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July 31st, 2012
04:15 PM ET

Black pastors group launches anti-Obama campaign around gay marriage

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – A group of conservative black pastors are responding to President Barack Obama’s support of same-sex marriage with what they say will be a national campaign aimed at rallying black Americans to rethink their overwhelming support of the President, though the group’s leader is offering few specifics about the effort.

The Rev. Williams Owens, who is president and founder of the Coalition of African-Americans Pastors and the leader of the campaign, has highlighted opposition to same-sex marriage among African-Americans. He calls this campaign “an effort to save the family.”

“The time has come for a broad-based assault against the powers that be that want to change our culture to one of men marrying men and women marrying women,” said Owens, in an interview Tuesday after the launch event at the National Press Club. “I am ashamed that the first black president chose this road, a disgraceful road.”

At the press conference, Owens was joined by five other black regional pastors and said there were 3,742 African-American pastors on board for the anti-Obama campaign.

When asked at the press conference for specifics about the campaign – funding, planned events and goals – Owens said only that the group’s first fundraiser will be on August 16 in Memphis, Tennessee. But Owens insisted that “we are going to go nationwide with our agenda just like the president has gone to Hollywood.”

In May, Obama announced on ABC News that he thought “same sex couples should be able to get married." The president had previously said that he opposed gay marriage, but said in May that his views were personal and did not represent a policy change.

In a fiery Tuesday press conference at the press club, Owens said Obama was taking the black vote for granted and decried the idea of similarities between the gay rights movement and the civil rights movement, an assertion made by the NAACP following Obama’s same-sex marriage support.

Owens has long been an opponent of gay marriage and consults with the National Organization for Marriage as a liaison to the black churches.

At the press conference, Owens said that Obama’s support of same-sex marriage tantamount to supporting child molestation.

“If you watch the men who have been caught having sex with little boys, you will note that all of them will say that they were molested as a child…” Owens said. “For the president to condone this type of thing is irresponsible.”

Owens later walked about those comments back, saying he didn’t think the president was condoning molestation.

Earlier this year, memos obtained by The Human Rights Campaign in a Maine civil actions suit revealed that NOM aims at making gay marriage a wedge issued “between gays and blacks,” according to the released confidential plans.

“The strategic goal of this project is to drive a wedge between gays and blacks - two key Democratic constituencies," one NOM memo states. In light of the release, Brian Brown, president of NOM, said that he is proud of the group’s “strong record” on minority partnerships.

A Pew Research Center poll conducted in April found that 49% of African-Americans oppose legalized same-sex marriage, compared with 39% who support it. But that shows a softening on the position in recent years; In 2008, only 26% of blacks were in favor of same sex marriage, according to the same Pew poll.

At the same time, black voters overwhelmingly supported Obama in 2008, while more recent polling shows a nearly equal level of support for the president’s 2012 reelection.

In a Public Religion Research Institute poll released last week, 18% of black Americans surveyed said they see same-sex marriage a “critical issue,” putting it behind the economy, education, deficit, a growing wealth gap and immigration.

According to Robert P. Jones, the CEO of the polling company, there is no evidence that same-sex marriage is something African-Americans will bring to the ballot box in November.

“Among African-Americans, I think same-sex marriage will be a nonissue in the election,” Jones told CNN. “We just have no evidence what so ever in slippage of support for Obama, even after his announcement in support of same sex marriage.”

The reaction of black pastors to the president’s support for gay marriage has been as varied as their congregations, ranging from condemnation to congratulations.

"We may disagree with our president on this one issue," Rev. Wallace Charles Smith said from the pulpit of the Shiloh Baptist Church in Washington on the Sunday after Obama announced his support for legalized gay unions. "But we will keep him lifted up in prayer. ... pray for President Barack Obama."

At the Tuesday press conference, Owens questioned Obama’s commitment to black Americans, stating that the president is just “half-black, half-white” and has long “ignored the black press.”

He is “ignoring the people that put him in the White House,” Owens said.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Black issues • Obama • Pastors • Politics • Race • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (1,434 Responses)
  1. Captain Obvious

    Clearly these pastors criticizing Obama are racist.

    August 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  2. chris_columbus

    A Shout-out for these pastors. Hope their opinions snowball or the black segment of the populations will further decline in morality, carrying the rest of the country with them. Unfortunately, many of these people go ahead and vote democrat anyway. Either they are preaching to the wind (having no impact) or duplitiously voting for democarts, cos the Democrats get 93% of the black vote. Bottom line is – blacks don't need more money for education, welfare, food stamps, free health care (cos we don't have it). They need to take more responsibility, just like the federal gov't needs to get hold of the debt. The deficit spending is making anyone any better, but it will surely make future generations poorer and more distrustful of eah other. Until these leaders openly say to the nation that Democrat philosophy is bad for blacks and the nation and that they should vote republicans, we will all be worse off.

    August 1, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      Are you under Mitt's desk right now? Have you mentioned how much republicans 'care' for the struggle of the lower class? Oh, and did you mention how the black community has a large population of low income families? Republicans attack Planned Parenthood, Affirmative Action, don't even mention gun reform (sheesh), anything protecting the enviornment, they want to de-regulate Wall Street ('because the market can fix itself'). Hey Chrissy, tell me when the modern RNC EVER gave 2 cents about anyone poor, and I'll tell you that you have an argument. Otherwise.... just continue attending to Mitt's needs.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • chris_columbus

      @averageJoe: This is exactly whhat I am saying. You have your mouth hanging out to get some broth, u want to feed at the trough, u want dole, alms and all the other give-aways. the purpose of the gov't is not to take from people and feed you. You are a parasite on society. But worse wioth the $15T dollars watsed on the fight against poverty, there has been no decrease in the poverty numbers. What we got is a whole range of pathologies. They should cut-off the tongue of able-bodied, lazy, good-for-nothing parasites when they stretch it out for more broth. Those Food-stamp cards should be shredded. Charitable organizations like these black churches should take care of the unfortunate and get the gov't out of it. The Fed's owe that same $15T in debt. You should be ashamed of yourself for begging for a few morsels of food. You cannot improve your lot on that.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      It's as easy as this; those in comfort do not want to be uncomfortable, and they fight to remain in comfort, while some people fight to simply eat. Poor people are lazy, because 'they don't pull themselves up', not because they were born into poverty and 'pulling up' is a lot easier said than done. I'm not giving a free pass here. I want everyone to work for what they get. But republicans don't even care for the Middle class, let alone the lower class. They don't even want Planned Parenthood to exsist! Which is FUNNY when you consider how that helps lower the # of unwanted mouths to feed on welfare (DUH!).

      August 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  3. Fakeman123

    Obama isn't even the first black president. Lets not forget he is half white. If anything he is the first mixed race president.

    August 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • chris_columbus

      quit talking about race. this is what the Democrats like to do. look Blacks are the most racist segemt in the population. They voote 93% democrats. they bring up the race-card even in disconnected issues. If Obama had 1% balck they will still vote for a balck. Both Clintons went to the south and picked up on the black twang – that was good enough for 90% of blacks. It's all emotions, no logic, just ask Herman cain or any other conservative black. none of these conservation black can understand the logic and reasoning of blacks.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  4. cornol spearman

    Wow I grew up in mississippi civil rights era I watched people march down the street singing ain't nobody goin to turn me around what has happen to us as African Americans to deny somebody their right to merry who need church when you got small minded people like these pastors. You don't hear Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson talking against gay marriage it go against there principal

    August 1, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today

      I'm sure I misunderstood your earlier post. But with this one, although I may not go to church with you and won't speak about Jackson and Sharpton, I appreciate how the common sense wisdom gained from your personal experience speaks to this issue.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
  5. Robert G

    What a silly reason not to vote for Obama.
    Obama funneling money off to his environmentalist cronies is a good reason not to vote for Obama
    Obama hiding information on Fast & Furious which cause the death of a US agent is a good reason not to vote for Obama
    Obama shutting down oil drilling in the gulf and a lose of jobs and high gas prices is a good reason not to vote for Obama
    Obama blocking the Keystone oil pipeline is a good reason to not vote for Obama
    Obama allowing illegals into the country that then commit crimes and murders is a good reason not to vote for Obama
    Obama shipping jobs over seas is a good reason not to vote for Obama
    Obama creating the biggest tax increase in history with Obamacare is a good reason not to vote for Obama
    Obama crippling our electric power grid by shutting coal powered electric plants is a good reason not to vote for Obama
    etc etc etc

    August 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • WASP

      @robert:"Obama funneling money off to his environmentalist cronies is a good reason not to vote for Obama
      Obama hiding information on Fast & Furious which cause the death of a US agent is a good reason not to vote for Obama
      Obama shutting down oil drilling in the gulf and a lose of jobs and high gas prices is a good reason not to vote for Obama
      Obama blocking the Keystone oil pipeline is a good reason to not vote for Obama
      Obama allowing illegals into the country that then commit crimes and murders is a good reason not to vote for Obama
      Obama shipping jobs over seas is a good reason not to vote for Obama
      Obama creating the biggest tax increase in history with Obamacare is a good reason not to vote for Obama
      Obama crippling our electric power grid by shutting coal powered electric plants is a good reason not to vote for Obama
      etc etc etc"

      1a)better than bush funneling money to big tobacco, KBR, and all those other lovely companies that are distroying our home.
      2a) funny thing about that one it was good ol' bushy that set that up for them good ol' boys. lmfao bush set that up when america asked for proof on why we were in iraq, he blocked until we found out the truth then he had to admit "no weapons of mass destruction in iraq"
      3a) another lie and mislead; gas and oil prices have been dropping over the past couple months and no major hit to job market; however a nice hit to people getting blown up on malfunctioning oil rigs hat didn't meet OSHA standards.
      4a)keystone pipeline was going to cut over top the aquafer that is in the middle of this country and possibly contaminate our bread basket region if an oil spill or attack was launched against it. so yay enviroment and boooo big business as usual.
      5a) president was doing a cost effective measure by not chasing after illegals already here THAT HAVEN'T COMMITED CRIMES and focusing effort on our border. great way to save money if you don't have agents chasing ghosts in the night and actually standing guard at our borders.
      6a) president obama attempted to disband tax cuts to companies shipping jobs out of america and give those tax breaks to companies staying in america but the good ol' republicans blocked that one.
      7a) yeah encouraging companies to adhere to OSHA standards is a horrible thing, it's not like the huge influx of new power hungry devices would EVER contribute to a failing infastructure that has been neglected by not only the republican dominated governmental history in this country but also by the emerging work force as a whole seeing the dream of riches put into their heads by pushy parents has nothing to do with our current problems. ROFLMFAO

      get real and see the true problems in this world and find better solutions instead of sitting here crying about it.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • New Canaan CT Independant

      The paid Obama apoligists & posters are on to you Robert G.

      Don't let the intellectually challenged and ethically promiscuous Obama "voluntees" (everything about this president nd his campaign has been and continues to be fraudulent) get you down.

      They work off of prepared briefs, lists of talking points and get paid either by the hour or by the post. The only objective is to cast doubt abou any factual or opinion based criticism of Barack Obama, Michelle and this thoroughly inept and amatuer POTUS, FLOTUS and Administration.

      In the real world opinions are like ass holes in that everyone has one. In the case of the Obama apologists.....they have no opinions...........they're given to them by people "smarter" than them..................self-anointed ones just like Obama.........only admittedly not as smart as the self-proclaimed "one of the smartest if not the smartest" President of the United States ever!

      WASP is a waste of space, air and earthly resources........................

      August 1, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
  6. Russ

    Let's recap the CNN belief blog:
    May: Black churches come out against Obama's stance on g.ay marriage
    June: Michelle Obama tells black churches to get more politically involved

    Is this "I like to kick hornet's nests & still get your vote" or "I just don't care what you think" politics?

    August 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • New Canaan CT Independant

      Russ –

      Michelle is communicating both points..........

      In the first she wants black actively supporting her husband............

      In the second she is speaking her truth...........she really doen't care what Blacks think............she is elite, a celebrityalthough questionable, she is a person of consequence................long before she is eithe Black or an American.

      Also...........CNN must have coordinated the release of this article wih the Obama campaign beucase the number of paid Obama aploogists participating in this dsicussion is HUGE! They're not even attempting subtlety or guise they're obvious and aggressively attempting to crush any post unfavorable to Obama, Michelle.

      I think they're worried about Obama's fate in the Noveme 6, 2012 election. What do you think?

      NOBAMA Starting November 6, 2012!

      August 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  7. Marisa

    Dear OB83,
    Drinking cool aid is not a racist term- Jim Jones-Guyana- the whole cult drank the poisoned cool aid and died!
    It has nothing to do with racism and has everything to do with not using your mind to draw your own conclusions based upon the information you have before you!

    WASP you are smoking something... "pres.obama had a majority house and senate that was ruled by the republicans"?!?!?
    What?!?!? He is a democrat if he had the majority in the house and senate they were democrats!!!! You are also uneducated much has changed because of executive orders and the czars doing the dirty work. Our government is suppose to be 3 co-equal branches of govt. PLEASE check your facts!!! You are the one who is clueless!!!!

    August 1, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • WASP

      @marisa: testy testy. lol. the majority as it stands now, is with the republicans in the house and majority of democrats in the senate. look up the numbers and while you're at it look up what bills passed the senate and were shot down or blocked by the republican house. i have done my research and not bought into any one channels......cough.....cough.....fox news....spin on things. try watching keeping them honest lovely program.
      i still don't understand how you can think the president has any influence over the house and senate, he can only veto a bill once it gets to his desk and even then if the senate get 2/3 majority they can trump his veto. it's lovely when you take off the red tinted shades and see how the government truly works.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • New Canaan CT Independant

      Marisa –

      WASP is a paid Obama apologist speaking from prepared briefs and positioins papers and, like Obama himself, loose with the facts.

      The dems controlled the house & senate until the 2010 elections. Prior to that they could have passed anything the wanted.

      And contrary the WASP's representation..............they had the ability to override any attempt at a GOP FILIBUSTER.

      Classic Liberal / Democrat / Obama *sswipe..........do as I say not do as I do. Best you educate yourself WASP before or after after you pull your head and Obama's manhood {Michelle's tongue} out of your rectum...............it's FILIBUSTER you turd.............not philabuster......before disparaging others.

      Hot air indeed....................coming from you and people like you.

      WASP = joke-off

      When you see his ID................skip it without wasting your time..............just move on!

      August 1, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  8. cornol spearman

    They might as well ride with the kkk

    August 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  9. SlackMeyer

    WAIT!! According to Liberal/Progressive ideology and dogma, these pastors are African-American and previously voted President Obama, and, therefore, CANNOT BE CRITICIZED. Because, according to Liberal/Progressive ideology and dogma, criticism of African-Americans is AUTOMATICALLY due to RACISM of the criticizer!

    So, in the spirit of the Liberal/Progressive movement, I therefore deem all who criticize these pastors as: RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST!

    August 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • rAmen

      nice strawman. NEXT!

      August 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Eric G

      Not racists........ They are bigots.

      Big difference..........

      You may now continue your regularly scheduled logical fallacy.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • cornol spearman

      I agree with you they mite as well ride with the kkk

      August 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today

      Wow. Please take a decongestant Slack. You need to kick-start a few brain cells.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • SlackMeyer

      Ah, yes... Typical Liberal/Progressive response when you point out their obvious idiocy: INSULT! CALL THEM DUMB!

      August 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today

      No. lol. we can speak just fine. you're the insult to human intelligence. And Cornol this has little to do with bugs.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  10. AverageJoe76

    And pastor; what of all the hetero_xuals that molest? They're plenty of those. How idiotic for this man to be old enough to remember the Civil Rights Era clearly, and support oppressing the rights of gay people.

    August 1, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  11. BC

    Please allow yourself an opportunity to get a real Christian prospective. This group of pastors do not rerpresent my interests ! See below for a real understanding!

    http://www.carlylestewart.com/2012/06/what-christians-should-understand-about-president-obamas-recent-statement-on-marriage-equality/

    August 1, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • ME II

      Wouldn't a "real Christian' sell all their possessions and follow in Christ's footsteps like he suggested? You appear to have a computer, or at least access to one, therefore I guess you are not a "real Christian".

      see 'No True Scotsman' fallacy

      August 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • cornol spearman

      I agree I tell my 87 year old mother to walk out the church if her pastor teach hate and these pastors are small minded haters

      August 1, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • BC

      Take an opportunity and read the article...you have mistated my position in this...As I do not side with this group!

      August 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • ME II

      @BC,
      If your last comment was directed at me, then I would say that regardless of your message, identifying it as 'real Christianity' falls under the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  12. Wayfaring Stranger

    6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the se xually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars —they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    They are in line with the Word, all other trash on this blog is human opinion and does not matter!

    August 1, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Then you're the biggest piece of trash that I've read all day. Go f*uck yourself, moron!

      August 1, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today

      Lol. Revelation no less. lol. And whoever wrote it (John, or someone else, but who cares) was more luny than Paul. Although I would have like to have had some of the same weed he was smoking to make him write such a thing. But still more of stuff written and translated by men. Sorry. Try again.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • WASP

      @way: here is what i have to say about the whole "the meek shall inhereit the world" thing.............they can have it once i'm done with it; otherwise keep you meek self out of my secular politics.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      Then God said, "FEEE, FIII, FOOO, FUUM, I smell the BS of Wayfaring Stranger".

      Your God needs an update on morals. How can modern mortals surpass a God on morality? Easy. We're not surpassing God, we've surpassed the men that wrote about what they perceive as God. Just ask yourself why you're not a Muslim, and you'll see why people aren't Christian.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Mike007

      I totally agree with you.. God's word is clear. Moreover, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever so his word is never out dated. We live in a world were people play by their own rules inspite what has been written and given by God. God does not evolve mans opinion does, as well as his mind but sometimes to his own detriment. People have a right to be liars, gays, fornicators,adulterours, gossips, biggets or whatever because God has given us free will. But we must be clear His word will be the standard by which we shall be judged..No

      August 1, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • TR6

      @Mike007:” God's word is clear. Moreover, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever so his word is never out dated.”

      Then why is the god of the old testament so much different from the one in the new testament. For that matter why did he need a new testament if “his word is never out dated”?

      August 1, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
  13. Deuce OnTreys

    Mr. Soetoro has yet to dance with the ones "What Brung Him"...
    Kinda shows his "True Color"... Don't It ??

    August 1, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      And you axed me if it was my berfday?

      August 1, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  14. save the world and slap some sense into a christard today

    "At the press conference, Owens said that Obama’s support of same-s*ex marriage tantamount to supporting child molestation."

    As we have seen in the past, when someone from clergy makes this kind of association, there is something close to home that winds up coming out about them later. Eddie Long most recently comes to mind. Unless of course you are extremely uneducated, but I doubt that here. More likely a financial opportunity made this id*iotic campaign irresistible to the organizers that have this horribly skewed view of gays. We will be following the money trail on this one.

    August 1, 2012 at 11:43 am |
  15. Ed Yanni

    Blacks didn't mind that gays marched with them and supported them during the 60's civil rights efforts. I guess we thought we were fighting for everyone's civil rights. Now that Blacks have theirs, it's screw the others.
    As far as protecting the family, where have these pastors been over the past 5 decades. All they have to show is baby-daddies and baby-mommas – not exactly the traditional family.

    August 1, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  16. Purpleish

    These brave black leaders are not "attacking" Obama – as the author uncivilly spins it. However, America's family core; mom, dad, kids, 'has' been under attack by the secular humanist-progressives who seethe with hate for decent law abiding citizens who cherish the best of our traditional values.

    August 1, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • BRC

      @Purpleish,
      How, in any way, does allowing gay couples the same access to marriage reduce or diminish the existing family structure? Are fewer straight people going to get married because gay people can? Are they going to have fewer children?

      August 1, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      "...decent law abiding citizens who cherish the best of our traditional values."

      So, anyone that doesn't agree with you are not decent, law abiding citizens? I mean, that's what you stated, right? Can't you see the ridiculousness of that way of thinking?

      August 1, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • OB83

      They are not brave, they are blind. How can you protect a family through one issue alone. When you let this gay issue out weigh the economic or health issues of famiies. You have effectively made yourself a hypocrite. Wether my neighbors are gay or not doesn't effect wether I can put food on the table or take my children to the doctors.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Huebert

      "secular humanist-progressives who seethe with hate for decent law abiding citizens who cherish the best of our traditional values." Persecution complex? No one is attacking your family we are just trying to extend the right of marriage to others.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Hey Voice of Reason, quit using my name. I'm the original Voice of Reason.

      This must really worry Liberals. Obama is self destructing with his pandering.

      These black pastors know The Truth. They should continue to preach The Truth.

      God Bless Everyone

      August 1, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Dyslexic Dog

      Purpleish: what % of black children are being brought up by single mothers? There is no african american family unit in this country today. How can gay marriage have anything to do with it? What a crock!

      August 1, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • cornol spearman

      Who to say what's one value my not be another value. Surely not mine these so call pastors might as well ride with Sarah palin and the kkk. Hate mongers come in my colors bit they all have one thing in common small minded

      August 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Voice of Reason
      "Hey Voice of Reason, quit using my name. I'm the original Voice of Reason.

      This must really worry Liberals. Obama is self destructing with his pandering.

      These black pastors know The Truth. They should continue to preach The Truth.

      God Bless Everyone"

      Nice try there a**hole. Your last sentence proves you are the liar. F*uck off and die, moron!

      August 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Mike007

      I believe those Black Leaders are trying to speak truth to power. I don't fully agree with their approach but I do understand their conviction. When you are striving and trying to live for God and carry out his word in your life it can be difficult in this world. So I do understand. I think that the President should had taken another stance but as a Christian we must never forget that God hates every sin but he loves the sinner. He gave of Jesus to die for our sins that we might have a chance at eternal life and all we have to do is believe on his name and we can be saved. But he also gave every man and woman free will to make a clear choice and then live with the consequences of our actions.

      August 1, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      @Mike007 – so is God bi-polar?!? Who creates a universe, then floods it with what the stuff he hates the most; SIN. You said, 'God hates every sin but he loves the sinner'. That is some real confusing stuff there. Honestly, open your mind up. Ask questions. Stop being complacent with the knowledge you have.

      August 1, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • TR6

      @Mike007:” But he also gave every man and woman free will to make a clear choice and then live with the consequences of our actions.”

      So if god does not interfere with man’s free will then prayer is useless and god’s plan is impotent

      August 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  17. OB83

    I am Black, so what i say dont call it construe it as racist. Other blacks need to stop whining about Obama taking us for granted. He is the president of all those in the US, not just blacks. I find it funny how owens says Obama is ignoring blacka yet is quick to point out that he's galf white. Wether gays get married or not has nothing to do with our economic condition. I am neither for or against gay marriage. I simply believe that it is between them and God and not for me to decide. So if you want to vote for Romney then vote for him. Just dont complain when the economic issues of african americans and all poor or middle class families suffer when you elect the next white president. Yet owens says they're trying to protect familys. Oh my what hypocrisy!!

    August 1, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • Purpleish

      ob83, I am a multi-ethnic American, "the lighter colored brother" who has experienced little respect from my "darker colored brother". Now that, that's out of the way: Please consider the facts: Obama claimed to be from Kenya on TWO of his publishing house promotional flyers; he obtained a "Massachusetts" social security card while a resident in Hawaii; he spent 20 years in the front pew being indoctrinated by the admittedly Marxist Rev. Michael Wright; he was mentored by home land terrorist bomber Bill Ayers; no one to this day has ever seen his college grades, or any of his thesis writings; etc... How in good conscience can people of color condone this impostor? Herman Cain, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, (to name a few) would eat Obama's lunch in a debate. So get off the "I vote color" bandwagon and do something for the generations of kids who will be burdened for life by Obama's socialist/Alyinsky-ite pathology. He won't be happy until American crashes like Greece.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • OB83

      Obviously you missed my poinr. I only use the white president phrase because black people cry that he should do more for them because hes black. Which is a false assumption because he is the president of the whole country not just us. Ive never voted color. I did not vote for blackwell in ohio. I vote for whom evers views are closest to mine, and the racist stance taken by the gop since he was elected is one that I will not come in line with. As far as where the presisent is from, I'll leave that to the supreme court because I wasnt there.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • OB83

      Its also funny that you should use the same attack lines from 2008 that didnt work. I'll give you another attack line thet used, he's the anti-christ preaching peace yet bringing war. Now repubs say hes to weak to take a stand against other countries.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • WASP

      @purp: let's try thinking about why greece economics failed shall we? could it have been due to their country buying more than they could pay for due to low taxation? nah that couldn't be it.
      could it have been the Years of unrestrained spending, cheap lending and failure to implement financial reforms left Greece badly exposed when the global economic downturn struck. nah that couldn't have been it either.
      i know it's because they allowed equal rights to their people and it made GOD angry. that has to be it and i can prove it with my little buybull. ROFLMFAO seriously folks.
      a quick lesson in economics, if republicans keep taxation at a record low and we continue to borrow more than we can afford to pay back then yes we will watch as our once powerful nation is left in economic ruin. the governments income is americans paying taxes, low taxes means low income for the government, thus our bills pile up. do the math, ever dodged or been unableto pay a bill what happens?

      August 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • OB83

      @wasp. Well said sir, well said.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • CaRedinaSeaofBlue

      "The racist stance taken by the GOP" ?? So if you criticize Obama's horrible policies, pandering, hypocrisy, etc, you are a racist. Very typical of the left. And what do you call the slandering at every opportunity of Bush and Romney (and any other GOP candidate) by the Democrats? I call it hypocrisy! By the way, Obama could never have won in 08 without all the white racist's vote. Those racist's wont be fooled again by the left media!

      August 1, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  18. Roberto R

    Scott Gwen, what are you smoking? This has been the worse president ever!

    August 1, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • BRC

      Prove it.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • rAmen

      worst how?

      August 1, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • AverageJoe76

      He's definitely the tannest president ever. But if your beef is his policies...... how does he trump ol' Gee Dubbya Bush in being the worst?

      August 1, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • cornol spearman

      Can you say George W. Bush

      August 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  19. LadyDiva

    Funny he should mention little boys got molested but where did a lot of them get molested? In church or by someone from there church!

    August 1, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Jesus Christ

      Good point LadyDiva, most reported molestations (worldwide) have been from churches. How sad. Perverts are drawn to christianity because they think I will change them and make them better.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      No formal comparative study has ever broken down child seexual abuse by denomination, and only the Catholic Church has released detailed data about its own. But based on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that seexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue.

      But never let ignorance keep you from your bigotry.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:59 am |
  20. scott gwen

    Don't through the baby out with the bathwater. Pres. Obama was expressing his personal belief, which has nothing to do with my belief. He has been a good president and done many good things in less that four years, check out the government website. His record speaks for the President. Voting for Romney is voting against yourself and your needs. Do these Pastors see and understand that the Republicans are trying at this time, to take away your voting rights. Voting for Romney is voting against your help for health, medicare, social security, medicaid, education. They need to read the Republican Ryan plan that's going to affect Americans if a Republican president gets in office.

    August 1, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • OB83

      I ask myself if the people voting for Romney have ever wondered where this nation would be if Romney and the gop hadn't blocked EVERYTHING the president has tried to do. Even when he's compromised to the point that the bills where more favorable to republicans than democrats.

      August 1, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Marisa

      Mr. Gwen and OB83,
      What are you smoking? The unemployment rate in the black community is horrific. We have more people on food stamps than ever before and unfortunately, that is reflected disproportionately in the black community. Cities are suffering and that is where a majority of the lower SES live. This problem did not happen overnight, but President Obama has made it worse! And OB83, Obama had a democratic house and senate for the first 2 years of his Presidency. He passed everything he wanted to and what he didn't put through congress he had one of his Czars get through for him.
      Please educate yourselves, before you vote in this next election. You two are drinking the cool aid and your brains have been hijacked! Romney might not be the best answer (quite frankly, no politician or party is) but this guy in the white house is an unmitigated disaster!!!!!!

      August 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • OB83

      And you believe that Romney gives a damn about the black community. He just used the NAACP to strengthen his stance with his base. It wasn't about black problems it was about how he looked. You were right he did have two years of a dem congress, and I bet he thought hed get two more. His mistake, but the fact still remains that in the last two year repubs have blocked his bills that directly relate to taxation, the budget and unemployment. Also drinking the cool aid is a racist term based on the assumption that all blacks like cool aid

      August 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • WASP

      @marisa: please whatever ob83 and mr.gwen are smoking you need to get you some. lol seriously.
      pres.obama had a majority house and senate that was ruled by the republicans, democrats had the minority of both not until the 2010 election of the senate did they get the majority and even then it didn't help him any because the republicans kept threatening to philabuster anything they didn't like. even now i was watching the republicans blocking legislation to extend bush cuts to everyone except the upper class. the president has no control over legislation passed in the house and senate until it reaches his desk to be signed into law, so your whole czar comment is just hot air. please educate YOURSELF before voting this year, we don't need another bush wanna be in office messing things up and sending america to war..........again.

      August 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
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