My Take: Sikh temple shooting is act of terrorism
August 6th, 2012
11:20 AM ET

My Take: Sikh temple shooting is act of terrorism

Editor's note: Arsalan Iftikhar is an international human rights lawyer, founder of TheMuslimGuy.com and author of the book "Islamic Pacifism: Global Muslims in the Post-Osama Era."

By Arsalan Iftikhar, Special to CNN

(CNN)–Imagine that you woke up on a beautiful Sunday morning to hear the news of a brown, bearded, gun-wielding madman who stormed into a Wisconsin church full of blond-haired parishioners and killed six innocent people.

If that scenario did occur, would most Americans have any problem calling that an act of "terrorism"?

Of course not.

Now imagine that the shooter was a white man and the innocent victims were bearded brown men and head-covered women. Suddenly, the discussion of "terrorism" gets a lot more complicated.

Of course, this is exactly what happened in a Milwaukee suburb on Sunday, when six people and the alleged gunman were killed at a Sikh temple.

One of the congregation's members told a local news station, "Nobody's angry here. We're just confused. Was this a random act? Was this directed at us because of the way we look?"

Sadly, it's probably going to be the latter.

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Oak Creek, Wisconsin, Police Chief John Edwards said at a news conference that the case is being treated as domestic terrorism, and the FBI is taking over.

But it's important for our greater American society to also condemn acts of terrorism when the perpetrator happens to be a white guy.

If not, we send millions of people of color around America the message that the term "terrorism" has been co-opted, that it shall apply only when brown bearded men are the shooters and not when they are the tragic victims.

Unless we acknowledge this attack on the Sikh temple as an act of terrorism, we will essentially be relegating brown-skinned Americans to second-class citizenry by perpetuating the myth that "terrorism" is only a Muslim, Arab or South Asian phenomenon and beyond the pale for any white person to commit.

To give another recent example, imagine that a brown Arab Muslim male tried to assassinate a member of Congress by shooting her in the head, killing six innocent people and wounding 13 others outside a grocery store during this assassination attempt.

Would we have any trouble calling this scenario above an act of terrorism? Nope.

Since authorities say the gunman was a white dude named Jared Lee Loughner, he was just a kooky loner whose mental health must have been the triggering factor. But if his name were Ali Akbar Nahasapeemapetilon, nobody in America would care a bit about his mental health issues.

Since observant Sikh men keep a turban (known as dastaar or pagri) and unshorn hair, which often manifests itself into a long beard, many Americans after September 11 wrongfully conflated Sikh Americans with Muslim Americans because of this "turban-and-beard" look. To highlight the sheer tragic irony and stupid human ignorance of bias-motivated hate crimes within America, the first actual tragic victim of a post-9/11 "hate crime" murder in the United States was neither a Muslim nor an Arab.

Four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a 49-year-old Indian Sikh-American businessman, was brutally shot several times and killed instantly by Frank Roque in a Mesa, Arizona, gas station. According to BBC World News, the county attorney stated that Sodhi was killed for no other apparent reason than that he was dark-skinned and wore a turban.

Just like America has been on high alert for brown-skinned terrorism since September 11, millions of Americans of Arab, Muslim, Sikh and South Asian descent have equally been on high alert about reprisal attacks against brown-skinned Americans that happened immediately after September 11.

On the same day as the Sodhi murder, September 15, 2001, Adel Karas, a 48-year-old Egyptian Orthodox Coptic Christian and father of three, was viciously murdered outside his suburban Los Angeles import shop. In Texas, both the FBI and local police investigated the murder of Waqar Hasan, a Pakistani store owner who was found shot to death outside his grocery store in suburban Dallas.

One day after 9/11, in the early morning hours of September 12, at least six bullets shattered several windows of the Islamic Center of Irving in suburban Dallas. Similarly, on September 12, 2001, 29-year-old Eric Richley of Middleburg Heights, Ohio, decided to drive his white Ford Mustang into the front glass doors of the Grand Mosque at the Islamic Center of Greater Cleveland. Places of worship including Muslim mosques, Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras became instant targets for patriotic terrorists seeking to lash out at innocent Americans like the Sikh victims of the terrorist attack in Wisconsin.

Belonging to a five-century-old monotheistic tradition, professor Stephen Prothero writes,

Sikhism emerged out of a culture steeped in both Hinduism and Islam, and early Sikhs attempted to reconcile the two, in part by focusing on heartfelt devotion to God rather than rites and doctrines. "There is no Hindu and no Muslim, so whose path shall I follow?" asked (Sikh founder) Guru Nanak. "I shall follow the path of God." Like Muslims, Sikhs are strict monotheists who emphasize divine sovereignty. They reject the view that God incarnates in human form, believing instead in a formless God that can be known through singing and meditation.

According to professor Gurinder Singh Mann, the "Sikhs lay emphasis on a life of hard work, social commitment, and ethical living. A complex set of doctrinal, historical and sociological reasons made them a very political people and they have kept up that heritage in both the Punjab, the land of their origin, and wherever they have migrated to in the past century."

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Most Americans do not know that the first Sikh American member of Congress was Dalip Singh Saund, who represented California's 29th congressional district in 1957. Since Sikhs have served America as doctors, lawyers and teachers for more than a century, any attack on their house of worship should be considered an attack on all houses of worship.

So, if the mass murder at the Sikh temple is not referred to as an act of "terrorism" by virtually every member of our American media and sociopolitical elite, the only message that this will send to millions of people of color across America is that the term "terrorism" has been co-opted and shall apply only when brown bearded men are the shooters, not when they are the tragic victims.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Arsalan Iftikhar.

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soundoff (849 Responses)
  1. Danno

    Open400 – Really? That's what this is about? We live in Freedom, and with Freedom comes responsibility, and yet no one – including yourself, has said one word about responsibility! You just want someone or something to protect you. You want someone "to do something"... How about this – we say that the person who commited this terrible act is responsible for his actions? Better yet, why don't we NOT name the gunman and just shovel some dirt on him and forget him? I was hoping maybe CNN would get this right and focus on the victims, not waste time with the killer...no such luck. S
    o now there's another killer's name to go down in history and alot of other dead people who will be forgotten. THAT is what the problem is.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  2. sumguy

    Looks more like a hate crime then terrorism.
    Terrorism usually has a motive and a group behind it that goes beyond the mere act of violence.
    Who really cares what we call it anyway?
    It's a evil act by a evil person.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Jose

      @Just call me Lucifer: Lovely. Allow everyone to carry guns in planes. Do you not see a problem with that plan?

      August 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
  3. bad journalism

    I really should not watch CNN lie on the air at lunch. Why would that woman with that thing on her face call a Nazi group far right? Isn't it closer to fascism what the democrats are currently doing? Fascism is really a combination of both very liberal view and very conservative view. (Authoritarian Democracy – kinda like we have now when they choose to enforce laws based on what they tink is the will of the peolple) Don't let your govenment divide you into rich/poor, black/brow/white so that you do not pay attention to the slight of hand. There is only one reason to take guns from citizens and that is to more fully rule over them.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  4. Daniel in Denver

    Beauty Apu reference, but I believe he was Hundu and not Sikh.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  5. sharat sharma

    This is not an isolated incident. No worries...we are going to see most like this in coming times....
    This is not terrorism but "iLL-Effects" of Multiculturalism.....
    Are there any similarities between Fort Hood and Wisconsin....think through...
    Nidal Hassan killed White Americans....not some syrians/Afghans/Pakis....
    Michael Page killed Sikhs..mistaking them for Muslims....not some White Americans...
    The writing is on the wall.....
    Multiculturalism is a big failure and this incident proves it.....

    August 6, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Saud

      So explain the greater than 60% divorce rates of whites. Or that 85% of murders on whites are carried out by other white people?

      August 6, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Jose

      It has nothing to do with multiculturalism, but the imperialistic foreign policy of the United States. There are countries that are highly multi-cultural and multi-racial that don't have these issues (e.g. Brazil).

      August 6, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
  6. Cowichan

    This horrible act had little to do with "terrorism" - but it had a lot to do with sheer "ignorance." The shooter was an uneducated and unaware human being. It appears that he mistakenly associated the Sikhs - with their turbans and beards - with Muslims and the Taliban. With his alledged white supremist leanings, he took out his anger and hatred with this dastardly act. Some readers may recall that immediately after 9/11, a bearded and turbaned Sikh worker at a gas station in Arizona was shot and killed in a similar act of hatred. The shooter was caught, charged with first degree murder, tried and executed.

    All Americans are not students of religions, and they cannot be expected to know everything about every faith practiced in this country. But most American watch television and they have seen pictures of Bin Laden, members of the Taliban and various Muslims who wear beards and turbans. On seeing a Sikh with a beard and turban the average American probably does not know what the difference is.

    But all Sikhs do not wear turbans and beards. These are the traditionalists. I do not know what the percentages are but you will find many Sikh men who are clean shaven just like anyone else on the street, and they practice their religion just like any other Sikh.

    So why do some Sikh men wear turbans and beards? The Sikh religion was formed by ten Gurus. Th tenth Guru asked Sikh men to wear turbans and beards (along with a few other things), presumably so they would look different and distinguish themselves from Hindus and Muslims. This was nearly 500 years ago. The tradition has continued since then. As I understand it, there is nothing in the Sikh scriptures that Sikh men must wear turbans and grow beards.

    In 2004, France banned religious symbols (e.g., turbans, etc.) in its schools and the Sikhs there have been fighting a long battle over it. But as stated above, a turban and a beard is not rquired by the Sikh scriptures. It is only a tradition. Perhaps the Sikh men living in this country who practice this tradition should discuss this issue and determine its relevance in these times.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Saud

      Why do people think that whenever a sikh is attack that it was because people thought it was muslim? If he's a white supremacist, then he doesn't like any ethnicity or religion (minus white, of course). This includes Muslims, Sikhs, Black, Hispanic, etc.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • jasjit

      "Bani Guru, Guru hai Bani"

      Translated from scripture, the scripture is known as the Guru Granth Sahib. The Guru Granth Sahib is a universal scripture aimed at uniting mankind.

      The above scripture translates to the word of the guru, is just as important as the written word in the scripture. The tenth Guru's call to turbans and beards is therefore equally treated as if it had been written in scripture. It is not a tradition by definition, and rather a requirement.

      The requirement requires great dedication. Therefore not all Sikhs are baptized, turban wearing individuals. A Sikh is one who believes in the 10 Gurus and One God. He believes in the baptizing ceremony, and has to be working towards achieving that goal at all times.

      August 6, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Cowichan

      The call to wear turbans and beards was made about 500 years ago to differentiate the Sikhs from the Hindus and Muslims (some Muslim kings were persecuting them at that time). Ironically, in the U.S, they are now being mistaken for Muslims by some ignorant people. Are the Sikhs who wear turbans and beards holier than those Sikhs who do not? Some major religions do make changes and adapt with the times. Is the call from 500 hundred years ago still relevant in this day and age, and especially in this culture? The turbaned and bearded Sikhs may be safer in this culture if they modify their attire.

      August 6, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
  7. George Washington

    Blow it out your ear..... you are trying to equate this lunatic with the 9/11 terrorists?
    It seems to be a terrible crime of hate and ignorance, not a terroristic endeavor.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  8. ljt604

    the author is suggesting that this "act of violence" is not being classified as terrorism – ever since the first news release yesterday, this HAS been classified as an act of terrorism – and the news conference this morning from the FBI agent reiterated that – no one is saying the just because it was a white shooter in a brown-skinned person's building that it was not terrorism.
    Everyone has their own opinion, but first speak about the facts, then form an opinion

    August 6, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Saud

      I thought it had too. First time in a while that an attack in our country against a indian subcontinent people was classified as one though, as far as I can remember.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  9. SconnieGuz

    Most white people I know call McVeigh, Loughner, Holmes and now this milwaukee guy terrorists. That doesn't matter though. To the rest of you this gives you all a chance to be as racist as you want against white people and it's not called racism. F U ALL. Do you see hordes of white people moving to Africa? India? the middle east? Central or South America? NO....we stay and we make our communities better. Meanwhile, people from those places are flooding into America using up resources and turning our country into a ghetto. Haven't you noticed the more "multicultural" we get, the worse it's getting? YOU COULD ALWAYS STAY OUT OF WHITE COUNTRIES SINCE WE STAY OUT OF YOURS.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Huebert

      What has your panties all in a bunch? Did someone throw a red sock in with your white hood?

      August 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Just a tad bit racist there!!! You might want to re-think what you just said...white man stole this land from the Natives...so if you don't like it, you too are free to leave!

      August 6, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • bill

      FACT we dont stay out of there countries
      FACT immigrants NOT WHITES built this country
      FACT they dont come here and make them worse, you just get lazy and cant compete at your own game
      FACT your just white loser angry that some foreigner took your job and does it better than you
      FACT I am LMAO

      August 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • George Washington

      Could you please move to a "white" country, the USA isn't one.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Alex

      What you said is true. If your great, great grand father did not force his way to this country, then you could not say what you said. Sad, sad, you must learn history before you speak.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • AB

      Good Observation....how old and how much educated are you, again ?
      Do you remember history at all ?...or would you like me to help you with that?
      bottomline – we are all born humans, and we should trying living as one!

      August 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Saud

      And you can always stay out of Native American countries and stop using up all of the resources since they they stayed out of yours. And are you high? Americans are staying out of other countries? What do you call this imperialism that we've embarked on? We have the most military bases in the most countries of any nation. idiot.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • historylesson

      Wow, never made it to social studies class, eh? Did you conveniently forget about how whites showed up on this very soil in boats and put the natives on reservations? Or how the British took over half of Africa and Asia? Your dumb ignorant ass is descended from whites who took over other lands.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • sharat sharma

      Totally Agree !!

      August 6, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • V

      DAMNNN SCONNIEGUZ......you filthy bigot, you just got SERVED. You dumb ignorant fool, know your history before you speak. Seriously! Thanksgiving is celebrated by your people when it was about killing and stealing. Shi*, we just like Thanksgiving because of the turkey and stuffing, haha. Dont ever ever speak again because seriously, we are all now dumber because of you.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • SconnieGuz

      You people just can't handle the truth. Go ahead with your white people bashing and ignorance.....just so you know, plenty of white people are ready to fight and take this country back since it was built BY FAR more with the blood, sweat and tears of white people. Enjoy your free ride brown and black people. Don't expect white people to support you much longer. Take white tax dollars out of the brown and black communities and see how quickly they become Somalia.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • sanders72

      Last I checked, the US DOESNT stay out of other countries – rather than actually contributing to those other countries (through medical, financial, and other rewarding careers as those that come here), the US infiltrates these other countries with its soldiers and screws up an economy that is already in bad shape. As for the "ghettos", the neighborhoods that consist of minorities, at least those from the Asian Pacific/Middle East, have a higher than average property value. These minorities tend to make a better living with the same "resources" the rest of America has, but seem to be more successful despite starting with nothing and dealing with ignorance. They are the ones paying higher taxes than the average "American" despite not feeling like a true citizen. So before you spit hate and ignorance, check your facts. If you want to continue with your thought process, maybe its time for those folks that have been here for centuries and still havent made it to the top 1% to go back to their original countries. Clearly they aren't using these opportunistic resources to their full potential.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • historylesson

      /Do you see hordes of white people moving to Africa? India? the middle east? Central or South America?

      You so fundamentally misunderstand the whole point of the United States of America. It's sad that people with your viewpoint live here because you don't deserve it.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • SconnieGuz

      How much longer are you all going to hold all white people responsible for what happened to the native americans hundreds of years ago? I didn't forget my history. I do get to hang out with my Native American friends that do VERY well working in their casinos here in Wisconsin. Since they have buried the hatchet, maybe it's time for the rest of you brown and black people to do the same.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • TakebackAmerica

      SconnieGuz...you are spot on...

      All these people who are writing against you is only a single Mexican illegal Immigrant...

      August 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • prieteni4viata

      Hey racist, this comment is totally false: "Do you see hordes of white people moving to Africa? India? the middle east? Central or South America?" YES. I lived in Uganda, Kenya, and India and there are lots and lots of white people living there (including myself). They live in a big beautiful homes and work the same jobs as they would have back home, but because the economic opportunities were greater in developing countries during the recession, white people moved over in droves.

      And umm hello colonization? Why do so many South Americans look like Europeans? Because white people MOVED there. Your comment is baseless and proves how ignorant you are about the world.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sconnie, where'd you get the notion that this is a "white country"? Were you born stupid, or do you have to work at it?

      August 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You claim you haven't forgotten history. You must never have studied any in the first place. Much of the wealth of this nation was made on the backs of slaves. The work of underpaid Chinese immigrants helped build the Transcontinental Railroad.

      You are a bona fide idiot.

      August 6, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • sanders72

      If they've buried their hatchet, maybe it's time for you to bury yours. It's been awhile since "brown and black people" have been here. Last I checked, black people were brought against their will ages ago too. So let's pretend that didn't happen (since it hasnt impacted them in any way really) so in reality, they've always been here for quite some time too.

      August 6, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • historylesson

      I take back every rational and reasonable thing I've said in this thread. I'm impressed with the way you think, SconnieGuz. If all it takes is a little time for a people to "get over" their culture being decimated, let's just have the "browns and blacks" keep coming. Sooner or later, you'll get over it and find a nice cushy gig doing VERY well at a casino somewhere. Hell, maybe a colored man will even choose to be your friend!

      You know who you offend more than anyone else? Your fellow white people.

      August 6, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • SillyAss

      It's guys like this that, when I'm outside the United States, makes me tell people I'm Canadian.

      We really have got to start thinking about putting birth control in the water supply.

      August 6, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Moe

      You better get used to it, before you know, most of this country will be different minority groups and it won't be nice and white as I'm sure you'd prefer.

      For your information the average Asian living in the US is significantly more educated and wealthy when compared to the average white person.
      Also, the distribution of wealth is inequitable in the US across racial, geographic, and socio-economic groups. There are a number of factors that contribute to why certain groups or "coloreds" as you might call them, "make things worse".
      Have you noticed the millions upon millions of white people in the US who live in trailers and are on welfare. You are blind if you think immigrants are making this country worse. It's ignorance like the kind you've displayed that makes this country worse. Do yourself a favor and get an education. Stop blaming minorities for being the loser that you probably are.

      August 7, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
  10. dadguy

    so when the shooter is a white guy it's terrorism but when Fort Hood gets shot to pieces it's workplace violence?? BS

    August 6, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • laurie

      the ft hood shooting is considered terrorism and used as justification by our govt for drone strikes in yemen

      August 6, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Saud

      You don't read the news much, do you?

      August 6, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  11. sharat sharma

    Multiculturism. Period

    August 6, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • steve in texas

      I always find people that end sentences with 'period' tend to be kinda dimwitted.

      August 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  12. Dave Armstrong

    If what Nidal Hassan did cannot be considered a terrorist attack, I don't see how this can be. However.com, what Hassan did was most definitely a terrorist attack, much the same way this should be considered as one. Funny how the author of this opinion piece failed to bring up whether, or not, that Hassan's act was such an act.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  13. jan

    We have "PALLING AROUND WITH TERRORISTs", "AIDING THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD", and Sarah Palins CALL TO ARMS (she of course denied that she did that, and went into hiding for awhile) for this. GABBY GIFFORDS WAS SHOT AS A RESULT!...while other attempts to act on the Republicans lunacy have failed – THANK GOD!!! AND NOW THIS!!!!! You can't throw "RED MEAT" to your base and think no one within that base feels A CALL TO DUTY, HONOR, SERVICE (no matter how crazy that might sound). AND SHAME ON YOU FOR DISMISSING THAT CONCERN JUST TO WIN YOUR BASE. While I am not of the Sihk Community, I am of another Community or Ethnic Group who knows all to well what it feel like to be the victims of "THE TOSSING OF RED MEAT." Let me tell you now...ALL!! ALL!! ALL!! Respect for the tossers is FOREVER LOST...if there was ever any Respect in the first place.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  14. compassmd

    Terrorism is defined as the act of causing terror to a population. It may be motivated by religion or politics, but it does not necessarily have to be, either. As Alfred so well put it in The Dark Knight, some people just want to watch the world burn. This was terrorism, because it caused terror and panic to a population.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • laurie

      your definition renders the word terrorism meaningless. lots of things scare people. hate crimes are not terrorism, necessarily. i think to call this terrorism is utterly stupid. even as i think the crime is utterly horrific. (unless we get info that this man intended some kind of political outcome, including getting sikhs to leave the USA, to call this terrorism renders the word meaningless. )

      August 6, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  15. laurie

    what does terrorism mean? i thought it was violent action against civilians intended to effect political change. merely targeting people because they belong to a group is not terrorism. that is a hate crime. words should mean something.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • casey

      While I agree with you, I do think that terrorism is too narrowly defined. Suicide bombers aren't necessarily trying to create political change. They create fear. So then, what is the difference between a hate crime and what we call terrorism. Both create fear in a given community of people. I think hate crime is just a way to justify more punishment because, as a society, we find hatred morally repugnant.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Cantab

      For those unsure on how to differentiate between a terrorist and a freedom fighter

      A terrorist is a person who kills innocents while pursuing a political aim - who is not liked by our government.

      A Freedom fighter is a person who kills innocents while pursing a political aim - who is liked by our government.

      quite simple, really

      August 6, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
  16. Axes

    And...they all look alike to you???

    August 6, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  17. Bobby

    What a long stupid rant. MOST US citizens would agree it is terror realted, but the folks are just as dead whether it is called terror or not. It a horrible unnecessary event, no different than the rest of them where innocent folks are gunned down. All human life is precious, not just some.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Andrew

      Then you don't care about the FBI calling ELF "ecoterrorists" instead of protesters or just criminals? Thanks for oversimplifying, mr. plainspeak.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • casey

      uh.. I don't think he was saying that at all.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  18. Just call me Lucifer

    Darwinism in action.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  19. Joey Merlino

    There is no "we" unfortunately. This has always been a country of mistrusting, violent strangers.

    August 6, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  20. open400

    What is this – th the second shooting spree in three weeks? Is this going to be a bi-weekly event now? They say one of the biggest problems in dealing with an addict is denia; denial ,the addict has a problem. At what point do we get beyond denial,excuses, intellectual discussions and realize our gun laws and gun distribution system does not work? I

    August 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Just call me Lucifer

      /If everyone on the 9/11 planes had guns there would have been no crashes, just a bunch of dead idiot zealots.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • casey

      Ill just call you an idiot.

      August 6, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
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