was there in the theater, in the love and heroism of those who protected others and even gave their lives for others"
No. You do not get to co-opt human herosim to try and make a questionable deity seem better. THose people risked their lives to save others because they wer egood people, and it is the human thing to do, to protect the ones you care about. You have no idea what religion any of them were, and to say their actions were related to "God" is ridiculous.
What's more, if their actions were the result of "God's" influence, then "God" looks horrible. "No, I won't act to stop this sociopath from slaughtering people, but I will compell you to get in the way of the bullet so you get shot instead of someone else". The "God" of that scenario deserves to be forgotten, not praised. Without considereing "God", we can focus on the people, who commited many noble acts, adn DO warrant praise and remembrence.
I can't watch the video at work, so I'm commenting from just the ttle (something I hate doing because they're nearly always misleading). If there is ANY truth to the ttle at all- No. Wrong. This is not the sort of act that should be forgiven. It is an insult to those who died, it is an insult to those who survived, it is an insult to the families and loved ones who weren't there but were affected, and it is an insult to everyone who goes through life following the rules, and caring for/respecting the lives of the people around them. If this shooting was "God's" plan, he's not worth following. If it was the work of Satan then it shouldn't be forgiven it should be condemned. If there are no gods or demons and this was the act of a very wrong headed human being (my bet), then that person deserves to be punished, not forgiven. At the absolute lightest, some external influence drove whoever committed this shooting insane, in which case they are due some understanding, but never forgiveness.
"There are none worthy of judging others but 'God'." Bullsh-t. "God" if he even exists, is the last person worthy of judging events like this. "God" doesn't live with us, doesn't walk the earth, and doesn't face the same perils and hardships that we humans do. We the men and women who live as a cooperative society who are put at risk by such senseless acts are the ONLY beings in the universe who have a place to judge them. And whatever that judgment ends up being, it absolutely should NOT be forgiveness.
I think he's an attention grabbing fool.why doesn't he just say how lucky he was and leave out all that. "God did this for a good reason" crap.
Prayer changes things
Proven
I have no doubt that prayer "works" for people who do it. Human beings have an amazing capacity– God-given if you must believe that– for healing, and there is an enormous psychological component to that. Positive thinking really does work in a lot of cases. I would never try to take that away from anyone who believes it.
However, it is very tiring to hear the same old "God saved me" claims every time bad things happen. For every story that prayer "works" by saving someone's life, there are examples where highly spiritual people people died despite their life's dedication to their faith and their God. Christianity, and most religions, are closed belief systems that are internally self-consistent. There is an explanation for every outcome. If God "allows" a shooter to enter a darkened theater late at night where people are just relaxing and enjoying their evening, usually with good friends, a spouse, or other people close to them, it's free will. God allows "stuff" to happen, as it were.
If someone gets killed, it's explained away as saying that God needed an angel or some other trite justification. If they are passed over and survive "merely" with a grievous inury, it's because prayer works. And so on.
Again, if that works for you, more power to you. Have fun with that. Just don't try to put it on me, because from here it looks like the only thing I mentioned above that is truly true is "stuff happens". The rest of it is just psychological comfort for those who survived, especially if they lost a loved one and know that "they're in a better place now".
You're a proven liar. Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!^
Prayer works because it stimulates a small part of your brain releasing chemicals which bring you peaceful feelings. Not because there is a god who is granting wishes. It is the same feelings received by people who meditate.
So yes, I'm all for praying, but give credit where credit is due.....mind ....over....matter......
Theres a bunch of Ya Hoos posting here I see.. Theres seven kinds of stupid in this world and Ive run across more than that on here. Man oh Man...Hooo doggy you all need some good drugs to get your mind straight.
Jesus watches young children go to the bathroom.
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Kindness
This is my experience... Thank you.
MY personal testimony.
A thought to consider without an ego response
I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
The world denounces truth....
Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.
Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.
The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.
Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.
We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .
Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
See the truth...
do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..
Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .
Trancsend the temporal world.
Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .
Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.
Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.
Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....
Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.
You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.
Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.
I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?
Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.
once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it
You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus
my testimony
Romans 10:9
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
more epistle phlegm from the self-proclaimed "apostle" but true politician Paul.
Wow, this guy is an idiot on so many levels.
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I am glad that the survivor forgive the shooter even through the shooter have a cold heart.
I am reminded of the Cubs "Curse of the Billy Goat" back in 1945 and how their fans forgive them year in and year out despite their poor record.
Background:
The curse of the Billy Goat was supposedly placed on the Chicago Cubs in 1945 when Billy Goat Tavern owner Billy Sianis was asked to leave a World Series game against the Detroit Tigers at the Cubs' home ground of Wrigley Field because his pet goat's odor was bothering other fans. He was outraged and declared, "Them Cubs, they aren't gonna win no more," which has been interpreted to mean that there would never be another World Series game won at Wrigley Field.
FROM THE VERY UNITED KINGDOM ...
Dear Lord!
Shall we pray with the brain-dead?
Amen!
Please do! 🙂
I am reminded of how Fabrice Muamba's collapse showed how prayer comes naturally to UK futballers. The wave of faith following the Bolton player's cardiac arrest is not as unlikely as you think – footballers pray from instinct.
What was Tim Tebow doing in Colorado? He plays for the Jets now, not Denver.
I am reminded of how the victims in the Penn State s.e.x abuse scandal have forgiven Sandusky.
Wait so God gave the him a chance to show the world by killing a bunch of people, i guess god ordered Satan to shoot up the place to this man can have the opportunity to go on national TV to flatter him..
brilliant plan there Yahweh
Lex Luther couldn't have done better
well anything to further your reign i guess
you know maybe the shooter stoped because he seen him praying and said oh we pray to the same god.
It's Lex Luthor
Jeeeeeese, get it right.
Sam, you subscript to the man-made lies of the talmud. Why don't you smarten up and read Jesus’ letter to us, the Bible. I am a moldy ho. It contains God’s truth which is Jesus’ truth which is the Truth. Jesus Christ's truth are resurrected to eternity while I am flying with Evil.
Amen.
sorry I'm an Otaku not an Comic geek, but if i said Gauron it would have reached a small audience but Gauron is the better evil mastermind
actually HeavenSent i know god and that son of his personally,... worst family ever
Fake heavensent proves atheists have no moral code of ethics, as, everything goes for them.
HS, I am trying to be nice here, but I have asked you on two other occasions if you would KINDLY stop using periods at the end of your posts. I don't use them and it is creating friction in the work flow. This is not an easy job and your cooperation is very much appreciated. We all have to pitch in and do our part and work as a team. Thanks sweetheart.
HSB
Fake heavensent, "nice" is just a word to you. As is sociopath.
Prayer changes things .
-Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
Hey-Zeus, You subcribe to the teachings of the Talmud (Tommie Tom/Scotty). You prideful athiests have itchy ears don't you? Why don't smarten up and learn His truth by reading Jesus' letter to us, the Bible? I guess you just want to be fat drippings.
Amen.
@Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things
What would you say when a Hindu person pray to another human who believes to be thier God in their community and also gets healed??? any answers???
As long as a person can be kept from the true God, Satan has accomplished his goal. The person "healed" will eventually die and be eternally separated from God, all the while believing that their idol was real. PT Barnum said it best there is a sucker born every minute. God bless
P.T. Barnum was referring to you 'bad just saying', idiot.
HeavenSent Blog, still haven't looked up those scriptures yet, I see! Look up sociopath while you are at it.
Sadly, this man will still be committing the exact same sin he is forgiving Mr. Holmes of when the state of Colorado avengenges all of those deaths by sticking a needle in Mr. Holmes arm. This cold blooded murder is no different whether committed in a theater or 20 years from now in a jailhouse in the name of every citizen of Colorado.
If he is killed in a jailhouse in the name of the state it's not a murder it is an execution. the difference is that executions are legal.
Let me start this off with a quote from a famous lesbian, Lynn Lavner:
"There are 6 admonishments in the Bible concerning homosexual activity, and our enemies are always throwing them up to us – usually in a vicious way and very much out of context.
What they don't want us to remember is that there are 362 admonishments in the Bible concerning heterosexual activity. I don't mean to imply by this that God doesn't love straight people, only that they seem to require a great deal more supervision."
I am going to attempt to keep this short and simple; so here we go.
Some claim that Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 clearly say that homosexual sex is an abomination. In fact, it merits death. Isn't it obvious that God hates homosexuality?
Yes, depending on which translation you are using, Leviticus does say, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female, it's an abomination." However, a few points must be made about this statement:
a) It appears in Leviticus, which was given to preserve the distinctive characteristics of the religion and culture of Israel. However, as stated in Galatians 3:22-55, Christians are no longer bound by these Jewish laws. Even if you, for some reason, argue that these "laws" are still important, then you surely follow all of them, right?
It is interesting that people who use Leviticus against the gay community forget the part that talks about religious sacrifices, making women sleep in tents outside during their period, the dietary restrictions placed on them and how to cleanse a leper, all of which appear in Leviticus.
The laws of Leviticus are completely obsolete for today's Christian; however, even if you do claim to live by the laws of Leviticus, it is not fair to pick and choose which laws you are going to live by, or condemn a people by, if you are not going to follow the others. You should not need any more convincing evidence than this; but if you do, be my guest.
b) The word that was in the original work, "to'ebah," which was translated into Greek as "bdglygma" actually means "ritual impurity" rather than abomination (or enormous sin). These passages in Leviticus can be translated to not mean homosexual sex generally, but only limiting homosexual sex in Pagan temples.
c) This passage does not denounce homosexual behavior as a whole, but just the specific act of anal sex. This was meant for the prevention of disease. It was ruled unclean because it was physically unclean; however, hygiene has made wonderful advances since that time.
d) These passages in Leviticus can be interpreted in many ways. I have seen it interpreted by scholars and priests to mean: "don't have sex with another man in your wife's bed;" "don't have sex with another man in the temple;" and "don't have sex with another man and pretend he is a woman," just to name a few.
I have never seen an interpretation in any Bible, or from any scholar, that specifically says to never have sex with a man.
Some claim the Bible simply does not support gay marriage. Chapter two of Genesis defines marriage as a holy union between a man and a woman. And later, in Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus himself reiterates the traits of a traditional marriage. How can you argue that anything other than celibacy is honorable for gay and lesbian people?
Yes, marriage is a holy union. However, in these passages, while Jesus reiterates (but does not require) the traditional marriage, he also provides an exception for eunuchs (castrated men – or otherwise impotent men, in today's terms), and allowed them to be married, saying that this law is given to those to whom it applies.
Because these eunuchs were born sexless, God made an exception for them because it was natural. The same applies to the Gay community today. Science has proven homosexuality is completely natural, so it seems God would allow for homosexual marriages.
In Matthew 19: 4-5, Jesus encourages a traditional path, but does not discourage alternatives, except in the case of divorce.
Jesus did stress purity of marriage, but not in regard to the sexes of the people within it. It can be seen that the reason that churches are against homosexual marriage is not because it is explicitly said by God, but because of a lack of instruction to specifically allow it.
In the time that the Bible was written it would have been impossible to foresee the future to be able to specifically allow or forbid homosexual marriage.
Some claim, in Paul's letter to the Corinthians, he lists homosexuals amongst the many sinners who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Doesn't that make God's position on this vice very clear?
If we look at the other types of people listed in this passage, we can understand what it is actually talking about. Law breakers, thieves, adulterers and drunks are specifically mentioned. The word "homosexual" was not found until the 1890s, so it would have been impossible for it to be in the original version.
What actually appears in the original is Paul condemning those who are "effeminate" and "abusers of themselves with mankind." In this context, the original Greek word, "malakos," is translated into effeminate, or soft, which, more than likely, refers to someone who lacks discipline or moral control.
In this passage, when Paul condemns "abusers of themselves with mankind," he is speaking of male prostitutes.
Then there are the people who claim that, even though science has proven that people don't choose their sexual orientation, the fact remains that homosexuality is unnatural. Romans 1:26-27 tells us that humans have a sinful nature, and therefore commit sins against God. Certain people are predisposed to be alcoholics and pedophiles, but that doesn't make their actions any less immoral. God tells us to "tear out your eye" if it makes you stumble. Why can't you just accept homosexuality as the part of your nature you must deny?
Because the Bible has gone through so many translations, and through the hands of many people (some being non-believers), it is not surprising that the meaning has become a little fuzzy in parts.
Homosexuality is normal. The phrase "para physin" appears in the original text for this verse. This term is often translated to mean "unnatural;" however, more accurate translation would be unconventional.
Proof for this can be found in 1 Corinthians 11:14 where Paul uses this phrase to refer to men with long hair (unconventional, not unnatural) and in Romans 11:24 where Paul uses this phrase to refer to the positive action God made to bring together the Jews and Gentiles.
All in all, homosexuality is obviously not a sin, unless you take passages from the Bible and add your own words or you just try really hard to interpret it that way. Let's just remember Galatians 5:14, where Paul stated, "the whole Law is fulfilled in one Statement, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
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Hey-Zues
Personal worm that feeds off them, is never quenched, for eternity
Believing the lies of satan that they will be collectively mini-gods
Do as the atheists do in this country to ensure the USA goes belly up
Too blind to see His truth whether I write it in street language or scripture form
Jesus told us to send r-apists and murderers back to Him
Atheists lie when they talk about freedom of speech
He ran off all the Christians from the other site he oversaw
That will be the end of you
Itchy Ears
God doesn't have favorites
Carnal
You're a putz, cough fool
Liar against His truth
Abide in Jesus' truth
Prideful
Stay on the wrong side of the gulf until you are blotted out for eternity
Tommie Tom
Scotty
Minions of satan
Prayer changes things
Talmud
Man-made lies of the talmud
Jesus’ letter, the Bible
God’s truth
Jesus’ truth
The truth
Jesus Christ's truth are resurrected to eternity
I am flying with Evil
Boo hoo
I know from Moe Curly of the 3 stooges that nothing works
Truth
Those that believe in Him go with Him to eternity
Lies lies lies
Fat drippings
Personal worms
Horrors, earth quakes, floods, disasters are God's wrath against all of us
You fools doing evil
You atheists
Smug atheists
Prideful atheists
Amen
Throw away that users manual
Prayer really works
No eyes to see or hear His truth
Blotted out for eternity
Burn burn burn for all eternity
Writing your filth
True Christians
The liar satan
Snakes in your Belly
Athiests at CNN
They are blocking my posts again
Dead bones
Logic?? I don't require a single shred to define my beliefs
You must like worms
Pay no attention to the small minded fools that got their brain fried
Read back through the previous articles for over a year dummy
I know you atheists to be fools
Notice who is most quoted in the Golden rule. Jesus Christ's wisdom
You believing something doesn't make it true
I'm not holding my breath
You own those labels
Humble yourself and ask Jesus for forgiveness
Reprobate minds
Jesus told us he would give you reprobate minds
After their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears
Satan's lies causes confusion
Atheists write this garbage
Satan is death
You are fooling yourself if you don't tell gays they suffer for eternity
Tortured for eternity
Pathetic
Blame it on the Christians for having the guts to tell idiots God's truth
Your father Satan
End of days taught in Jesus' truth is nothing new to Christians
Another rock. Nothing new under the sun
You insist on your lies having wings to fly
You are still a pigeon
The entire MO behind the atheist is to throw out as many lies and see what sticks
Debating is the atheists game
Satan impregnated Eve with Cain
I know you atheists to be fools
Christians are on these articles to ensure Jesus Christ's truth is posted
Start your walk with Jesus
Blinded by satan's lies
Test from God. Do you have what it takes to pass?
Serpent is just one of the multiple names of Lucifer aka satan
The big bang and evolution are lies against Jesus’ truth to cause doubt, creating confusion
Satan's lies are built on quick sand foundation
What part of Jesus' truth is clarity and satan's lies are confusion do you not comprehend?
There are no flaws in His word
Jesus' truth stands for eternity
Get over your obsession with me
Lions and tigers and bears, oh my
Rocks, everywhere on this site, rocks
Seeds of Jesus falling on rock.
Stepping over His seeds that get blown by the wind to find their way to fertile grounds
Typical of swines trampling
It's obsessive compulsion to grab at any straw to give a reason not to learn or understand
Go back to posting under my handle and answering yourself
Scott
Get a life and try to grow
Singular swine using multiple handles.
You still continue to refuse to learn your heritage
I've posted the answer numerous times
I'm glad the line from the movie Secretariat sticks in your mind
Statistics prove that the more devout someone is, the higher IQ they have
Read the Bible. It is 100 percent accurate in every facet
It makes me smile to know that people will be tortured in hell for eternity
He steals their handles to write his evil
You atheists steal my handle to post your evil will
Reap the sword of the Lord Jesus when He returns
Stealing our handles
Why are you lying?
Get an education to His truth
What's your point small god savior?
I expect foolish thinking from an atheist
Jesus’ wisdom is roaring it's ugly head throughout the world
The atheist that hijacks my handle to spew their lies
Hhmmm, confused?
Remember….Muslims, Jews and Atheists need not apply!
Amen.
Get a life Tommie Tom. When will you believe the Truth? The word of God, the Bible is 100% accurate. I have fleas.You will burn in your own fat drippings as your own personal worm eats you for all enternity.
Amen.
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female, it's an abomination."
basically Levis are forbidden to speak gossip with men
that's right folks 4/5 orthodox Jews agree Leviticus only applies to Levites because Leviticus is the book on how to run the temple and how the Levites should run their life,.. the one out of 5 orthodox group that doesn't agree is,..Drum roll the Pharisees,.. the keepers of the Law aka the Pharisees,.. believe the law apply to all Jews/Christians/Muslims regardless of the law. i guess the Christians agree with the pharisees,.. so Christians how that yoke taste i know i love it
Shawn, you and your famous lesbian both rewrite what Jesus had Holy men scribe instead of reading what He did have scribed. Meaning, you won't grow spiritually through lies. You can only grow spiritually by comprehending and abiding in Jesus' truth.
As for the fake heavensent and blog, your egos are right on cue.