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August 17th, 2012
11:40 AM ET

Conservatives see Family Research Council attack as more evidence of what they call war on religion

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) - For many conservative Christians, this week's Family Research Council shooting that wounded a security guard and that the FBI is investigating as a possible act of domestic terrorism was hardly a one-off attack.

Rather, they say the incident is the latest evidence in what they allege is a growing war on religion from the left, an offensive they say extends from the Obama White House down to the liberal grass roots and even foreign governments.

“It's easy to brush aside this incident as one act of a crazy man until you consider the past two weeks,” activist Dana Loesch wrote on the conservative site Breitbart.com in a piece titled “A literal war on religion?”

Like other conservatives and officials at the Family Research Council, Loesch tied the shooting to recent criticism of Chick-fil-A, the restaurant chain that recently came under attack for remarks its CEO made that appeared to oppose same-sex marriage. CEO Dan Cathy said he supported "the biblical definition of the family unit."

Conservatives decried the outspoken opposition to Chick-fil-A - which included some high-profile American mayors saying the restaurant chain wasn’t welcome in their cities - as evidence of the purported war on religion and religious liberty.

The suspect in the Family Research Council attack, Floyd Lee Corkins II, was carrying 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches in his backpack - along with a pistol and extra ammunition - and told a security guard, “I don’t like your politics,” before opening fire Wednesday, according to a criminal complaint filed by authorities.

“The Family Research Council is affiliated with Chick-Fil-A,” wrote Loesch, who is a CNN contributor, on Breitbart. “Chick-Fil-A came under fire due to the free speech of CEO Dan Cathy by militant anti-Christian and anti-free speech activists.”

The American Family Association, a conservative evangelical group, also tied Wednesday's attack to what it said was a broader liberal offensive.

"This near-tragic incident marks an alarming turn in our cultural battle over values," the group said in a statement Thursday. "The left’s war on religion and Christianity has now gone from symbolic to literal."

For decades, conservatives have alleged a liberal war on religion, dating the effort to the 1963 Supreme Court decision that outlawed state-sanctioned school prayer.

Conservatives renewed their argument this year after an Obama administration rule that requires employees to be given free contraception coverage in health insurance plans, even if they work for a Catholic institution.

A recent campaign ad from presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney says that "President Obama used his healthcare plan to declare war on religion, forcing religious institutions to go against their faith.”

In a press conference Thursday, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins pinned blame for the attack partly on the Southern Poverty Law Center, which had labeled the council a hate group over its pronunciations against homosexuality.

While saying the alleged gunman was ultimately responsible, Perkins said that he "was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center that have been reckless in labeling organizations hate groups because they disagree with them on public policy."

“The cornerstone of our society is freedom of speech and freedom of religion,” Perkins said. “If we lose those, we lose our future.”

In an interview with Fox News Channel, Perkins framed the incident as an attack on Christians everywhere.

“Terrorism is designed to intimidate, to drive people back and make them fearful,” he said, adding that the incident was designed to scare “the Family Research Council and by extension family values supporters and Christians across the nation.”

Liberal groups said efforts to paint the Family Research Council incident as an attack on religion were disingenuous.

“Religious Right groups have long equated any criticism of their positions or tactics as attacks on their freedom of speech and religion,” the group People for the American Way said in a post Friday on its “Right Wing Watch” site. “Now they are taking it a step further to say that critics must stop calling out their hateful rhetoric and naming it as such. ...

“FRC was not labeled a hate group because of a simple policy disagreement, as FRC's backers would have you believe,” the post continued. “The SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) cited very specific examples of FRC's wildly inflammatory anti-gay language."

But Erick Erickson, a conservative blogger and CNN contributor, framed this week's attack as part of a campaign against Christianity that extends past American shores.

"Christianity has become an acceptable target for an increasingly secular western world," he wrote in an e-mail message. "In much of Europe and Canada, preaching orthodox Christian tenets about gay lifestyles, etc. can see a preacher punished by the state.

"While the left routinely accuses mainstream Christian leaders of intolerance," he continued, "what many Christians see in turn is a secular media and society showing increasingly open hostility toward Christians for believing what secular society considers incorrect values."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity

soundoff (900 Responses)
  1. Boing

    Perkins is a sniveling wiener.

    August 17, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  2. ItSoNlYmE

    What a load of crap. The FRC is just trying to create a problem where none exists. Show me the evidence of this "war on religion" that they didn't invent. This shooting was done by a mentally disturbed individual, period. Just like all mass shootings. And I find it rich that an ultra-right wing organization would be griping about gun violence. Really, really rich.

    August 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • ItSoNlYmE

      And BTW, the FRC's version of "Christianity" has ***nothing*** to do with religion. If they were truly Christians, well, I won't even go there.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
  3. cssaint78

    So tired of hearing about this fake "War on Religion."

    August 17, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • JJ

      Yup. The so-called 'war' on religious liberty makes for great headline hysteria. Pandering to a sense of shared victimization is a recruiting technique practiced by conservative groups.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      It's only a war on religion when it pertains to Christianity.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
  4. ChuckB

    Engage in hyperbole much? The number of "attacks", mostly verbal critcisms, by liberals and liberal groups pales by comparison to the storm of vicious verbal attacks by conservatives. Shall we count the comments on this and otehr subjects such as this wishing Obama an early death, etc.? Conservatives, don't play innocent; you and your media supporters are mean spirited and caustic and have been for quite some time.

    August 17, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
  5. andrew

    It's not a war on religion, you dumb-head, dishonest liar! It's a swing-back at POLITICAL CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU! You hate everybody who's not republican or wealthy, and you PREACH IT constantly. It's not a war against Jesus's teachings, it's a war FOR them! I'm not the one who wants granny kicked off food stamps to save billionaires money! Look in the mirror, you pompous fake! There's your war-monger – looking right back at you!

    August 17, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
  6. mfx3

    Conservatives are always whining and attacking liberals over stuff like this. I think the libs should take a "reload, not retreat" mentality, put a few more crosshairs over conservative organizations, and stand locked and loaded.

    August 17, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  7. Carl, Secaucus, NJ

    It's OK for Chick-Fil-A to oppose gay marriage, and it's OK to express opposition to Chick-Fil-A for their stand. That's freedom of expression, not war. It only becomes war when you cross the line into violence. Isn't that what war is?

    It's dangerous to say that people expressing their beliefs and people killing other people for those beliefs are all part of the same "war," because then the only "peace" would be to let one side have its way, without even speaking against them–because even speaking against them would be considered "war."

    August 17, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  8. fred

    Atheists are in denial:

    1) 56 men of greatness unanimously signed the Declaration of Independence that declared; “ It was self-evident that men were endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”
    -The godless close their eyes and ears running from the room unable to comprehend that which is self-evident.

    2)These brilliant 56 men then concluded the declaration with “We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world……
    -The truths of the Creator are self-evident to those that would appeal to the Supreme judge of the world when charting a course for our very existence. These truths are not self-evident to the godless that due to pride reject God and mock those of faith even the founders of the greatest nation known to mankind.

    3)Christians understand that the Bible clearly sets out Gods plan in bringing a chosen people into eternal unity in Christ.
    -the godless claim there is no plan yet all their knowledge clearly indicates that men without a plan are doomed to failure.

    4)”In the beginning God ” are the first Divine Words passed on by oral tradition for thousands of years.
    -the godless must and will insert anything other than God as the first cause. At issue is not the vastness and power of that which is outside our boundaries of knowledge but simply invoking the name God. The Bible says there is power in name of God. The response of the nonbeliever to name of God is proof of that power to this day.

    5) Hebrews states “God created that which is seen from that which is not visible”
    -the godless today prefer “spontaneous creation resulted in that which is seen from that which is not visible. God forbid the Bible got anything right.

    6)”and God formed man from the dust of the ground”….inorganic to organic? …Small minute particles into complex organism?
    -the godless do not know the origin of life. The known impossibility that random events result in fine tuning required for the base life element carbon 13 yet alone one cell organisms must be covered up.

    7) The Bible says the glory of the God is evident in the creation.
    -Only 2% of the world population is atheist. The Bible is correct and the proof is overwhelming. The godless employ a trick of logic and cry out ad populum ad populum fallacy ! Reality check is to simply stand up look around the world and claim everyone is nuts but me.

    8) The Bible says to pray in all things and God hears the prayer of the faithful.
    -the godless claim prayer does not work. Science proves otherwise: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10547166
    CONCLUSIONS: Remote, intercessory prayer was associated with lower CCU course scores. This result suggests that prayer may be an effective adjunct to standard medical care.

    9)The most powerful nation on earth is America a Christian nation.
    -the godless claim we are not a Christian nation. Fact check: no president as ever been elected in the entire history of the United States that did not claim to be Christian.

    10) from 2 Timothy “in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power.
    -hummmmmmmmmm

    August 17, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      fred
      The only thing any of this indicates is there are people that BELIEVE, like you. so what...got any PROOF?

      August 17, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Answer

      All you are is your bible. All you will ever be is an idiot.

      Just end your miserable life so that the world will be a better place without your trash and spewage.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • ItSoNlYmE

      Why are you threatened by someone who doesn't believe in god? Clearly you are, otherwise you wouldn't write a diatribe about it. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else believes about a fairy tale old white man with a beard up in the clouds. It doesn't threaten me one way or the other if you believe in god, the Easter bunny, or in dancing around bushes while naked. Live and let live, and stop trying to convert everybody to your myopic view of the world.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Boing

      Fred... You could have saved a lot of time by just saying "I'm an idiot."

      August 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • up1652

      As far as I can tell no one is venturing into your bedroom. Just opposing gay marriage. A difference of opinion is not hate.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Tim in MN

      I agree with the responders to your post, but it isn't very nice to call you names. That said, it does sound like you are threatened by non-believers, otherwise you wouldn't have prattled on about it. Just a reminder though, your religion stops where my nose starts, and if we continue down this road where politics (the right wing) and religion are determined to form the nations policies, there could be some real trouble in the future.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @fred,

      Poor dear deluded freddy.

      If those 56 men in their unanimity declared rights that are derivative of their "creator" why did the men who signed the Const'tution (the actual law of the US) decide that their "creator" had NO part to play in the laws of their new country?

      The United States is categorically NOT a Christian nation. It is a nation where people, including Christians are free to exercise ther religion. The distinction is an important one.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @MN Tim
      freddy's a regular here. People are calling him names because they are tired of his rhetoric. That doesn't make calling him names 'right' but it explains the motivation.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Tim in MN

      Up1652:
      "As far as I can tell no one is venturing into your bedroom. Just opposing gay marriage. A difference of opinion is not hate."

      Just curious, why do you oppose gay marriage?

      August 17, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • fred

      Who invited Me
      Only 2% of the world is atheist which means mankind is instinctively aware that godlessness is not part of the our basic nature. We operate based on these beliefs and have survived so far as top of the food chain. Yet that says nothing to you?
      You are asking me to prove something that should be self evident so I assume that what you see in the world around you does not appear normal. Correct it is abnormal, off the charts statistically not to realize you are in a very slim minority with others that do not have common instincts (assuming you believe there is no God, no plan and we are animal just like other animals that exist by accident. Good news is that you are in good company as Stephen Hawking has a personal problem with the name “God” and goes to great lengths to prove no god necessary.
      I do not intend to degrade the godless just bring awareness to look for the cause of unbelief. I know some very great atheists and very hateful Christians we are all looking for the best I would hope.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Mop

      were endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”

      Creator and God are two different things.
      Fail.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Tim in MN

      To: I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Gotcha, thanks. I think I've smelled this one before.
      I appreciate your views, though.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Your answer speaks for itself and you are in the 2% because of hate that fills you. Hard to see the truth when your heart is closed by hate. All the science in the world could never convince you.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • fred

      ItSoNlYmE
      Not threatened in the least just bringing awareness that acceptable proof of God is a function of your heart not just your head.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • nofaith

      Jefferson, Adams and Franklin (among others) were avowed athiests.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • CNNuthin

      "56 men of greatness unanimously signed the Declaration of Independence that declared; “ It was self-evident that men were endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” What is the next line? And why are people trying to deny others of this happiness by not allowing them the TAX breaks and Legal Status of a marriage that does not even have to have a church involved. The only ones who are speaking loudest against Gay Marriage are those who have the least clue on what "Marriage Laws" mean to a couple. If Gay Marriage is legal nation wide, it does not mean that Churches are required to hold ceremonies for it. It does not mean that bestiality and pedophilia is next(although some places age of consent goes down to 14 and they don't have our problems). Chill out, take a few extra sips of the Blood of Christ and just listen to the hymes about treating others how you'd like to be treated. Imagine if your right to have a hetero marriage was denied because...idk, race or public standing or wealth was a factor. Actually, now that I think about it, shouldn't convicted felons be denied hetero marriage? I mean, they lose most rights at that point anyway. It makes more sense than restricting two law abiding same-gendered Happy people.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • fred

      up1652
      Correct the bedroom is often the reason one rejects the truth and has little to do with proof the meets the standards of science.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • nofaith

      " from 2 Timothy “in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power." ...Hmmm...ever hear of a good christian named Fred Phelps? How about a famous catholic named Adolph Hitler -ever hear of him?

      August 17, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • fred

      Tim in MN
      Republicans and democrats have both had their shot yet issues remain unsolved. The problem is with the people that cannot get beyond themselves to do the right thing. The message of the Bible is clear only a small % actually live out what Christ made simple. I just want awareness of personal bias the brings out the worse.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • fred

      I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV
      I doubt there was an atheist in the bunch that put our consti-tution in place. The world view of the authors was a Christian World View and the World View of the country was a Christian (perhaps Judeo Christian) World View. One thing clear is religions and governments were held accountable to the Supreme Judge and both need protections and restrictions. To include any mention of God invites trouble and erodes protection against the worst offenders historically.
      Perhaps you would be more comfortable if I said we are a republic with a Christian world view?

      Regarding a previous question Jefferson was not a Christian although his world view reflected Judeo Christian morality.

      August 17, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • fred

      Mop
      sorry but Creator and Supreme Judge were God.............that should have been self evident

      August 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • fred

      nofaith

      "Jefferson, Adams and Franklin (among others) were avowed athiests."
      =>no, that would go against what was actually known abouth them. You can say they were not Christian if you wish.

      August 17, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • fred

      CNNuthin
      You will always have marriage laws and someone will be discriminated against. I am assuming you want to add some definition of same $ex marriage into various state and or federal laws. Your new definition would require many changes no one wants to address. Current tax code for example is based on a 60 year old tradition when the little women stayed home to care for the family while big daddy brought home the beacon. That no longer applies. What you need to do is end all marriage benefits period and reestablish benefits based on individuals.

      August 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • fred

      Nofaith
      As I said most Christians do not follow the simple things Jesus set out. Phelps and Hitler by their actions did not follow the most basic commands.

      August 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • invisiblefriend

      @Fred
      Why do you bother wasting time with such posts when I have told you that non believers on this site will not change their hearts that are opposed to God? At least not because of anything you have said.
      No one comes to the Lord unless they are called (i.e. it’s a God action not one of men). No one will come to the Lord based on scientific proof even if there was some. Even if you succeed in pointing out the Bible “gets it right” (as to creation timeline, singularity, etc.) the Bible is not for that purpose.
      You say the 2% (atheist) minority need to wake up and look around at what the other 98% think. I suggest you take note that 98% of those on this site think you are an idiot or worse. Now, who is the abnormal one?

      August 17, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • fred

      Invisible Friend
      Well, I think you may be right....................thanks
      Personally, I have learned a few things.

      August 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Only 2% of the world is atheist which means mankind is instinctively aware that godlessness is not part of the our basic nature. We operate based on these beliefs and have survived so far as top of the food chain. Yet that says nothing to you?
      ---------------------------
      Sorry that's the Argumentum ad Populum fallacy. 1% of the world once believed it was a sphere.
      And actually we survived on the top of the food chain by aggression, and breaking your commandments, by and large. You will have to do better than that.

      August 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • invisiblefriend

      @Fred
      No, you forgot that it is foolish to cast pearls at swine.
      You also cherry pick from the Bible. Speaking of which the verse you quoted in 2 timothy does not show the last 6 words “Have nothing to do with them”
      Suggest you stick with the complete unabridged Bible. Then make like a good Sheppard and get the flock out of here.

      August 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • fred

      realbuckyball
      Well that .1% was wrong as sphere is oversimplified
      If the natural tendency of man is brutal then sociologists and anthropologists are dead wrong when they say man developed morals through social evolution that was advantageous to the species. Your point actually argues for a God that established divine moral code rather than a naturalistic explanation. Further, the Bible is based on fallen sinful man in need of a savior so your view supports the truth of the Bible.

      August 17, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  9. Hindu

    How about this for a solution – Let the definition of marriage be a private business of private citizen and his family. No one group uses the government to impose their definition of marriage on the rest of us. This is a diverse country. It would be better that Govt stays out of business of defining marriage while giving equal rights and benefits to all couples. It would be possible simply by use of word "civil union" by govt for all couples and leaving marriage for private citizen and his family to define for themselves (including gay couples and families). This is a fair solution, that will get the gay couples equal rights and benefits from govt as well as the right to call their union marriage. Also, this will not infringe on beliefs of any group by avoiding a govt-mandated definition of marriage.

    this solution gives everyone equal right to use the word marriage for their union. And no group gets to use government to impose their definition on the rest of us .... this is only fair solution in a diverse society. only militants on EITHER side will not agree to this solution ... those who say, "my way or the highway" ... those who do not want a just solution but a civil war. this solution is as fair and square as it gets. it gets govt our of private citizen's private business. each individual, family and church can define what marriage is for them (including gay families and churches that support gay marriages).

    August 17, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  10. Hindu

    That abortion is murder is proven by the "double murder" charge for slaying a pregnant woman. TO say that it is upto mother to decide whether the living fetus is allowed to become a newborn is akin to saying that it is up to mother to decide whether her newborn is allowed to become a toddler or a toddler is allowed to become a teenager. Try killing your newborn and then present that argument in court .... see how well that goes for you ....

    August 17, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • ok so

      then extending your argument, a miscarriage should make the mother guilty of involuntary man-slaughter.. do you support that as well?

      August 17, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Primewonk

      And an omnipotent, omniscient god is then personally responsible for the 50% of all pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion. The overwhelming majority in the firstweek or so – before the woman knows she is preggers. Do we have your support to charge this god with genocide?

      August 17, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  11. Hndu

    That abortion is murder is proven by the "double murder" charge for slaying a pregnant woman. TO say that it is upto mother to decide whether the fetus is allowed to become a person is akin to saying that it is upto mother to decide whether her newborn is allowed to become a toddler. Try killing your newborn and then presenting that argument in court ..

    August 17, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
  12. Godoflunaticscreation

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny6NNUZCaY8&w=640&h=360]

    August 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  13. tracy

    historically in the United States those on the political right have been far far more violent in expressing their opinions than those on the political left, and with far bloodier consequences. Start with the Know Nothings, the anti-irish riots, the Klan,...keep going through mob attacks on black families who moved into white neighborhoods, abortion clinic bombers and timothy mcveigh. Seems like those on the right are a little too eagerly latching on to this one guy as evidence that they are somehow the victims. Give me a break.

    August 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • ItSoNlYmE

      There you liberals go again, bringing actual facts into the argument. How are the right wingers supposed to respond if you *insist* on using *actual* facts in your leftie/commie/Nazi/socialist arguments? Next thing you'll be trying to tell us the earth isn't really flat and the earth wasn't created in its present (if slightly cooler) form exactly 6534 years ago! Sheesh...

      August 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Mike

      Tell that to Pol Pot or Joseph Stalin...the far left is as guilty as the far right with being violent against those who have differing beliefs.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  14. Orks

    "evidence of the purported war on religion and religious liberty".... You have every right to worship as you like. And if you bring up your children in the ways of your church and family tradition, fine by us.

    You have no right or liberty to impose your religious values on the general society, because many do not subscribe to your values. One nutcase shooter does not make a "war on religion". However abortion clinic bombings and murders combined with hate protests by the likes of Westborough Church in Wichita, that seems not an isolated incident. Seems there's a war on "secular freedoms" going on. Well, we can't have that. This is the United States of America. Individuals can still make their own choices without consulting a baptist or catholic or muslim god, simply based on common sense and decency.

    No, the shooting at FRC is not common sense or decent. Perhaps there shouldn't be so many guns around. I remember something somewhere about "thou shalt not kill" and that seemed to be a rule for everybody.

    August 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  15. Fact

    This shooting also proves that there is a war on Christmas.

    August 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Santa has put his elves to work but requires more uranium.

      August 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Yes, the forces of humbuggery are on the march. Support the Blitzkrieg on Grinchitude.

      http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/404471/december-15-2011/the-blitzkrieg-on-grinchitude-department-store-cutbacks-gun-filled-christmas

      August 17, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Fact

      So the fact that this shooting occurs around about the time Hobby Lobby starts selling Christmas decorations is just a coincident? Right....

      August 17, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Nothing says Christmas like an AK47, and even if it doesn't, with an AK47 you can make Christmas say anything you want it to. – Stephen Colbert

      August 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  16. Chutzpah

    I wonder if the FRC is on board with the recent accusations that President Obama orchestrated the Aurora theater killings? Seems they see conspiracies everywhere.

    August 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

      August 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
  17. HIndu

    Jared Loughner is a known "left-wing political radical" for whom today's democrats are no radical enough so he wanted to teach them a lesson.

    August 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Tim in MN

      Complete and total nonsense. This twerp was never identified as a conservative or liberal...only crazy.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • ItSoNlYmE

      By whom is Mr. Loughner "known" to be a "left wing radical"? Can you give us some citations with quotes and dates please? And can you give us a definition of "left wing" and "radical" as they apply to Mr. Loughner? I didn't think you could...

      August 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
  18. Godoflunaticscreation

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVga6RiimOo&w=640&h=360]

    August 17, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  19. Mac

    They started this war when they decided to kill doctors who offer abortions. Get ready for the next century because WE THE ATHEISTS are growing in number. And we are COMING, FOR..................................your tax exempt status. You can believe whatever nonsense you want. I just don't want it to be tax free ...

    August 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • HIndu

      That abortion is murder is proven by the "double murder" charge for slaying a pregnant woman. TO say that it is upto mother to decide whether the fetus is allowed to become a person is akin to saying that it is upto mother to decide whether her newborn is allowed to become a toddler. Try killing your newborn and then presenting that argument in court ....

      August 17, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1H5t23u7M&w=640&h=360]

      August 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Brad

      Hindu: Abortion is legal in this country. You trying to justify the murder of a doctor who performs abortion just doesn't fly.

      August 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • nofaith

      I've always liked the idea of a "Fraud Tax" for churches – same as the current "sin tax" for liquor and cigarettes. Christianity (and religion in general) is a shoddy product that cannot back up even one single claim by empirical evidence.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Hindu

      @nofaith - empirically you cannot even prove that it is wrong to steal or murder ... which equation or law in physics, maths or chemistry proves that?

      August 17, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Hindu lacks morality. It is called common sense. If you need a book to tell you not to murder, steal....you are a sad excuse for a human.

      August 17, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Hindu

      You have no idea what the word 'empirically' means.

      It is wrong by natural law to kill or to steal. It disrupts society, which makes it a wrong. You don't need a bible to tell you that. In point of FACT, the bible is morally ambiguous. It gives the command 'you shall not kill' and then gives you all these reasons and rules whereby you MUST kill. Who and where and how.

      August 17, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
  20. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    @Gloria

    If Jared Loughner was a liberal, he would have gone after a conservative lawmaker, all of whom have screwed up this country. Loughner had a McCain bumper sticker. That means he's a conservative. Perhaps the next thing you'd do is try to convince me that Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh are registered Democrats. Pathetic!

    August 17, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • RapierPoint

      Blah – Loughner is not a conservative, nor has he ever been described as one since research was done into his views, etc. btw, lawmakers in general, both conservative and liberal have screwed up this country.

      August 17, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
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