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August 20th, 2012
11:40 AM ET
Girl held on Pakistan blasphemy chargeBy Katie Hunt and Nasir Habib, CNN (CNN) - An 11-year-old Christian girl has been arrested and detained on charges of blasphemy for allegedly desecrating pages from the Quran in the Pakistan capital Islamabad. According to a statement released by the President's office on Sunday, the girl, identified as Ramsha, was accused by a local resident of burning pages of the Muslim holy text after she gathered paper as fuel for cooking. Local media reports said the girl has Down syndrome. CNN was unable to confirm these reports, however Qasim Niazi, the police officer in charge of the police station near where the incident took place, said the girl did not have a mental disorder but was illiterate and had not attended school. The accused girl had told him she had no idea there were pages of the Quran inside the documents she burnt, he added. Niazi said that 150 people had gathered on Friday where the neighborhood's Christian population lived and threatened to burn down their houses. "The mob wanted to burn the girl to give her a lesson," he told CNN. Other Christian families living in the area have fled fearing a backlash, he added. FULL STORY
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We need a mass burnathon of religious books
Get all the Torah, Koran's, Bible's, and every copy of Dianetics ever published and use them to run a steam generator to provide power to SEALAB.
It is a truly viable fuel source! Must be TRILLIONS of them in print.
But all those greenhouse gasses William. When you're done the planet will look like Venus.
Yeah, there's the atheist vision for the future. Burnt books!
Everywhere I go, I'm a bi.tch. Never fails.
I not know like bad evil people watch video http://www.youtube.com/stupidvideoaboutbadevilpeople
please watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92uOTF6Tho
this lady speak the truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92uOTF6Tho
she supposly burning the quran who gives a fk i wud burn all of them books its not a holy book its a booking of evil teaching from muhhamud ......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInWxJYWY-c
Therefore I cannot act, or create, or do anything. So don't bother to pray to me.
I cannot type either. Shut up. I'm working on explaining this one.
If someone would burn my own, personal Bible edition, I would not require the state or anybody to punish him. At most I would wish that the "torch" pays my Bible, so that I can buy a new edition.
Let us use the common sense: If someone burns an edition of the Koran, he or she doesn't burn the worldwide saved text of the Koran, but only one ridiculous edition. Assumed I would burn one edition of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, I would not destroy the whole work Romeo and Juliet which is saved worldwide.
Hence, the Muslims should not upset too much about such a small incident. There a billions of Koran editions on earth, and it is easy to replace the burned one.
Which book is more trustworthy? The Bible or the Koran?
I have read both books, and must say that the Bible is absolutely trustworthy, but the Koran is a cheap novelette in comparison with the Bible.
The Bible contains very much historical information. In the Bible you can find information about many people which have really existed, furthermore informations about many real historical events and places. The Bible is a book which really refers to the real life, real earth, real world and real human society. The Bible is associated with our real life, it is not delusional.
In contrast the Koran can be summed up to one ridiculous statement: There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his prophet. Can anybody tell me what this has to do with the history of the world before 610 a. D when Muhammad started to preach the "Religion of Truth"?
The true Religion: Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God or God himself. He became man, and has borne our sins on the cross. If we believe that, and get sacramentally baptized, we get delivered and receive forgiveness. After baptism our old man of sin has died, and we are "in Christ". "In Christ" we can overcome the lust of our body, and love God and our neighbour.
The bible is trustworthy?? Give us a break !!!
Added details:
1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482
“New Torah For Modern Minds
Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
prob•a•bly
Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.
The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html
For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".
Current RCC problems:
Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!
2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).
Current problems:
Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,
Welcome, Rainer. Do you mind if I ask which denomination you are?
There are plenty of other works of fiction out there that you can read. I prefer Orson Scott Card but there are many other authors out there. Go with the classics. They also make more sense than the bible.
What ? No wall of scripture verses ? I want my Bible verses, and my daily Rainer sermon. C'mon dude.
We're waiting for our daily sermon.
@Topher
I am more or less a Lutheran. I appreciate scriptures of Dr. Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Dr. Martin Luther. I live in Germany. The German Evangelical Church has entered a state of crisis (ordination of gay pastors; proclamation of the gospel of the "cheap grace"), and thus I cannot join that church, although I am a Protestant.
I hope and pray that God will give a second Reformation in Germany and the USA.
Rainer Braendlein
I'm a Baptist myself. I did not know that about the church in Germany. Lutheran is the predominant denomination there, isn't it?
"I hope and pray that God will give a second Reformation in Germany and the USA."
Amen to that.
@Topher
Germany has about 80 Million inhabitants. About 25 Million of them are Roman Catholic, about 25 Million of them belong to the German Evangelical Church.
The German Evangelical Church contains Lutheran Churches, Reformed Churches and United Churches.
The only good thing of the GED and RCC is that they keep the sacramental baptism (including infant baptism). It is only that they do not teach rightly about baptism, and thus most German Christians are only nominal Christians. They regard baptism as a free ticked for heaven, but do not follow Jesus in daily life.
Rainer Braendlein
Right. We have to remember that Baptism doesn't save anyone. There's a couple of denominations here that are teaching the same thing.
I do believe that the burning of books, like the Koran, is highly immoral but the girl should not be punished for the burning of the Koran. The thought of burning a living human beings, especially by oneself, is far worse than burning books. Plus, punishing this little illiterate girl for blasphemy is completely barbaric.
Sorry to hear an 11 years old had to pay the price for living in a country of rodents.
islam is dirty relgion there arent humans but evil people brainwashed by there so called holy book quran which an idiot called muhhumad wrote
Please come up with some original trolling. This banal xenophobic drivel is getting old.
Where are the Christains that claim athiests single out Christians when you need them?
They are busy singling out atheist.
* atheists
So much for the religion of peace.
So much for a God of love.
What do you mean?
Just saying that if this act discredits the religion of it's followers, wouldn't it also discredit the God who created them?
You break the law and you pay the price. Simple as that.
The stupidity, terror and horror of Islam never ends. Is there a peaceful and easy solution?
Actually, there is:
From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–
The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)
Are you ready?
Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.
The First Five of the 77 Branches:
"1. Belief in Allah"
aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.
"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."
Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".
"3. To believe in the existence of angels."
A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.
"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."
Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.
Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.
Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.
"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
be upon him) alone."
Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!
Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.
Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..
Tommie Tom you're a putz, cough fool and a liar against His truth. You prideful athiests don't abide in Jesus' truth. I can't find my lady parts. Stay on the wrong side of the gulf until you are blotted out for eternity.
Amen.
Just because you capticalize the word "Him", "His", or "Truth" doesnt make it any more true. It is a work of fiction and that is all it will ever be.
There is no more truth in the bible than there is in Lord of the Rings.
@Honey Badger
They are blocking my posts again. You athiests are dried up dead bones and you must like worms because your own personal worm will eat your fat drippings for all eternity. I am sitting on a dead cat. Logic?? I don't require a single shred to define my beliefs. Pay no attention to the small minded fools that got their brain fried.
Amen.
and you r3tard3d christians still think that the book was written under the inspiration of god, yet was only written by a bunch of men to control people, then edited by more men for power and wealth. History is your friend.
religion; a way to control the weak minded
Which part of the Bible is controlling you? And who is gaining power and wealth from it?
Preahcers and churches gain power and money by lying about the existence of a god.
Pete
Fair enough, but I think that depends on what kind of church you are going to. For instance, at my church my pastor is paid a salary and so makes no extra money no matter how much is given in the offering plate. And I can tell you he doesn't make all that much. I make more than him and I don't make all that much myself. Now there are some out there preaching a false gospel and making a lot of money (see their clothes, homes and cars) but you can't blame the Bible if they aren't preaching God's word.
Preahcers and churches gain power and money by lying about the existence of a god.
Any religion based on Mohammed is gonna lick balls, because Mohammed does in fact lick balls.
kindness
Fuk Mohammed, fuk him up his stupid as.s.
HeavenSent
Mohammed is a one-note joke that only retards follow. He is fuking clown shoes. If he were real I’d beat the sh.it out of him for being so stupid.
Bad Just Sayin’
All you motherfukers are gonna pay! You are the ones who are the ball-lickers! I am gonna fuk your mothers while you watch and cry like little whiney bi.tches. I am gonna make you eat my sh.it, then sh.it out my sh.it and then eat your sh.it that’s made up of my sh.it that I made you eat!
Mohammed
Replace the word Muhammed with Abraham.
Expletive deleted.
Mohammed is the worst prophet I have ever heard of. He is a stupid d.ildo. A loser with dumb-a.s.s parables like a third rate Moses or Bill and Ted.
Huebert
Could someone tell us what the basis for punishing blasphemy is?
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's in the Koran or Hadith. Where does this come from?
It comes from their fucked up idea of what Allah the merciful and totally imaginary wants from them. They are pitiful repulsive shits that no one would ever want anything from except that they die in some place out sight.
Not that the idiots who made the law would care, but it's being falsely use. A Christian destroying the Quran (accidentally or intentionally) isn't blasphemy, anymore than A Jew saying Jesus isn't special is. An act/statement can only be blasphemous if you follow the religion you're insulting.
Watch. If you are a Christian, and you say "God can bite me, I'm not going to church on Sunday and he's to weak to make me", then you are insulting the deity you hold as the ruler of the universe, whose rules you've said you follow, and you are acting directly counter to them. That is blasphemous. I, an atheist, can say "the Christian God sniffs cat farts" and it isn't blasphemous, because you CAN'T insult something you don't believe exist. I don't revere that god, so it is impossible for me to be irreverent.
Still, Pakistan doesn't care, it's being used as a control mechanism (like all organized religions are); and if we are all very smart and lucky we will uphold the intent of the framers of the Consttution and this will NEVER happen in our country
There are enough christians that believe with no doubt that their god is the one and only and we all must worship it. To them it does not matter if we believe or not or if we believe in a different god. HS is a good example.
They are no different in many respects than the people making the law in Pakistan. They provide excellent example of the vlaue of separation of church and state and regretfully set an example we do need to beware of.
@JWT,
Agree completely. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that we specifically need to worry about Islam establishing this kind of law in the US, we must be diligent to ensure that NO religion does, that they stay out of government and in the people who want them's hearts and minds where they bring them comfort in times of doubt (the 1 good thing that religion does).
Agreed.
JWT
I am also one who says Jesus Christ is the only God, but I will say you don't have to worship Him. That's your choice, though I think it foolish if you don't. I would also say it is still blasphemy even if you don't believe. Belief doesn't have much to do with it. The matter is whether it is true or not. Just because you don't believe in God and you blaspheme Him, if He is real, it IS blasphemy and you will be held accountable to it.
Also, you say Christians are no different than the people in Pakistan ... how? We aren't going to kill you if you don't believe.
What? What? What?
You have the same mindset. It's a hort step from considering people who know a truth other than yours to be fools and blasphemers to treating the as 2nd class citizens and eventully criminals.
As I said yor mindset s nodifferent than the pakistanis although the end results are slighty different.
JWT
I don't see how it's "a short step." For instance, if you and I knew each other, I wouldn't treat you any less than my Christian friends. If anything, I might be nicer to you. I'd be witnessing, given you things to read or watch, buying you lunches so we can talk ...
As you believe that my time is well spent listening to you talk about christ and thinking I need to read your literature then the odds of our being friends is somewhere south of zero. I have less interest or need of that than I do of knitting. It would not be your religion that bothers me but rather your need to have me beieve in it. Your religion is not mine nor has it ever been and that is the right and truthfull way.
People have a great many dfferent beliefs – it is one of the things that makes the wrld so interesting. What is not necessary nor deisrable is having all people believe the sae thing just because somethong thinks theirs is the one true way.
JWT
I think your time would be well spent finding out what the Scriptures say so you can make an educated decision whether you believe it or not. Do you know how many people go about their lives thinking if they live a good enough life God will let them into Heaven? Do you also know that that is contrary to what the Bible teaches? All I'm saying is that if we were friends, I'd care about you enough to give you the information so you don't make that mistake. I can't force you to believe it. But I'd care enough to tell you ... actually, I care enough now and I don't know you. How bad of a friend would I be if I think I have the answer to eternal life and never share it with you?
I do not believe I am going to heaven or hell as I do not believe in the existance of either. The fact that you believe in god and all that is fine, I have no problem with it. Just remember that I do not believe. I went to sunday school and church when I was younger and know a lot of fine religious people that do believe. We have mutual respect for each other and respect our each other's beliefs. Until he died of cancer I amost had a minister as a step-father. He understood and accepted me as I am.
Once you understand that I do not share your beliefs your harping on my salvation would be just plain rude. There could be no continuing companionship under those circu mstances. I have no need for friendship under any circu mstances and will and do pick and chose who I will be friends with quite carefully.
The bible has a few interesting points in it that are beneficial to any life but I have no need to believe in it all nor to agree that it is any more than a series of books writen by man for man. That you find more in it is obvousy good for you but I never did and have a great many better things to do with my time in life.
In Merica we have nutjobs, actual DA's, who want to try 6-year-olds as adults. The fucks should all go fuck themselves. Pakistanis and Republitards. Shit! I'm burning a Koran for this.
So lets burn a Bible and a Torah and call it even.
All this is giving the otherwise well respected cults a bad name.
Sheesh, all the billions invested in biological weapons, yet these vermin still crawl.
Why invest in bug spray when you refuse to kill the bugs?
Are you really advocating using biological weapons? I can not conceive of a weapon that could go catastrophically out of control more easily than a weaponized biological agent.
What a sad little man you are Mr. Demuth.
Don't you want someone to just do something man? Can't you load VX on drones and just deal with these fucks?
Yes I am
We have fought 5 recent wars with an expenditure of over 25 trillion dollars, and we have failed to have a decisive win.
We have thousands of men losing their minds their lives and indeed their humanity as we speak.
If we intend to force our values on third world theocracies, we should have the courage of our convitions.
If any war is worth fighting, it should also be worth winning.
Otherwise, why bother?
Huebert
One can easily create a genome specific pathogen.
Find the traits you want to get rid of, and target the weapon at those traits.
@Will
The only problem is that pathogens can mutate very quickly. Personally I think that chemical or nuclear weapons would be safer. But I did just finish reading Oryx and Crake so maybe this is just left over paranoia.
Dammit Demuth, if your idea precipitates the event that creates the T-virus I'm going to be miffed. We do not need to trade one type of zombie for another.
I can say that a well-equipped laboratory, not necessarily a large one, can make what anyone would consider an ultra-virulent pathogen, one that could kill a lot of people. Specifying the target of pathogens as one group of humans vs another is out of reach just now except in some specialized cases that aren't what you are looking for.
Hey, you're an intelligent atheist. Why not just use logic and explain their religion is false. Then when they start beheading people you can call them names
Bill Deacon,
You guys have been' praying' against them for about 1400 years now. How's that working out?
Silly, you don't pray against others. You pray for them.
I mean, I pray FOR Christians to win out over all others. But that's not strictly against anyone. Not really.
@Bill
You know just as well as I how weak that argument is.