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August 14th, 2012
11:50 AM ET

Romney-Ryan ticket makes U.S. religious history

By Josh Levs, CNN

(CNN) - In selecting Paul Ryan for his running mate, Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has made modern political history: a major party ticket with no Protestant Christian.

Some historians call it the first ever. Others say it's technically the first since Abraham Lincoln. And there is an argument to be made regarding Dwight Eisenhower.

But in any case, "this Republican ticket really symbolizes the passing of an era," said William Galston, senior fellow with the Brookings Institution.

Romney is Mormon. Ryan is Catholic.

It's a trend also reflected in the Supreme Court. Once dominated by Protestants, there are now none among the nine justices, Galston noted. "All the groups that make up the new American population, as opposed to the population of 50 years ago, are now participating on equal" terms, in politics and American society in general, he said.

"It's quietly dramatic."

With or without Romney, Washington’s a Mormon stronghold

For months, it appeared likely that the GOP would choose a non-Protestant for its presidential nominee for the first time in modern history. But the number two slot remained in question.

In choosing a running mate who is Catholic, Romney showed that he is not worried about damaging support among Protestants, "especially those who don't think of themselves as evangelicals," Galston said. "I'm not saying that Romney thought he could afford to take them for granted. But clearly he felt that he could reach out in another direction."

Half the U.S. population identifies as Protestant, while a quarter identifies as Catholic, according to the American Religious Identification Survey from Trinity College, published in 2009. Mormons are at 1.4%, just behind Jews at 1.8%. Muslims comprise 0.3% of the population.

The electorate has reshaped over the last several decades, including along religious lines, Galston said. Conservatives within each denomination have built alliances over core issues that outweigh denominational differences.

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"The old lines between Catholics and Protestants which were dominant in our politics as recently as the 1960 election have been replaced by new lines of division, not between denominations but within them. So you now have a coalition of evangelical protestants and traditionalist Catholics, and Orthodox Jews as well. ... It is a very important fact about American politics today."

In 1960, John F. Kennedy faced questions from some voters concerned he would take orders from the pope. That kind of skepticism is virtually unheard of today, Galston said.

Abortion - particularly the Supreme Court's 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade that women have a constitutional right to an abortion - played a key role in building the new alliance among conservatives of different denominations, Galston said.

"From the standpoint of conservative Republicans, the fact that Paul Ryan is down-the-line pro-life is much more important than the fact that he's a Catholic rather than a Protestant," he said.

People within each denomination who support abortion rights and take liberal stances on numerous issues, meanwhile, have formed similar bonds on the Democratic side.

Romney's success in the battle for the presidential nomination also reflects how times have changed.

Neither major party has ever had a Mormon nominee.

Mormons consider themselves a Christian religion, but a restoration of the early church and therefore distinguished from Protestant tradition. Some Christians do not see Mormonism as a part of Christianity.

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Protestantism began as a movement breaking off from the Catholic Church in the 16th century.

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley says Americans have achieved enough comfort with Mormonism to make room for a possible Romney presidency.

"Are we ready for a Mormon president? I think the answer is yes," Brinkley said in an interview with CNN in January.

The Mormon population is growing quickly, and more and more people have Mormon friends, he said. "It's no longer a fringe group growing up. It's a powerful and important religion."

Mormons have been recruiting Southern Baptists and Methodists to join their fold, making inroads in communities across the country and raising money, Brinkley said. "The Mormon Church is booming when some of the other denominations are struggling for cash and converts."

Mark Silk, professor of religion in public life at Trinity College, said most American voters are "prepared to think about people who are not Protestant to be president."

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On the Democratic side, President Barack Obama is Protestant, while Vice President Joe Biden is Catholic. Obama's race, of course, distinguishes him in another way from the white Anglo-Saxon Protestants who have nearly always inhabited the White House.

A survey last month by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found "little evidence to suggest that concerns about the candidates' respective faiths will have a meaningful impact in the fall elections."

Among those who know Romney is Mormon, 60% said they are comfortable with his religion, while 19% said they are not.

Among those who know Obama is Christian, 82% were comfortable and 12% were uncomfortable.

The survey found 60% of respondents know Romney's religion. Only 49% know Obama is Christian, while 17% think he is Muslim.

While some headlines declare Romney-Ryan ticket the first ever major party ticket without a Protestant, there may be an exception from the days of Lincoln.

Lincoln himself "didn't belong to any church, wouldn't have described himself as a Protestant," Silk said. Lincoln did express a deep belief in a God.

His first vice president, Hannibal Hamlin, was Protestant, according to adherents.com, which tracks the religious affiliations of presidents and vice presidents throughout U.S. history.

In his second run, Lincoln took on Andrew Johnson as his number two. While some sources refer to Johnson having Baptist parents, he "is not known to have ever been an official member of any church," adherents.com says.

Among Democrats, Kennedy; John Kerry, who is Catholic; and Michael Dukakis, who is Greek Orthodox, had running mates who were Protestant.

Republican Presidents Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon were Quakers, and Eisenhower was a Jehovah's Witness but converted to Presbyterianism after his inauguration, according to adherents.com.

The Quaker tradition grew of Protestantism, though Quakers generally reject the Protestant label. Under that reading, one could argue that the Eisenhower-Nixon ticket of 1952, before Eisenhower's conversion, did not include a Protestant.

While the two presidential tickets this year reflect a religious pluralism, it remains centered only on Christian denominations - setting aside the question of whether Mormonism fits a traditional definition of Christian.

Just how much of a chance a candidate of another religion would have at the presidency is another question.

Some believe that Joe Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000 who ran for the party's nomination in 2004, was not hampered by being Jewish. "I don't think that the classic triad Catholic-Protestant-Jew makes a difference at all," Galston said. "Joe Lieberman's candidacy foundered, but not because he was Jewish."

But there has never been a Jewish presidential nominee. And just how a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or member of any other religion would fare is another question.

And analysts agree that voters would quickly reject a candidate who does not believe in God - even if he or she had been raised Christian.

"Whether anyone would accept a professed out-of-the-closet atheist, no," Galston said. "You'd probably have a better chance as a former member of the Taliban."

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- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 2012 Election • Christianity • Mormonism • Paul Ryan

soundoff (410 Responses)
  1. JohnL

    Silence about Mit Romney's religious persuasion it politically orchestrated. What Mormon is there that will vote against Romney? The strange bedfellows of "Conservative Christianity" reminds me of the coalition formed in the Bible against Nehemiah when he rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem. Enemies of each other became mutual friends because they had a common enemy. "Conservative Christianity" in America is a religion of enemies that has coalesed against a common enemy. They are fundamentally and biblically opponents of each other, yet they have strangely formed a coalition to take back America. Read the story in Nehemiah 2:10; 4:7; and 6:1 – This is the new America. When someone comes to seek the well-being of America, he is attacked by Romney-hood.

    August 15, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Len

      Yes, it reminds me of the pact between the Allies and Stalin during WWII. Strange bedfellows indeed! And like that pact, if they ever manage to defeat their common "enemies" then you'll see just how "friendly" they'll be to each other.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:48 am |
  2. Benjamin Zhao

    Don't be a fool, the Protestant Christianity is still the major religious player in this country. The selection of the top political players only reflects the power struggle among different sides of this country. Rather than saying the protestant christian lost their change, I'd like to find out who is truly leading those lambs these days in the US. I'm waiting for more human proof. What is right will get better, what is wrong will get worse. We'll see.

    August 15, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • Len

      "Protestant Christianity" is a pretty broad term, and it includes folks ranging from the Westboro Baptist Church fascists to churches pastored by Liberty University clones, to "mainstream" protestants, the various liberal denominations, thousands of small, basically non-Catholic independent churches and even groups like the Amish. If you want the largest single unified denomination then the Roman Catholics still outnumber the people in the Southern Baptist Convention by a lot.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:40 am |
  3. Charles

    Mark Twain, on the Book of Mormon

    "The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament. The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James’s translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel — half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast. Whenever he found his speech growing too modern — which was about every sentence or two — he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as ‘exceeding sore,’ ‘and it came to pass,’ etc., and made things satisfactory again. ‘And it came to pass’ was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet."

    As always, he nails it!

    August 15, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • hnh

      you obviously havn't read the book. I have and it is not what Mark Twain said. Mark Twain writes fiction and that only. Would you trust him to give you advice on body building, engineering, legal issues or interior decorating? No! Why? He only knows fictional story making and was one of those "crazy-fantasyland" men who love to tell stories and won't shut the hell up.

      August 15, 2012 at 1:08 am |
  4. JohnL

    Why has so much attention been given to President Obama's religious affiliation yet no consideration nor discussion has made it to center stage about Mit Romney's religious persuasion Mormonism? It is strange that "Conservative Christians" are supporting a presidential candidate from a religion that is labeled a "Cult." The Religious Right, Christian Coalition, and conservatives in America need to pay close attention to the belief system of Romney. His philosophical leadership will be directly impacted by his religious belief system. Since there was so much controversy about the alleged affiliation of Obama with a hater of America "Jeremiah Wright", there needs to be a platform discussion about the beliefs of Romney. Frankly his Satanically born, non Biblical beliefs are more diabolical than Islam.

    August 15, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Len

      Why? Because only the religious Right holds a person's religious leanings enough against them to not vote for them. When it's their candidate, however, they act shocked that anyone would dare question a person's religious convictions. It's all part of the attack like a lion while posing as a lamb routine they usually play.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:31 am |
  5. WOT

    God help us make to November! Cut off your TV and all mass media to lay your mind at rest.

    August 15, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      How do you "cut off your tv"? Is it attached to something? Oh, your brain, I see!

      August 15, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Vote Republican

      and you can rest easy.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Rest easy"? On what? The backs of the middle class?

      Not a chance in hell.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      The republicans will make sure the 1% rest easy and really make sure the 0.01% (like Mitt Romney) have the "life do Reilly".

      BTW: I read that Rafalca failed to make it to the finals by placing 28th out of the 32 competing at that point. WOW, that $70,000 "tax subsidy" Mitt got out of the taxpayers was a god "investment". LOL

      August 15, 2012 at 6:58 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Rats, caught by auto correct.
      Should be ...was a good "investment".

      August 15, 2012 at 7:01 am |
  6. Reality

    AGAIN STOP AND READ CAREFULLY !!!

    Romney believes that the horn-blowing angel Moroni appeared to the con artist Joe Smith.
    Not good for someone who wants to be president of any group !!!

    Obama and Biden "mouth" that they are Christians i.e. believe in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan (As does Ryan). BO and Biden's support of abortion/choice however vitiates their Christianity as they are the leaders of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting bloc in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted womb babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39.
    39 x 2 million = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008? 69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM. The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!

    So add this to the history books: Obama and Biden, the first ticket voted into office by the Immoral Majority.

    August 14, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • stormrider2112

      Too bad that the Bible doesn't place any worth on children under one month of age. Also, God kills a lot of fetuses.
      Genesis 38:24 (where it's OK to burn a pregnant woman alive)
      Exodus 21:22-23
      Leviticus 27:6 (also says it's OK to sell your kids into slavery)
      Numbers 3:15-16, 5:21, 5:27-28, 31:15-17
      Hosea 9:14, 9:16, 13:16
      2nd Samuel 12:14

      August 15, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  7. on StreetWise

    Folks, you can't get around it: The first profit of the LSD church, Joseph Smith, put it in the pillars and tenant of faith, said "You can tell a lie as long as you don't offend a church member"... Well, lets see what the other non-members think of the Mormon religion and its trust in the Romoney/Ryan ticket now.

    August 14, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
  8. Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)

    John 8:47-"He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

    John 3:18-"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

    John 8:44-"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

    Matthew 13:38-"The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,

    John 3:16-"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4-"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

    It is very simple unbelievers do not belong to GOD. I know it sucks really really bad but this is the reality of truth. Now atheist you understand why it is impossible for you to believe, it is because you are already condemned. You are blinded by your father. You are not of GOD but of the devil, and the devil along with his seed shall perish forever according to the word of GOD Almighty.

    P.S. “I would rather live my life as if there is a god and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

    August 14, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Reality

      All of John's Gospel is of questionable historic value.

      To wit:

      From Professor Bruce Chilton in his book, Rabbi Jesus,

      "Conventionally, scholarship has accorded priority to the first three gospels in historical work on Jesus, putting progressively less credence in works of late date. John's Gospel for example is routinely dismissed as a source......

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#Authorship

      "Since "the higher criticism" of the 19th century, some historians have largely rejected the gospel of John as a reliable source of information about the historical Jesus.[3][4] "[M]ost commentators regard the work as anonymous,"[5] and date it to 90-100."

      "The authorship has been disputed since at least the second century, with mainstream Christianity believing that the author is John the Apostle, son of Zebedee. Modern experts usually consider the author to be an unknown non-eyewitness, though many apologetic Christian scholars still hold to the conservative Johannine view that ascribes authorship to John the Apostle."

      And from Professor Gerd Ludemann, in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416,

      "Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John. "

      See also http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/john.html

      Matt 13: 38 as per many contemporary NT scholars is a single attestation found no where else in scripture and therefore historically unreliable. http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb411.html See also Professor Gerd Ludemann's conclusions in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 185-186.

      And thu-mping from Corinthians, another passage and said results:

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.

      The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

      p.4

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Lisa

      Yup, EVERYONE knows Jesus!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpMuUTOoCA

      August 15, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      A bible quoter.

      I can do that too.

      Genesis 19:8
      Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

      Or how about this gem,
      Deuteronomy 22:28-29
      22:28
      If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
      22:29
      Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

      Now that's some mighty fine christian family values you have there.
      BTW: There is a lot more like that in the bible. A lot more!

      So go ahead and quote the bible again.

      August 15, 2012 at 6:41 am |
  9. Dyslexic doG

    So with a Christian and a Catholic (Obama and Biden) against a Mormon and a Catholic (Romney and Ryan), Mr. Obama is the only Christian.

    Guess it'll prove that Republican Christians are Republicans first and Christians second when they vote against their faith.

    August 14, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • krhodes

      I am not voting against my faith? I am voting for a president..not a pastor or pope. Lets look at this closer. Romney is not a Christian but he acts and believes as such. Obama says he is a Christian yet he does not act or believe like one and seems to be hostlie to Christianity...hmmm...i think if i were voting on religion..i would vote for Romney.

      August 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Lisa

      How is Obama hostile to Christianity?

      August 15, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  10. collectivedementia

    Can someone tell me when the voting public lost the right to vote for the vice-president separate from the president?

    August 14, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • Obama'saliar

      Late 1800's.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • Rob Walker

      Twelfth Amendment, 1804

      August 15, 2012 at 12:31 am |
  11. SHAWN

    Look it up. Cut and dry. If your mother is jewish, then you are jewish. Therefore, you're suckers for the liars again. Obamas ma and both grandparents are jewish, so he's jewish. Wake up and smell the trickery. His father wasn't a citizen so according to my background in our American History I know that means he's not natural born, or do you just say, "huh uh! Is not! Is not!"

    August 14, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Raghead

      Fricking idoit. "Natural born" means "born in". YOU are the one who needs to do the looking up...that is if you can stop looking up your a$$.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Raghead, unfortunately the credulous and willingly ignorant won't look anything that is against their beliefs that have no evidentiary support.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven
      Powerful

      August 14, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • kindless

      Atheism is not wrote some ridiculous garbage.

      Actually, atheism is wonderful for children and all people! Prayer as it turn out, ismostly a time-sucker-upper. Use meditation to rest your mind, and when you need to collect your thoughts, just get a cup of tea and collect your thoughts.

      Atheists help people be productive and spend more time contributing to society rather than wasting it on make-believe notions.

      Atheists encourage people to take responsibility for their actions within society instead of having their misdeeds excused and often hidden within their religion (comforting their weak minds, but simultaneously disserving society).

      Break the matrix of deception by all religions. Break the fallacy of revelation.

      If the thought leaving your imaginary friends behind is just too much, or makes you want to go p00py, then try Atheism Lite™ (agnosticism) for a period of time to ease your way into a much more rewarding, peaceful life.

      It is written. This is my experience. Thank you. RIF

      heavenSnot

      August 14, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Tailor made for “Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things".

      What oh what apologistic answer will be given. Just can't wait. I am sure “Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" will not disappoint.

      Genesis 19:8
      Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

      Or how about this gem,
      Deuteronomy 22:28-29
      22:28
      If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
      22:29
      Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

      There is much much more just as repulsive like that in the bible.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
  12. SHAWN

    No protestant Christians. Wow! Just crypto jews again huh? ahhhahhahaha

    August 14, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
  13. Answer

    These two lines shows us the fact of religion...

    –quote–
    1) "It's no longer a fringe group growing up. It's a powerful and important religion."

    2)"The Mormon Church is booming when some of the other denominations are struggling for cash and converts."

    –end–

    They speak of the NEED of the common people to a$$ociate. To find solace in a theme and dogma because they afraid to drift on their own. Your religion whichever you currently belong to -if it is dwindling- you the religious person jump to the next biggest group and form your religious ties within it. Never questioning the dogma, but just want the comfort of a group mentality. Is your little suburb of a cult fading? You'll always look to join the more influential crowd.

    You're easier -the sheep- to be welcomed in the fold of the newer sect.. why? Because you're always clinging to that offer. Such pitiful wretches you are.

    August 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      2 Timothy 4:3-4

      3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
      4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (KJV)

      Amen.

      August 14, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Raghead

      HS, please itch between your ears. You will find there is nothing there to scratch.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      A bible quoter.

      I can do that too.

      Genesis 19:8
      Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

      Or how about this gem,
      Deuteronomy 22:28-29
      22:28
      If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
      22:29
      Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

      Now that's some mighty fine christian family values you have there HeavenSent.
      BTW: There is a lot more like that in the bible. A lot more!

      So go ahead and quote the bible again.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • kindless

      HeavenSent wrote ". . . fables. (KJV)" You are correct HS, KJV are in fact fables!

      August 14, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • kindless

      Elmer wrote: "Or how about this gem,
      Deuteronomy 22:28-29"

      Oh Elmer, they used to use that Deuteronomy as a laxative, but it's not even good for that anymore. My oh my.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Lisa

      HeavenSent
      "fables" like the Rapture and creationism? Prosparity Gospel too. Fairy tales really.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:57 am |
  14. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    August 14, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • kindless

      Oh dear, you are crazier than a crawfish trying to get back out of the pot! my oh my – are you taking your meds, dear?

      Of course atheism is fine and dandy for kids and grown-up folk, too. If you're bringing imaginary characters into your meditation, that the sign of a weak mind and can lead to all kinds of things like hiding your misdeeds with some charlatan organization, instead of being strong minded and responsible to society. You need to calm down dear, get some tea and think about all this hogwash you are spreading around.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
  15. Jack

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    August 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  16. dale

    being a little to the left of center, I 'm happy to see non prodestants on the GOP ticket, and a woman last time for VP. I don't like their vision of my country though.

    August 14, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  17. Atheists United for Romney/ Ryan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n6LSpFgxL94

    Who cares whether they call themselves Catholic or Mormon?

    August 14, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Raghead

      Because he said your rights come from "god and nature". Can you not read ? An atheists rigts come from god ? You got none, buddy. YOu can't be THAT stupid.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
  18. A. R. King

    This will really gall those evangelicals, who hate both Mormons and Catholics.

    August 14, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Lisa

      Not if they believe they have this particular Mormon and Catholic in their pockets, it won't.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:51 am |
  19. sean

    I am Catholic but I will not vote for Romney/Ryan ticket. Democrats represent the working class and like Millions of Americans we need that representatiion.

    August 14, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • krhodes

      Represents the middle class....maybe resents...but surely not represents.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • kindless

      I am an atheist, and old, but I know a lot of other old people who feel like you do, sean. They recognize wolves in sheeps' clothing when they see it. Of course that Romney got his sheep costume on all crooked – he's pretty obvious. my oh my.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Faith-Isn't-a-Preacher

      Are you really that blind to how Obama is under mining your Liberty to be Catholic?

      August 14, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Faith

      Lol. Wait, are you serious?

      August 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Lisa

      Faith-Isn't-a-Preacher
      Is Obama forcing Catholics to use contraceptives?

      August 15, 2012 at 12:53 am |
  20. Faith-Isn't-a-Preacher

    These are the obstacles to Tyranny:

    Personal Liberty
    The Nuclear Family
    Community Cohesiveness
    Private Charities
    Churches
    Philanthropy
    State and National Sovereignty
    Private Sector Capitalism
    Private Sector Independent Unions
    'Equal Justice Under the Rule of Law'
    Separation of Powers via three independent Branches of Government

    No wonder Obama is attacking all of these. He has to undermine and malign all of these to surrender our personal liberties and National Sovereignty to the Global Elite.

    August 14, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • dale

      Your List, and your comment. Missing two important, and the only two items on my list. Educated voters with open minks

      August 14, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
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