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 The scene outside the Family Research Council after Wednesday's shooting.
August 17th, 2012
03:06 PM ET
Shooting sparks controversy over 'hate' designation for conservative groupBy Michael Pearson, CNN (CNN) - It's an online gallery of hate. Here on the Southern Poverty Law Center website is Blood & Honour, a racist skinhead group with members who killed two homeless people they deemed inferior, according to police. A quick scroll away is the World Church of the Creator, which calls nonwhites "mud races" and preaches "racial holy war" that has, according to authorities, inspired some members to commit violent crimes. Then there's the Family Research Council. The SPLC says the conservative Washington policy group is listed as a hate group because "it has knowingly spread false and denigrating propaganda" about lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender people. The designation, in place since 2010, has ignited a fierce debate after an apparently politically motivated shooting Wednesday at the FRC's Washington offices. Conservatives see FRC attack as part of broader war A Virginia man who authorities say harbors "strong opinions with respect to those he believes do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner" is accused of shooting the manager of the council headquarters, wounding him in the arm. The suspect was carrying 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches, leading investigators to link the attack to recent comments by the restaurant chain's CEO defending traditional marriage and the Family Research Council's staunch defense of traditional marriage. While the SPLC defended its label Thursday, saying it was about the "demonization" of gays and a long history of anti-gay activism, the FRC and its conservative allies struck back. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter "I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center should be held accountable for their reckless use of terminology," FRC president Tony Perkins said. In response, SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok said the FRC was looking to make gains from the tragedy. "Perkins and his allies, seeing an opportunity to score points, are using the attack on their offices to pose a false equivalency between the SPLC's criticisms of the FRC and the FRC's criticisms of LGBT people." CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories The FRC, through spokesman P.J. Duffy, declined to comment for this article. Outside opinions were, predictably, mixed. Tufts University political science professor Jeffrey Berry said the council is a mainstream, if very conservative, public policy shop - one of a multitude in Washington. "I'm not comfortable calling them a hate group," he said. "There's probably some things that have been said by one or two individuals that qualify as hate speech. But overall, it's not seen as a hate group," said Berry, who has written extensively about the influence of ideological and public policy groups in Washington. Peter Montgomery, a blogger for the liberal think tank People for the American Way, said he backs the SPLC's designation. "If you ask me, 'Does the FRC promote hatred towards gays and lesbians?' I would say yes it does," he said. "The FRC is not the KKK. But that doesn't also mean they deserve a free ride from being called out on their hateful rhetoric." The FRC opened its doors in 1983, three years after founder James Dobson, then of Focus on the Family, held a prayer session with eight Christian leaders at a Washington, D.C., hotel, according to the FRC's official history. "FRC's immediate goal was to counter the credentialed voices arrayed against life and family with equally capable men and women of faith," the group writes in its history. According to its mission statement, the FRC "champions marriage and family as the foundation of civilization, the seedbed of virtue, and the wellspring of society." "Properly understood," the mission statement continues, " 'families' are formed only by ties of blood, marriage, or adoption, and 'marriage' is a union of one man and one woman." According to IRS data, the group received nearly $12 million in revenue in 2009, the latest year for which data is available. It works on a variety of topics, including anti-abortion policy, traditional marriage, educational choice, religious liberty and family tax policy. What has raised the SPLC's ire is the Family Research Council's stance on homosexuality. The council calls it "by definition unnatural." "We oppose the vigorous efforts of homosexual activists to demand that homosexuality be accepted as equivalent to heterosexuality in law, in the media, and in schools," according to the council's website. "Attempts to join two men or two women in 'marriage' constitute a radical redefinition and falsification of the institution and FRC supports state and federal constitutional amendments to prevent such redefinition by courts or legislatures." The group says it also supports programs to help people overcome "unwanted" same-sex attractions. But the SPLC says the group goes further than simply promoting a conservative Christian perspective. It spreads lies in pursuit of its own political agenda restricting the rights of homosexuals, the group argues. Among other things, the SPLC says the council uses dubious science to convince Americans that gays pose a threat to their way of life, particularly that gays are a threat to children. In 1999, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an FRC analyst co-wrote a booklet called "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys." In the document, which is not available on the FRC website, the authors reportedly argued that "the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the "prophets" of a new sexual order," according to the SPLC. The group also was heavily involved in the effort to prevent the repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy prohibiting military service by openly gay men and women. Among other things, Perkins said, the change would force the military to pay for sex-change operations. In 2010, the FRC was widely denounced after blogger Joe My God published documents that appeared to show the FRC provided $25,000 for lobbying efforts to defeat a congressional resolution expressing opposition to a proposed law in Uganda, which called for the imprisonment of gays and lesbians and the death penalty for those accused of spreading disease and other acts of "aggravated homosexuality." The story was picked up by several news organizations and still appears in Internet denunciations of the group. In a 2010 statement, the FRC said that it did not support the Uganda bill or the death penalty for gays and lesbians. In a statement published at the time, the group said it only wanted lawmakers to "remove sweeping and inaccurate assertions that homosexual conduct is internationally recognized as a fundamental human right." Not long after that controversy, the SPLC added the FRC to its list of hate groups. The FRC has been a "font of anti-gay propaganda throughout its history," the SPLC wrote. However, unlike many of the groups listed in its "intelligence files," it does not accuse the group of any violent or illegal acts. At the time of its designation as a hate group by the SPLC, the FRC called the label "slanderous" and "character assassination" in an open letter published in Washington newspapers. "This is intolerance pure and simple," the ad read. "Elements of the radical Left are trying to shut down informed discussion of policy issues that are being considered by Congress, legislatures and the courts." After Perkins' comments Thursday, the debate began to take off. In The Washington Post, columnist Dana Milbank noted the controversy. "I disagree with the Family Research Council's views on gays and lesbians," he wrote Thursday. "But it's absurd to put the group, as the law center does, in the same category as Aryan Nations, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Stormfront and the Westboro Baptist Church." On the conservative website Newsbusters, a commenter posting as "Blonde Gator" said calling an organization a hate group doesn't make it true. "Just because the FRC has a mission statement which doesn't align with your own agenda, does NOT make them a hate group," Blonde Gator wrote. Elsewhere, a blogger going by the name of "Senator Blutarsky" said the designation lowered the bar for what constitutes hate. "The Great Chicken War showed that in 2012, all one need do is subscribe to a conventional understanding of Christian teaching, and boom! You're a bigot," the commenter wrote, referring to the Chick-fil-A controversy. On the website for "Truth Wins Out," which describes itself as a nonprofit "fighting anti-gay lies and the ex-gay myth," blogger Wayne Bessen wrote that the SPLC was "100% correct" in labeling the council as a hate group. "As someone who reads Perkins' anti-gay fundraising letters - make no mistake about it - this group loathes LGBT people with a special passion," he wrote. One commenter on the site said the shooting "was Lady Karma finally come a-calling on the FRC." "GLBT people have put up with their hatred, beatings, burning, rapes, murder ... for centuries now," said the poster, writing as "Merlyn." "But the second something like this happen we are blamed and groups like the FRC ramp up the volume of their calls to incarcerate us. 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Can anyone at CNN do research? FRC President Tony Perkins has in the past purchased mailing lists from KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, he has spoken before at least one white supremacist group (CofCC) on numerous occasions. Google it. That's all it takes. There's pictures and all. Is CNN really going to make the argument that the folks at FRC are not bigots, they simply hang out with bigots and aid them monetarily. For crying out loud. The general public is generally ignorant of what Perkins actually does for a living, and that is changing right now, and CNN is going to have to explain how they were fooled for so long – or how they can't be bothered to research ANYTHING about the FRC talking heads they and so many others have promoted as credible all these years. It's shameful.
Mr. Pearson...here's a refresher on Tony Perkins and his links to the Klu Klux Klan amongst other hateful things..
Can you comment on this?????
http://www.towleroad.com/2012/08/here-is-a-refresher-on-tony-perkins-greatest-anti-gay-hits.html
According to the URL and other links he purchased David Dukes call list.
You want to open the door on Obama and a anti-white and definitely anti Jew pastor in Chicago? The one that he declared that he had been to his church but was not aware of his sermons?
The asking for a call list is bad, and being a member of a church where Sunday after Sunday you might hear anti-Jewish statements....some of which would make a Neo-Nazi proud, is also bad. But, if I were a politician who knows what I would do to win.
Good night from this hate filled believer! Ha Ha Ha! We have to work for a living too! God bless you all, believers and those who do not believe. God loves you all even if you don't love Him......
Bob, be honest do you know the difference between the Old and New Covenants? If you do feel free to explain them to us all since you claim to understand the bible!
Hebrews 8
12 “ For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”
13 When He said, “ A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Bob, Here is a clue, you won't find the answer in the bogus site you keep quoting from!
Come on you can do it!! There is hope for you!!
Leo, give it up. You're out-matched by a country mile.
The Old Covenant was in effect during the time before Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection when the Jews were living under the Mosaic Law, or, the Old Law, and is associated with the Old Testament and the leadership of Moses.
The New Covenant went into effect after Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection that fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant and Old Law, and is associated with the New Testament and the leadership of Jesus.
Vocal, Very Good! So just to clarify do you thing Christians are supposed to kill gays as Booty claimed?
@The vocal atheist, good to see you know the difference so you are half way to the truth so what happened? What moved you away from Jesus?
@Leo
Frankly, I do not find any of it to be valid for anything but for the believers I would imagine there are many interpretations on the intersection of the two covenants, meaning did God's law die with the old covenant and evolve to a more spiritual interpretation with Jesus? Again, I don't even consider any of this but I could see how this would be a point for debate with only speculations and assumptions as the final answer. Good Luck!
Since Leo is back to his usual quote dumping on us from his vile bible, let's have a look at some of the nasty stuff in there that he is conveniently ignoring:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Bob, whats wrong couldn't answer my questions??
Come on Booty say the Bible instucts believer to ki ll ho mos one more time maybe it will change in the book?
want proof that the bible is absolutely repulsive and should be abandoned? watch this short video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y
Only an idiot would let some unproven video do its thinking for it.
Booty, Yes the WORD the scriptures will stand forever, but we have two covenants, the first was the LAW, the second which is NOW is Grace.
You are just showing you follow lies and perpetuate them. I feel your pain.
And another video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFUujSNpEU
You have made your point and a good one I might add, so now let me make mine; show me where Jesus kil led anyone for any of these violations of the law? If He was the son of God then he could have as you said" wiped half of Israel off of the face of the earth," but he didn't because the law was not how God wanted us to know him. Ask yourself a question? If there is a God and He is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient what can you or anybody do to please him? What can you build, what can you sing, what can you paint and how many people can you k i l l? So if Jesus is who He said He is then He would have and could have easily kil led the women at the well or any Jew for that matter because they didn’t believe in Him who is referenced throughout the Bible as the coming manifestation of God in the flesh. He could have with all justification gone from city to city in the world destroying them just like Sodom and Gomorra? He didn’t because he came for you and me and all of us sinner who lie, steal, kill, fornicate etc… with the intention to show us there is a better life if we just follow Him. Soften your heart young man and learn of my ways! They are truth and life.
Because of Jesus and the Grace of God Jesus offers the sentence is deferred until Gods judgement. Society still has the right to take action against crimes inflicting prison sentences or in some cases the death penalty. The nature of authority allows for this on a human level how much more on a divine level.
At least human justice is better, more reasonable, and more fair than the unjust viciousness such as eternal torture that nasty Christian god has to offer, according to the Christian book of nasty AKA the bible:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
It is justice by a just God. What we all deserve as outlined in the case against us in Gods Holy Word. Get used to it there is no escape save through the Salvation of Christ.
Bob, Here once again with the same post, funny how you never actually read the books and chapters you post.
The First two were for vengance on the Amalekites for killing the Jewish woman, children and turning them to follow false gods,
and Revelations the Children are the people that are following a false teaching in the Church.
but of course you really don't care about the truth.
Try reading the Bible and maybe it will change your life!!
You seem to only know those few verses and you probably copied them from an Antichrist site.
There is still hope for you though!!
bob is spot on.
leo is a dolt: "The First two were for vengance on the Amalekites for killing the Jewish woman, children and turning them to follow false gods,"
how the F does that matter? god is still killing children and non-virgin women that didn't do anything. the christian god is disgusting!
@Leo
See Leo, you couldn't help yourself, right? There you have TBT stating things that you believe to be untrue. We do the same to you, understand?
Leo, try actually reading the comments after the quotes. You have yet to respond with any substance to those comments, so expect them again and again until you do.
And seriously, so much evil has been done within what your religion dictates that it is high time for the world to put it in the past and leave it behind. Seriously, think about it; the whole Jesus sacrifice and love thing is a big load of cr@p. The whole premise of Christianity that the death of the son of god would have been any kind of “sacrifice” and was required to deal with “sin” is utter nonsense. This is a supposed omnipotent being that we are talking about.
Christians, think this through a bit: how come your ‘omnipotent’ creature couldn’t do all that supposed saving without the loony son sacrifice bit anyway? And for that matter, how was it a sacrifice at all, when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time it wants with less than a snap of its fingers? Pretty feeble god it is that you’ve made for yourself there.
Give that some thought and maybe it will help you leave your delusions behind. You will remain a laughingstock otherwise, and the more you dwell in your silly delusion and ancient myths, instead of keeping up with advances in medicine and technology, the more America slips downward relative to the rest of the world in science and other fields.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
@leo
It is not all grace and love there is the just God as well. Jude says to drag some from the jaws of hell hating even the clothing tainted with sin. Paraphrase not quote. These think God is a non existent wuss and nothing could be more dangerous to think.
Truth, we can defend the faith here, and we can preach the Good News. Be careful for telling people of Judgement may open their eyes to were they are in their sin, but without Love we are a clanging gong.
Booty, Bob, God protects his children in this case it was Israel, what would YOU expect him to do?
Force the Amalekites against their free will to not do evil?
Not take Vengence and have the Israelites be exterminated?
These are clear examples for YOU BOTH to know you are now like the Amalikites and killing his adopted children the Christians!!
He gives you a fair warning! Beware for the day comes soon!!
Leo, it's both disingenuous and deceptive of you to claim that your religion is about love, when you should know by now that your book of nasty AKA the bible contains such evil as this:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
I should have said attacking not killing....
Post by 'Leo' is a form of the flawed argument known as Pascal's Wager.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
Bob, be honest do you know the difference between the Old and New Covenants? If you do feel free to explain them to us all since you claim to understand the bible.
Leo,
Where are the writings of the Amalekites' regarding their wars and raids on the Hebrews?
You take the word of the just-as-barbaric victors?
Hebrews 8
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,
“ Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “ For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 “ And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For all will know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 “ For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”
13 When He said, “ A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
p.s. If your "God" could "harden the heart" of Pharaoh, and give unto several others "revelations".... he could just as easily found a rational solution for the allegedly nasty Amalekites. Your "God" is the fantasy of the ancient Hebrews.
I wonder, You have a valid point, but please note that you have a difficult time accepting Gods judgements, yet you fully judge God and have casted him out.
the FRC works to prevent the love and union of g.ays. it's one of the most h.omophobic organizations in America. the FRC actively and financially supports laws that prohibit the right for g.ays to marry, serve in our military forces, adopt children, receive spousal benefits, visitation rights,and on and on. it's fairly easy to see they were right in labeling the FRC a hate group. they ARE a hate group. just because you wrap your self in religion doesn't mean you shouldn't be held accountable for your bigotry and ignorance. "i'm a christian with a book written thousands of years ago by ignorant men in the desert. this book says to kill h.omos.exuals. don't hold me accountable for my views - god says murdering g.ays is the right thing to do."
It is called justice and it is not murder when a lawbreaker is executed. God dispenses the sentence according to the deeds. The wages of sin are death. It is appointed to all mankind once to die and then the judgement, possible second death. The ho mo se xual is already dead in its trespasses and sins. Old Testament law was doing the ho mo se xual a favor by removing it from society.
Ahhhahha. What fvckin' moron you are.
TuBeTop, did you graduate from HS with a "special" diploma? Or did you drop out? Were you expelled?
You obviously never graduated with any sort of real diploma. If you had, you'd be able to put together a sentence.
Perkins claims that SPLC labeled FRC a "hate group" back in 2010 simply because "they disagree with [us] on public policy," and many in the media have parroted the claim. But it’s utter nonsense. As the SPLC explained, FRC received the designation "because of its dissemination of false and demonizing propaganda about gays and lesbians" and even produced a report chronicling FRC's long history of biased anti-gay activism complete with a collection of the sorts of claims made by the organization:
“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the hom*os*exual movement.”
— Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999
“[Ho*mose*xuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
— Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999
“One of the primary goals of the hom*ose*xual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pe*dophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new se*xual order.”
-1999 FRC pamphlet, Ho*mose*xual Activists Work to Normalize Se*x with Boys.
“[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as se*xual partners.”
— Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Ho*mose*xuality and Child Se*xual Abuse,” 2002
“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from ho*mose*xuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a ho*mose*xual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010
Had the country kept ho mo se xuality a hanging offense there would not be AIDS in the world today.
Truth Be Told, Go and read I Corinthians 5-6 and then come back and tell us if you or any other Christians should be judging those outside the Church. YOU should not!!
@Leo
You need to knock some sense into TB Boy! Call him out and tell him like it is!
Child abuse, bestiality and all manner of unnatural acts go hand in hand with ho mo se xuality. Ground zero AIDS = one very sick qu eer from Canada with hundreds of contacts human and animal including chimps. Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS
I am warning you of the judgement to come , I am not the judge but when the time comes you may wish I was.
@pervert alert
"Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS"
Please provide proof, verifiable evidence.
Another contemporary faux Christian. Plenty here to choose from.
Vocal, I will when I see you confront Tom for the kindergarten talk, or Booty for outright lies.
Just did you qu eer bait idiot. Try reading the post before replying including the part following "ground zero AIDS =" Qu eers the people that gave the world AIDS.
@pervert alert
HIV-1 is surprisingly old, and it probably "debuted" in humans at least three separate times - one for each subtype, M, N, and O. Scientists' best guess is that the precursor of the most common "M" virus jumped from the Cameroon chimps to humans sometime before 1931. Using samples of HIV-infected tissue harvested over the last three decades, virologist Dr. Bette Korber of Los Alamos National Laboratory has calculated that an ancestral form of HIV started spreading, slowly at first, in humans about 75 years ago. The actual jump from chimps to humans probably occurred shortly before that, says Hahn: "There's no reason to believe this was just lingering around in people."
@ booty I guess you believe if you say the Bible says kill ho mos enough times it will be come true?
@ Leo
provide an example of where i lied. be specific. back up your claim with proof and evidence as to why what i said was a lie.
i'm asking you to use your frontal lobe. i realize this may be a lesson in frustration for both of us, but i dare you to try 'thinking'.
"Pervert" is just a one-note troll. He/she hopes to get attention by telling offensive but obvious lies.
Booty, I aready did, for you claim that the Levitical Law is for Christians when you claim the Bible tells us to Kill Gays.
That is simply a lie, period!
Booty, Do you not know that calling people names generally shows you have no solid argument to stand on, and it really looks very kindergarten.
@vocal
missed your "scientific" response but will reply to it now
BULL SH IT
@pervert alert
No, pervert, that's the truth as we know it, please provide your proof. Something substantial though, not just spouting-off of some nonsense that is not verifiable. You can't because what I provided is what we know. You have nothing, zero.
No need to " steal " your name to get the bulge on a tub like you.
You can barely figure out how to reply to posts, you brain-dead idiot.
I'm speaking with you idiot. Do you hear me? I'm a communist and I'm going to whip you good.
You are not worth the ink it takes to reply to you.
Tom you really put fear in people over the internet! Really?
You're using ink on a computer?
No wonder you're such a fvck-up.
So are you. You still are unable to move me to fear!
Never said I could, fvckwit. Fear isn't possible unless one has a brain.
@ Tom
what can we do? obvious inbred troll. when you fail at debate, when you fail at reason and logic, when you fail at presenting a rational argument - you end up like this mindless zombie using small-minded tactics to distract from the argument.
"Circ.umvent your intelligence."
- Kirk Cameron, leading christian scholar and speaker
words of christian 'wisdom'.
@ Tom Fear is only in the heart of a man not commited to what he believes.
Precisely why I do not fear the christard god or his big, bad, debil.
what sez: @ Tom Fear is only in the heart of a man not commited to what he believes.
Since "commited" isn't a word, and "fear" shouldn't be capitalized, and you aren't an adult, I don't really give a crap.
@Moby Schtick Good, I hope you don't expect me to convert you? FYI, that is God's job! So if you haven't that is between you and Him.
Convert him to what? Idiocy? That's the only thing you could conceivably convert anyone to, you little dork. Do you still have trouble with acne? Buck teeth?
christianity/religion has always worn a bullet proof vest. they can spew hate and bigotry and not be held accountable, or at least to a much lesser degree. all they have to say is, "i'm a christian." now you can say crazy and/or evil sh.it and not be held accountable for it. your h.omophobia and misogyny is backed up by the bible. god is on your side - how can you be wrong? the bible supports slavery throughout. slave owners justified slavery by use of the numerous passages in the bible condoning slavery. there are rules in the bible for selling your own daughter into slavery.
the bible says to KILL g.ays. KILL. that is a disgusting command. my fiance and i are straight against hate. this kind of disgusting att.itude toward our g.ay brothers and sisters makes me want to vomit. and you may notice that the most prejudice parts of our country are where? the bible belt. the most christian parts of our country are also the most prejudice and ignorant. coincidence?
Truth is not hate or bigotry, get used to it. God bless
I'm a communist. So is Bootyfunk.
Tell us what scripture chapter and verse that tell Christians to kill g a ys! Now, I do know a religion that does and you don't even recognize them?
We care less about gays. They're just our puppets so people focus on them and not the communist party behind the chaos.
There is no verse that tells Chrisians to kill gays. That is simply a lie.
Leviticus 20:13
KJV: (King James Version): If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
what do you think? there's more, btw.
Bootyfunk, what an good name because you are so off in your comments about the Bible that your carry an oder. The truth, son, doesn't change because you wish it. The physical attributes determine your natural state which is the truth! Your mind can be programed to believe what ever you want to believe even if it isn't the truth, but it doesn't change the truth!
Booty you are clueless to the scriptures and Chritianity if you REALY believe that tells Christians.
I Corinthians 6 tells Christians to not even judge those outside the Church.
Keep spreading lies!!
Drunk again, Leo?
Tom, you and Booty have to lie and deceive for your cause, keep up the good work!!
Tom, pretty sad when you have to falsely accuse me of being drunk! You methods reveal much!!
i'm spreading lies? lol. i quoted the bible. what context am i not seeing here? so you throw in a contradictory message - what does that prove except the bible was written by imperfect men and not inspired by a deity? the bible preaches as much about hate as it does about love. just because the book talks about love doesn't mean it shouldn't be held accountable for the hate, bigotry and ignorance it also promotes. one doesn't erase the other. "sure, the bible specifically gives orders to kill h.omos.exuals, but remember, we mentioned love in the previous passage, so it's okay..."
Leo – click on any story here regarding gay people. No serious research, just a casual perusal of the various posts. Then tell me the Christians posting here are loving and non-judgmental.
It is justice being dispensed by a just God. Let the guilty perish as a warning to future generations. You will never be able to face your own judgement and tell God you didn't know.
Could you idiots be more pathetic?
It would not do to copy you
@bootyfunk you should really learn to read. There is a big difference between "they shall surely be put to de ath. Their blo od shall be upon them" and you shall surely put them to de ath. Their blood shall be upon you believer?
number one, when someone is PUT to death means someone is killing them. you should learn not to make excuses for the disgusting 'morals' of the bible. PUT to death, read that again. and then it's their fault they had to be put to death - the blood is on their hands. it's not the crowds fault they had to murder a g.ay man - it's the g.ay man's fault for being g.ay. very very compassionate and loving.
secondly, it wouldn't matter who's fault it was or whatever. it says g.ays are an "abomination". think of the prejudice and h.omophobia that phrase, that book, has helped to foster. and it still is. either way, the bible promotes bigotry and ignorance.
what??a dolt, you should really be grateful that education is free and you are welcome to get some.
Here is what Christians are taught in regards to those outside the Church.
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.
Christians should be following these standards and NOT judge those outside the church.
Anyone that knows anything about the scriptures knows that the Old Covenant and Testament Laws have nothing to do with Christianity and the New Covenant of Grace.
Here is what Jesus taught and see how wonderful and accurate it is!!
Matthew 5
When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. 2 He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
3 “ Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Leo, do you really think these statements are original or unique to your Jesus?
I have news for you.
They aren't.
Tom, I like the part where he told us 2000 years ago that there would be folks like you!! How accurate, but of course they would be!!
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Leo, while you are dumping bible quotes on us, let's also have a look at some of the nasty bits that are so prevalent in your Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible. And not just the OT either. The NT sure has its share of nastiness from your god/ghost/jesus evil triumvirate, so we'll look at both books of your horrid superst-ition:
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Bob, Here are some more scriptures for you since I know you only have that standard cut and paste, and are unable to think on your own.
2 Corinthians 4
4 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, 2 but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “ Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Since Leo is back to his usual quote dumping on us from his vile bible, let's have a look at some of the nasty stuff in his Christian book of nasty that he is so conveniently trying to brush aside or ignore:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Seriously, Leo, read and think this through for a change:
If you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
There is no right to perversion.
Yet here you are...
truth be told wrote: "There is no right to perversion."
sorry, you're quite wrong. There is, in fact, both a left and a right to perversion.
Go home commie, we don't want you here.
oh truth is quite the clever one. She must be huffing jesus with extra exuberance today.
the bible is a perversion.
the bible supports slavery. the bible says to kill g.ays, all non-virgin brides, disobedient children and anyone working the weekend. the bible says a woman that is r.aped must marry her r.apist. god kills children in several chapters of the bible.
the bible has perverted our ethics with it's bronze/iron age 'morals'. anyone that actually did what the bible says would be among the worst and most evil serial killers/mass murderers ever to have existed.
I'm a communist by the way.
religion is a perversion. freedom of religion is guaranteed. so, tbt, lube up that bible and jam it way up your rectum
truth be told, you jacking my name already?
"I'm a communist by the way." - fake post by fake Bootyfunk
you do know stealing is a sin according to your mumbo jumbo bible? burn in hell.
No need to steal battyfunk to get the bulge on a tub like you.
TuBeTop, is your comma key broken like your brain?
The three best locations for qu eers
1. In a grave preferably by their own hand and before they have corrupted someone else.
2. In a maximum security prison preferably in solitary confinement so as not to corrupt honest criminals.
3. In a hospital for the criminally insane restrained and gagged so as to give the other patients a chance at recovery.
Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS
Booty, I'm coming out to. I'm a communist. I detest the word atheist.
No one told me we were coming out?
so now you steal Tom's name? naughty naughty troll. go back under your bridge.
There is no "we". There's just a teenybopper troll who has no date.
I'm per verted and a communist too.
Sam, do you want top or bottom?
ah ain't sayin battyfink is a qu-eer but if'n ah was to hunt one ah'd sure like it along as bait,
Perplexing.
that bittyfonk done treed one already.
Naughty is my game. I'm in.
dang two of em
Left, left, perversion, left.
If your left offends you cut it off it is better to enter the kingdom of God with only a right than be cast into hell with both.
People say there is this RACE problem and this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries. They say the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to 'a-s-similate,' i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites. It's really just the final solution to the White problem. It's genocide.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White
U r a fkn idiot.
It's not a race problem we have going on in America. We've got a communist problem.
@Urafkntool
W – T -F are you even talking about ? 😯
Peace...
Did I come out and tell you that I'm a communist?
Prayer changes things .
lies of course. I get the impression that 'pervert alert' and 'atheism is not healthy' are brother and sister (but also 'own' each other if you know what i mean). They certainly display the same lack of education.
I'm a communist. There is no prayer there is no god.
I'm with him, there is no god and I'm a proud communist.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine -year- old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
The Taliban is a hate group. The modern GOP is the American Taliban. It IS that simple.
When you say hate group, what do you mean exactly?
Hate group is another way to say ho mo se xual. You know qu eers the people that gave the world AIDS.
Go home commie.
! is a turd. Can't polish it; can't roll it uphill.
I live here and I'm a communist.
I'm a communist just like you.
I'm coming out too. I'm a communist.
The "I am a communist" comment was not made by the original Reality.
Nope! You're bunch of third-class, elitists.
Only for the new members of this blog:--------->
Moving out of the Dark Ages into the 21st century.
o "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.
To wit:
1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "
2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”
And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.
To wit:
From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.
Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.
As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.
BULL SH IT ALERT
Round two Ding Ding.
spec·u·la·tion [spek-yuh-ley-shuhn] Show IPA noun
1. the contemplation or consideration of some subject: to engage in speculation on humanity's ultimate destiny.
2. a single instance or process of consideration.
3. a conclusion or opinion reached by such contemplation: These speculations are impossible to verify.
4. conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise: a report based on speculation rather than facts.
5. engagement in business transactions involving considerable risk but offering the chance of large gains, especially trading in commodities, stocks, etc., in the hope of profit from changes in the market price.
".... BULLSH IT ALERT" is the one full of it because they are always always a one-line exclamation.
(HeavenSent is of course retarded. No news there.)
Go home commie, go home. America is not going to give up their love for Jesus.
LOL. Also, I'm glad HeavenSent defined speculation, since it might be one of the best nouns that equates to religion. And she might want to explain why she thinks what Reality wrote is speculation.
I'm a communist and proud of it.
I'm proud too. Slap that communist label left on me.
The left is quite often violent in its protests as "moral" is meaningless in their world. They accuse others of being intolerant and hateful while they are the most intolerant and prejudicial group around.
The left is quite often violent in its protests as "moral" is meaningless in their world.
An awful lot of sweeping generalization in this statement, isn't there? It is difficult to have a meaningful discussion about serious topics if we only speak this way. You say "the left" as if that definitively defines a group of people, when in reality it only points in a vague direction.
"The left" is made up of many, many kinds of people, with various religious beliefs, political ideas, backgrounds and socio-economic levels.
Further, you use "moral" without defining the word. Your use is meant to imply that you mean that "the left" does not share your morality and therefore have no morals. However, we know that is not true, simply because if there were NO morals, our rate of theft, murder, rape and other crimes would skyrocket, therefore the "left" must have a morality. It just doesn't coincide with yours.
They accuse others of being intolerant and hateful while they are the most intolerant and prejudicial group around.
Again with the vague statements lumping groups of people together, and saying something so non-specific as to be meaningless.
We, as human beings, have a tendency to label anyone who expresses an opinion that disagrees with our opinion as "intolerant", but simple disagreement is not intolerance. Intolerance is denying another's opinion is valid, is creating laws based on our own opinion to silence those who disagree.
Intolerance isn't even necessarily a bad thing. I am intolerant toward torture, toward murder, toward animal cruelty, child endangerment, rape, and many other things. I am intolerant of hate, of violence, of treating a fellow human being like garbage.
I am also intolerant of anyone who would endeavor to infringe on the rights of another, or violate the freedoms we have been guaranteed by the constitution of the United States.
The majority on the left these days aren't US citizens. Where the dems dragged these gutter slugs out is anyone's clue.
^ ^ ^ ^ Nonsense.
A bunch of commies.
SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Slap me communist then. I detested the word atheist.
Since Perkins and his minions wish to codify the behavior of gay people using civil legislation, I'm sure that any day now they'll TRULY "defend the sanct-ity" of marriage and spearhead an effort to make divorce and adultery illegal. I won't hold my breath though.
Go home commie, we don't want your kind here.
" Go home commie, we dont want your kind here. "
Translation : I cant refute anything you said, so I'll make a baseless accusation. There ya go, fixed that for ya.
Nah. "!" is just a troll. He/she can't get anyone to talk to them in real life, so "!" makes stupid comments on internet blogs, hoping someone will pay attention. I suspect this troll goes by several names.
Here's your slap Tallulah.
"save the world and slap some sense into a commie today!" appears to be yet another name for "!".
Tallulah and the other atheists on this site had commie's for teachers that dented their brains.
@tallulah13 –
Thanks for the heads-up. By the way, some of this blog's contributors are developing a game tentatively named, "Chad the Dishonest – the game". Discussions for a prototype are underway starting here –
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/13/first-on-cnn-atheist-group-targets-presidential-candidates-faith-with-billboards/comment-page-54 @ August 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm
...your input is welcome.
I admit it. I'm a communist.
The jig is up. I'm a communist too.
Don't communists have to read things. That sounds hard.
I'm a communist too.
Everyone is stealing my thunder. I'm coming out too. Color me communist.
Hey christards how you like them apples!
So, when the extremist on the Faith side respond back by attacking a Gay event or organization and then blood is spilled on that side ... will you like those apples?
Are you desiring a full back and forth war with folks over this? Are you ready for bodies on both sides?
I have never said this before here but, your post is stupid dude. If you want to get into fire fight ..extremist vs extremist then go ahead but can you do it so that us in the Middle do not get caught in your crossfire.
Post by 'Mark From Middle River' is an instance of the Begging the Question fallacy with additional ad hominem elements.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
Another communist import.
Anon needs a slap today to get his commie teaching knocked out of him.
Slap me then. I love being a communist.
Fallacy, from the determination factors that would qualify my statement being a "Begging the Question fallacy", is flawed or lacking. That violence begets violence. This is not a fallacy because we see it every single day and throughout world history. Learn your history first because you are blindly labeling things hoping folks will not challenge you on them.
So, I gotta call you on the mat for this one because I am always interested in folks like his response when they champion violence. When I read "like those apples" ... I want to directly confront him to what happens if the other side responds. Right now his statement is no different than Alqueda, Libya after Lockerbee and other people going even back to Isoroku Yamamoto. Did they think that such an attack would change anyone's views on the other side? Will the other side be justified to retaliate?
Also the "tards" comment... was that fallacy that involves a personal attack? You did not challenge his but only mine. Why the bias?
Because christians are fu*ked up in the head ever since they drank that first cup of Jesus-juice as toddlers.