Mohammed retakes top spot in English baby names
August 14th, 2012
12:19 PM ET

Mohammed retakes top spot in English baby names

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

Mohammed reclaimed its place as the most popular name for baby boys born in England and Wales in 2011 - convincingly ahead of Harry, in second place, according to data released by the government this week.

The government declared that Harry was the most popular boy's name, but if you add up the five most popular different spellings of Mohammed, that name comes top.

Mohammed is also the most popular boy's name of the past five years for England and Wales, ahead of Oliver and Jack. It came first or second every year since 2007, the only name to do so.

And it could become even more popular in 2012, given the adulation around long-distance runner Mo Farah, who won two gold medals for Britain at the Olympics.

The popularity of the name comes as Britain's Muslim population is expected to double in the next 20 years.

The country, which was about 2% Muslim in 1990, grew to 4.6% Muslim in 2010, with nearly 2.9 million followers of the faith, according to analysis by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

By 2030, the United Kingdom will be just over 8% Muslim, with more than 5.5 million adherents, the Washington-based think tank projected in a 2011 report, "The Future of the Global Muslim Population."

Mohammed first became the most popular boy's name in England in 2009, then was knocked back into second place the next year as Oliver enjoyed a huge surge in popularity.

Harry, the name of Prince William's younger brother and J.K. Rowling's boy wizard, leaped into second place in 2011, with 7,523 boys given the moniker, topping the 7,007 Olivers.

But the name of the Muslim prophet was given to 7,907 baby boys, according to CNN analysis of Office of National Statistics data. Mohammed, Muhammad and Mohammad were all among the top 100 most popular names, with Muhammed and Mohamed also coming in the top 200.

A total of 37,564 babies have been given a variation of the name in the past five years. Some 36,653 Olivers and 36,581 Jacks were born in England and Wales since 2007. The British government keeps separate statistics for Scotland and for Northern Ireland, the other two nations that make up the United Kingdom.

The 2011 British census had an optional question about religion. Results are expected in November.

At least four different spellings of the name Mohammed are among the 1,000 most popular American boys' names in 2011, according to the Social Security Administration.

Mohamed is the top, in 428th place, with Muhammad in 480th, Mohammed in 562nd and Mohammad in 609th.

The United States is about 0.8% Muslim, with about 2.6 million adherents, the Pew Forum calculates.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Islam • Muslim • United Kingdom

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  1. AmazedinFL

    And the other aspect of it is that all of our politics are now controlled by big business. This is also entirely consistent with Rand's ideas that the 'job creators' could do no wrong and should be unfettered by any regulations whatsoever (which naively ignores the disastrous consequences of when we had no regulation whatosever during the Industrial Regulation, but then again pure ideology need not be hindered by real-life consequences). You may say that Rand would detest the way things are now, but so much of what things have become was driven by worship of the almighty dollar as well as the ability that big business has to influence all of government to the extent that it might as well be fully in control of our government. So we've seen the logical and inevitable outcome of what amounts to following two of Rand's core ideas to the extreme which she herself advocated.

    August 15, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • AmazedinFL

      Sorry–that post was meant to be (another) response to someone else claiming that the author didn't know what he's talking about and that Rand would be against everything the country has become.

      August 15, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  2. You're all a laughing stock

    Haha check out all the jealousy here because Mohamed got top spot, get over it!!

    August 15, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  3. Young Autistic Man

    I do not panic with the name Mohammad. It's just a name. Heck. Mohammad could be also pick out of the boxer Mohammad Ali.

    August 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      He was violently racist and supported both black separatism and the KKK. I'd pick Mo Farah from the list of positive Mohammeds.

      August 15, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Mohamed Ali

      Mohamed Ali was born Cassius Clay, Ali changed his name after joining the Nation of Islam in 1964.

      August 15, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  4. Freetofly

    This article is erroneous at best. This is what I read
    : Harry, Amelia Top List Of Most Popular Baby Names In England And Wales".

    August 15, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Freetofly

      Erroneous! This is all part of the fueling of Islamophobia here in the US.
      The article I read was: "Harry, Amelia Top List Of Most Popular Baby Names In England And Wales".
      Written by Linda Rosenkrantz of Nameberry.

      Just awful!
      Shame of you Richard Allen Greene of CNN!~

      August 15, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  5. Reggie19

    Not my child for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    August 15, 2012 at 11:41 am |
  6. Rynomite

    Sad. If you are going to name your kid after a historical figure, England has lots of better names to choose from:
    Winston (Churchill), Charles (Darwin), Issac (Newton), William (Shakespear), John (Lennon), Oliver (Cromwell), Guy (Fawkes), Richard (III), Arthur (Wellsley or King if you prefer), and on and on. But hey, if you wanna name your kid after a child molesting cult leader......whatever floats your boat.

    August 15, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • Jake-413451

      "if you wanna name your kid after a child molesting cult leader"

      What I wonder is what is it about the abrahamic relgions and their thing for young girls, wel land the preists pernache for young boys. Perhaps they are simply taking after their god, which if their stories are to be taken at face value got busy with a young girl or himself.
      almah – The word in the bible that spoke of the "Mary" does not mean virgin, it means young woman (who may or may not be a virgin). Regardless of virginity we know Abrahamic god likes them young.

      It amkes one wonder, what about Jesus never made it into the bible. Perhaps Mary magdelene was Marty Magdeline, the local butchers son. Wouldn't be the first time they mistranslated it or did a little revision.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Topher

      Wow! What blasphemies!

      August 15, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      A non believer can't blaspheme.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Jake-413451

      What blasphemies?

      The bible is the source for god giving Mary a child. You do know how babies are made, right? It does not say she was a virign when she conceinved, only that prior to conceiving she was a virgin, at least she said she was.
      But who hasn't heard that one beofre.
      The bible uses the word almah to describe her, which means a young woman, not virgin. If we take the bible at face value the god which got her pregnant was at least a few thousand years old. Mary cleary would qualify as young.

      And there is no blasphemy to note the bible has been mistranslated before and misinterpretted and editied by the church. Those are historical facts and speaks to mans' well know fallibility. It says nothing as to any diety.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      Like "Pope"?

      August 15, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      Apparently, knocking up a young girl and leaving the world to deal with the blatherings of the illegitimate child makes some people feel godly. Some subcultures seem to support it

      August 15, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  7. My Dad is my friend

    Who knows... if the demographic changes keep up, maybe the BBC will have to change Doctor Who into Doctor Whussein, the time-travelling muslim. Oh, the possibilities....

    August 15, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Believe me, the BBC already does enough pandering to everybody that isn't white and middle class.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
  8. Jake-413451

    I too would like to honor the memory of someone long dead.

    But I can't say I want to name my child Mohammed.

    Can anyone point me to another person famous for having married little girls and killing scores of people and relying upon their delusions of some imaginary sky daddy to do so?

    August 15, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • My Dad is my friend

      I'd love to see what would happen if you posted your real name and address online with a comment like that, oh cowardly lion...

      August 15, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • Topher

      What are you insinuating? We're talking about the religion of peace, right?

      August 15, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Jake-413451

      His/her inability to defend an idea with only the merit of that idea is not surprising. The quick turn to violence in response to a dissenting idea is hardly new when believers are invovled.

      If they wish to arrange a meeting they can provide the information needed and proof such information is about them, along with an explicit declaration of their desire and we can proceed.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "I'd love to see what would happen if you posted your real name and address online with a comment like that, oh cowardly lion..."

      You want me to post my name and address so you can come find me? rest assured, my .45 is waiting.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • jimmer

      "I'd love to see what would happen if you posted your real name and address online with a comment like that, oh cowardly lion..."

      Don't you dare tell the truth about the founder of my "religion of peace" or I will come cut your head off!

      Fvcking mooselims.

      Biggest barbarian animal pieces of sheet on earth.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • sam stone

      Jake: Jerry Lee Lewis?

      August 15, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  9. Henry James

    Believing and Truth are not the same thing. When you believe in spite of the evidence to the contrary, it just makes you confident and wrong. This closed mindedness prevents you from learning the real Truth. If you do not allow yourself to learn Truth then you are swimming upstream against the current of reality and make your life harder than it has to be. Often it is not you that pays the most for your beliefs but those closest to you. Many times the people that realize you are wrong and do not want you ruling their life and making it worse. I wonder how many families have been destroyed due to sons and daughters being shunned out of intolerance?

    August 15, 2012 at 10:40 am |
  10. AGuest9

    Just like the top US girls' name, Isabella?

    August 15, 2012 at 9:42 am |
  11. L. Johnson

    The US is just taking it's lead from it's Muslim leader Obama...

    August 15, 2012 at 9:00 am |
    • AGuest9

      LOL, and Al Gore had nothing to do with establishing the US Internet, either.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:43 am |
  12. Rainer Braendlein

    I am an adherent of religious freedom. I don't hate any Muslim, but love him, because he is a human being loved by God (not loved because of his religion Islam, but because he is just a human being).

    It is only that the Islamic doctrine is to reject from the sight of the Christian Chuch (I repeat that this rejection refers only to the doctrine, but not to the Muslim people).

    Indeed, Muhammad is the greatest prophet of Islam. Yet, let us consider this simply using the common sense. It is historically certain that Muhammad was a thief, a murderer, a warlord, a fornicator. Is such a beast worthy to be remembered for centuries?

    Dear Muslims, the whole world would accuse the Germans, if they would still venerate the ba-stard Adolf Hitler. Why do you still venerate the ba-stard Muhammad? You act against the common sense, dear Muslims.

    Certainly, some of you may really seek the invisible God, and I wish you would find him. Forget Muhammad and join the Son of God Jesus.

    The historical Jesus was without any sin, and cured people, and gave them a health which improved their lifes. Ain't it much more probable that the real Prophet of God is Jesus Christ. Just compare Jesus' merit and Muhammad's "merit", and you immediately know which one is to prefer.

    Be blessed, dear Muslims, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    (the idiotic crusades were caused by the pope-rat, but not by true Christians; true Christians behave like their Lord Jesus Christ, and are concerned about the soul's health of their neighbours; they would never harm or kill people , in order to spread Christianity)

    August 15, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Wordfilter CNN


      • The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded “waiting for moderation” category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, “t-it” is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like “an-al” thereby flagging words like an-alysis and “c-um” flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also “r-a-pe”, “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, “s-ex”, and “hom-ose-xual”. You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge “of-fensive”.

      • Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments “t-it” and “c-um”. To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on “Edit” on the Tool Bar and then “Find” on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the “Find” slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a “Waiting for Moderation”.

      And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious.
      Zeb’s alphabetical listing

      o “bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN “awaiting moderation” filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the “offending” letter combinations.
      ar-se…..as in Car-se, etc.
      co-ck…..as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, lubco-ck, etc.
      co-on…..as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m……as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt…..as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters…!
      ef-fing…as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w……as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, etc.
      ho-mo…..as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny….as in tho-rny, etc.
      jacka-ss…yet “ass” is allowed by itself…..
      ja-p……as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch….as in koo-chie koo..!
      pi-s……as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      pr-ick….as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe…..as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x……as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t…..but shat is okay – don’t use the @ symbol there.
      sp-ic…..as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      ti-t……as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at…..as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g……as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re….as in who’re you kidding / don’t forget to put in that apostrophe!

      There are more, some of them considered “racist”, so do not assume that this list is complete.
      Allowed words / not blocked at all:
      raping (ra-pe is not ok)
      shat (sh-@t is not ok)

      The CNN / WordPress filter also filters your EMAIL address and NAME as well – so you might want to check those

      August 15, 2012 at 9:22 am |
  13. Mohammed

    stay mad britf@gs

    August 15, 2012 at 8:35 am |
  14. Mohammed

    Quran, Chapter 8, Verse 12
    “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

    August 15, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • Reality

      As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

      24) Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:18am EDT

      BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive-packed car outside a Shi'ite Muslim office in central Baghdad on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding more than 190 in an attack bearing the hallmarks of Iraq's al Qaeda affiliate.
      The bombing on a Shi'ite religious office comes at a sensitive time, with the country's fractious Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs locked in a crisis that threatens to unravel their power-sharing deal and spill into sectarian tensions."

      25) BURGAS, Bulgaria | Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27am EDT
      (Reuters) – A suicide bomber carried out an attack that killed seven people in a bus transporting Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the interior minister said on Thursday, and Israel said Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants were to blame.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Gaijin

      Exactly. A hateul and violent ideology disguised as religion.

      August 15, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Huebert


      I know Christianity is awful.

      August 15, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Topher

      C'mon, dude. That's a sucker-punch attack on Christianity and you know it. How many Christian wars have there been in the last century?

      August 15, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • Huebert


      Yeah it was...I was just being snarky.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • Jake-413451

      "How many Christian wars have there been in the last century?"
      Well does WWII count? I know one side was busy proclaiming it was doing the work of their Christian god. And I wouldn't be surprised if the other side made such pronouncements also.

      Hitler didn't appear out of a void, his attention to the Jews is a logical result of the blood libel Christians had been making for centuries.

      Hitler repeatedly announced he was doing the work of the Christian god, avenging the death of Jesus.

      And it isn't just him, but the German people who followed him into committing those acts with such religious fervor.

      Oh religion, the gift that keeps on giving.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Topher

      Even if I gave you credit for WWII (which I don't) is that all you can come up with? One?

      August 15, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • jimmer

      "Even if I gave you credit for WWII (which I don't) is that all you can come up with? One?"

      Nicely done dooshebag.

      Hitler exterminates nine million jews, atheists, and g a y s in the name of Jesus Christ and you fvcking religious nut bags find a way to minimize it.

      Great, you do understand that this is the mentality that created the holocaust in the first place, don't you?

      August 15, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • jimmer

      "Even if I gave you credit for WWII (which I don't)"

      Hitler was pretty darn clear about the reason he was mass murdering Jews.

      "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

      Adolf Hitler

      August 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • jimmer

      “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

      Adolf Hitler

      August 15, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Topher

      John 16:2-3 “The time is coming that whosoever kills you will think that he does God service. And these things will they do to you, because they have not know the Father, nor me.”

      August 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • jimmer

      "John 16:2-3 “The time is coming that whosoever kills you will think that he does God service. And these things will they do to you, because they have not know the Father, nor me.”

      Do you have any idea how stupid it is to use christian quotes to try to prove that a person who killed in the name of christianity was not christian?

      Are you Scottish?

      August 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • jimmer

      Hitler pretty much nailed it. Your bible commands you to kill non-believers.

      You must kill those who worship another god.
      Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.
      Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.
      Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.
      Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest.
      Kill any false prophets.
      Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed.

      Have you killed a non-believer today?

      If not, you're a lousy christian.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Reality

      Our Asian sisters and brothers have done their share of terror and horror to include the Shintoists of Ja-pan in WWII.

      The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:

      M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

      The Muslim Conquest of India

      "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Centuries……..(Religions/Groups involved)*

      1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

      2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

      3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

      4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

      5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

      6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

      7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

      8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

      9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

      10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

      11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

      12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

      13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

      14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

      15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

      16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

      17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Christians)

      18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

      19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

      20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

      *:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?

      A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

      Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

      A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

      In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."

      August 15, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Topher

      "Do you have any idea how stupid it is to use christian quotes to try to prove that a person who killed in the name of christianity was not christian?"

      How is it stupid? Jesus' opinion is the only one that matters in all the world and He said those people aren't Christian.

      "Are you Scottish?"

      I yawn at your Scottish analogy. Doesn't apply here whatsoever.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Topher

      "Have you killed a non-believer today?"

      You want to tell me where in the Bible those things are? Book/chapter/verse, please.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • jimmer

      "You want to tell me where in the Bible those things are? Book/chapter/verse, please"

      Exodus 22:20
      Deuteronomy 13:6-10
      Deuteronomy 13:12-16
      Deuteronomy 17:2-7
      Deuteronomy 17:12-13
      Deuteronomy 18:20
      Mark 6:11
      Jude 5

      You're welcome.

      August 15, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • jimmer

      "How is it stupid? Jesus' opinion is the only one that matters in all the world and He said those people aren't Christian"

      Jesus said no such thing.

      Someone who thought they knew, what they thought the apostles knew, that they thought jesus might have said, said that.

      And again, using jesus, or the bible in a debate with an atheist is about as fruitful as hammering a fish through a brick wall.

      The bible is very clear about killing non believers. Hitler understood that. He was actually more of a christian than you. The whole "thou shalt not kill" nonsense only applies to other believers. God is certainly cool with killing non believers, as it is pointed out countless times in the bible.

      Hitler was just following biblical instruction in exterminating the non-believers

      He was clearly a better christian than you.

      August 15, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Reality

      Moving now to the 21st century:

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."


      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white, aging hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      August 15, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  15. Arvoasitis

    I'm not sure whether the majority of these blogs are the result of puerility, hatefulness, bigotry or emotional illness. I sure hope they don't represent any religious viewpoint.

    August 15, 2012 at 7:59 am |
    • AGuest9

      The scary point is – they do. What's worse? Walk into a random little church in the rural US. Keep your kevlar vest nearby, tho'.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Amos 8:11-12
      11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

      12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. (KJV)


      August 15, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "Amos 8:11-12
      11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

      12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. (KJV)


      Congrats, you quote words written and edited by men. Next.

      August 15, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • HeavenSent

      all nonbelievers are weak minded, speaking of men, how about what George Washington said (view link)


      August 15, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I like to suck on a goat's dick.


      August 15, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  16. wasso

    And just when I thought Lord Fairfax and Henrietta were the top boy and girl baby names.....one wonders what Rule Britannia has 'evolved' to...?

    August 15, 2012 at 7:42 am |
  17. BLOGmeBLOGyou


    that would be a shame
    if so , i would never go the UK to visit
    than we d have a queen name " MOUNIA "

    queen Mounia
    bwa hahahahahaaha

    August 15, 2012 at 6:41 am |
    • JoeG

      8% by 2030? I really don't think that makes a country Muslim. Still a sharp minority.

      August 15, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  18. BLOGmeBLOGyou

    I d rather name my kid MOUCHE A MERDE , than to call him Mohammed

    August 15, 2012 at 6:39 am |
  19. A priest's penis is not healthy for an altar boy's ass

    Prayer doesn't help.

    August 15, 2012 at 6:34 am |
    • PerceivedReality

      A Catholic priest is forbidden to marry, he attempts to abstain from any se.xual thought or action. I believe the Catholic church is wrong on this policy. A human is a human, no matter how hard they try they will still be weak compared to God.

      I am tired of hearing athiests/leftists/muslims attack the Catholic church because a few preistsgave in to lust, letting it twist their minds. All the people trying that keep bringing this up have probably never attempted to resist any evil let alone make an oath of celibacy.

      Have any of you heathens ever considered the vast majority of priests who live their entire lives as virgins and never fornicate? The victorious priests are an inspiration to me, they have lived in complete victory over their flesh, yet all the lefties and athiest focus on is the few who fall.

      I would like to see any of you so called enlightened people deny your flesh on this level for even 1 year, I bet you would fail miserably in every single case!

      August 15, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "A priest's penis is not healthy for an altar boy's ass"

      That is the funniest thing I have seen on this blog in very long time.


      August 15, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      1 Timothy 4:116

      1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

      2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

      3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

      4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

      5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

      6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

      7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness.

      8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

      9 This [is] a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

      10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

      11 These things command and teach.

      12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

      13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

      14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

      15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.

      16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.


      August 15, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      My rectum hurts, but my dog seems happy.


      August 15, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    August 15, 2012 at 5:44 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

      James 5:16


      August 15, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~

      August 15, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man causeth him to spewith his goop in my face."


      August 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • kindless

      You know, as it turns out, atheism is wonderful for children and all people! Prayer as it turn out, is mostly a time-sucker-upper. Use meditation to rest your mind, and when you need to collect your thoughts, just get a cup of tea and collect your thoughts.

      Atheists encourage people to take responsibility for their actions within society instead of having their misdeeds excused and often hidden within their religion (comforting their weak minds, but simultaneously disserving society).

      Break the matrix of deception by all religions. Break the fallacy of revelation.

      If the thought leaving your imaginary friends behind is just too much, or makes you want to go p00py, then try Atheism Lite™ (agnosticism) for a period of time to ease your way into a much more rewarding, peaceful life.

      It is written. This is my experience. Thank you. RIF


      August 15, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
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