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 A billboard criticizing Christianity is going up in Charlotte, North Carolina, host city of the upcoming Democratic National Convention.
August 13th, 2012
10:03 AM ET
First on CNN: Atheist group targets presidential candidates' faith with billboardsBy Dan Merica, CNN Washington (CNN) - A prominent atheist group is using next month's Democratic National Convention to take aim at the presidential candidates' religion, putting up billboards targeting Mormonism and Christianity in Charlotte, North Carolina. “Our political system is rife with religion and it depends too much on religion and not enough on substance," said David Silverman, president of American Atheists, sponsor of the ads. "Religion is silly and religion has components that are inherently divisive. … There is no place for any of that in the political system,” he said. The billboards go up Monday in Charlotte and will stay up for a month at a cost of roughly $15,000. The Democratic convention runs September 3-6. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories The billboard targeting Christianity features an image of Jesus Christ on toast and this description of the faith: "Sadistic God; Useless Savior, 30,000+ Versions of ‘Truth,’ Promotes Hates, Calls it ‘Love.’ ”
The billboard targeting Mormonism lambastes - and, Mormons would say, distorts - specific Mormon doctrines: "God is a Space Alien, Baptizes Dead People, Big Money, Big Bigotry.” The Mormon billboard features a man in white underwear, a reference to special Mormon garments. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter Both billboards feature the line "Atheism: Simply Reasonable." American Atheists had wanted to put the anti-Mormon billboard in Tampa, Florida, to coincide with the Republican National Convention there later this month. Presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney is a Mormon. When no billboard company in the city would lease the group space for such a sign, Silverman said the organization decided to focus solely on the Democrats in Charlotte. “Presidential conventions are for ideas, not ideology - platforms, not platitudes," Silverman said. "If a person believes stupid things, we have every right to question his or her judgment, and that directly impacts how the nonreligious voter votes.” CNN Belief Blog: Atheist leader hopes to mobilize closeted nonbelievers Some religious leaders said the billboards showed a misunderstanding of how faith works. "That billboard makes the most common high-school error when it comes to atheism," wrote the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and author, in an e-mail to CNN. "It's not arguing against the existence of God, but against religion. The American Atheists need to go back to school on this one." Martin also questioned the language used on the billboard: "And as for 'promoting hate' they're doing a bang-up job themselves with that billboard." Terryl Givens, a Mormon professor at the University of Richmond, called American Atheists "petty and vindictive." “If this example of adolescent silliness is what atheists mean by being reasonable, then neither Mormons nor other Christians have much to worry about," he said of the billboards. "When atheists organize to serve the poor and needy of the world, they will be taken more seriously." CNN Belief Blog: Unbelieving preachers 'come out' as atheists It's not the first time the American Atheists group has released in-your-face billboards. Earlier this year, the group put up two billboards in heavily Muslim and Jewish enclaves in New Jersey and New York bearing messages in Arabic and Hebrew. “You know it’s a myth … and you have a choice,” the billboards said. At the time, Silverman said the signs were intended to reach atheists in Muslim and Jewish areas who may feel isolated because they are surrounded by believers. In addition to the billboards, Silverman said his group plans to stage protests at both conventions. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ELOe3f-hihc
An incredibly soulful performance of a great rock song that seeks to bridge the gap between Hinduism and Christianity is not proof that god exists. Or maybe it is....
Hinduism and Christianity have nothing in common. This song has a beat to make one dance and clap, but it has no spiritual value nor meaning to a Christian who knows Lord Jesus Christ.
And your off-pitch hollering has no meaning for someone who's hindu, Shinto, or Muslim. So?
Think that makes you superior?
Only to a worm.
When you succeed in stamping out god, you will have destroyed mankind's humanity. Man will be nothing more than a meaningless animal, living out a meaningless existence on a meaningless rock in a meaningless solar system in a meaningless galaxy, lost in the meaningless confines of a meaningless eternity. Luckily, you cannot stamp out god. He is a cosmic c.ockroach. The ultimate survivor. When there is nothing, he still will be. Smiling and creating reality anew. He is the mysteries the scientific method cannot explain. The source of being. The source of pleasure. The source of pain. Is it not wonderful to feel these things?
You are free to define god in your psuedo-pantheistic way. Believe what you wish. But don't try to force others to believe it.
So without god your entire universe is meaningless? Your wife, your child, compassion, love have no meaning or value without your god’s stamp of approval? I feel very sorry for you. You must have a fantastically small and empty life if the only thing that fills it is your imaginary friend.
My life as an atheist has much more meaning and is much richer than it ever was when I was a christian.
TR6, without God you would not know, nor would you value the things you say you cherish.
Your sin is in ascribing them to yourself, and not God, whose alone are those attributes, which you claim for yourself.
It is like stealing someone copyright.... You know the penalty for doing so!
How much more it will be for those who think these attributes are theirs and don't give credit to the One to whom they belong, but have claimed for themselves, as being theirs....
When you stand before God your Maker naked and wretched in your own righteousness, then you will see what you in yourself really are, and how much you needed Christ's righteousness, whom you have refused and spurned in your own pride. You'll remember every word of those who warned you, whom you ridiculed and mocked for telling you the truth. I pray that God will shake you up, so that you have time and space to recover yourself, before is too late .
More useless assertions from PRISM. Give evidence for your assertions, otherwise you just continue your self-righteous mental masturbation.
Prissy, what utter nonsense. There's no evidence your god exists much less is responsible for anyone's family, career, home, or life.
You can believe what you want; you don't get to make up facts.
I am – The existence of God
who – is proven by
I am – the existence of Jesus Christ
The is the best "proof" I've ever heard. Most christians just back off when you ask about something simple like proof. They retreat and throw out the whole "because the bible says so" line or mutter about god working in "mysterious ways". But you...you are willing to just throw some inane BS out there. Well done!
Or does it mean this?
I am – The existence of centaurs
Who – is proven by (we agree there)
I am – how tasty Lucky Charms marshmallows are
“But who do you say that I am?”
2357,
Delusional?
2357 –
I say that you are insane.
Who is Jesus to you? Rather, Yeshua the Gallilean who was crucified for his claim to being the son of YHWH? Who do you say he is?
manbearpig,
HeavenSent disappears and 2357 shows up, but it must just be a coincidence.
If Yeshua means nothing to you. There is not nothing for you, but pain. Horrible, horrible pain. Beyond the hardest pain this world has to offer. Pain beyond sensation, pain beyond human imagination.
Please reconsider. I beg you.
Who do I say he is? Some guy whose biographers many decades later attributed a whole host of things to him that he neither said nor did. I also say he's kind of like Dionysus Light.
@2357, why worship such a sadistic, narcissistic, insecure, vain tyrant?
2357 –
Your threats are unconvincing. I am being completely honest when I say that you should probably seek some clinical assistance. You need some professional help for your condition.
Observer –
There are some uncanny similarities. I think HS is really just a good old fashioned hate monger who uses the bible to justify it so it feels better about itself. This 2357 chap, on the other hand – suffice it to say it must take a lot of practice to learn to type in a straightjacket.
Yeshua demonstrated compassion and social justice. He healed thousands and rebuked the rich religious.
He taught the depairing helpless to hope in the good Father who cares.
He promised more life, new life, in a world without lies, without pride or decay.
He promised to recode and reboot the universe so that all hardware would run on forever, including our bodies.
He blessed those who were killing him.
He invites every person to the sublime upgrade to come, pays for and guarantees it with his blood.
His students all vouched for his witness with their blood.
Now why in the world would you curse such a man?
2357 –
"Yeshua demonstrated compassion and social justice. He healed thousands and rebuked the rich religious."
-Unsubstantiated.
"He taught the depairing helpless to hope in the good Father who cares."
-Explain how god "cares". He kills thousands of innocents (including children) each day. He allows the perpetration of numerous horrors, some in his name. He has never demonstonably stepped in to prove his presence and right a wrong. Furthermore, he explicitly orders atrocities (including the before-mentioned murder of innocent children) in the bible. You maintain that he has the power to destroy all evil if he wants, yet he chooses to do nothing. This would make him an @sshole at best. Either way, doesn't seem loving and caring to me.
"He promised more life, new life, in a world without lies, without pride or decay."
-There is no evidence that anything comes after death.
"He promised to recode and reboot the universe so that all hardware would run on forever, including our bodies."
-What?
"He blessed those who were killing him."
-Unsubstantiated.
"Now why in the world would you curse such a man?"
-No one curses him. We just maintain that there is no reason to believe he is a deity. That's all.
Yeshua the Messiah says:
"I and the Father are one" and
"No one comes to the Father except through me."
No one can actually know the person of God except through Yeshua His Son, the holy One of Israel, author of life, maker and owner of all creation.
That he died to validate his statements, and that the Father allowed the killing, is a truly fearsome sign of things to come. Please set aside the biases beneath your rejection, and read the things Yeshua actually said. Get to know his humble character. He wants to give you ALL the blessings of God, and you don't even have to go to a church! (best part, I admit)
God is in the process of killing everyone, true. And it's well deserved since we are born despising him. But here we are, there's still a bit of time. Our life is spirit, pneuma, the indestructable breath of God. He breathed us out in the beginning, and He inhales us all back in. But not all of us desire to return to him. He paid for our way of return with the blood of his child. It's the greatest possible suffering known to man, when your child is killed. If we reject that offer it's true insult warranting vengeance. Suffering is mandated by God for every one of us. It's sole existence is to point to the suffering of God himself at the crucifixion. He's listening for your response, every single day. Why would you dismiss him?
2357 –
See, I grew up as a christian. Went to VBS as a kid. I've read the bible – the horrors it contains are a big part of why I'm an atheist now.
I recommend you utilize some critical thinking skills next time you crack open that bible. Doing do might show you how much of your life you've wasted in devotion to a cult.
2357 –
You seem determined. Delusional, but determined. How about this? I promise you I will listen to you with an open mind. Present your case – tell me why I should believe as you do. If your arguments pass my rational assessment and I realize that you are right and I am wrong, I will convert to your religion. Conversely, you can opt to answer my questions if you don't have much of an argument of your own. The only thing I ask for is total intellectual honesty. Here's the opportunity you've been waiting for. Think of how proud baby jesus would be if you could convince me. Interested?
I think 2357 and Heavensent are actually atheists and they are posting the silliest texts from Bible, just so that other atheists can laugh at it. I mean, none of their comments reflect any sign of sanity! Just a hypothesis here from my side.
Otherwise, I seriously believe they need a shrink.
I yam
what
I yam
-Popeye
@2357: “…His students all vouched for his witness with their blood.”
All your statements also apply to David Koresh leader of the Branch Dividians (who vouched for his witness by choosing to burn to death with him).
that is so deep man! Bravo!
@sumran
If you can say that posts of 2357 have "no sign of sanity" then how deep is the darkness in your own soul? You are double-dead even while you live, breathe walk on this earth!
Oooh, another big pronouncement from Princess Prissy!
No facts needed if Prissy says so.
@manbearpig
Even four years ago I would have engaged with you in laying out "arguments for belief". But since my conversion I've realized that true faith and true conversion are NOT the result of rational thinking. The uttermost rational thinking can only result in materialist objectivism. Faith is Jesus is a supernatural phenomenon that must be performed by God himself. "the words that I say to you are spirit, and they are life" All we can and should do, is hear his actual words with a humbled heart. Do Not go to a church – churches are FULL of distraction and many stop following Jesus BECAUSE of church. Follow along with him, alone, to the cross. If your heart rebels, you must tame it. Sin crouches at the door. May the Lord have compassion on you, as you walk and talk to him in the loneliest place.
@2357
AMEN and AMEN!
Existence of God is proven by the existence of Jesus Christ.
I am who I am
Holy sh1t! Well, there's the proof I've been searching for!
Where can I go to get baptized? I think I'm old enough to avoid being fondled in the process, but I'm still a little nervous...
Seriously, wasn't it Popeye the Sailor who used to say "I am who I am"?
The existence of leprechauns is proven by rainbows.
back in the late 70's i experienced union with god while listening to this song. i don't know if the mushrooms had anything to do with it, but to this day, i consider it a valid religious experience. i am not kidding. it was real.
I wholeheatedly believe that the religious experience you had on mushrooms is precisely as legit as any that christians claim to have had.
Wonderful images set to a wonderful song. It kind of makes this whole argument seem a little silly.
If atheists are so sure that the God of Abraham doesnt exist, why to they hate Him so much?
You surely wont find me spewing invective on Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu sites.. why? I just don't care, their beliefs aren't threatening to me in any way shape or form.
If a particular group comes out with a public policy that I object to, I'll fight it in the legislative arena. They can believe whatever they want.. I couldn't care less.
Now, before you start with "We dont hate God, we hate you Christians shoving your morality down our throats", consider:
1. Your attacks are specifically against the existence of God and His Son.
2. As moral relativists you feel that EVERY rule, of any kind, imposes someones opinion on someone else.. There are no absolutes in your world, everything is opinion, so it's absurd to make a claim that ONLY a specific group is imposing their viewpiont.. in your world, EVERY law is an imposition of a viewpoint.
Atheists hate the God of Abraham because He's the only one that is real..
Chad, does your Jesus wear a thong?
Chad,
Basic logic. The only people who can hate God are believers. It shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend.
Do you hate Lex Luthor for trying to kill Superman?
Sigh. Here we go again, Chad. Other things Atheists hate:
Leprechauns
Unicorns
Centaurs
Reverse Centaurs
Mermaids
Tony the Tiger
Smeagol
Chupacabras
manbearpig,
Good list, but don't forget talking serpents and the Aflac duck.
The Chad is fresh off an intellectual ass whoopin" by LinCA and Rufus T. Firefly and now he's looking for a fresh debate. Notice how he tries to set it up so that HE gets to dictate what the other person thinks. Enter at your own risk. He's easily beaten, but he'll spend tens of thousands of words arguing in tedious circles trying to deny it.
Also:
Captain Hook
Dragons
Mer-men
Aphrodite
Werewolves
Were-goats
Loch Ness Monster(s)...
Root post by 'Chad' is an instance of the Begging the Question fallacy.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
I think there are two possibilities for how this is going to play out.
1) Chad won't even take the bait because he knows he has already lost.
2) Chad is furiously searching Kirk Cameron's website for intellectually dishonest material to share.
I hope it's the latter.
I don't hate god. Hell, I don't even believe in god.
Jesus wrote about the nonbelievers in the following scriptures:
Fool (66)
Foolish (52)
Foolishly (12)
Foolishness (20)
Fools (42)
Fool's (7)
I'll post one of my favorites about the non-believers of the world.
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psalms 14:1
Amen.
HeavenSent
– Matthew 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with their brother or sister will be in danger of judgment. If they say to their brother or sister, ‘You idiot,’ they will be in danger of being condemned by the governing council. And if they say, ‘You fool,’ they will be in danger of fiery hell.” - Jesus
OOOPS!
HS, your book of nasty AKA the bible is also full of other fine instructions like these purportedly from your vicious, hateful sky fairy, so good thing more people don't follow the instructions in that book of horrors:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Observer –
I just had to point out that you just absolutely OWNED HS. I mean, HS is kind of retarded, but it was still awesome.
manbearpig,
Thanks. I have been impressed with your comments, too.
"You surely wont find me spewing invective on Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu sites.. "
I had no idea this was a "Christian" site...
At the top it says "Belief Blog" with selections of "faith now" "opinion" "politics" "culture & science" "leaders" & "journeys"
Still see nothing announcing this as your Christian blog Chad.
And what a racist and demeaning comment about the other religions you "just don't care" about, which is your way of saying, their God's are BS so they don't matter.
@Chad,
Your understanding is limited to say the least. Atheists are NOT moral relativists. Atheists absolutely believe laws are necessary. The main difference is that we believe there is a big difference between laws that address people causing harm to one another, or harm to themselves, versus laws that are simply morality plays out of someone's belief in what is "right", often driven by their religious beliefs. Can't you see how big a leap you're taking when it comes to people's individual rights?
@manbearpig "Other things Atheists hate: Leprechauns, Unicorns..."
Why?
if you're being sarcastic,, in that you are saying that you dont actually "hate" any of these.. Why are you on here all day doing exactly that (spewing invective against the God of Abraham and Christians/Jews)?
If you couldnt care less, what are you doing here?
@Mass Debater "I had no idea this was a "Christian" site..."
@Chad "It isnt,, but that's all you rail against when posting here.. right? that's my point."
@Mass Debater "And what a racist and demeaning comment about the other religions you "just don't care" about, which is your way of saying, their God's are BS so they don't matter."
@Chad "wow.. ok, that's a fascinating bizarre statement on a couple levels
A. you are then calling YOURSELF racists and demeaning, as you do the same thing..
B. you clearly dont understand the definition of racist..
a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
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@exlonghorn "Your understanding is limited to say the least. Atheists are NOT moral relativists. Atheists absolutely believe laws are necessary. The main difference is that we believe there is a big difference between laws that address people causing harm to one another, or harm to themselves, versus laws that are simply morality plays out of someone's belief in what is "right", often driven by their religious beliefs. Can't you see how big a leap you're taking when it comes to people's individual rights?"
@chad "utter nonsense on two levels:
A. atheists are by DEFINITION moral relativists as they do not believe in absolute standards of morality.. read the definition 😉
B. atheists engage in this non-stop attempt to portray any law they dont like, as an imposition of ones morality on another.
that is nonsense, because as I said in the root post
As moral relativists you feel that EVERY rule, of any kind, imposes someones opinion on someone else.. There are no absolutes in your world, everything is opinion, so it's absurd to make a claim that ONLY a specific group is imposing their viewpiont.. in your world, EVERY law is an imposition of a viewpoint.
Here's Chad, having had his ass handed to him in the discussion on evolution. Now he's going back to the moral relativism argument he's already lost to see if everyone has amnesia.
@Chad
Atheists hate the God of Abraham because He's the only one that is real..
Only your version of the God of Abraham though right? The Jews are wrong because they don't believe in Jesus, and the Muslims are wrong because they don't believe he was the son of "the God of Abraham".
for all you atheists that want to somehow dodge the intrinsic association of atheism with moral relativism, see below from asktheatheist .co m
as well, note that atheists seek to impose a relative moral code on others, so please stop saying "Christians need to stop attempting to impose their morals on us atheists", because you do the same thing, it is just an imposition of a relative code..
Now to answer your questions directly:
1. relative (non-absolute) morals are still morals and still have worth and can still be supported. Same with laws, so anarchy is not necessary.
2. Relativists can and do agree on laws by examining their relative merit and picking what appear to be the best ones.
Moral relativism, in the sense your theist means, is the opposite of moral absolutism. Your theist thinks that God has set certain moral absolutes for us, which are supported by His divine authority, and without these no moral judgement can be supported – even the judgement that child r ape is bad and should be punished.
Without being assured of the existence of a particular god as described in some religion, there’s no way to know what the universe’s absolute morals are, if any. This is the relativist position: the moral absolutes are either unknown or non-existent and therefore irrelevant. In their place, we use very similar moral codes – most codes condemn murder and dishonesty, value generosity and compas sion and so forth – but we support them with things besides gods: history, the law, basic human empathy, the reasoning of philosophers (including some religious ones), abstract principles like reciprocity and the minimisation of harm and so on.
@MJ "Only your version of the God of Abraham though right? "
yes, atheists oppose Christians/Jews..
there is a remarkable lack of atheist presence on any of the other theistic viewpoints..
why?
Chad, even if you had a statistical analysis that could measure the occurances of athiest on Christian/Jew opposition as compared to athiest on anyone else opposition, your proposed correlation would not make your particular belieif system any more valid. As to the why, when in Rome, oppose the Romans. Next time I visit Iran I'll let send you a transcript of all of my debates with muslims.
@Chad
You need learn to distinguish between opposition, and disbelief. We don’t believe in all three versions of your god, or any other god for that matter.
"A. you are then calling YOURSELF racists and demeaning, as you do the same thing..
B. you clearly dont understand the definition of racist.."
I used the term 'racist' because of your calling out of specific religions that are almost exclusively practiced by brown people in other countrys and saying you just don't care about Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu beliefs as if they don't even get a seat at your white Christian table of religions to debate.
As an atheist, I do reject your God as well as their God's since there is zero proof of any of them existing, but I do not discount their beliefs and coulture as you do. All religions are equal to me, none having proven itself greater or more valid than any other. I try to love the believers but hate the belief.
"If atheists are so sure that the God of Abraham does not exist, why to they hate Him so much?'
Because their hatred is of spiritual origin. They themselves don't even know why, but they do. They do the works of their father whom they serve, while he makes them believe that they are free!
It is really not hard to understand, but those which God turned over to reprobate minds are not able to see, because the father of lies has blinded the eyes of their hearts and confused their minds! Their pride is their doom, just like lucifer's was!
Prissy, when you kiss Chad's ass, does he moan with pleasure?
@Mass Debater "And what a racist and demeaning comment about the other religions you "just don't care" about, which is your way of saying, their God's are BS so they don't matter."
@Chad "wow.. ok, that's a fascinating bizarre statement on a couple levels
A. you are then calling YOURSELF racists and demeaning, as you do the same thing..
B. you clearly dont understand the definition of racist..
a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
@Mass Debater "I used the term 'racist' because of your calling out of specific religions that are almost exclusively practiced by brown people in other countrys and saying you just don't care about Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu beliefs as if they don't even get a seat at your white Christian table of religions to debate."
@Chad "ouch, sorry again (do you NEVER actually look anything up prior to stating it as fact??)... anyone that thinks Christianity is primarily white, is clueless on the demographics. Do yourself a favor and review this map, note that roughly 1/2 of africa is Christian..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Prevailing_world_religions_map.png
"The very powerful and very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts; they alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
Fundies lack facts, and so they anoint their book as "fact"...a claim that can not be seriously substantiated. Now, I have no problem that fundies believe what they believe...as long as they keep it out of our public schools, politics, laws, government, and workplace.
The fact that education level and tendency towards religious belief are inversely proportional is really quite telling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wBiLrZT3eno
And Elvis LIVES at the 1:35 mark !!!!
What a fantastic song. I had never heard it before. Thanks for sharing it.
I guess the idea of Nirvana is as ridiculous as God. LOL.
Only for the new members of this blog:------>
A one-fits-all billboard:
• There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.
• There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.
prob•a•bly
Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
• There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.
• There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.
• There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.
• Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.
• Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.
Added details available upon written request.
(see also p. 40)
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RealityNot,
Jesus wrote about the non-believers in the following scriptures:
Fool (66)
Foolish (52)
Foolishly (12)
Foolishness (20)
Fools (42)
Fool's (7)
I'll post one of my favorites about the non-believers of the world.
The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Psalms 14:1
Amen.
Religious nuts won't let things like facts and reason get in their way.
Dan, they are blind to the truth and reality.
I love all the wisdom that Jesus teaches.
2 Timothy 3:13-15
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (KJV)
Amen.
HS, don't forget the nasty bits in your book of horrors AKA the bible too. Just to cite a few of the many nasty bits that you are so conveniently not presenting:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
The bible was written by man to scare weak-minded people into being better people and that's fine. Whatever. It makes people look very silly when they actually believe that these stories are true. It's kind of scary actually that people still believe this in the 21st century.
Dana, stick around for awhile and you will be amazed what you read.
The purpose of religion was to frighten those who were uneducated into giving all they had to those in power in the church and the government. It was a means of acquiring power and wealth. It still is.
Dana, Tom Tom is 1000% correct. It doesn't have anything to do with being good. Being good is something we all do, we don't need a God to do good. The religious use it to get control, that's it, nothing more.
I heard a guy on the radio the other day who said that we are all going to burn in a "lake of fire" if we don't join his church. It's unbelievable how they con people out of their money.
Dana might be right about the original intent but making money seems to be the purpose now.
Dana, fear is quite possibly the most powerful motivator. It's no wonder that they use this to get and keep people in their circle. Think about Maslow's hierarchy. religion is designed to provide its adherents with a sense of safety and security, freedom from fear, belonging, and a bizarre means of generating self-esteem (god loves me, he watches over me personally, etc.)
exlonghorn –
That's as good of an assessment of it as I've seen...spot on!
Dana, you can start reading John 1.
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine." Translation: I sit here and drink my good Wittenberg Beer, and the Kingdom of the God comes all by itself." Martin Luther
"Malt does more than Milton can to justify God's ways to man." A. E. Housman
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy". attributed to Benjamin Franklin
Why don't you guys all lighten up and have one?
It's still against the law in some places here in the United States, proven.
And WHY are dry counties still in existence? And why were they created?
@exlonghorn
Are you asking me why? If you are it's because of God.
Yeah, teed that one up. 🙂
They have a good point. Believing these fictional stories are silly and have no point in politics.
Dana, I couldn't agree with you more!
George Washington, our first president disagrees with you.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Washington%27s_Farewell_Address
"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally enti-tled to the protections of civil government. I hope to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality."
- George Washington, 03/15/1790
2 Timothy 3:13-15
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (KJV)
Amen...
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
"these may be so soul dead that they cannot communicate with God at all."
I believe you've got it right. It would take an earthshaking event to wake some of them, but even then many would just curse God. And that's exactly what the Word says will happen ...(Book of Rev.)
Guess that means you admit you're a complete failure, Prissy.
That's okay; I'm sure your Jeebus won't care if you just give up and admit you lost.
CNN's blog is malfunctioning again! The posts are posted on wrong places!
Wahhhhha! CNN is an atheist! It's not reading Prissy's mind!
Umm. Wait a sec. Scrap that. Prissy has no mind.
Tom, how deep is the pit where you allow the poison to simmer inside of you, defiling you inside out?!
Put down the fables and pick up a science book once in a while.
Prisspot, how angry do I make you?
Prism, since you've quote-dumped Revelations on us, let's take a look at some of the horrors that are really in there, and elsewhere in your horrid book of nasty, AKA the bible. Fine stuff like this, from your evil sky fairy, in both NT and OT:
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
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Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Uh oh, Bob. PrissPot is gonna be madder at you than it is at me! Look out!
No, tom-tom, you don't make me angry... you make me sad! I do think about people I encounter here, and it's hard, knowing where they are heading....
But I have no anger toward you... You can get annoying...but that's all!
So strange. What exactly do you think an Atheist would hope to accomplish by cursing at something that they believe doesn't exist?
Ah, so sweet, I see a little kissing here between prism and TT.
@Prisspot: Liar, liar, pants on fire.
You are as mad as a wet hen, you phony baloney.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that earthshaking event. It never happened and never will.
Bob, I will answer you, just so you won't say I ignored you. But I sense the spirit i which you wrote your post, and hav no desire to spend my last hours of my evening writing a post to someone who's gonna trash it. I knwo what the Bible says, I know how God dealt with His peopel Israel and the nations that surrounded them. I know what Bible teaches in OT and NT. But my spending time in writing in depth posts is reserved for those which God points out to me, and I see something in their posts that draws me to them, to write to them of deep things of God which the world and it's people who are walking in darkness can never understand. So, I will just say to you, if you seek God with all your heart you will find Him, and He will reveal to you things you'd never understand on your own. He ways are not our ways, and His thought s ar not our thoughts. HE IS THE LORD. We are His creation. Unless you humble yourself before Him, and see your need for Him, and His righteousness in Christ Jesus His son, you will live your life in darkness and pass on to the next one INTO darkness, apart from Him who created you, into the hands of the enemy of your soul, the one who deceived you and whose servant you were in this life, even though you thought you were free... That's all, my time is up...have a good night!
Prism? Prism? Really, seek professional counseling. I'm not kidding, you're over the edge with this stuff. Get help before it's too late. Never mind, it is too late for you. Bye.
Prism logic = Cult logic
PRISM:
Actually, you didnt address anything Bob said. If your god is perfectly moral, why does he order atrocities? Since you "know" so much, surely you'll be able to answer that, right?
All the atheists, including CNN disagree with George Washington, our first president of the United States of America for those of you that refute his existence too.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Washington%27s_Farewell_Address
"Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."
– Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, 2/01/1800
HeavenSent –
I know you're a little slow, but I don't care what other people think about god's existence – and that includes George Washington. Unless you can provide a convincing rational argument that supports your position I will continue to believe that even if George Washington was a rabid bible thumper (and evidence proves otherwise) he was still wrong about god's existence.
Prism, I'll ignore your personal attacks and drag you back to the facts. Again, here is what your book of nasty AKA the bible says, so deal with it or go away a coward such as you have already shown yourself to be:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
"It would take an earthshaking event to wake some of them, but even then many would just curse God. And that's exactly what the Word says will happen ..."
Those are called earthquakes and are the result of a sudden release of energy in the Earth's crust that creates seismic waves. And yes, I'm sure there might be quite a few people yell "God D a m n It!" when their collection of hand painted Michael Landon gold rimmed collector plates crash to the floor...prophecy fulfilled...
Exlonghorn, you asked "What exactly do you think an Atheist would hope to accomplish by cursing at something that they believe doesn't exist"
There will come a time in not – so – far future when God will deal OPENLY with mankind, and no one will be able to deny that the things which will happen are not "just happening".
According to the signs of the times we're living in, this generation of young people will see it.
There is a war on horizon, but not the kind nations ever fought against one another.
You can laugh like the others do, but when it happens , remember that you were told ahead of time!
The wicked and unrighteous will grow more vile, but the righteous whose righteousness is in Lord Christ, will understand, but the wicked will NOT understand, and will go like dumb herds of beasts to the slaughter ...
Let God's people rest in their trust in Him, but let the wicked be exposed for who they are. That's what the Spirit of the Lord is saying to this generation people, so those who have ears to hear may awake out of their slumber, but the rest... let them lullabye themselves even deeper in their sedated slumber!
It is the mission of the fundamentalist Christian to persuade you to believe.
It is the mission of the fundamentalist Atheist to persuade you not to believe.
The 90% of us in the middle would just like to go about our business and could not care a rat's butt what the rest of society believes. Extremeists on both side look really silly. That billboard looks like it was pasted up by a 12 year old. It reminds me of the "Gays will burn in Hell" signs you might see outside a re.dne.ck church in Alabama.
It's campy and it will definitely get attention.
Think about the intended audience that the advertisers want to reach.
I just want people to use their critical thinking skills and the rest will take care of itself.
2 Timothy 3:13-15
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (KJV)
Amen.
HS, speaking of evil, the nasty textbook for your hideous, evil religion sure demands that you do a lot of it:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
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Yeah? So's your mother.
Not really in the market for any of that stuff. I bet Qingdao is a real pit.
8.5 million in one city.
Truth is good,
So why do so many Christians quote the Old Testament to trash gays? Answer please.
Those are not real Christians or may be Jews.
Truth is good,
So if HeavenSent quotes the Old Testament, she is not a true Christian according to you?
No because Christians are not suppose to follow old testament law... those are for Jews and we are no longer a Jewish sect. That's why we have no kosher, no circ.umsition, no modesty, etc.
@Truth is good
Then what the heck is a Christian?
Christians follow the New Testament !
Number 5 on the top 10 list!
Oops – wrong spot, reposted below.
truth be told,
"all Gods laws are still in effect. Sentences will be carried out at the return of Christ.'
Do you kill unruly children and people working on the Sabbath as God commanded or do you ignor the Bible?
Christians follow the New Testament !
Then why do you quote Leviticus in regard to gay marriage, Tube?
@Truth is good
"Christians follow the New Testament !"
Why?
Christians follow the New Testament !
Number 5 on the top 10 list!
(reposted from above)
Observer, to burst your bubble, everyone is a child of God. With that said, unruly children are the nonbelievers of the world. LOL. Now we know why you atheists constantly point out those scriptures (ROTFLOL).
HS, to burst your limited brain, let's look at the evil that your book of nasty AKA the bible actually demands of you:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
HeavenSent,
"unruly children are the nonbelievers of the world"
Is that why God told his people to kill them?
@Truth is good
Jesus said to follow the law of the old testament ALL OF IT. He also said the most difficult path is the one that leads to heaven. Pretending that you are no longer bound by the law of the Old Testament is the easy path to hell
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."Matthew 5:17-19
"Heaven and earth will disappear before the smallest letter of the Law does." Luke 16:17 (CEV)
What part of “UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR” don’t you understand?
Since Jesus fulfilled the law, He has freed us from the Letter of the law... In Old Testament God's people had to go by the letter of the law, but in the New Testament the laws of God are written on our hearts by the Spirit of God, who has sealed us unto the day of redemption, and who gives us the power to live godly lives, in this fulfilling the laws of God. Because on our own selves we can not do any good thing, but it is Him who does it in and through us, so that no flesh should glory before God , but all glory belongs to Him alone – Amen!