My Take: How evangelicals could grow to love Muslims
The Islamic Center of America, a mosque in Dearborn, Michigan.
August 18th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

My Take: How evangelicals could grow to love Muslims

Editor's Note: Eboo Patel is founder and president of Interfaith Youth Core. His new book is called "Sacred Ground: Pluralism, Prejudice and the Promise of America."

By Eboo Patel, Special to CNN

Paul Ryan has set off joyous cheers in the land of conservatives largely because of his fiscal views but also because of his Catholic faith.

He is just the most recent member of his church – think House Speaker John Boehner, Republican runner-ups Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, and Supreme Court justices Samuel Alito and Antonin Scalia – to be viewed as a flag-bearer for the conservative cause, a movement whose foot soldiers are largely evangelical Protestants.

The dynamic of evangelicals cheering for Catholics is one of the most stunning shifts in American political history. Just 50 years ago, evangelicals were ringing the alarm about the rising prominence of Catholics in American politics, not falling in line behind them.

“Our freedom, our religious freedom, is at stake if we elect a member of the Roman Catholic order as president of the United States,” Norman Vincent Peale told a conference of evangelical leaders in September 1960.

Materials handed out at the Peale conference claimed ‘Universal Roman Catholicism’ was both a religion and a political force whose doctrines were ultimately incompatible with the American ideals of freedom, equality and democracy.

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And the conference's keynote address alleged that Catholics practiced “mental reservation,” which allowed them to lie about their intentions in order to gain power. And when they succeeded, they would make second-class citizens of everyone else.

Replace “Roman Catholic” with “Muslim” and “Church hierarchy” with “caliphate” in those pronouncements and today we are witnessing a similar energy directed against a different faith community using largely the same categories.

In today’s parlance, Kennedy was part of a stealth jihad meant to replace the U.S. Constitution with sharia law and practicing taqqiyya to mask this dawa offensive.

As they believed about Catholicism then, many evangelicals now view the very nature of Islam as incompatible with American values. Evangelicals rate Muslims lower on a "‘favoribility" scale than any other religious group, according to "American Grace," a book by scholars Robert Putnam and David Campbell.

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Evangelical churches are favorite venues for Islamophobic speakers and prominent evangelical leaders like Franklin Graham regularly call Islam a threat to America.

It is easy to draw a straight line between the evangelical anti-Catholic prejudice of previous generations and the Islamophobia of today, essentially saying that “evangelicals have to hate someone.”

But that’s too cynical a take for me. The more interesting - and certainly more hopeful - storyline is the one about change.

Evangelical attitudes changed markedly towards Catholics in the past generation, and they are changing towards Muslims now.

Without doubt, the evangelical shift on Catholics can be partially explained by the two religion traditions finding common cause on political issues like abortion. But in "American Grace," Putnam and Campbell point to what they believe is a more important reason.

Over the course of the past fifty years, more evangelicals got to meet Catholics and the warmth in those personal relationships became generalized towards the larger community. If your Pal Al is Catholic and a good guy, then by extension Catholics as a group and Catholicism as a religion have some good qualities.

This is precisely the dynamic taking place between evangelicals and Muslims, a story for me best illustrated by a Dallas-based pastor named Bob Roberts. Bob grew up in the 1960s in East Texas and remembers the Pope regularly being referred to as “the Great Whore of Babylon” in his father’s Southern Baptist church.

He absorbed the anti-Catholic prejudice along with everyone else. But when he went on service trips to Southeast Asia as an adult, he discovered that the people doing the most intense, committed development work were inevitably Catholic. At first he admired them from afar. Then he got to know some up close, and they turned out to be not so bad.

After September 11, 2001, the anti-Muslim feeling was open and intense in Bob’s community. Truth be told, Bob felt it himself.

But he was self-aware enough to recognize the similarity between the irrational prejudice he absorbed about Catholics growing up and what he saw happening toward Muslims now.

So he did the same thing with Muslims that he’d done with Catholics: get to know them personally through common projects. Bob has traveled everywhere from Afghanistan to Gaza to do interfaith service projects with Muslims.

And now he is bringing fellow evangelicals along and involving the members of his Dallas mega-church in local interfaith projects. He’s speaking to young evangelical leaders about the importance of building relationships with Muslims as a Christian practice.

I know because in the midst of the opposition to the so-called Ground Zero mosque a couple years ago, a young pastor came to my office and asked me to guest preach about Islam at his evangelical church. He told me that Bob had sent him.

This is how communities change. Evangelicals make up 40% of America – when they change, America changes.

Maybe in 50 years, there will be no surprise when the loudest cheerleaders for Muslim presidential candidates and Supreme Court justices are evangelical Christians.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Eboo Patel.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Catholic Church • Islam • Opinion

soundoff (2,441 Responses)
  1. jony

    Probably the dumbest story I've read on CNN in months...

    August 19, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • NorCalMojo

      It's always fun when Indians explain US culture to Americans. This guy is just filling in while Zakaria is suspended.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  2. Atheist For Sanity

    Islam is anti-thetical to all things American. Delusional apathetic evangelicals may one day "grow to love muslims", but, their numbers are dwindling.

    August 19, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • jony

      Your moniker does not match your insane posts

      August 19, 2012 at 8:27 am |
  3. JohnBorg

    I doubt it. The reason evangelicals and catholics are supporting each other is pure politics. The debate is no longer Protestants vs. Catholics, its the religiously Conservative vs. religiously Liberal. Its understandable that evangelicals have finally accepted (some) Catholics as brothers and sisters in Christ, but can you really ever see them not fearing Muslims, especially in this climate where Muslims are the "bad guys."

    August 19, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • Dhimmitude

      Hard to "cooperate" or "tolerate" when Islamists world-wide are the MOST intolerant of all religions these days. Muslims kill, maim those that do not adhere to their faith...now the Muslim Brotherhood is crucifying people. Nice. Let the Muslims show some tolerance...in Saudi, in Egypt in Syria. Ask the Coptic Christians in Syria, Pakistan how "tolerant" their Musliim brothes are....the answer: NOT AT ALL.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • Patrick

      Ishaq:326 "Allah said, 'No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.' Muhammad said, 'I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.'"
      Ishaq:327 "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
      Qur'an:7:3 "Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
  4. carlos

    I'm an infidel and proud of it. I, nor a lot of my fellow Americans, will never come to accept or love Muslims. They are a vile and dirty group of people. I wil go to war again just to put them back into the hole they crawled out of along with the rest of their kind.

    August 19, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • carlos

      edit I meant "and a lot of..." vice "nor a lot..."

      August 19, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Watanabe

      How Christian of you. Jesus would be proud.

      August 19, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Ellen

      Fully agree. Hell will freeze over before I like islam or muslims. As far as I am concerned, I will not even vote for a politician who does not oppose sharia and muslim immigration.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:39 am |
  5. vet4life63

    I believe in equality for everyone. Having said that, What I don't believe in is pressing 1 for English, 2 for Spanish, and maybe in the future 3 for ( insert language here). This is America. The official language is English. The culture here is far from Muslim. We were founded on Christian believes. Our money does not say "in Allah we trust". Past generations were always welcome to come here. All they had to do was be willing to fit in with the rest of us. Learn English. Get a job, contribute to society. The problem with immigration today is so many times none of that is happening. I'll respect Islam, when it respects us. We do not have to assimilate with them. They need to make the effort to assimilate with us. It would be the same if we were going en=mass to their Country to live.

    August 19, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • Watanabe

      Your Muslim doctors, lawyers, bankers, and other professionals would disagree with your completely uninformed sentiment that Muslims don't assimilate. Muslims are one of the most educated and well to do minorities in this country. Most of them speak english far better than you....

      This is a nation of immigrants. Unless you're Hopi or Iriquois, you need to get off this whole "Immigration" bit. You're the child of people who were immigrants at one point too.

      August 19, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Patrick

      Ishaq:322 "Allah said, 'Do not turn away from Muhammad when he is speaking to you. Do not contradict his orders. And do not be a hypocrite, one who pretends to be obedient to him and then disobeys him. Those who do so will receive My vengeance. You must respond to the Apostle when he summons you to war."
      Qur'an 8:24 "O Believers! Answer Allah and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life [martyrdom].... Fear the affliction and trial that awaits those who do not obey. Allah is severe."
      Qur'an 4:80 "He who obeys the Messenger obeys Allah."
      Tabari VIII:182 "The people assembled in Mecca to swear allegiance to the Messenger in submission. He received from them the oath of allegiance to himself, to heed and obey."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • JackAttack

      Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them"
      Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you"
      Quran (3:56) – "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
      Quran (3:151) – "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,"
      Quran (8:12) – "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
      Quran (8:39) – "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"
      Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
      Quran (8:65) – "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
      Quran (9:5) – "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,
      Quran (9:14) – "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
      Quran (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah
      Quran (9:73) – "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers
      Quran (9:123) – "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

      August 20, 2012 at 1:43 am |
  6. Kummin

    Islam is a heathen religion.

    August 19, 2012 at 8:18 am |
  7. Matt

    B...St!!!..the muslim religion.... is anti FREEDOM

    August 19, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Aby

      unless you understand what this religion is.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Matt, remember, end of days and all the fake preachers are out and about, full swing with the politicians consent.

      Ezekiel 22:25-30


      August 19, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Patrick

      What is there to understand, if you leave Islam, moslems kill you.
      That is all I need to understand.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  8. Reality

    Let the convergence of religions begin:

    From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
    be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

    August 19, 2012 at 7:56 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I believe I've sent this to you before RealityNot, but, it's worth repeating.

      Jesus wrote about the non-believers in the following scriptures:

      Fool (66)
      Foolish (52)
      Foolishly (12)
      Foolishness (20)
      Fools (42)
      Fool's (7)

      I'll post one of my favorites about the non-believers of the world.

      The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.

      Psalms 14:1


      August 19, 2012 at 8:02 am |
    • JWT

      And to people who do not believe in your particular version of a god such writings are foolishness themselves. There is no need in life to all believe in just your god – other options are both valid and equal.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      JWT and RealityNot are cut from the same cloth.

      I loathe [it]; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days [are] vanity.

      Job 7:16


      August 19, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Don

      @HeavenSent, the book of Psalms is in the Old Testament. Jesus couldn't have said that, moron...

      August 19, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • mitch

      Go ahead and post the deprogramming for the Christian myth, in the hope that HS, Topher, etc. may read same, not that it will do any good.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Reality

      Only for the new members of this blog:

      Deprogramming Judaism and Christianity- Part I (which should be enough)

      OT, god -approved atrociites:

      •Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.

      •Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed.)

      •Joshua: ◦Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.
      ◦Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no survivors."
      ◦Joshua 11: Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]
      ◦TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.

      •Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.
      •Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.
      •Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon
      •Judges 20: Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.

      •1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle.
      •David: ◦2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.

      ◦2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.
      ◦2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.

      •1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.
      •2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.
      •2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.
      •2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans

      •TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Old Testament/Torah.

      The New Testament has only one major atrocity, that of god committing filicide assuming you believe in this Christian mumbo jumbo. Said atrocity should be enough to vitiate all of Christianity.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Patrick

      Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

      August 19, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
  9. HeavenSent

    Good morning my fellow Christians and to all none believers there is still time to accept Jesus as your saviour and avoid satan and the worms and flames for eternity. I am just on my way to church and altough it is a 10 mile uphill walk, both going and returning, it is worth it. Some good news I saved up my food stamps and traded for a double penetration di*ldo with a vibra*ting rotating head that works so good. I have lost a little weight and can satisfy my carnal desires whenever I am in need.

    God Bless ME


    August 19, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent (get a drink of OJ), you need to get a life.

      August 19, 2012 at 7:59 am |
    • Pat

      A 10 mile walk uphill? Is that in the snow, during an ice storm that followed that earthquake and with no shoes or shirt on your back and no jacket and no mittens to keep your hands warm and no hat to keep your head warm and is that 10 mile uphill walk trekking acroos the rocky mountains?

      August 19, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Pat

      Hey Heaven Sent, maybe you should ask Obama for a handout so you don't have to walk 10 miles uphill in an ice storm with no shoes on your feet and etc.

      August 19, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Patrick

      BukhariV1B7N1331 "The Prophet said, 'I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe by His terrorizing my enemies. 2. The earth has been made for me. 3. Booty has been made lawful for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession. 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.'"

      August 19, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  10. Reality

    And is Eboo Patel is working for a better world?

    See some added information below:

    Eboo Patel pays himself well ($120,000/yr) from his Interfaith Youth Core "non-profit" group's receipts (donations etc.) which, based on the group's IRS Form 990, appears to be more of a stock holding company ($2,335,960 portfolio in 2008- guidestar.org) for Mr. Patel than it is a non-profit.

    Non-profits do not pay taxes on dividends, interest or capital gains.

    Did Eboo Patel's Interfaith Youth Core work for Obama's election campaign as we see Eboo is not only on a rather recent Chicago Council of Global Affairs' task force but also formerly on Obama's Faith advisory council?

    Did a Faith Initiative grant from the State Department help defray the cost of CCOGA's report and Mr. Patel's task force pay?


    August 19, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • Reality

      Oops, make that "Is Eboo Patel working for a better world"????

      August 19, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • mitch

      Are you saying some of these religious types are only in it for the money? I could list a number of evangelists and preists/bishops names that were also in it for the se*x.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • Patrick

      Qur'an 33:36 "No Muslim has any choice after Allah and His Apostle have decided a matter."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Jose M. Pulido

      That's right. The FBI should investigate his shady bookeeping practices and see if the money he receives is used as he claims it is; if not, he should be put in jail. There area bunch of Muslim con artists and swindlers enriching themselves with the American tax-payers' money. On top of that, innocent contributors finance his spreading of his deadly ideology called Islam.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
  11. truth be told

    There is no compatibility between Christian and Muslim. Christians worship God, Muslims worship an idol.

    August 19, 2012 at 7:15 am |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Islam accepts the New Testament of the Christians and the Old Testament of the Jews as Divinely inspired works and, just as Jews and Christians, believe in only one God. Christians and Muslims believe in the same God, the one God.

      "Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: "We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection" (Insegnamenti, VIII/2, [1985], p. 497). The patrimony of revealed texts in the Bible speaks unanimously of the oneness of God. Jesus himself reaffirms it, making Israel's profession his own: "The Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Mk 12:29; cf. Dt 6:4-5). This oneness is also affirmed in the words of praise that spring from the heart of the Apostle Paul: "To the king of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen'"(1 Tm 1:17)."
      - Pope John Paul II
      L'Osservatore Romano
      Weekly Edition in English
      12 May 1999, page 11

      August 19, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • Chick-a-dee


      August 19, 2012 at 7:28 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Islam is the religion of the Quran, and in Arabic Islam means "submission to his [Allah's] will". Their prophet's name is Muhammad (570-632 AD). Neither Allah, nor Muhammad, are mentioned in the Bible, yet, the Quaran acknowledges Moses and Jesus.

      The Quran confirms the truth of the Bible. In other words, the Quran pronounces the Jewish Scriptures and the gospel of Jesus Christ as truth from Allah.

      It was We [Allah] who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. (S.5, A.44)

      We [Allah] did indeed aforetime give the Book to Moses: Be not then in doubt of its reaching (thee): And We made it a guide to the Children of Israel. (S.32, A.23)

      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

      John 14:6


      August 19, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • Mary Had a Little lamb

      don't forget bother worship Jesus

      August 19, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Patrick

      Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"
      Qur'an 9:3 "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations."
      Qur'an 66:2 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
      Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, 'War is deceit.'"
      Qur'an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    August 19, 2012 at 7:13 am |
  13. Duh

    I'm not sure why anyone would want an evangelical to like them let alone love them, it would be impossible to stop the "Jesus!!" ringing in your ears.

    August 19, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Topher

      What's wrong with that?

      August 19, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • PeterVN

      Topher, as the great blog quote says, "Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the stupid, and the cowardly, and for those who would profit from them."

      August 19, 2012 at 5:32 am |
    • rick

      topher: because it would be annoying

      August 19, 2012 at 6:46 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Duh, PeterVN and rick ...

      Jesus wrote about the non-believers in the following scriptures:

      Fool (66)
      Foolish (52)
      Foolishly (12)
      Foolishness (20)
      Fools (42)
      Fool's (7)

      I'll post one of my favorites about the non-believers of the world.

      The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.

      Psalms 14:1


      August 19, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • JWT

      It's typical twaddle – with us or against us. A sure sign that your version of a god is invalid. A message of intolerance by a foolish god.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • Duh HS

      Your jesus was an illiterate con man with a gift for the gab and was dumber than a bag of hammers, much like you. His twelve butt buddies wrote all his speaches and handled all the administration and chatted up his so called miracles and when he died young came up with the resurection gambit. The apostles were smart, jesus did not write diddly squat, get over it.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • HeavenSent

      O ye sons of men, how long [will ye turn] my glory into shame? [how long] will ye love vanity, [and] seek after leasing? Selah.

      Psalms 4:2

      His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue [is] mischief and vanity.

      Psalms 10:7


      August 19, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Patrick

      Qur'an 66:1 "O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts. And Allah is Forgiving, Most Kind. Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
      Bukhari:V4B52N143 "The Prophet told an Ansar, 'Choose one of your slave boys to serve me in my expedition to Khaybar.' So, he chose me, even though I was just nearing puberty. I served Muhammad when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, 'Allah! I seek refuge with you from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men.'"
      Qur'an 8:29 "O you who believe! If you obey and fear Allah, He will grant you a criterion to judge between right and wrong, or a way to overlook your evil thoughts and deeds."
      Ishaq:288 "The Quraysh said, 'Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive. Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill.'"

      August 19, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Of course the writters of the bible addressed non believers. I mean given the sheer quantity of batshit crazy stuff they were suggesting if they didn't cover their bases and talk about the doubters and non believers then most folks would have clearly seen the big con for what it is.

      August 21, 2012 at 10:19 am |
  14. Robert

    Why Evangelicans donate and suport Israel, because they believe that when they convert it will be the second coming of the Mesiah, Israelis aceept the money and laugh at the ignorance and naivete of Evangelicals, and they should know that Islam do not accept converts, they kill them, no building of churches, no preaching, that Christians and Catholics are been killed, churches burned all over the Muslim world.
    We are as far from Islam values as we are from martians values, if they exist. Beware of Islam, before we know we will loose our way of life.

    August 19, 2012 at 1:00 am |
  15. Robert

    It is offensive to think that Catholism is the same as Islam, we do not marry little girls to adults, we do not mutilate females, it is a sin to have 4 wives, we do not beat our wives.
    We are not promised virgens and paradaise if we kill non catholics.
    Read Londonistan a book on how Islamization changed Great Britain and you will see that is happing here.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:52 am |
    • PeterVN

      Sure, catholicism isn't currently that violent since it has been diluted from its earlier extremes, but it is still just another supersti.tion for the gullible and the stupid. It sure has that in common with Islam.

      August 19, 2012 at 5:34 am |
    • rick

      no, Robert, they just molest altar boys and then play hide-the-pervert

      August 19, 2012 at 6:48 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Catholics follow the teachings of Jesus Christs, as well as the majority of the priests. It's those at the top who haven't a clue.

      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

      John 14:6

      August 19, 2012 at 8:07 am |
    • Just Sayin'

      You did in the 15th century

      August 22, 2012 at 8:29 am |
  16. Mennoknight

    The Roman Catholic Church is not the same church it was 40 years ago before John Paul. Some things that he did to mend fences:
    Apologized to Mennonite for the Catholic churches' killing of my Mennonite ancestors.
    Apologized to the Muslims for the Crusades
    Apologized to Protestant churches for the terrible wars they waged on them 400 years ago.
    They do serves in the vernacular today
    They willingly take part in local ministerial meetings as an equal partner (not looking down on the rest)
    They do great work with the poor in developing nations (Africa and India come to mind)
    They work hand in hand with other organizations such as Mennonite Disaster Service to help clean up and rebuild after disasters like Katrina as an equal partner.
    They fight for family values such as the right to life more fiercely than any other organization and they have garnered our respect as Mennonites for this.

    Simply put, the Roman Catholic Church is not the same as it was 40 years ago and I personally appreciated them very much.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • Duh

      If only Hitler had had 40 years to change his policy and apologize too...

      August 19, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Hosea 4:6


      August 19, 2012 at 8:12 am |
  17. Reality

    All followers of religion to include Mr. Patel are actually "Mythians" considering the mythical foundations of the major religions i.e. there was no Abraham, no Moses, no Noah, no Easter, no virgin birth and no Gabriel and therefore no angelic revelations to Mary or Mohammed.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • Topher

      How do you know non of those people existed?

      August 19, 2012 at 1:11 am |
    • Max

      @ topher ..... ah how do you know they did? – letmeguesscausethebiblesaysso – right?

      August 19, 2012 at 5:02 am |
    • Reality

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."


      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      August 19, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • Reality


      Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

      "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
      Some added references to "tink-erbells".


      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:


      August 19, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, try and think who writes all the garbage you buy into. I know you can do it if you try. You need to read about the four horns in the Bible.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Bob

      HeavenSent is referring to the Four Horns of the Four Unicorns, which are actually more real than her sky fairy.

      August 21, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  18. Leo

    See how the Muslim Brotherhood loves Christians!!


    August 18, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What a shock! Leo cites 'World Nut Daily' as a source. How appropriate for a nut-case.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Leo

      So since it is reported by a Christian Network its wrong? Nut Case?

      Number of Christian Martyrs Worldwide:

      An average of 171,000 Christians worldwide are martyred for their faith per year.

      Guess who does most of these murders?

      August 18, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, you idiot. I can cite the National Enquirer as a source, Leo Limpdick, but anyone who'd take it seriously would have to be stupid and/or ignorant.

      Now, do you have a reliable, neutral, widely accepted sourced to cite, or would you prefer to be an idiot?

      August 18, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • Leo

      Like CNN? LOL

      August 18, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Leo

      I am still laughing!! Tom I feel your pain! Good Night!

      August 18, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      CNN would be more likely to be accurate than WND. But of course, you're such a fvcking idiot you wouldn't recognize that, would you, Leo?

      How fvcking stupid are you?

      August 18, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Run away, Leo, you little coward. Tuck your balls between your legs and take off!

      August 18, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Leo ...I do not ,for one minute, think that the muslin faith offers any thing other than horrors for society ... but all religions are in it for themselves and their particular god or prophet .. and as such how do you see any resolution to the time bomb that is the coming god wars. Religions and belief in gods are the bane of society ..we have allowed this madness to infiltrate too far already..Until we see that religion is a hobby, and being human is the real job.. I see no hope.

      August 19, 2012 at 1:02 am |
    • Run Leo run!

      Or else Tom Tom will "sourced" you. lol!

      August 19, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • Run Leo run!

      "Now, do you have a reliable, neutral, widely accepted sourced to cite, or would you prefer to be an idiot?"

      May I ask if those 3 requirements (reliable, neutral, widely accepted) must be present to make those who believe it not idiots?

      August 19, 2012 at 1:28 am |
    • Patrick

      haq:307 "The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, 'It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.' Those who were fighting said, 'If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.' Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, 'By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.' When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Patrick

      Qur'an 64:16 "Fear Allah as much as you can; listen and obey. Pay the zakat. Those saved from covetousness prosper. If you loan to Allah a beautiful loan, He will double it. He will grant Forgiveness: for Allah is most ready to appreciate."
      Tabari VI:82 "I asked Abbas, 'What is this religion?' He answered, 'This is Muhammad bin Abdallah, who claims that Allah has sent him as His Messenger with this religion and that the treasures of Chusroes and Caesar will be given to him by conquest.'"
      Ishaq:113 "When I was a merchant I came to Mecca during the hajj pilgrimage. While I was there a man came out to pray and stood facing the Ka'aba. I asked, 'What is their religion? It is something new to me.' Abbas said, 'This is Muhammad who alleges that Allah has sent him with it so that the treasures of Chusroes and Caesar will be open to him."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
  19. Urafkntool

    nobody in their right mind loves third world muslim trash. I'd love them to be back in their own countries tho. Same with Me-s-ti-zo-s, N–e-gro-e-s, and Asiatics tho.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • Sid

      Uranfkn racist bigot.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'll bet they don't give a rat's azz what you'd prefer. I'll bet they don't give a rat's azz if you drop dead. I'll be 98% of US citizens agree with them. I'll bet you can't produce a shred of evidence that I'm wrong. I'll bet you're a fvcking azz who never got past 10th grade.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Sid

      And my first post was correct.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • rick

      urafkntool: come and get me, big mouth. big bad keyboard warrior.....what a punk

      August 19, 2012 at 6:50 am |
  20. Sid

    You know this one isn't going to end well.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • George

      Are you refering to gay Muslim – gay evangelist love triads?

      August 18, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Sid

      See. See. I told you so.

      (but LOL george that's pretty funny comment)

      August 18, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • Patrick

      Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
      Qur'an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Patrick

      The quotes moslems present are phony as their prophet.
      The quotes I present are from their religious books.
      Ishaq:326 "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah's enemies."
      Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."
      Ishaq:588 "When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves."
      Tabari IX:42 "We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized."

      August 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
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