August 11th, 2012
09:20 AM ET
Ryan as VP pick continues election year focus on Catholicism
By Dan Gilgoff and Dan Merica
Washington (CNN) – Mitt Romney’s selection of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as his vice presidential running mate promises to cast a spotlight on American Catholicism in an election year when the tradition has already been a major focus.
Ryan, a Catholic who chairs the House Budget Committee, is better known for his outspoken fiscal conservatism than for leading on conservative Catholic social causes like opposing abortion and gay marriage.
But Romney called attention to Ryan's religion Saturday in introducing him as his running mate: "A faithful Catholic, Paul believes in the worth and dignity of every human life," Romney said.
And socially conservative groups were quick to praise Ryan's selection, with the president of National Right to Life saying that "Ryan has a deep, abiding respect for all human life, including unborn children and their mothers, the disabled and the elderly."
Ryan’s advocacy for cutting taxes and trimming the deficit — he is the architect of the GOP’s proposed federal budget — married with his willingness to talk about fiscal belt-tightening in moral terms and his low-key social conservatism speak to a political moment in which the economic concerns of the Tea Party and the social focus of the Christian right have merged into a relatively cohesive anti-Obama movement.
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Ryan’s presence on the ticket also could increase Romney’s appeal among the millions of middle-of-the-road Catholic voters who populate key swing states, like Ohio and Pennsylvania. Catholics are considered the quintessential swing vote, and no presidential candidate has won the White House without winning Catholics since at least the early 1990s.
With Romney, a Mormon, selecting a Catholic, Obama is the only Protestant in the 2012 presidential race (Vice President Joe Biden is also Catholic).
"As a conservative Catholic, Ryan is likely to appeal to a number of Catholics in the Midwest,” said John Green, a professor of religion and politics at the University of Akron in Ohio. “Catholics who are concerned about religious liberty, he is certainly a positive there."
The Catholic Church has helped frame this year’s election by strenuously opposing a rule in President Obama’s health care law that requires insurance companies to provide free contraception coverage to nearly all American employees, including those at Catholic colleges and hospitals. The Democrats have said that Romney’s and the GOP’s support for the Church’s position constitutes a “war on women,” while Romney and his party say Obama’s rule represents a “war on religion.”
In an interview with CNN, former GOP hopeful Newt Gingrich, who is Catholic, said that Ryan would shore up support in a Catholic community that feels it is “under siege.”
Romney released an ad Thursday repeating the war on religion charge. Next week, Sandra Fluke — a Georgetown University law student who was thrust into the national spotlight after radio show host Rush Limbaugh called her a “slut” for her role in supporting Obama’s contraception rule — will introduce the president at a stop in Denver.
Ryan’s own Catholicism became a major issue this year, with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops criticizing his proposed federal budget for what the bishops said would be its adverse impact on the poor.
The bishops cautioned against overreaching budget cuts that endanger “poor and vulnerable people.” The bishops’ message called on “Congress and the administration to protect essential help for poor families and vulnerable children and to put the poor first in budget priorities.”
This split between politically conservative and liberal Catholics has existed for decades in the Catholic Church. But with Ryan running for vice president, some experts expect this divide to be sharpened.
"What Ryan will highlight is a division within the Catholic community,” Green said. “More politically liberal Catholics are very critical of the Republican approach and the Ryan budget, but Ryan has taken them head on.”
In an April speech at Georgetown, a Catholic school, Ryan defended his budget in religious terms.
“The work I do as a Catholic holding office conforms to the social doctrine as best I can make of it,” Ryan said. “What I have to say about the social doctrine of the Church is from the viewpoint of a Catholic in politics applying my understanding of the problems of the day.”
Ryan’s $3.53 trillion budget doubles down on past proposals to overhaul Medicare and other government programs that are seen as politically sensitive. While the budget has little chance to become law, it draws a distinct contrast with Democratic views on spending.
That speech, along with other statements that put his budget into religious terms, led liberal Catholic groups to openly protest Ryan’s budget.
In particular, NETWORK, a group founded by 47 Catholic nuns that speaks out on social justice issues, went on a bus tour around the country to protest the Ryan budget.
In an interview with CNN, Sister Simone Campbell, the executive director of NETWORK, said Ryan has co-opted sacred Catholic teachings and twisted their meanings.
This line of attack will intensify in the coming months because of Ryan’s nomination, says Deal Hudson, a religion and politics expert who ran President George. W. Bush’s Catholic outreach in 2000 and 2004.
“I think the Catholic left will make this the drumbeat about Congressman Ryan,” Hudson said. “That is why it is so important for the campaign to effectively get out in front of this argument.”
According to Hudson, it is possible to defend the Ryan budget from Catholic attacks, it will just take a campaign that “realizes this is what they face."
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Paul Ryan, on indoctrinating his troops:
"I give out Atlas Shrugged as Christmas presents, and I make all my interns read it. Well... I try to make my interns read it."
Is that an actual quote? Site your source please.
Typical hit and run and gang up technique of the atheist as they bury David Barton response – 07/12/2012 takes on his critics.
Colin: as a Traditional Jew, I've little love for Christianity as such or the RCC in particular. That said, I still find that your argument is not persuasive. We may be able to get amino acids to combine, but that is still not life. You yourself said that such a thing is not a cell. Even if it were, a cell is only life in the most simplistic sense. Consiousness is something else. When do these amino acids make a cell? Notice that a scientist recreated the environment of earth. What created that environment the first time? Chance? Why did this not happen elsewhere? Maybe it did, but we don't know. It seems that you are positing a great deal on "chance", that out of a million billion possible combinations, it just so happened that chance worked things a certain way. If a human in a lab recreated the environment of the earth, where did the original idea come from? Just a thought. Good evening.
did you have speak 'bout your 'little love for christianity' in that post about amino acids and cells? really?
As a Christian, I have little love for thieving, smug, Jews. What do you think of that?
Let's all make pronouncements about billions of people, shall we. How about we start with all Africans. Wouldn't that be edifying?
Let's all make pronouncements about billions of people, shall we. How about we start with all Africans. Wouldn't that be edifying?
Isn't there a way to push all Jews into the Ocean? I don't much care for them.
People I don't much care for: Africans, Jews, Europeans, Asians, Hindus, Muslims, Midgets, Albinos, Hair-lipped, Siamese Twins, Hispanics, Russian Orthodox, Jews, Cripples, the stupid, Jews
Ryan is another Catholic that hasn't spoken out against the pedophile priest and the overall corrupt Catholic church. Romney is a Mormon, the religion that thinks they all die and become Gods on other planets. Both love money and know all the loopholes to make themselves richer off of the backs of the middle class. Is this really what The country needs?
that for ryan to speak out against pedophile priests he would have to acknowledge the ho mo se xuals that deceived their way into the priesthood to commit the unspeakable acts in the first place.
You're obviously what we used to call a "seminar caller."
That answer depends on your individual net worth. Over $5M gets a definite thumbs up. Between $1-5M is a maybe. Below $1M won't matter if the Romney/Ryan ticket wins, and in that case we can all stock up on camping gear and head for the hills for all they care.
Typical under handed atheist technique, burying David Barton response – 07/12/2012 takes on his critics.
Prayer changes things .
Been an athiest all my life. Trust me, I'm quite healthy. Guess your handle's a lie, as well as your moronic statement.
the desperate lie of the self deceived.
more people have been murdered by atheists in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries.
more people have been murdered by atheists in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries !
edweird69 will now be telling us how healthy murder is
"Truth Be Told" What a liar you are. Look at WWl and WWll. so called "Christians" were killing each other by the millions. Who helped bring Hitler to power? The Catholic church NOT Atheists.
Lets look at this statement that was made: Atheism the desperate lie of the self deceived.
That is a actually a good description for theists. Given the fact that thousands of years ago people saw god in everything they did not understand and as the years have pasted more and more is now understood - therefore, god keeps getting put into smaller and smaller boxes, it would seem that you are the liar. How can you still believe there is a god, when presented with all the evidence to the contrary. Yes, a mountain of evidence does not prove anything. But after reading many maths texts, one would suspect 1 + 1 = 2. Have fun picking the exact things I said here while ignoring the "spirit" of the message 🙂
since hitler was an atheist your argument falls flat.
"Truth be told" obviously has no knowledge of history. If he/she has any evidence, please produce it.
@truth be told is a troll. Please do not feed the trolls ladies and gentlemen.
Chairman Mao, atheist credited with over 800 million victims.
Oh RIGHT! Xtians have never killed anyone. Your book of lies is filled with nothing but senseless killings.
The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night.
You can't hide the Truth of history. Atheists given power are cold blooded murderers without pity or remorse. Truth is never trolling
"Truth Be Told" if you want the real truth look up Hitler and the Catholic church either online or at your local library. Catholics put Hitler in power. It is a historic fact. You will even see picture of bishops doing the Hiel Hitler. The Catholic church cannot deny this because of all the evidence that exists.
execution is not murder.
Truth be told – your handle is pure irony! You are a true Mowron.
Convieniently forgetting of course, monsters like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, all N. Korean and other leaders of State-sponsored Atheistic societies of the 20th and 21st Centuries; all who oppressed and slaughtered the religious of all walks of faith by the millions! You guys have as much blood on your hands as anyone, including the radical Muslims.
@ TBT, then neither is abortion.
The internet is so fascinating:
Though Hitler felt a particular urgency — and hatred — when dealing with Jews and Communists, he viewed the Catholic Church as a pernicious opponent, a deeply-entrenched threat that must be controlled and eventually uprooted from German life in order to establish his promised Thousand-Year-Reich. To help eliminate Catholic influence, he turned to Alfred Rosenberg, arch-ideologue, anti-Semite, and despiser of Christianity.
I DO LOVE DARK CHARACTERS DESTROYING THEMSELVES !!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Periodically someone posts the claims that the life of Jesus was made up based on this Egyptian god “horus”.. I looked into it and found the following information.
putting to death the nonsense comparison of Horus and Jesus
Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.
Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though. After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a substitute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.
Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)
As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary. In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is. Seb is Osiris’s father. Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph. Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.
Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.
This is accurate.
Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.
I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds. I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds. In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave. Massey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.
Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.
There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it. Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus. When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth. To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Massey and Massey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/carrier_luxor_inscription.htm
Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)
There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any document that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus. See the website referenced in Claim #5.
Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.
There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus. so this is accurate.
Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.
There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12. In fact, Massey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.” That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple. Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.
Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories. In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer. This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account. There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this. There is nothing.
Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.
According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did. Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.
Massey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers. Horus is not present in this scene. For Massey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural. In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy. Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus. Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene. They did not.
Claim #10-Both walked on water.
Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Massey does not maintain that Hours did. Massey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at night. Massey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.
As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this.
Claim #11-Both performed miracles.
This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.
Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.
The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus. It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life. There is no mention of this in any document regarding the story. Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.
Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.
These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion. Yet, I can locate none of this. No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection. There was an incident in which Horus was torn to pieces and Iris requested the crocodile god to fish him out of the water he was tossed into, which was done, but that’s it. I am at a loss to refute this because I can not find anything to support it.
Massey does compares a story about the Autumn Equinox related to Osiris, not Horus, as the symbolic crucifixion. There is no indication that Horus is involved in any way. There is no mention by Massey of any Sermon on the Mount. No mention or any actual crucifixion, no two thieves, no burial in a tomb. Massey does not maintain that anything of the sort occurred with Horus.
In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them.
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source for that was Les Jenkins, an athiest
Chad, With that post you put the kibosh on that 'horus the so porous' story.
"source for that was Les Jenkins, an athiest"
And? That makes it true?
Hint: One atheist does not trust another 😉 Speaks for itself!
No source is true if one or more atheists deem it to be untrue.
What is utterly fascinating, is that atheists would actually prefer that the lie of Horus stand unchallenged.. even knowing it's a lie..
Atheist faith is based on a lie, and embraces lies.
And it makes me want to s u c k your little c ock.
Get away from him. He's mine! All two inches of him!
I think you're missing the point of the comparison, namely that being able to connect one myth to another can show their influence and how one was mutated from another. I don't need to rely on the story of Horus being close to jesus's own to know that Mary was probably not a virgin, jesus most likely didn't walk on water nor did he rise 3 days after his crucifixion. Unlike you and christians in general, my disbelief doesn't rely on a single book that can be deconstructed like what you provided above.
Science seems to be saying he don't need no stinkin facts
Do you have any to present?
"What is utterly fascinating, is that atheists would actually prefer that the lie of Horus stand unchallenged.. even knowing it's a lie..
Atheist faith is based on a lie, and embraces lies."
That is a false statement.
@Science "I think you're missing the point of the comparison, namely that being able to connect one myth to another can show their influence and how one was mutated from another.
@Chad "ah.. I guess you missed the one critical piece somehow.. THE HORUS COMPARISON WAS MADE UP.. it was a myth that there were any similarities.. at all.
The myth wasnt derived, one way or the other., the comparison was just fabricated.
@Science " I don't need to rely on the story of Horus being close to jesus's own to know that Mary was probably not a virgin, jesus most likely didn't walk on water nor did he rise 3 days after his crucifixion."
@Chad "really.. ok, what do you rely on? You just "know"? No facts, no investigation?
@science " Unlike you and christians in general, my disbelief doesn't rely on a single book that can be deconstructed like what you provided above"
@chad "see that you are ignoring the mountain of extra-biblical evidence supporting the authenticity of the biblical narrative.. 😉
anyway, what exactly is your disbelief based on?
"Hint: One atheist does not trust another 😉 Speaks for itself!"
Really? Do you actually think your statement makes any sense?
That was directed to a previous poster. We all know Chad is quite fond of making false statements. There is no 'atheist faith.'
Chard just loves to lie. He makes it look cute with emoticons. It's still lying.
Here you go, Cad (and yes, I intended to leave out the 'h'. "CAD" is a good description of your character.
Do you believe in unicorns? What's your disbelief based on?
Do you believe in leprechauns? What's your disbelief based on?
Do you believe in gnomes? What's your disbelief based on?
Do you believe in the Easter bunny? What's your disbelief based on?
Do you believe in the Loch Ness monster? What's your disbelief based on?
Should I continue?
A repost from grasscity forums 2007:
"horus and Jesus are both god, as well as:
Agdistis or Angdistis
but the point is, they still dont exist. "
I wonder for how many of those, do we have eyewitness accounts of having been resurrected from the dead..
The only one that I know of is Jesus..
I can not accept this man as a vice presidential choice. He is an avid follower of Ayn Rand. The assertion that "Ryan has a deep, abiding respect for all human life, including unborn children and their mothers, the disabled and the elderly," does not fit with his desire to reduce Social Security, eliminate Medicare and slash Medicaid. Ayn Rand did not believe in any kind of charity or Social safety nets and described them as evil, as she also described all religion, any religion in general as evil. She was an avowed atheist and detested religion. she was totally amoral and ascribed a policy of total self-interest. He will try to hide his love of Ayn Rand, but it will not work as there are far to many videos of him speaking glowingly of her philosophy. He will not save America, he will damn it to hell instead. Forget his so-called Catholicism, he is a servant of mammon and ego, not God. For the soulless, heartless automatons and sociopaths who worship money, he is the ultimate! For the rest of humans, this is a sad day indeed. No, Romney supporters, this has nothing to do with Mr. Obama, it has to do with people who worship empty suits like Ryan, because they too are just as empty and void of humanity as Mr. Ryan. I might have been able to support Mr. Romney, but not now!
Well, I'm on here to take my own personal survey on who Romney's choice would be. He's starting to sound like a thug, from what I'm starting to read from all the blogs. Guess there's no surprise there, look who made the decision.
What else is new? The choice of VP is often made to allow the Presidential candidate to remain statesman-like and above the dirty fray. It's a guard dog appointed to do the dirty work of discrediting the opposition while leaving the candidate for presidential office in the lofty position of observer rather than participant in mud-wrestling.
You're not the 1st person to site Ryan's adherence to Ayn Rand... I don't see how he ascribes fully to Rand's philosophies. She despised the mixing of religion and politics. The Republican Party is all about mixing the two to form America's social policies. If Ryan fully ascribed to Rand's way of thinking then I might actually consider voting for Romney.
As a female Catholic (and Democrat) this type of choice does not make me more likely to vote Republican or for this ticket. I look beyond a single issue....like the polarizing abortion stance....and look to see how candidates perform on other social justice issues like homelessness, unemployment, food to the needy, and yes....health care. Ryan is definitely not someone all Catholics will support especially many of us who work in the human services field and see the need in our country everyday that has increased and will get worse with some of these less than explained or compassionate "Pathways to Prosperity"
Prosperity for whom? Not the child going hungry in your town tonight or the elderly person going without medication. I hope my fellow Catholics will stand up and not allow our faith to be hijacked by the likes of the Ryans, Romneys and others who play on the "war on religion" in order to boost their numbers. I
kmom you seem to be a very compassionate person for which I applaud you. However, the extent that Romney / Ryan are able to advance pro-life ethics in their administration based on their respective religious bvalues only indicates a commitment to the social jsutice causes you are focused on. I understand that people are going hungry but let me ask you a question.
How can there be any social justice that excludes the right to life?
But why are Romney and Ryan stomping on MY religious liberty to choose birth control?
Because they are trying to save your mortal soul that your beliefs are putting in jeopardy. See they know better than you. They talk to God and hear his replies.
@ArthurP–ROTFLMAO. G-d spoke to me too and he said that I shouldn't vote for either candidate b/c neither ascribes to the true religion... Scientology!
Are they? Can you cite your sources for their policy or platform that would prohibit you using birth control?
I thought not.
I support Ryan.Now Obama is 300% guaranteed to win.
The question one should ask: Is this Ryan guy just another Zionist agent?
I don't give a rat's behind what religion this VP hopeful is under. If he can walk the walk while talking the talk, then I will take him seriously. Same can be said for Obama and Biden. If any of them can do their job as president and get Congress to stop bickering with each other like kindergarteners, then I don't care if any of them are Christian, Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Gnostic, Agnostic, Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.
AMEN!!! I read on some blog today that this country's successes are directly linked to the Judeo-Christian morals that it was founded upon... What a Croc! The last time I checked, this country had religious freedom and there was a clear deliniation between church and state! And then I'm labeled an anti-patriot for pointing that fact out. If people want to live in a christian fundamentalist society then the U.S. of A. is the wrong country to live in.
Most Americans are of some Protestant faith.
Catholocism is the original sandal lickers of J.C. which they broke away from.
But Mormonism is a faith farther away than Islam....
So you are saying that most American are deluded. Boy is your country in trouble or what.
"Faith" is not a virtue! It brings us crusades, wars, witch trials and other atrocities. The whole concept of "they're a good choice because they have faith", is what makes repubs, repugs.
You presume a better world without faith. Can you point to any secular society where faith is not present and conditions are better than in the free western judeo christian world?
I thought not
"Romney believes that Paul Ryan is a faithful Catholic who believes in the worth and dignity of every human life." Does he believe in the worth and dignity of a gay life? Of someone who does not need to prove that they are gay, and how.
To the president of National Right to Life: Does Ryan understand that unborn children grow up to be gay, and some mothers with children are lesbians, and grandparents do as well turn out to be gay?
@Tom, did you read the original discussion at 4:26pm today?
Non potestis Deo servire et mammonae. It is not possible to serve both God and mammon (mammon = wealth/greed).
I suppose you support Obama's solution of eliminating all wealth from America, by bankrupting the U.S.A, and turning it into a third world country. ROMNEY & RYAN = smart, successful, honest, competent VS. obama & biden = mudslinging, lying, corrupt, and incompetent failures.
Save America ... Romney & Ryan in 2012 !!!
Typical under handed atheist technique, burying David Barton response – 07/12/2012 takes on his critics.