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First on CNN: Atheist group targets presidential candidates' faith with billboards
A billboard criticizing Christianity is going up in Charlotte, North Carolina, host city of the upcoming Democratic National Convention.
August 13th, 2012
10:03 AM ET

First on CNN: Atheist group targets presidential candidates' faith with billboards

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - A prominent atheist group is using next month's Democratic National Convention to take aim at the presidential candidates' religion, putting up billboards targeting Mormonism and Christianity in Charlotte, North Carolina.

“Our political system is rife with religion and it depends too much on religion and not enough on substance," said David Silverman, president of American Atheists, sponsor of the ads.

"Religion is silly and religion has components that are inherently divisive. … There is no place for any of that in the political system,” he said.

The billboards go up Monday in Charlotte and will stay up for a month at a cost of roughly $15,000. The Democratic convention runs September 3-6.

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The billboard targeting Christianity features an image of Jesus Christ on toast and this description of the faith: "Sadistic God; Useless Savior, 30,000+ Versions of ‘Truth,’ Promotes Hates, Calls it ‘Love.’ ”

The billboard targeting Mormonism lambastes - and, Mormons would say, distorts - specific Mormon doctrines: "God is a Space Alien, Baptizes Dead People, Big Money, Big Bigotry.”

The Mormon billboard features a man in white underwear, a reference to special Mormon garments.

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Both billboards feature the line "Atheism: Simply Reasonable."

American Atheists had wanted to put the anti-Mormon billboard in Tampa, Florida, to coincide with the Republican National Convention there later this month. Presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney is a Mormon. When no billboard company in the city would lease the group space for such a sign, Silverman said the organization decided to focus solely on the Democrats in Charlotte.

“Presidential conventions are for ideas, not ideology - platforms, not platitudes," Silverman said. "If a person believes stupid things, we have every right to question his or her judgment, and that directly impacts how the nonreligious voter votes.”

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Some religious leaders said the billboards showed a misunderstanding of how faith works.

"That billboard makes the most common high-school error when it comes to atheism," wrote the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and author, in an e-mail to CNN. "It's not arguing against the existence of God, but against religion. The American Atheists need to go back to school on this one."

Martin also questioned the language used on the billboard: "And as for 'promoting hate' they're doing a bang-up job themselves with that billboard."

Terryl Givens, a Mormon professor at the University of Richmond, called American Atheists "petty and vindictive."

“If this example of adolescent silliness is what atheists mean by being reasonable, then neither Mormons nor other Christians have much to worry about," he said of the billboards. "When atheists organize to serve the poor and needy of the world, they will be taken more seriously."

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It's not the first time the American Atheists group has released in-your-face billboards. Earlier this year, the group put up two billboards in heavily Muslim and Jewish enclaves in New Jersey and New York bearing messages in Arabic and Hebrew.

“You know it’s a myth … and you have a choice,” the billboards said. At the time, Silverman said the signs were intended to reach atheists in Muslim and Jewish areas who may feel isolated because they are surrounded by believers.

In addition to the billboards, Silverman said his group plans to stage protests at both conventions.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Atheism • Barack Obama • Christianity • Mitt Romney • Mormonism • Politics

soundoff (7,477 Responses)
  1. ligaya

    Observer, I think you were absent in your history class when they taught that Hitlet though once a Christian renounced his faith and became an atheist like you.

    August 14, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • AtheistLove

      Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

      "The Fuhrer is completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."

      August 14, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • One one

      "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

      – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

      August 14, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @AtheistLove

      Equivocation fallacy.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Observer

      “The judgment whether a people is virtuous or not virtuous can hardly be passed by a human being. That should be left to God.”
      - Adolph Hitler, 04/01/1939

      August 14, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Observer

      ligaya,

      Just show us some actual statements from Hitler himself.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @atheists: You do realize that anyone can be a 'Christian'?
      You want to believe Hitler was a Christian that's fine, because in fact, 'Christian' is a label that the unbelieving world invented.
      The actual New Testament name for our faith is "the Way". This can be found in Acts, as can the time and place where the world began calling us 'Christian'.

      This makes a big difference, because as we all know, there are MANY different beliefs in the world regarding 'Christianity', but the New Testament is careful to describe the attributes required of a person who wishes to be a follower of the WAY, ie Jesus. There is no wiggle-room for a sociopath to be a follower of the Way.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      ligaya, what's hilarious about your post is that you honestly seem to think you're making some sort of point.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Observer

      b4bigbang,

      Going by the New Testament, do you support gay marriage? How about abortion?

      August 14, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @b4bigbang

      Hey -bigbang...

      So, it appears, from your comment, IMHO, that the terms... 'Christian' and 'Christianity' have become so 'semantically loaded' with 'negative' associations to them, given certain people, that you are willing to offer up 'euphemism drift' to a whole new term..."the WAY" which helps you dodge certain associations and side-step the term.

      Did I miss something here ?

      Regards,

      Peace...

      August 14, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Observer: I 'support' nothing outside of what we know from the New Testament.
      If the Jesus and/or the apostles explicitly supported hom o se xuality I would immediately give it the 'thumbs-up', but since Scripture teaches against the g a y thing, then i dont give it credence. I dont support anti h o m o pacs/lobbies either.

      As for abortion, that subject has been debated to death. As a follower of the Way, I identify with the 1st century church by saying that, while the world practices it, elective abortion is not condoned within our group.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • Point

      @TOM(ato)

      You'd never have me either.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      therealpeace2all: @b4bigbang: Hey -bigbang... So, it appears, from your comment, IMHO, that the terms... 'Christian' and 'Christianity' have become so 'semantically loaded' with 'negative' associations to them, given certain people, that you are willing to offer up 'euphemism drift' to a whole new term..."the WAY" which helps you dodge certain associations and side-step the term.
      Did I miss something here ?

      Yes you did miss something. Go look in the New Testament book of Acts and you'll see what i was referring to.
      If you wish to label my point as 'euphemism drift' then that is your prerogative.

      Are you familiar with the passages i refer to?

      August 14, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • True Scotsman

      A man is defined by his actions. Not by labels stuck on him by himself or by others.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @b4bigbang

      Hey -bigbang...

      " If you wish to label my point as 'euphemism drift' then that is your prerogative. "

      It wasn't so much a "prerogative" in that I just happened to notice, that... that was/is what you are doing. Which is a type of 'Red Herring' argument.

      Regardless of what the Bible says about the "words" we are still referencing 'beliefs' and 'actions' whether you call someone a "Christian"...the religion..."Christianity"... or ... "the WAY."

      Interesting discussion... thanks -bigbang.!!

      Regards,

      Peace...

      August 14, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • Observer

      b4bigbang

      "I 'support' nothing outside of what we know from the New Testament. If the Jesus and/or the apostles explicitly supported hom o se xuality I would immediately give it the 'thumbs-up'".

      Ok. So you do support slavery and discrimination against women. Interesting. Jesus never opposed child molesting, so do you support that?

      August 14, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Scotsman: What you said is true to a point.
      Where i take issue is the fact that a person could be very well thought of in the community as a philanthropist, great parent, citizen, etc, and at the funeral, which belief-system would be attributed to him?
      This is important to a lot of people world-wide.
      Maybe not to you, but to many – and I believe it's important to God as well.....

      August 14, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I want my tombstone to be the FSM pummeling neanderthals with His Noodly Appendages.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Observer: I know your M.O., I've seen your exegesis and found it to be so wanting as to be virtually non-existent.
      I won't debate you on Scripture, esp seeing as how at least one of the other atheists have [rightly] called you to account for your sloppy exegesis.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Jen

      Ie, big4bang has no retort or excuse for the immoral stances in the bible regarding slavery or the abhorrent treatment of women.....

      August 14, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Observer

      b4bigbang,

      Why are you so afraid to answer questions about your faith?

      The New Testament supports slavery. Do you agree with it? Yes or No?

      The New Testament supports discrimination against women. Do you agree with it? Yes or No?

      Jesus never said anything bad against gays. Do you follow his example?

      August 14, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • truth be told

      Biblical slavery? A slave to Christ most definitely -Yes.
      You misread and misinterpret the role of women in the New Testament. Read the whole Truth and your ignorance will be apparent even to you.
      Jesus was and is the same God of Leviticus and Romans, His words on ho mo se xuality have never changed. The sin of ho mo se xuals has always been an abomination.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Jen

      Run along tbt, and let the mentally competent people have a discussion.....

      August 14, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Jen: The New Testament actually supports going away from slavery.
      The NT also does not concern itself with creating a laundry list of feminist causes.
      If you believed, you'd rejoice that God treats the world with grace [rather than OT judgement] since the advent of Christ.
      But I do realize that you're merely attempting to point out a perceived inferiority of NT faith as compared with your own liberal modernist beliefs.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • truth be told

      @jen
      You have been weighed in the balance and found lacking.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Observer

      truth be told,

      Jesus NEVER mentioned gays in the New Testament. Read it sometime. Maybe then you'll see how it supported slavery.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Jen

      Tbt – seriously, go take your psych medication....what a sad pathetic life you lead....

      Big4bang, are you saying that it was EVER morally acceptable for women to have to obey men???? You're not serious are you?

      August 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • truth be told

      The entire Bible is the inspired words of Jesus, when ho mo se xuality was labelled an abomination it has never changed. Read the entire text if you want to clearly know what God has to say about unnatural relations.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Jen: "Big4bang, are you saying that it was EVER morally acceptable for women to have to obey men???? You're not serious are you?"

      Jen, we all obey many people in our lives, whether it be males or females or both. The law, the boss at work, etc.
      If you're referring only to roles in the family, [or the church], then I should ask you at this point where you are coming from.
      The reason I say this is because your last comment is so full of surprise and incredulity that I believe you may be believing a stereotypical view of believers' church and family life.

      While certain movies may depict a 'Christian' man as a tyrant, the common truth is just the opposite.
      We all submit to the Lordship of Christ as revealed in the Scriptures, men and women both.
      If you'd study the NT with an open mind, you'd even find a deaconess who was sent on a mission by the apostle with a letter to the church that they must help her do her mission in any way she requires.
      Doesn't sound too chauv to me....

      August 14, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • Jen

      Oh okay big4bang, then please point out where the bible says that men must obey women. Also please point out where it says husbands must submit to their wives. Finally, I really would like to know where the passage is that tells men that they are to shut up in church (I know where the passage is that tells women to shut the f-ck up).

      If we are all to obey then there should be the same commandments for men correct?

      August 14, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
  2. ligaya

    Niknak, really losing the argument so why there are hundreds of thousands of conversions and baptisms every year to the Catholic Church. Though there are also counter conversions. I am just being fair and not one sided in my argument.

    August 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Quick question. Do you know how to use the reply button?

      August 14, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • niknak

      Catholic church is going the way of the dinosaurs bro.
      They are just a money making for proffit organization that sells nothing except snake oil, just like all religions the world over.
      Now if you have a site about science, I'm there.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Jen: sorry i posted this in the wrong place, here's my reply to your question:Jen: "Big4bang, are you saying that it was EVER morally acceptable for women to have to obey men???? You're not serious are you?"

      Jen, we all obey many people in our lives, whether it be males or females or both. The law, the boss at work, etc.
      If you're referring only to roles in the family, [or the church], then I should ask you at this point where you are coming from.
      The reason I say this is because your last comment is so full of surprise and incredulity that I believe you may be believing a stereotypical view of believers' church and family life.

      While certain movies may depict a 'Christian' man as a tyrant, the common truth is just the opposite.
      We all submit to the Lordship of Christ as revealed in the Scriptures, men and women both.
      If you'd study the NT with an open mind, you'd even find a deaconess who was sent on a mission by the apostle with a letter to the church that they must help her do her mission in any way she requires.
      Doesn't sound too chauv to me....

      August 14, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Doesn't sound too chauv to me."

      Of course it doesn't. You're the one with the penis.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @Jen: If you're fishing for a New Testament affirmative to a feminist demand that God practice political-correctness, then I must say that you'll be disappointed.

      All 'isms' including feminism must bow before the revealed will of God.
      You have the choice to believe the Gospel or not.

      August 14, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not.

      August 14, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • Jen

      Well if that's your position then the only woman you will ever attract is an unintelligent loser with extremely low self esteem and absolutely nothing going for her.

      Have fun with that woman!

      August 14, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
  3. ligaya

    Niknak have you tried the honest search in the website I suggested. What are you afraid of? You might see the truth? and realize that all what you are living are all lies?

    August 14, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • niknak

      The only thing that is a lie is your magic man in the sky.
      No need to go to that site, they have nothing to offer except the current interpretation of religious dogma.
      It is cute when little children believe in santa clause, but it is creepy when an adult does.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
  4. ligaya

    Niknak are you honestly telling me (oooppps sorry you have no sense of sins ang lies) you are using the Mayan calendar in your everyday life? So what year is it now? So you will be ending and all atheists in December 21, 2012.?

    August 14, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Observer

      Nope. We use the calendar with all the names of gods like Woden and Thor for the names of days.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
  5. ligaya

    History classes taught us that it is atheism that cause the biggest mass murder in human history from Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Franco, etc. Since the belief of atheims is that humans have no souls and no ternal life then humans are mere animals that can just be disposed off so eaily and that they are not afraid to commit such crimes because they believe there is no eternal damnation.

    August 14, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Jean Paul

      “Life has no meaning the moment you lose the illusion of being eternal” (Sartre)

      August 14, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • Observer

      “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
      - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

      August 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • TR6

      Hitler, all of his SS and all of his army were Christians. Stalin and Mao were high priests of the communist religion

      August 14, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • AtheistLove

      Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism.

      There have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm. These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao…

      The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

      The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot.

      For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.
      There is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things?

      If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case.

      Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!

      August 14, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @AtheistLove

      Did they commit those murders and genocides in the name of non-belief in a god, or in the name of consolidating power for themselves?

      August 14, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • exlonghorn

      ligaya, you're clearly uneducated. As such, your comments carry no importance.

      1) Hitler was NOT an atheist. Multiple quotes in Mein Kampf and several quotes recorded during speeches at the Reichstag prove his clear belief in God.
      2) You assert that atheism CAUSED mass murders. Show me ANY reference that supports your claim. I can show you a bunch of references that say Mao killed to maintain control of the population, as did Stalin. It had NOTHING to do with Atheism.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • exlonghorn

      AthesitLove, please cite your sources. Sorry...not just gong to take your word for it. I'm not a fundie. 🙂

      August 14, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • AtheistLove

      Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was asked to account for the great tragedies that occurred under the brutal communist regime he and fellow citizens suffered under.

      Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn offered the following explanation:

      "Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'

      Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'

      August 14, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @ligaya,

      where do you get that Francisco Franco was an atheist? Not only was he a Roman Catholic, he made sure the Catholic Church was the established>/i> church of the Spanish State under Franco.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • exlonghorn

      AthiestLove, so apparently you too are uneducated.

      What Solzhenitsyn offered was an OPINION. Do you think any scientist or clinical psychologist would be satisfied with a guy's OPINION? The Nobel Prize for LITERATURE also carries no weight.

      So what does carry weight? Proof of cause and effect. By your logic, all Atheists should commit mass murder. So, you need to prove that...or at least prove that Atheists commit mass murder at a rate statistically significantly greater than believers (good luck with that one!)

      August 14, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Atheist Love

      Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn offered the following explanation:

      "Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'

      This is the best you have to say all the communist regimes commited those genocides in the name of non-belief? Ridiculous.

      Also, people can say anything about themselves they want to.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  6. ligaya

    I am inviting evryone who is serious or not honestly serrious, just want to test or whatever this great website. All your answers good or bad or weird be answered. They have all the answers. CatholicsComeHome.org

    August 14, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • niknak

      No they don't.
      They have religious dogma, and have been losing the argument for the past 500 years.
      RIP

      August 14, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  7. ligaya

    If atheists (really and honestly) do not want to associate with anyhting and everything Christian then why is it that everyday of their lives and every second of their lives they are using the Christian calendar? Unless they do not know or forget the calendar is called Gregorian calendar after Pope Gregory the Great. It is unreasonable for an atheist to use the Christian calendar they need to come up with their own.

    August 14, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • niknak

      The Myan calander is far more accurate then the Georgian one, as it does not need a leapyear every 4 years to keep it going.
      I would prefer to use theirs, not yours, but you fundies would go batsht.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • One one

      This is a silly argument. Li ke, if Christians don't want to be associated with atheism, they should not use light bulbs bc it's inventor, Thomas Edison, was an atheist.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • Tsu Tzu

      Steve Job was a zen buddhist.

      So what's your point?

      August 14, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • atheists typicaLies

      @One one

      Thomas Edison was a Deist, get your fact straight!

      August 14, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • Observer

      "Nature is what we know. We do not know the gods of religions. And nature is not kind, or merciful, or loving. If God made me — the fabled God of the three qualities of which I spoke: mercy, kindness, love — He also made the fish I catch and eat. And where do His mercy, kindness, and love for that fish come in? No; nature made us — nature did it all — not the gods of the religions.'

      – Thomas Edison, New York Times Magazine, 10/02/1910. Edison did not believe that God sent Jesus.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
  8. ligaya

    It doesn't mean that if there are 30,000+ versions of truth doesnt mean that there is no original "The Truth" . You can't call them the versions unless there is one original Truth. Its like Elvis impersonators or Elvis versions but there is also one original Elvis Presley. And that I call reasonable and logic.

    August 14, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  9. Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)

    John 8:47-"He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

    John 3:18-"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

    John 8:44-"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

    Matthew 13:38-"The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,

    John 3:16-"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4-"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

    It is very simple unbelievers do not belong to GOD. I know it sucks really really bad but this is the reality of truth. Now atheist you understand why it is impossible for you to believe, it is because you are already condemned. You are blinded by your father. You are not of GOD but of the devil, and the devil along with his seed shall perish forever according to the word of GOD Almighty.

    P.S. “I would rather live my life as if there is a god and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

    August 14, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • niknak

      You won't find anything after you die, just like you found nothing before you were conceived.
      Because you were nothing before you were concieved and will be nothing after you die.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • exlonghorn

      I guess that would make PT Barnum the second most powerful.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things ,

    August 14, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Observer

      @just sayin,

      If you really believed that you'd answer questions.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Observer

      @just sayin,

      Are you still not willing to answer questions about your faith?

      August 14, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • truth be told

      @observer
      You appear to be on the wrong thread.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Observer

      Ok. It's "truth be told" today.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • truth be told

      I am truth be told everyday, prove otherwise or be shown for what you are.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  11. Sam Yaza

    hahahahh i love you atheist

    August 14, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  12. Jack

    Hello folks. Everyone is cordially invited to visit – thestarofkaduri.com

    August 14, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  13. God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups

    10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

    9 – You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

    8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

    7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

    6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

    5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

    4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs - though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

    3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

    2 – You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

    1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian

    August 14, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups

      ^ You know you're a Christian fundamentalist when.....

      August 14, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  14. Jesus freaker

    So where can I get one of those Jesus toasters?

    August 14, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  15. JesusNotReligion

    If any of this hate-speech ranting (including the so-called "christian" who dropped the "F-bomb" against all you atheist's) was directed toward Muslims, you and your family would be hunted down by some militant fundamentalist who would slaughter you in your own home. Try it some time with your real name (though I am sure they have their operatives at CNN who can track you down via your email account)...You'd be screaming, "Oh GOD! Oh GOD, please don't kill us!!" (emphasis on "GOD")...That is NOT the case with true followers of JesusNotReligion who pose no threat to you, which is why you are all so bold and belligerant with your posts. Our TRUE message is an offer of of grace, mercy & forgiveness in JesusNotReligion, and we are not here to convince you or convert you! Our message is NOT one of physical harm from us if you choose not to believe that message of hope freely offered to you! We are ALL in this "humanity-thing" together. Our common enemy, "Death", shows no prejudice. Believer's in Jesus for salvation AND unbeliever's ALL DIE JUST THE SAME, so doesn't it stand to reason that true (and ultimate) JUSTICE is waiting on the other side of death's door? You may disagree but I've said my peace without making any personal attacks – and you and your family can sleep safe tonight knowing that I am not out to get you.JesusNotReligion...RelationshipNotRitual...SalvationbygraceNotByLegalisticWorks! (Typos are possible so go easy on me)...

    August 14, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      JWT...You wrote in response to this prior post: "Glad to know that you will be voting in favour of gay marriage when/if it comes to a vote in your area."

      Here is my REPLY:
      JWT...My sister is gay and she is one of the nicest person's that I know...TRULY!...I love her dearly and unconditionally. I would stand up for her "right to assemble" and for her right to "free speech" in this Country – and she would stand up for mine, WOULD YOU? I have cried for her in prayer, not because I think I am better than her, but because WE ALL NEED SALVATION (FORGIVENESS) regardless of who we are or how we choose to not show our love & worship for the God of the Bible in accordance with His revealed will. I pray because she's my beautiful sister. I don't shove my Bible in her face but I have shared JesusNotReligion with her in love. I am not her Judge nor am I her Savior! That being said, in direct response to your post, I have to vote my conscience, JWT, according to the faith I have been given – surely you can understand and respect that to one degree or another – my sister does. Btw: My sister and her Partner both vote "Republican", so I wonder what you would have to say to her about that?

      August 14, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Observer

      JesusNotReligion,

      Do you tell your divorced-and-remarried friends that they will go to hell if they don't divorce and repent?

      August 14, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • niknak

      What I gather is that you just want to follow jesus' teaching about being a good person and loving everyone unconditionally.
      If so, then great, I am all for that.
      But why do you need to believe jesus was anything other then just a good stand up guy?
      Why can't you just be a good stand up guy on your own, without having some fairy tale associated with it?
      Why can't you just be StandupguyNOTreligion instead?

      August 14, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      I agree 100% with JesusNotReligion on what he posted here.

      Especially the part about our faith being centered on the person of Christ – NOT a religion.
      Oh and btw, the exact New Testament name for our faith is not 'Christianity' (the unbelievers attached that name to us), it was (and still should be imo) "the Way".

      Notice it's not 'a way' or 'one of the ways', but THE WAY. There is only one way to eternal life and that is to trust in Jesus as Savior and Lord and all we need to know re our faith and what God expects of us in in the New Testament – not tradition nor the Old Testament, nor any so-called 'lost Gospels' (although the OT can be a great tool to lead people to Christ)
      All other forms of 'Christianity' are wrong ways.....

      August 14, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • JesusNotReligion

      Observer...About "Divorce"...There are Biblical grounds for divorce. There are also variables like: Were they a believer or unbeliever when they got divorced (i.e. Did they get divorced before experiencing the life-changing work of the Holy Spirit, and then truly came to saving faith and re-married "in Christ"?) Was one a believer and the other not? It is not as clear cut as you might want it to be......Are you asking because you really want to know or because some denomination was so legalistic about their understanding of this subject that they poisoned the gospel for you? God is love...Hell is a separation from God. So Hell is a separation from Love. That is a Biblical fact that gives value to the basic reason WHY Jesus was sent and WHAT He was doing on the Cross. If there was no real threat of judgment for sin and hell waiting for us on the other side (apart from saving faith in Jesus), then all that Jesus taught about Himself and His sacrificial/atoning death on the Cross would be false. Let the logic of this basic teaching of JesusNotReligion have its way with you...So sorry if you are one of the casualties of ReligionNotJesus...but we (His church) are not your scapegoat or justifier for unbelief. Each will give his/her personal account before the Lord...and to paraphrase the Bible "By your own words you will be condemned, by your own words you will be justified". Now take a look at some of the comments just on this page alone in light of that truth. Wow!

      August 15, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • JesusNotReligion

      niknak..."Religion" has hi-jacked the Jesus of the Bible and in many cases simply turned Him into a good moral teacher who set the example for us...or...a Guru who simply came to teach us the way to peace and oneness BUT HE HIMSELF IS NOT THE WAY TO THIS SALVATION. Jesus caould not have said the things He said and claimed and still be called a "stand up guy". So here is really something to think about (and I truly hope you will): Jesus was not executed for the wonderful healing miracles He did or for teaching & obeying the "golden rule" (i.e. Love your neighbor as yourself). He was was crucified for WHO He claimed to "be"; God, the Lord & Savior. Real quick verses for you to consider: 1) Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (even my or my sister's best efforts fall short of perfectly reflecting the glory ahd truth of God)...
      2) Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS so that no one can boast." 3) Galatians 2:21 "I do not set aside the grace (gift) of God, for if being in a right relationship with God could be gained through our own efforts (i.e. The Law--working for it) then Jesus died in vain."
      4) Romans 6:23 "For the payment of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
      5) 1 Peter 3:18 "For Jesus also suffered once for sins, the righteous (Him) for the unrighteous (all of us), to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."...BOTTOM LINE: Just like we can't swim from California to Hawaii or practice/train/work hard enough to broad jump the Grand Canyon (though some may get further than me) we can NOT WORK OUR WAY FROM EARTH TO HEAVEN – WE HAVE TO BE TAKEN THERE. God sent His Son, Jesus, to do for man on the Cross what we could not do for ourselves. If you've never heard that Biblical truth before and still reject it, then at least you know the "Biblical Truth" that you are rejecting. It's about a PERSON not a Denomination or Religion. Jesus asked this heaven or hell question (depending on their answer): "Who do YOU say that I am?" (Matthew 16:15)...Who do YOU say that he is niknak?

      August 15, 2012 at 1:08 am |
  16. A. R. King

    Everyone believes in an uncaused effect. Theists call it "god" and atheists call it "universe" or "existence". What's the diff? God intervenes in our lives, usually in a bad way, given human history. The universe don't care. I prefer "universe".

    August 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  17. unsafe

    Why cant you guys just let people believe what they want to believe? If it makes them happy, let them be happy. I can understand sharing an opinion (because it IS an opinion) with those who welcome it, but all this just feels like senseless attacks on peoples beliefs. Knock it off.

    August 14, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Observer

      unsafe,

      It wouldn't be an issue if people kept their beliefs in their homes and places of worship, but they insist on inflicting their religious beliefs on others and hypocritically use them to deny others equal rights.

      August 14, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      You mean like keep it in the closet? Which views and beliefs should be kept in the homes and away from society? I thought in America we are open to allow everyone a chance to get up on the soapbox and freely express their views?

      Sigh.... you have 700club folks saying the same phrases you just did. It will all be ok if they kept their lifestyle out of society.

      ...but knowing History, we all know that the first step to exterminate a view or a group is to force them to operate outside of the public view. Makes it easier when you have to round them up when loading them into the boxcars.

      Observer, HippyPoet says I do this too much and I gotta agree because all of you at the extremes sound so much same. And seeing how trying to censor others has failed so many times in history, yall make it too easy. 🙂

      August 14, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Observer

      Mark from Middle River,

      Extreme? Get real. No one is saying you shouldn't have freedom of speech. You seem to confuse freedom of speech with forcing religious statements into schools and religious demonstrations at school events.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>”No one is saying you shouldn't have freedom of speech. “

      Hmm... same person said …

      “It wouldn't be an issue if people kept their beliefs in their homes and places of worship”

      Ah, and the 700 club types often statements was that the Gays could do what they do, as long as it was in the confines of their own homes. So, folks have the freedom to speak just not in public. Let's stick with the 700 club types and the LGBTs. You mentioned schools. To them, they make the same comments that the Gay and Lesbian lifestyles have no business in our schools. Now the Gays and Lesbians respond that they are trying to educate children of the existence of the Gay and Lesbian lifestyle. The 700 Club and the Westburu Baptist say the same words you said ..that they are “forcing” their lifestyles into schools.

      Forcing,...educating... influencing... teaching. ….

      All depends on which side you are on in the argument unless you are like me and are laughing at both sides that maybe those 1984 movie images were the path we are going cause everyone wants their views to grow and continue and their enemies views to die out and the schools are often the battle ground.

      Yes, extremist on both sides are what is holding us back. Find another way.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Piddler, grow up. Being gay is no more a "lifestyle" than is being straight.

      August 16, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  18. Li

    Few 100% true Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things:

    † Atheism is a religion that makes you angry, stupid, brainwashed, ignorant & blind.
    † Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
    † Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet atheists)
    † Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
    † Atheists are misguided and causes problem in our religious & public society.
    † Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
    † Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
    † Atheism making you agree with Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler (denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders who killed religious people because of their religious cult!
    † No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
    † Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
    † Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
    † Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
    † Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
    † Most atheists are uneducated... No atheists could run for presidency.
    † Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
    † Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
    † All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
    † The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
    † Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
    **Only 2-3% of the U.S. are atheists/agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**

    † † Our Prayers goes to atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator † †

    PS! the USA is a † nation and will always be. You know it's true and stop being ignorant and arrogant!
    (Take a look at our federal/state holidays, 99% of our presidents, blue laws in parts of the nation, the majority of people, some laws, calendar, culture, etc.)
    http://rightremedy.org/tracts/7
    ..//

    August 14, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Observer

      Much mindless IGNORANCE.

      Why HIDE from questions?

      August 14, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I see you've updated this to modify (though not necessarily correct) at least one glaring fallacy, to say "Hitler (denied his faith later)" implying that he was indeed a Roman Catholic when young.

      When pray tell did he do this? I'm sure you can pony up a web link somewhere, preferably not a Christian propaganda site.

      Thanks!

      August 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
  19. Atheist Philosopher Girl Gone Wild

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g2GuTAIep8&w=640&h=360]

    August 14, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Entil'za

      Ok...you win the username of the day award.

      August 14, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
  20. Joe

    I wonder why there are so many atheist on here proclaiming there is no God but only a few "christians" who come on here to egg them on. I actually think its funny because most actual christians don't even bother because they are above it. Man makes up his own conclusions as he goes through life. You can't sway him once he's made up his mind. Only people filled with hate attack others beliefs whether is atheist, christian, muslim or jewish. I don't think its just coincidence so many atheists have wondered into the belief section to voice their opinion and call others stupid for what they believe. They obviously get enjoyment out of it. Yet they call God sadistic.

    August 14, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      if christians were truly "above it", they would not engage in evangelism

      August 14, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Not necessarily, Sam Stone re your statement "if Christians were above it they wouldn't engage in evangelism.
      Most evangelists don't debate here or anywhere else, they simply proclaim....

      August 14, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind. -LIE
      Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated. -LIE
      Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists) -LIE
      Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle. -LIE
      Atheists causes problem in our religious society. -LIE
      Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith. -LIE
      Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise. -LIE
      Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders. -LIE
      No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider' -LIE
      Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime. -LIE
      Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet. -LIE
      Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people. -LIE
      Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved. -LIE
      Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency. -LIE
      Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history. -LIE
      Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists. -LIE
      All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals. -LIE
      The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20) -LIE
      Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism! -LIE

      It just goes to show that Christians can’t even follow one of the basic Ten Commandments by posting all these lies. What a hypocrite

      August 15, 2012 at 11:56 am |
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