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First on CNN: Atheist group targets presidential candidates' faith with billboards
A billboard criticizing Christianity is going up in Charlotte, North Carolina, host city of the upcoming Democratic National Convention.
August 13th, 2012
10:03 AM ET

First on CNN: Atheist group targets presidential candidates' faith with billboards

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - A prominent atheist group is using next month's Democratic National Convention to take aim at the presidential candidates' religion, putting up billboards targeting Mormonism and Christianity in Charlotte, North Carolina.

“Our political system is rife with religion and it depends too much on religion and not enough on substance," said David Silverman, president of American Atheists, sponsor of the ads.

"Religion is silly and religion has components that are inherently divisive. … There is no place for any of that in the political system,” he said.

The billboards go up Monday in Charlotte and will stay up for a month at a cost of roughly $15,000. The Democratic convention runs September 3-6.

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The billboard targeting Christianity features an image of Jesus Christ on toast and this description of the faith: "Sadistic God; Useless Savior, 30,000+ Versions of ‘Truth,’ Promotes Hates, Calls it ‘Love.’ ”

The billboard targeting Mormonism lambastes - and, Mormons would say, distorts - specific Mormon doctrines: "God is a Space Alien, Baptizes Dead People, Big Money, Big Bigotry.”

The Mormon billboard features a man in white underwear, a reference to special Mormon garments.

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Both billboards feature the line "Atheism: Simply Reasonable."

American Atheists had wanted to put the anti-Mormon billboard in Tampa, Florida, to coincide with the Republican National Convention there later this month. Presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney is a Mormon. When no billboard company in the city would lease the group space for such a sign, Silverman said the organization decided to focus solely on the Democrats in Charlotte.

“Presidential conventions are for ideas, not ideology - platforms, not platitudes," Silverman said. "If a person believes stupid things, we have every right to question his or her judgment, and that directly impacts how the nonreligious voter votes.”

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Some religious leaders said the billboards showed a misunderstanding of how faith works.

"That billboard makes the most common high-school error when it comes to atheism," wrote the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and author, in an e-mail to CNN. "It's not arguing against the existence of God, but against religion. The American Atheists need to go back to school on this one."

Martin also questioned the language used on the billboard: "And as for 'promoting hate' they're doing a bang-up job themselves with that billboard."

Terryl Givens, a Mormon professor at the University of Richmond, called American Atheists "petty and vindictive."

“If this example of adolescent silliness is what atheists mean by being reasonable, then neither Mormons nor other Christians have much to worry about," he said of the billboards. "When atheists organize to serve the poor and needy of the world, they will be taken more seriously."

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It's not the first time the American Atheists group has released in-your-face billboards. Earlier this year, the group put up two billboards in heavily Muslim and Jewish enclaves in New Jersey and New York bearing messages in Arabic and Hebrew.

“You know it’s a myth … and you have a choice,” the billboards said. At the time, Silverman said the signs were intended to reach atheists in Muslim and Jewish areas who may feel isolated because they are surrounded by believers.

In addition to the billboards, Silverman said his group plans to stage protests at both conventions.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Atheism • Barack Obama • Christianity • Mitt Romney • Mormonism • Politics

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  1. Norwegian Dad

    LOL it's funny to see how American Christians and American Atheists constantly argue and fight with each other.
    Here in Scandinavia where our govn' is Christian but more than half of the population are Atheists – we still love each other and never argue anything at all. Even though we don't believe in God, we still celebrate Christian holidays, many of us still baptize kids, marry at church, etc. for cultural reason. Why can't you guys be friends the same as here?
    So what if religion is big in politics... what happened to freedom of religion and freedom of speech as you guys constantly remind us in first amendment?

    Looking for serious responds. Peace!

    August 15, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Allow me to ask a few questions in response, to clarify and answer your question better. What Christian holidays are you speaking about, and are the Christians there attempting to legislate their religion, and impose what it disapproves of on everyone else?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Sarah

      Because the minority always causes the problems and issues unfortunately.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Where in Norway do you live Dad?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Norwegian Dad,

      gay people can marry in Norway, right?
      Abortion is legal during the first 12 weeks, right?

      The good Lutherans of Norway don't get quite as worked up about gays and abortion like the Evangelical Protestants here in the US.

      There's a lot to be said for real tolerance.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • manbearpig

      ND –
      That depends. Do the christians in your country try to ban things like gay marriage and stem cell research?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Norwegian Dad

      I'm talking about Christmas, Good Friday, Mandy Thursday, Palm Sunday, Easter Sunday, All Saint's Day, etc.

      I'm sure most American Atheists will be angry if the Federal government observed more Christians holiday.

      Yes, we still have an official church in Norway, but none of us Atheists care less about it.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Norwegian Dad

      If you are not gay, why would you care if someone is for or against gay marriage?

      I though you have freedom of speech/religion in the U.S., right?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Norwegian Dad

      As for the Holidays, I don't really see a reason to celebrate things like All Saint's Day, or Palm Sunday as an atheist, and I'm not entirely sure how one would celebrate those as an atheist, but I digress.
      I think you may have missed the point in what I asked after that. I'm asking if they are attempting to legislate a ban on contraception, or in there is mandatory prayer in public schools, bans on gay marriage, or criminal penalties for gay acts. Things like that.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Nice argument, ND. It's sort of like "If you aren't black, why should you care about slavery?"

      And I'm all for more holidays.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Norsk far

      you asked: If you are not gay, why would you care if someone is for or against gay marriage?

      It's an equality thing. When some states here made gay marriage legal, Religious groups rose up and fought it with laws and referenda. They oppose equality.

      Yes we have free speech, but freedom is not equally distributed.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • you're not Norwegian. stop lying and go away, mr troll

      .
      .
      .

      August 15, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Norwegian Dad

      No, we have no prayers at public schools; however during Christmas they take us all to church and we sing Christians songs for cultural reason.

      There is no ban on gays in the U.S. either, and no mandate prayers.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      /off topic: is 'far' the word for 'father' in Norway? I know that's the word in Swedish. "Far far" is "father of the father", for example.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      I think Atheist Mom and Norwegian Dad are a trans gender couple.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Transgender? I think they're a transspecies couple. He's a sardine and she's a cow.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Norwegian Dad

      Actually, there is a ban on gay marriage in many states, and the religious are always screaming about wanting prayer back in school, not to mention creationism in science classes, a small religious minority that want to take away citizenship status from atheists, and a myriad of other things. This is why some atheists argue with the religious, because despite our constitution and the lack of a state religion, our government kow tows to these assholes.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @TTTPS

      I hope so.

      Google is my shepherd. I shall not want.

      I plugged "Norwegian dad" into Google translate and "Norsk far" popped out.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Where did the sardine go?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      He's busy observing the Northern Lights and contemplating the meaning of 'cow'.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • billdeacons

      You won't make it far if you are arguing for tolerance for Christians. The extreme atheist crowd seeks the abolishment of all religion and will not permit public prayer or symbols of Christian holidays on government property. Many openly advocate taxation on the Church which is a direct violation of the Constiitution. But they do care care, such is their hatred towards religion.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Maybe he went to the ice cave tavern for a little wodka and then onto some good old grilling outside at 20 below.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @TVA,

      norske troll, tror jeg.

      ps. It's the country where they come from.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll

      August 15, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      @billdeacons

      1st amendment billy bob, establishment clause, too bad there deaky!

      August 15, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Plus it's almost 4:00am in Oslo.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      @I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I should have had a V8! I didn't know that! Thanks for the link!

      August 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      billdeacons
      You won't make it far if you are arguing for tolerance for Christians. The extreme atheist crowd seeks the abolishment of all religion and will not permit public prayer or symbols of Christian holidays on government property. Many openly advocate taxation on the Church which is a direct violation of the Constiitution. But they do care care, such is their hatred towards religion.

      ---

      You are a lying azzhole.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @billdeacons,

      well, this much is accurate: [they]...will not permit public prayer or symbols of Christian holidays on government property. Many openly advocate taxation on the Church which is a direct violation of the Constiitution.

      The taxation thing is tricky. I don't mind mainstream religions being tax exempt but Kenneth Copeland's private airline is a bit of a poke in the eye, as is anything with a whiff of Scientology.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I think the taxation thing is more cut and dry than that. Giving an automatic tax exemption to a religion is a blatant violation of the 1st amendment, since it is a law that respects the establishment of a religion for no other reason than it is a religion. Also, the tax exemption status only goes to religions recognized by the government, which in essence puts the government in charge of determining what is and is not a religion, another blatant violation of the 1st amendment.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Isn't tax exempt only for non-profits?

      August 15, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      After a little googling: God's air force: (This information is dated 2006)

      Pat Robertson: Lear 35
      Jerry Falwell operates a Citation III N71LU, as part of his Liberty University.
      Kenneth Copeland: Citation X is SN 240 N1962J, registered to Eagle Mountain International Church of Newark, TX.

      Eagle Mountain Church also owns the following aircraft:
      Gulfstream II-SP, N104VV
      Cessna 421B, N1223H

      Kenneth Copeland personally owns the following aircraft in care of Kenneth Copeland Industries of Newark, TX:
      North American T-28B Trojan, N28VV
      Beech Baron E-55, N413KG
      Stearman B75N1, N450KG

      All purchased with tax free income, including donations. It legal, but is this 'right'?

      There may well be others. Joel Osteen must have one by now. He can't let his wife fly unaccompanied without being fined $3,000 by the FAA for interferring with flight attendants. Fox even carried that story.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      No, Charitable organizations get the same tax exempt status as non profits and churches. That being the 501(c)(3) status.

      Head to http://www.irs.gov/charities/index.html

      August 15, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Thanks for the link. It would appear that we should be taking away their charitable status as they surely attempt influencing legislation.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Indeed they do. I have no problem if they get a tax exempt status, as long as they earn it as any other organization would.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Are there any active organizations that are monitoring their activities and keeping them in line or challenging them?

      August 15, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Not that I'm aware of.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Even if there currently is, they're pretty useless since their not enforcing the law.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      I guess it's that good old American way, good old boys in the back room washing each other's hands.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Care to retract Tom?

      August 16, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Urafkntool

      You also have thousands of African muslims r–a–p–i–n–g your women and killing your men every day, thanks to the Zionist left's anti-white, genocidal tactics.

      August 16, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • sam stone

      billdeacons: and christians are all too eager to violate the 14th amendment when they deny gays the right to marry (a civil right, according to the supreme court)

      August 16, 2012 at 3:38 am |
  2. Atheist Mom

    That Atheist group is very intolerant and hateful towards Christians. I did not now they were that militant.
    I will never donate any money to them anymore

    August 15, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      If you're talking about Sliverman and American Atheists, no, I would agree. I don't think they deserve it either.

      Looking at the Xtian billboards attacking atheism, this is pretty tame stuff, but the Code Of Hammurabi won't get us anywhere.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Atheist Mom, you're a liar.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Scroll down through the comments for some good ol' fashioned christian love.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Reason

      So if some Christians are being arrogant, does that mean us Atheists should be the same? Or should we instead teach and show them we are more grown up and tolerant?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
  3. Non-Christians are Losers!

    " Congrats Julie. The more you talk, the worse you make all christians look. People like you are destroying your religion. How does it feel? "

    Christianity is the world's largest religion with 2.2 billion + followers and is the dominant religion in the western world, and is growing rapidly in second and third world countries for people seeking and realizing the truth, love, paradise, comfort and faith.

    The holy Bible is the most famous and most sold book, and millions and millions of people worldwide read and use it daily. Christians have done so many great things in the world, and are known for being top talented and most tolerant people.

    We have an awesome main leader as well, including great holidays, culture, etc.

    August 15, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'Non-Christians are Losers!' is an instance of the circu-mstantial ad hominem fallacy with additional ad hominem and ad populum elements. .

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      August 15, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Wow – Fallacy Spotting beat me to it.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
  4. jason

    Christians hate, but by the definition that people use, these atheist groups are hating Christians. Double Standard – no room for logic here it's all about feeling based propaganda

    August 15, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • manbearpig

      There's one little thing you are failing to take into consideration: christians are charged by their god to love others. Atheists, of course, are not. And I have no problem hating on anyone who thinks people should be put in concentration camps for tortured and burned for eternity.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Reason

      ^ Wrong

      Just because we have no God or no faith to tell us we have to love one another like Jesus said does not mean we are evil and bad people with no morality. You make us Atheists look bad.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Reason –
      Seriously? Did you not read what I wrote? I said I am not charged by any supernatural authority to love everyone – especially those that want to put me in a concentration camp. This has absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of people, nor does it have anything to do with how I treat my fellow man. Stop misrepresenting what I'm saying.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Sawmills

      If you're a true Christian, then you won't act like that! (Very rarely) But what people need to know is that Christians aren't perfect either, but we try to live good, loving lives trying to help others!

      August 15, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Sawmills –
      That's a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. The truth is that those that are spewing hate are christians too.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sawmill, read TBT's posts. Does it look as though that person is trying to live a good life?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      TBT just addressed another poster as "Sambo".

      Sound like a good person to you? A Christian?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
  5. Hamza

    Yo nonbelievers..... YOU should be feeling guilty for living in the U.S. where the national motto is – IN GOD WE TRUST -.
    When it was added is not a big deal... you have to follow present time, not past.

    Shame on you! Shame on you!

    Move to North Korea! Move to Cuba! Move to China!

    August 15, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's not a 'national motto', you ignorant yahoo.

      Look it up.

      You people hoist yourselves on your own petard.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Feeling guilty is something religious people push upon others. I don't feel guilty one bit, do you feel guilty for your sin?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Reason

      In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States since the 50s, and was to be replaced with the old Latin version.

      I'm an Atheist BTW. Let's not be ignorant, even though we hate to admit it.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you are such a dolt that you don't realize that nobody in this country is required to believe in your god or any god at all, you need to go read the Const itution and figure it out.

      I don't have to "move" anywhere. I have just as much right to be here as you do, and just as much right to reject your superst t itions as you have to hold them.

      Get over it. If you want to live in a country where all are required to live according to religious dogma, I hear Iran is lovely.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Jestin

      Iran is an Islamic country with Sharia Law.

      Christians do not have any Sharia Laws and are different from Islamic view (Even though they come from Abrahamic faith).

      August 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Denise

      Tom Tom, great post. Right on.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Reason

      Tom @

      Yes, everyone is free to worship any religion, or not a religion, according to the const itution.
      However, In God We Trust, is still the national motto of the U.S. since 1950s.
      90+% still believe in God unfortunately.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • billdeacons

      The expression "In God We Trust" is used to ratify the first sentences from the Constiitution which say "..all men are endowed by their Creator.." The meaning is that our rights are bestowed by God and not by the government. Therefore, the government is not permitted to renounce them. The rest of the Constiitution describes the mechanism whereby the government rules by our consent and only to the limit to which we restrain it.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Billdeacons

      which "Const'tution" is that?

      I thought it started with "We the people" and there are no Gods or creators in it anywhere.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Biildeacons,

      you do know that Jefferson's first draft of the DOI did not include the word 'creator' at all don't you.

      I think we can reasonably expect that it was included to satisfy one of the other four committee members. (Probably not Franklin unless he was being ironic or sarcastic.)

      August 15, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Reason, "in god we trust" was adopted as a result of the communist scare. it replaced "e pluribus unum". Not even a close approximation. If you want to consider that as evidence that we are a theocracy, you just go right ahead.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      And of course "under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance two years earlier in 1954.

      Those Godless commies! They'll take over the minds of our children if they don't pray at the altar of divine American Exceptionalism every day.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Reason

      Tom @

      Exactly. No, we are not a theocracy nation; however we could all agree that the U.S. is partially a Christian nation to some extent. The U.S. government do favor Christian over another religion, perhaps maybe because they are 80% of the population, while next biggest religious group are Jews/Judaism at only 2%.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Reason, what "favor" are you talking about?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Reason,

      Here's the 2007 data:
      http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

      If you combine atheists and agnostic (4% total) we're a bigger group than Jews or Mormons (1.7% each)

      August 15, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • billdeacons

      My mistake GOP. I confused teh Constiitution with the Declaration of Independence:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

      August 15, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The DOI is a wonderful bit of writing, billy. It has nothing to do with law.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      And Jefferson's original version before the committee got to it:

      We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent; that from that equal creation they derive in rights inherent & inalienable among which are the preservation of life & liberty & the pursuit of happiness;

      Mostly borrowed from George Mason and either way it's not the law of the land.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • billdeacons

      I didn't say it was the law. "In God We Trust" refers to the statement ..."endowed by their creator..." The idea being that the American experiment is rooted in the premise that government does not grant rights. They are inalienably bestowed on man by his Creator. Play with the words however you choose, but until this nation was founded, no form of government had been based on a government limitred by it's citizen's and their relationship to their God given dignity as envisioned in the Declaration and ratified in the Consti<tution. Geez you guys will argue about the least little thing.

      August 16, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @billdeacons,

      We're really not arguing about the least little thing. This discussion is to me one of the most important and relevant conversations in all the junk that goes on here and I'm answering you because I (generally) respect your posts.

      There is a movement to revise the enlightenment era to be reinterpreted as h0mogeneously religious. Some of the founders were certainly religious but many looked at their world without the trappings of religious orthodoxy – particularly people like Jefferson, Franklin and even to a certain extent, Adams. Yet they lived in a climate where religion was a part of the state apparatus. Religious tests (swearing on your faith) were mandatory for government positions.

      You make the claim that this nation was founded in the context of a "relationship to their God given dignity as envisioned in the Declaration and ratified in the Const'tution"

      We can agree to differ on the DOI, but 'God given dignity' is categorically NOT either ratified or even mentioned in the Const'tution. That is what is so remarkable. In a world where religion was the state and the state was religion, the founders created a new country without religion at the core. That is truly amazing yet so many contemporary Christian apologists want to take that away from us because it conflicts with their worldview that we are a "Christian" country.

      This is wrong – not just factually inaccurate but disengenuous, and that's why this topic is so important, and not just the silly ad hominem bickering that goes on her most of the time.

      The Declaration of Independence is not our founding docvment. It was a tract intended to really p'ss off the British and force the signatories into a position where they couldn't back down in the struggle that was to follow. Having signed the tract, their lives depended on the revolution succeeding. Everyone focuses on the preamble, but the rest of it comprises one of the most ridiculous obliquies ever held up to veneration.

      You position that the United States is the first government limited by its citizens and their relationship to their God given dignity.

      It is not. It is much more amazing that that.

      It is the first government of the people, by the people, for the people with NO reference to a higher power. And that is truly amazing.

      August 16, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  6. Orwell

    Welcome to Atheist Animal Farm

    Guess who the pigs are in this fable?

    August 15, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

      Sounds like John Ryan's budget and Mitt Romney's business practices.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Orwell

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7zwO88nRH8&w=640&h=360]

      Yes. That is one of the natural consequences of an Atheist philosophy that attempts to create its own morality.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
  7. jason

    America is going down the tubes, lets wave our middle finger at God a few more times, yeah, not going to work out very good no matter what you say, feel, or think

    August 15, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When you start to think, notify the media.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Hey Jason, what God are you talking about?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • billdeacons

      I thuink he is talking about the one you are flipping off VA

      August 15, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • sam stone

      why do you feel that america's "going down the tubes" is somehow related to few and fewer of us accepting (your version of) god?

      August 16, 2012 at 4:13 am |
  8. Lore

    People have always used religion, philosophy and country and culture to justify their bigotry and hatred. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with those things, it means there's something wrong with those people. Leviticus says to stone people to death and Matthew says to love your neighbour as yourself. The Bible has good and bad things. The Talmud says "He who has saved one man, it is as if he has saved the world". There are good things in religious texts that we can learn from. You can throw the baby out with the bathwater if you want to, but you can't tell other people what to believe or not believe. I'm Pagan, I don't have a religious text. I don't care if you're Athiest, Christian or Buddhist or whatever. I just think it's important for us all to respect each other because we share this world and that isn't going to change.
    I can agree that religion has no place in politics.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Well that's the issue, isn't it? If religion is forced on everyone through politics everything is fine and dandy. Until then, we have a problem.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Should read:
      "If religion isn't forced..."

      August 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • billdeacons

      There is a difference between a state mandated religion and religious people expressing their vote

      August 15, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How does one "express a vote", billy? Is it like expressing your dog's anal glands?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Tom don't you get into enough meaningless arguments without picking a fight all the time?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Can't answer the question, can you, BillBored?

      August 15, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • Fine Dining

      Tom, Tom:
      August 15, 2012 at 9:22 pm

      Barf!... and I was just getting ready to sit down for dinner. Thanks a bunch.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
  9. Tina

    HeavenSentUnhealthyUntruthToldSayin, does your Jesus wear a thong?

    Come on, answer up, no more avoiding the question.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Shut up Tina, you ignorant slit

      August 15, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Tina

      How very Christian of you to say that, little Bill. And you are very little, aren't you.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
  10. Albert Leo

    Attacking someone's religion is like insulting his kids. Even if they are ugly and dumb, you aren't going to accomplish anything by saying so.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Albert Leo

      true enough. I understand why sometimes people can't help themselves, but that doesn't mean it is effective in any way.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Perhaps it's time to drag poor Mr. Einstein out again.

      “The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer.” – Albert Einstein

      August 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  11. Julie

    Atheists should be put in concentration camps to learn a good lesson.... or we should send them all to Islamic nations with Sharia Laws, then maybe perhaps they will realize their big mistake and see how wonderful, loved and tolerant Christians are to them, compared to Muslims.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • manbearpig

      "Atheists should be put in concentration camps..."
      Julie, you are a false christian. You are a terrible example of everything that is wrong with the world. You are the reason why everyone is fleeing your supposedly "kind and loving" creed. I sincerely hope you die in a car accident.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Julie

      "I sincerely hope you die in a car accident"

      – Yepp, that truly shows how Christian loving and friendly you are wishing for bad stuff.
      Go to hell and I hope you die in a slow and painful cancer throat death

      August 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Well, isn't this special?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Lo

      ^ Pig @ Remember when you wish for bad stuff happening to people – something terrible will most likely happen to you or your family. Karma!

      August 15, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Julie –
      I am not a christian. I do not love you. I really think the world would be a better place if you were dead.
      Your religion charges you with loving others. I do not hold the same views. Therefore, you are a false christian, and you hold to your beliefs when it's convenient. Congratulations, you are an utter failure. Please kill yourself.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Lo –
      I also don't believe in karma. But I'll rephrase if you like:
      "Julie, I won't actively wish for you to die in a fiery car accident, but I will be pleased if it happens."

      August 15, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Bob

      Julie is a troll, and a particularly ugly one, at that.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Julie

      ManbearPig

      You are the biggest bi.got moron on Earth. I must feel bad for your alcoholic abuse parents who raised you in a poor and unhealthy way filled with hate and crime, that's why you wish bad stuff for people (you started).

      May God punish you very bad and I hope you and your family DIES.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Julie, dear, pray tell: what is a cancer throat death?

      Are you 13, or only 12?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Tina

      Julie is a 60 year old virgin with the mind of a young 10 year -old.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Congrats Julie. The more you talk, the worse you make all christians look. People like you are destroying your religion. How does it feel? If you're wrong, you look like a hypocritical retard. If you're right, you're burning in hell for being a false Christian. And either way, you're destroying your religion in the process. Well done!

      August 15, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ooops. I posted too soon–before I saw your most recent little dump, Julie. It appears I have overestimated you. You're obviously no older than 9.

      Hahahhahahha! "Bad stuff, dude!"

      August 15, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I'm still waiting for them to damn each others pets for eternity.

      Where's tbt? He's usually up for that sort of thing.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • manbearpig

      GOP –
      Sorry man, but as far as I'm concerned the world would be a better place without everyone who thinks any person should be put in a concentration camp.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @manbearpig,

      Oh I understand, really. It's way, way out of line. She hoisted herself on her own petard with that one.

      All full of Christ's love for her neighbors and turning the other cheek etc.

      Maybe it's clichéd, but I like Matthew 7:5 for such as these:
      You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
  12. Agnostic

    F/U/C/K Atheits and Religious fanatics. Both are equally bad.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Worse still are those who can't spell "atheists".
      What makes you any better genius?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • Julie

      Here we go again with the spelling that atheists try to defend themselves..

      August 15, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Julie –
      As an atheist I, at least, am capable of defending my beliefs without intellectual dishonesty. You are not.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Lo

      ManPig:

      At least on judgement day you will most likely suffer in hell fire, not me 🙂

      August 15, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Lo –
      Threatening me with torture, then adding a smiley face? You are also a false christian. If there is a hell (there isn't), you'll be burning with me.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • TR6

      I’m not so sure about that. When was the last time you heard about an atheist killing a christian doctor or an atheist suicide bomber or an atheist telling someone they are going to hell?

      August 16, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  13. truth be told

    Judgments executed in the Old Testament should serve to warn future generations that there are consequences for sin. Nothing is being rewritten, nothing has changed which when you finally find out you will never be that unhappy again.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
  14. Hamza

    atheists in this nation are very embarrasing.... America is known for being faithful nation and atheism do not belong here.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • truth be told

      AMEN

      August 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Hamza –
      You clearly don't understand the first thing about America. Try taking a history class...maybe then your comments will be (slightly) less retarded.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Hamza

      Have you perhaps read our national motto?

      Hint: Check back of your dollar bill.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Hamza –
      Again, take a history class. You might want to look into when that phrase was put there. Retard.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What's really embarrassing is that idiots like you, Hamza, can quote the motto that was added to the dollar bill but can't spell "embarrassment".

      August 15, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  15. .

    Few 100% true Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things:

    † Atheism is a religion that makes you angry, stupid, brainwashed, ignorant & blind.
    † Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
    † Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet atheists)
    † Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
    † Atheists are misguided and causes problem in our religious & public society.
    † Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
    † Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
    † Atheism making you agree with Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler (denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders who killed religious people because of their religious cult!
    † No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
    † Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
    † Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
    † Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
    † Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
    † Most atheists are uneducated... No atheists could run for presidency.
    † Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
    † Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
    † All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
    † The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
    † Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
    **Only 2-3% of the U.S. are atheists/agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**

    † † Our Prayers goes to atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator † †

    PS! the USA is a † nation and will always be. You know it's true and stop being ignorant and arrogant!
    (Take a look at our federal/state holidays, 99% of our presidents, blue laws in parts of the nation, name of some cities/counties/streets, the majority of people, some laws, calendar, culture, etc.)
    http://rightremedy.org/tracts/7.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Troll-la-la-la-lol.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Observer

      Why spam out such IGNORANT nonsense?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Dana

      Religion is unhealthy for little boys butts.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind. -LIE
      Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated. -LIE
      Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists) -LIE
      Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle. -LIE
      Atheists causes problem in our religious society. -LIE
      Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith. -LIE
      Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise. -LIE
      Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders. -LIE
      No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider' -LIE
      Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime. -LIE
      Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet. -LIE
      Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people. -LIE
      Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved. -LIE
      Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency. -LIE
      Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history. -LIE
      Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists. -LIE
      All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals. -LIE
      The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20) -LIE
      Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism! -LIE

      It just goes to show that Christians can’t even follow one of the basic Ten Commandments by posting all these lies. What a hypocrite

      August 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  16. TheVocalAtheist

    You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it walk on it.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
  17. tingle007

    Oh look it's this argument again. Internet warriors to your keyboards.

    August 15, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • manbearpig

      I've been training my fingers for this moment...

      August 15, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Should have been training your mind

      August 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Well, my fingers do what my mind tells them to. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Billd,

      well played sir. That quip was entertaining.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things-

    August 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • Observer

      Still afraid to answer questions?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • truth be told

      God has not given us a spirit of fear. Where is your question?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • Observer

      Why is atheism not healthy for living things like watermelons?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • Tina

      HeavenSentUnhealthyUntruthToldSayin, does your Jesus wear a thong?

      Answer up, no more avoiding the question.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • manbearpig

      Observer –
      I think it's likely that all watermelons are atheist.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • Observer

      If watermelons repent, can they get to heaven?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • truth be told

      atheism destroys the very creation God gave to man, over a billion people have been murdered by atheists in the last 100 years alone. Atheists that tainted life and destroyed anything in their selfish pathway, including watermelons. Give a garden to an atheist and invite famine to the entire world.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • truth be told

      Nothing created by God can be foolish enough to be atheist including those who think they are.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Did that make sense to you when you typed it?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • manbearpig

      tbt,
      Actually, religion rejects the most important thing man has: his mind. Without it, we would never be where we are. Most people use logic and rational thought for everything they do in life (except you probably – you seem to be a little slow). Atheists just apply the best part of us to all aspects of life rather than almost all. We are slower and weaker than many species on this planet, yet our beautiful brains allow for our position of dominance. YOU are the one turning away from what makes our species great.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • truth be told

      Yes it makes sense.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Then you're delusional.

      When are you going to answer the question, Tube? Is it okay to kill children who misbehave? The bible says we are to do so. Are you disagreeing with the bible?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      It makes sense that tbt doesn't know what the word 'sense' means. I'm pretty sure to him it means something between a state of sedation in a mental ward and being gummed by a toothless carnie through a glory hole in a gas station restroom.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When his god was giving out sense, TuBeTop thought he said "tents" and said, "No thanks, I'd prefer a room at the loony bin."

      August 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Dana

      "Prayer changes things"

      Yes, it makes you look silly.
      Religion is unhealthy for young altar boys.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year–old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      August 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  19. Observer

    The religious fanatics that are now killing people seem to be following all of the commands from God in the Bible when he set up all the rules the way he wanted.

    August 15, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • truth be told

      God has set aside judgement till the last day. Those, today presuming to act as agents of God are mistaken.

      August 15, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Observer

      They seem to be following all the mindless commands to kill people that God requested for thousands of years before Jesus got God to change his mind and all the rules.

      August 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • truth be told

      God did not change His mind, judgement is deferred until Christ returns. Old Testament judgement was often deferred for hundreds or thousands of years as well .

      August 15, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Observer

      truth be told,

      God said to kill unruly kids. Is that still in effect? Yes or no?

      Get serious.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      "...today presuming to act as agents of God are mistaken."

      Including those who presume to speak for god

      August 15, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • truth be told

      Those who sin die spiritual deaths that will not take effect until judgement, a delayed sentence from our time limited point of view. There is a second death.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Observer

      truth be told,

      You didn't answer the question.

      God said to kill unruly kids. Is that still in effect? Yes or no?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • truth be told

      The answer was explained to you 'the wages of sin are death.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • Observer

      truth be told,

      Is English a foreign language to you? You didn't answer the question.

      God said to kill unruly kids. Is that still in effect? YES or NO?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • truth be told

      Gods followers are instructed to speak on Gods behalf. How lovely on the mountaintops are the feet of those who bring the gospel. How shall they hear except they are taught.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • Observer

      truth be told,

      It's a really simple question. As someone who is supposedly highly religious, could you answer a very simple "yes or no" question about the Bible? Just ONE WORD is needed. Save a lot of typing.

      God said to kill unruly kids. Is that still in effect? Yes or no?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What's the matter, TuBeTop? Cat got your tongue?

      Afraid to answer with the truth?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • truth be told

      all Gods laws are still in effect. Sentences will be carried out at the return of Christ.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So God didn't tell people to kill unruly kids? Are you trying to rewrite the bible now, Tube?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • fred

      Your word says an eye for eye but I say love your enemy.
      Note the difference between mans words and Jesus "but I say love"

      August 15, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Observer – Here is where you will find the answer. Close your eyes, look into your heart and ask God, "What does this mean?" Then report back tomorrow on the thoughts that come to you

      August 15, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • manbearpig

      billdeacons – been there, done that. Nothing happened. Now how about a straight answer from a true follower?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • truth be told

      @bill deacons
      these may be so soul dead that they cannot communicate with God at all.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • manbearpig

      tbt –
      So your god of eternal forgiveness and salvation ignores us when we seek him. He sounds like a d1ck. Why would I worship an @sshole like that?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      @manbearpig – God isn't a dick. God just isn't. In the immortal words of Jessica Rabbit "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way..."

      August 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • manbearpig

      He sure seems like a dick. I mean, the whole murdering babies thing isn't so cool. Neither is the kill-almost-everything-with-a-huge-flood strategy.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • truth be told

      There is a point God says no more, reprobate you might be unable to ever reach God until your final damnation based on your hatred toward Him. You may be given over to a depraved mind like so many here appear to be. Living dead awaiting the final judgement and eternal torment lost and alone in the lake of fire, after witnessing the glory you have forsaken.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • truth be told

      Nope wrong as usual hawaii.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you're afraid to tell the truth about what the bible says regarding children?

      Thanks for admitting it, Tube.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • truth be told

      Oh tom tom I forgot you were there – you may go now.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I may. Or I may not. I think not.

      Why are you such a coward? Afraid? I thought your god would protect you.

      Is it all right to kill children who are disobedient, Tube?

      Are you going to lie some more and prove what a dishonest little oinker you are?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • billdeacons

      So man bear asks God what the meaning of the scripture he reads which says "kill your children..." or some such and doesn't get an answer? Man if I were that disconnected I'd be an atheist too. God bless brother.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • manbearpig

      billdeacons –
      Well then you must know the answer. Share with us. What does it mean? It seems to me that it means "kill your children is they are disobedient". Maybe that's a bit of a stretch...
      You still can't give a straight answer. Some christian you are.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      What they want to say is "Yes, if your kid's are disobedient towards you then it's an offense to God and they should be stoned to death by you and the men of the city." They think because Adam ate some ancient fruit that we are all deserving of violent deaths and eternal torment unless we beg for our lives from their Lord and Master. Just being born was enough to get us sentenced to a fiery afterlife unless we get on our knee's and lick the boot's of their supposed God's messengers. And the fact that you happen to value the life of your child doesn't mean squat because they want to see your child burn forever if he doesn't obey their religious tradition's that masquerade top down morality and Pius pomp.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  20. truth be told

    allah is not God allah is an idol a false god. There is no connection between allah and the God of the Bible.

    August 15, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • niknak

      And you have proof of this how?
      Just cause you say so?
      How do you know that the muslims don't have the right god, out of the thousands that have been invented?
      Maybe they are the ones who will go up to heaven when the rapture comes?
      Since you have no proof of your god, then maybe it is not the correct one.

      August 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @niknak

      Don't expect any kind of coherent answer.

      August 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • truth be told

      There is one God and thousands of idols, you have already been told where allah belongs.

      August 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • truth be told

      @hawaii guest
      voice of experience again, not all people act as you do.

      August 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @tbt

      Hmm, considering that your response consisted of reasserting your post, then giving an irrelevant ad hominem, I'd say you're doing a fairly good job of giving credence to my posts.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • truth be told

      basic Truth, sorry it escapes you.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • niknak

      Guess you were right Hawaii.
      But what can one expect from a herd animal anyway?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • fred

      There is reason to believe only one belief is correct in that the teachings themselves eliminate the other considerations. If the teachings are wrong they cannot be the true path.
      Goodness is truth perfected thus the question boils down to what is good. Jesus claimed to be the full representation of God. Find what is not good in Jesus and you will find a reason to discredit Christ. Otherwise Christ represents the way the truth and the light. This eliminates all other beliefs from consideration.
      What is not good in Jesus?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, the OT and NT are loaded with evils and horrid instructions and acts by your god, who is claimed to be one and the same as Jesus. So, have a look at these nasty bits from your nasty Christian textbook, just to get started:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      August 15, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • truth be told

      Judgement is not evil it is justice, a justice you should learn from bob since you are aware of it you have no excuse.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      Jesus did not say anything of the sorts mentioned as those were all accountings from a people that did not know Jesus. I am the way the truth and the light said Jesus so stick with what Jesus said not the thoughts of others.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Jesus in John 14:12 & Mark 16:17-18 said: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth in me, the works that I do shall he also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

      So fred, are you able to walk on water, cast out demons, change water to wine, and other miracles? If not, then jesus lied, and lying is bad right?

      August 15, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • manbearpig

      hawaiiguest –
      Actually, apparently the policy of Christians when it comes to quoting the bible is as follows:
      "Rule 1: Quote the bible as often as possible when it reinforces your previously-held views. This also makes you look very devout and, by association, kind and loving.
      Rule 2: Flee from any sort of discussion about the myriad nasty parts of the bible. After all, it's god's word, and we can never understand god. How can you be expected to defend his megalomania? This makes you look very humble and, by association, kind and loving."

      August 15, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @manbearpig

      I find it's more along the lines of:
      "The bible means what I want it to mean when I want it to mean that, and no matter what I'll be able to feel superior to anyone else and can make the judgement of who actually believes what."

      August 15, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • fred

      Hawaiiguest
      Regarding John 14:12 you cannot take verses out of context. The context is because I am going to the Father and I will do whatever you ask in my name so the Son may bring glory to the Father.
      1)“in my name” is being in Christ that brings glory to God. I cannot walk on water because that would in no way brings glory to God. I would win Americas Got Talent by that stunt but not bring glory to God with my water walk.
      2)Doing greater things than Christ are the 3,000 that converted at Pentecost and the 1.3 billion Christians today that claim Christ vs. the few that followed Jesus while living.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      Mark 16 these signs did happen during the formation of the early church (as recorded in Acts) and do happen today. Please do not get carried away with comments on snakes and poison as those were warnings that missionary work is filled with danger and the power of Holy Spirit must be present to protect and guide missionaries.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • sam stone

      tbt is a troll. f him, her or it.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • truth be told

      faced with Truth hurl an unsubstantiated insult and slink away sambo.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, again, and this time please read it carefully:

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      August 15, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Once again you cherrypick my post and only respond to what you think you can. Is walking on water the only thing I pointed out? How about exorcising demons? Or how about healing the sick? Wouldn't those things bring glory to your god?

      August 15, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      truth be told:
      faced with Truth hurl an unsubstantiated insult and slink away sambo.

      --–

      "SAMBO"? Tell me you didn't just call someone "Sambo", you racist little twerp.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Perhaps we'll see the 'n' word next? (And I don't mean 'nerd'.)

      I don't think the WordPress filter looks for it – not that I would ever try.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • fred

      Hawaiiguest
      “How about exorcising demons? Or how about healing the sick? Wouldn't those things bring glory to your god?”
      =>those events happened and were also recorded in Acts just as they happen today but to a lesser degree

      August 16, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Switching the focus once again. I didn't ask when it happened in Acts you dishonest little prick, I said why don't YOU do it, since you obviously believe in Jesus, and according to scripture you can do those things if you believe. Or do you not really believe, and hinge everything on Pascal's Wager? Is that why you try so hard (and fail) with your apologetic nonsense?

      August 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • fred

      Hawaiiguest
      When I fail it is because of lack of faith or wrong motive. On those occasions when God gives me the faith and I am filled with Holy Spirit demons are driven out and the sick are healed.

      August 16, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Prove it.

      August 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      You know what. Nevermind, you won't be able to, and you wouldn't anyway. You will give excuses, and I'll call you on them, then you'll say something along the lines of me believing then I'll get proof (confirmatory bias), then I'll reject that, then eventually you'll just leave and make the same tired arguments on a different article.

      August 16, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      “ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. ”
      =>I could not think of a better way to communicate then that way which God has communicated. I cannot think of a better plan and no one has ever shown me a better plan to usher a bunch of fallen people into eternal unity with God.
      The book (Bible) is written perfectly to lead any that truly seek the truth right into the hands of a loving God. That same Bible is written perfectly that the smartest man on earth will seek exactly what that man truly seeks in his or her heart. You want to find a foolish story about giraffes sticking their neck out of boat Noah built out of gopher wood you will find it but, you will never see the care and protection God provides those who will be brought to higher ground.
      It is the way of man to run with their interpretations that suits them. The Bible is Divine in that it clearly reveals the faults of man right to their face and they cannot see it. Tell me any other way to interpret “I AM the way the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father but through me”. “All the laws of the prophets can be summarized in love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself”.
      Mistakes, man is riddled with mistakes and the Bible was written by men inspired by God. You have a 6,000 year compilation of men expressing revelations of God. These revelations are as seen through the eyes and heart of the writer in a specific time and place. When you boil it all down you have a clear picture of God (I AM) in day of Moses and I AM in day of Jesus. You have Gods plan laid out loud and clear. You have the answer to the origin of life, the purpose of life and a road map for reuniting with God for eternity should you want that.
      However, if you are looking for mistakes in the Bible your heart is not inclined toward God. You will find what appear to be mistakes but are simply dead ends as you move further away from God. That is the Divine nature of the Bible as it reveals who you truly are and where you are truly headed. It works every time without fail

      August 16, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, your argument utterly fails. If the bible does not stand up to critical examination and requires a favorable bias, then it should not be used as a reference for anything, and certainly should never be used as life guidance. Especially, again, when we consider that your nasty book contains such horrid demands and text as these direct quotes:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      August 16, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      “prove it”
      =>ok, get ready and hold onto your chair………………

      August 16, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Dennis

      Fred, imagining a deity such as you are suggesting, rather than working through the solution to a problem is not an "answer". It's weakness, laziness, and/or poor thinking skills.

      August 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      The dictionary contains the word r-ape do you still use it when you run across a word you do not know?
      A common math book contains set theory. Would you use that book to find your way to a new town on a vacation?
      The Bible reveals the plan of salvation for any that want eternal peace. Use it as intended.

      August 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Yes, a plan based on blind obedience and deference. Not to mention stating that our entire purpose of being created was so we could glorify god. Vain, genocidal, narcissistic, jealous, and evil. I wonder if Lucifer was actually the good guy in the story.

      August 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • fred

      Dennis
      I agree with you. When Jesus healed the man by the pool several things were in play. The man went to the pool every time the water was stirring so he was taking personal action to get healed. It did not stop there because he had to pick up his mat and carry on as instructed. In life plans and actions are required. Laziness is negative characteristic.
      Belief requires action. The women caught in adultery was given a way out but then told now go and sin no more.
      Saul of Tarsus did not just sit around basking in the light of Christ he went out and started the Church.

      August 16, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • fred

      Hawaiiguest
      “our entire purpose of being created was so we could glorify god.”
      =>sorry that is the opposite of the truth.

      God created because God is goodness. This is the core nature of God. Goodness manifests itself in love…”for God so loved the world he gave his only son” Jesus said love God and love your neighbor that summarized the law.
      Out of that love and goodness flows creation………let there be light. After creation God rested and said it is very good.
      We were made in the image of God and have love and goodness in us….a gift from God.
      Our entire purpose of being created is so that the glory of God could be in us. Jesus said it best “so that you may be one with the Father as I am one”

      August 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Go to
      http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/biblical-texts-to-show-gods-zeal-for-his-own-glory

      Your own people disagree with you.

      August 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • fred

      Jesus said when you have seen me you have seen the Father. Jesus was the full representation of God the radiance of God.
      The web link leaves me with a sense that God is a demanding ogar holding tight to glory. This conflicts with what we see in Jesus and his direct words. The web link pulls a bunch of verses out of context. The verses stand within their reading but not when blended in such a fashion to present a picture that is opposite of what Jesus paints.
      Jesus gave his life and everything Jesus did was in humble loving submission as a servant. That is the overriding vision of God.
      The web link conclusion is in conflict with the concept of love and goodness.

      August 16, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Once again you reduce yourself to "CONTEXT CONTEXT how do I know? Because I don't agree with it therefore CONTEXT". Tell me, why do you even bother saying anything else, when the entirety of all your replies are "context", and "my interpretation is right because I say it is."

      August 16, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      You seem to be under a delusion that you are the only person who has the magic cosmic decoder ring to the bible, and that everyone should just blindly accept your interpretation as truth passed down from god through you. Talk about arrogant thinking on your part.

      August 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      No magic decoder ring just a mindset that is based on my personal experience with God which is goodness and love. I run into Christians that see God as a cruel fist pounding thou shalt obey or die kind of being or on the other side Christians that see God as a cosmic Santa Clause.
      As I said I find no fault in what Jesus said or did. The words and actions of Jesus is the foundation of my belief. Jesus ties into the Old Testament just fine and so I look at the OT through that lens. My personal experience with God began with the words of Jesus.
      I probably have many minor points of the Bible mixed up. I am most like the criminal hanging by Christ that saw the love of God in Christ and least like the criminal hanging next to Christ that did not fear God. I am just glad the Bible makes it that clear and easy to understand the important stuff. I am relieved that it was not hard or complicated to get into paradise as that criminal found out.(re Luke 23:39-43)

      August 16, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      So you follow everything Jesus said? Do you have a savings account then? A house? More than a single days worth of food?

      August 16, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      Got me there as I certainly fall short .............way short of the expectation.

      August 16, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Nice cop-out to avoid actually practicing what you preach.

      August 16, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • fred

      That is why I cannot be one with God as I am. The Bible says we are covered by Christ so that God no longer sees our sin. This is why we are to be in Christ. We all have the knowledge of good and evil which must be separated

      August 16, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Sure fred, sure. Why do anything the bible says as long as you believe really really hard in Jesus. Talk about shirking personal responsibility.

      August 16, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      You are right, thanks...........there are some areas that I need to get in line. If God can use you to get my attention then making a donkey talk straight to Balaam is feasible indeed.

      August 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      You don't get it fred. And you never will. You are too blinded by religious idiocy too see the bad advice and commands in the bible.

      August 16, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
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