August 21st, 2012
05:31 PM ET

A look into Romney's religion

(CNN)–For many voters, getting to know Mitt Romney as a candidate also means sorting out facts from fiction about Mormonism.  CNN's Gary Tuchman reports.

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  1. Which God?

    Fukking A it matters. Rock on doG.

    August 22, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Classical


      August 25, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
  2. mormonsarechristian

    If there had been no Nicene Creed or Emperor Constantine, Catholic and Protestant theology would be quite similar to Mitt Romney’s In fact, there would likely be no need for the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) to restore Jesus Christ’s church. Mormons’ theology is based on New Testament Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ are closer to Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormon teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:


    According to a 2012 Pew Forum poll of members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) 98 percent said they believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and 97 percent say their church is a Christian religion. They volunteer 7 times as many hours as does the general population, according to a 2012 University of Pennsylvania study. Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:


    11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (including several presidents) were non-Trinitarian Christians, as is Mitt Romney, who is as faithful as the most devout Founder.

    Contrast Mitt Romney’s faith to that of Barack Obama: Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who was the Obamas’ pastor for twenty years, says “it is hard to tell” if Barack Obama converted from Islam to Christianity”. Wright says “church is not Barack’s thing”

    August 22, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I'm pretty sure the Council of Nicaea had nothing to do with preventing the story that Jesus went to America, or that god is an alien.

      Also, even though I would never vote for him, the fact that church isn't Obama's thing is one of his few redeeming qualities.

      August 22, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • ME II

      Where are you getting this Obama bs? ....Ed Klein? Who's saying that Rev. Wright said something about Obama? What crap.

      August 22, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • Tom Jones

      Your comments about the LDS Church being more like the early Christian Church than any other denomination could not be further from the truth. The LDS go to great lengths to masquerade as Christian by using Christian terminology but they have redefined every Christian doctrine to mean something else. Please let me give you just one example: When a Mormon says "God the Father", they mean a God who "was once a man like us" on another planet before becoming a God. He became a God by obeying all the laws and ordinances of Mormonism, having perfected himself, then dying, being resurrected and progressed in heaven, along with his wives to godhood. The Christian "God the Father" has never changed from the beginning. He has always been God, "from everlasting to everlasting" (Psalm 90:2). There is so much more that I'm afraid to start listing them. But, if you want to know the truth, you are going to have to examine their teaching manuals and "scriptures" to see what they actually believe. They are trained to keep hidden their peculiar beliefs which contradict the Bible and even their own Book of Mormon. For more detail in capsule form, with references to original LDS resources to make your work much easier, go to WhatMormonsDontTell.com . I've been married into Mormonism for 30 years and studied Mormonism for all those years. I'll be happy to answer any questions and I may be contacted at 727-667-4112.

      August 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Joelcannon

      Rational Libertarian. Most Christians do not know their history (or their own doctrine). There was a great dispute about the nature of Jesus. Was he resurrected. Does he have a physical body. What is his relationship to God the Father?
      does the Father has a physical body? What is our relationship to the Father? Are we His children, or just a creation? What is our purpose?

      August 25, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Joelcannon

      Tom Jones, actually, Mormons believe that God the Father is the literal father of our spirits, and that we are created in His image, that Jesus Christ is our spiritual brother, and that we are all children of God (you included). He sent His Son to atone for our sins that we might return to Him, and He wants us to be like Him. He loves us just you love your own children.
      The bible teaches these truths, but not everyone believes them.

      August 25, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
  3. R. Hunt

    As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) I have been blessed beyond what I could ever express here by what is offered in my religion I invite all with and open heart and mind to come and see for themselves.

    "Come and see" go to mormon.org.

    "Come and see" attend a mormon worship service, you will be welcome there.

    "Come and see" talk to a faithful member of the Church, they would love to let you know how their religion has blessed their life.

    August 22, 2012 at 7:59 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      An open heart? Nope, I don't suffer from cardiovascular problems, so I'll pass on the offer. Anyway, I think I have some Native American blood, so I'd probably melt if I entered a Mormon Church, 'cause we all know how much the Mormon alien god hates Native Americans.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • .

      Rational???, Our religion is founded on a belief in native americans. The Book of Mormon is your ancient history. The father of the native american was Lehi, from the tribe of Manasseh, so we teach that you are one of the tribes of Israel. We regard you highly. Where did you ever get these fantastic ideas?

      August 22, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I'm not actually Native American, I just said it to highlight the whole Lamanite thing. In Mormonism, Native Americans were cursed with dark skin for losing the Spirit of God after killing the Nephites. That seems pretty anti Native American to me, especially seeing as there isn't a shred of evidence, historical or genetic, to support it.

      August 22, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      A lost tribe of Israel cursed by God with dark skin, making them inherently inferior.
      Melanin was a sign of evil to Joseph Smith and all other Mormons until 1978 when tthe LDS started to make money off of dark skinner folk.
      "We understand that when God made man in his own image and pronounced him very good, that he made him white. We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race...every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with a countenance bright as the noonday sun." (Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157)
      In 1947, Dr. Lowry Nelson – a Mormon himself – sent a letter to the Mormon First Presidency questioning the official racist doctrines.
      The reply he received said, in part:
      "From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it is has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Neg.roes are not ent.itled to the full blessings of the Gospel.
      "Furthermore your ideas, as we understand them, appear to contemplate the intermarriage of the Neg.ro and White races, a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient partiarchs till now. God's rule for Israel, His Chosen People, has been endogamous."
      – George Albert Smith J. Reuben Clark, Jr. David O. McKay

      Black LDS church member Darron Smith wrote in 2003:
      "Even though the priesthood ban was repealed in 1978, the discourse that constructs what blackness means is still very much intact today. Under the direction of President Spencer W. Kimball, the First Presidency and the Twelve removed the policy that denied black people the priesthood but did very little to disrupt the multiple discourses that had fostered the policy in the first place. Hence there are Church members today who continue to summon and teach at every level of Church education the racial discourse that black people are descendants of Cain, that they merited lesser earthly privilege because they were "fence-sitters" in the War in Heaven, and that, science and climatic factors aside, there is a link between skin color and righteousness"

      August 22, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Primewonk

      " Our religion is founded on a belief in native americans. The Book of Mormon is your ancient history. The father of the native american was Lehi, from the tribe of Manasseh, so we teach that you are one of the tribes of Israel."

      Really? Perhaps you could post the citations to the peer-reviewed scientific research comparing the DNA of Native Americans to tribes in the Middle East from 6,000 years ago?

      August 22, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • .

      (CNN)–After barring a black couple from marrying in its Mississippi facility in late July, the First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs released a statement Sunday apologizing for its actions.

      It would seem that there is a little hypocrisy going on here. Maybe we have had our problems, but we have set them right.

      August 22, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • ME II

      Appreciate the offer, but I can't get past the story of the founding of Mormonism.

      August 22, 2012 at 10:22 am |
  4. Reality


    A business/religious cult based on Joseph Smith's hallucinations which has bought respectability with a $30 billion business empire, the BYU "mission matured" football team and a great choir.

    From: lds-mormon.com/time.shtml

    "The first divergence between Mormon economics and that of other denominations is the t-ithe. Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations. Very few, however, impose a compulsory 10% income tax on their members. Ti-thes are collected locally, with much of the money pas-sed on informally to local lay leaders at Sunday services. "By Monday," says Elbert Peck, editor of Sunstone, an independent Mormon magazine, the church authorities in Salt Lake City "know every cent that's been collected and have made sure the money is deposited in banks." There is a lot to deposit. Last year $5.2 billion in t-ithes flowed into Salt Lake City, $4.9 billion of which came from American Mormons."
    "The Mormons are stewards of a different str-ipe.

    Their charitable spending and temple building are prodi-gious. But where other churches spend most of what they receive in a given year, the Latter-day Saints employ vast amounts of money in investments that TIME estimates to be at least $6 billion strong. Even more unusual, most of this money is not in bonds or stock in other peoples' companies but is invested directly in church-owned, for-profit concerns, the largest of which are in agribusiness, media, insurance, travel and real estate. Deseret Management Corp., the company through which the church holds almost all its commercial as-sets, is one of the largest owners of farm and ranchland in the country, including 49 for-profit parcels in addition to the Deseret Ranch. Besides the Bonneville International chain and Beneficial Life, the church owns a 52% holding in ZCMI, Utah's largest department-store chain.

    All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church's nont-ithe income from its investments exceeds $600 million. "

    "Members of the church celebrate the Lord's Supper with water rather than wine or gra-pe juice. They believe their President is a prophet who receives new revelations from God. These can supplant older revelations, as in the case of the church's historically most controversial doctrine: Smith himself received God's sanctioning of pol-ygamy in 1831, but 49 years later, the church's President announced its recision. Similarly, an explicit policy barring black men from holding even the lowest church offices was overturned by a new revelation in 1978, opening the way to huge missionary activity in Africa and Brazil. "

    August 22, 2012 at 7:36 am |
    • .

      We love the Lord and are happy to contribute to his kingdom. There are no paid clergy or ministers in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We serve each other and the Lord out of Love. Mormon bishops do not charge for their service, not even for weddings or blessings or anything. We do not sell the Lord's gospel for money. Mormon missionaries are motivated by love and concern for others. In fact, many of them pay for their missions with their college funds and by selling cars and possessions. They give up girl friends, family, and lucrative sports and entertainment contracts to serve people they don't even know and who are often unpleasant and unkind. These are the hallmarks of the true church, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

      Reality, you seem jealous of our success. What is it with you, anyway?

      August 22, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      That the LDS hierarchy, worth billions and billions of dollars, has managed to dupe the sheep into paying for the privilege of working for them is a testament to the power of shamanic con-men.
      According to the Deseret News Agency, the propaganda arm of the LDS, the Church has spent some $750 million internationally on charitable works since 1984.
      They have also spent 4 times that amount (approx $3 BILLION) in ¼ of the time to build a mall in Salt Lake City.
      To make sure congregants are paying up, each year they must go before a Bishop for a Ti.thing Settlement.
      A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%.
      Those members who are not paying a full 10% lose their temple recommendations and therefore are in serious jeopardy of losing their Celestial blessings.
      If a member cannot get into the temple, they cannot learn the secret masonic handshake, secret password, secret "new name" and special “sealings”.
      Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.
      That is tantamount to spiritual blackmail.

      August 22, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • Reality

      Answering with a prayer:

      The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      (references used are available upon request)

      August 22, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Im LDS


      August 22, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Reality

      The leaders of the Mormon Church/"Cult" are not paid? Actually, they are paid via being executives of the large Mormon-owned businesses:


      "The Quorum of Twelve's president Ezra Taft Benson was a director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co. Apostle Howard W. Hunter was president of the Polynesian Cultural Center (Hawaii), and director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co., of Continental Western Life Insurance Co., of Deseret Federal Savings and Loan, of First Security Bank of Utah, of First Security Corp., of Heber J. Grant & Co., of PHA Life Insurance Co. (Oregon), of Watson Land Co. (Los Angeles), and of Western American Life Insurance Co. Apostle Thomas S. Monson was president and chairman of the board of Deseret News Publishing Co., vice-president of LDS Social Services and of Newspaper Agency Corp, and director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co., of Commercial Security Bank, of Commercial Security Bankcorporation, of Continental Western Life Insurance Co. (Iowa), of Deseret Management Corp., of IHC Hospitals, Inc., of Mountain States Telephone and Telegraph Co., of Murdock Travel, of PHA Life Insurance Co. (Oregon), of Pioneer Memorial Theater, and of Western American Life Insurance Co. Apostle Boyd K. Packer was chairman of the board of Utah Home Fire Insurance Co., while also director of Murdock Travel and of Zion's First National Bank. Apostle Marvin J. Ashton was president of Deseret Book Co., chairman of the board of ZCMI, and director of Beneficial Development Co., of First Security Bank of Utah, of First Security Corporation, of Laie Resorts (Hawaii), and of Zion's Securities Corporation. Apostle L. Tom Perry was director of American Stores Co. (which operated Skaggs Drugs and Alpha Beta supermarkets), of ZCMI, of Zion's First National Bank, and of Jewel Companies, Inc. (Chicago), and trustee of LDS Social Services and of Nauvoo Restoration. Apostle David B. Haight was director of Bonneville International Corporation, of Deseret Management Corporation, of First Security Bank of Utah, of First Security Corporation, and of Valtek, Inc., while also a trustee of Deseret Management Corporation Foundation. Apostle James E. Faust was vice-president of Deseret News Publishing Co., director of Commercial Security Bank, and of Commercial Security Bank Corporation, while also a trustee of Ballet West and of LDS Social Services. Apostle Neal A. Maxwell was director of Mountain Fuel Resources, Inc., of Mountain Fuel Supply Co., and of Deseret News Publishing Co. Apostle Russell M. Nelson was director of Zion's First National Bank. Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was chairman of the Public Broadcasting System (national), while also director of O.C. Tanner Jewelry Co. and of Union Pacific Railroad."

      August 22, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  5. sylvia

    I don't think he truly believes in anything - including his religion. Whether he does or does not, it's a legitimate issue.

    August 22, 2012 at 6:29 am |
  6. jpbfrance

    In a perfect world I wouldn't care about someone's religious beliefs when seeking elected office. In this case however I very much care because of the influence 'Mormon Values' would have on the presidency. I know Mormon values about women, LGBT, and their history with African Americans. There is also the notion of 'Lying for the Lord' in the LDS Mormon faith. Google it. Basically it is ok to lie if it is for the 'greater good'. Therefore Romney and church leaders can say whatever they want but I am not able to trust them. This is another valid reason to want to see his tax returns.

    August 22, 2012 at 6:08 am |
    • zerkl

      You can't trust Romney but trust Obama? No matter how hard I try I just can not understand any white person supporting him, I do on the other hand understand non-whites support of him. When the war starts white traders must go! Whites have been brainwashed by the Jew owned media to believe having white pride is Racist, but gay, black, pureto rican pride, etc. etc. is ok, lol. America was founded as a white christian country and I will fight to retrieve that again.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:11 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      zerkl: You obviously have not read anything about your constitution. The USA was not founded on christard values but on deist values and is a SECULAR nation, thus the reason for separation of church and state & freedom of and from religion!! You can have your imaginary friend but you must keep your imaginary friend out of the government and the public square. Btw: The USA's land was taken from the Natives. "The colonists came from Great Britain (mostly from England). The land area of the colonies was used by Native Americans, who had a great sense that they belonged to the land and that they should look after it in harmony with Nature. They might not have understood the concept that the the land 'belonged' to them, in the way that European nations carved up land between them and drew borders on maps."

      August 22, 2012 at 6:18 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Stop spreading lie truthprevailsnot. Our country was founded on Christian principles and will remain strong in those principles in spite of you stoners. Stop smoking the wacky weed so your brain cells can clear up.

      When you breath some fresh air, learn what George Washington's farewell address was to our nation.


      August 22, 2012 at 6:32 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HS: Were you not ordered back to your cave??? Run along now and be a good old bat!!! Your country was founded by deists and George Washington's farewell speech means nothing 200 years later. There are no lies in what I speak, just the lies that you spew. You need to reside in the 21st century not the 1st...back to your cave now!!!

      August 22, 2012 at 6:43 am |
    • jpbfrance

      I was taught that lying, discriminating, and suppressing people's right to vote are not 'Christian' values.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:53 am |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthPrevailNot, you're too stoned to say that 3 times quickly. Even if your fried brain cells did weakly work (LOL).

      August 22, 2012 at 6:58 am |
    • doug

      Lying bigot turd

      August 22, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Actually HS, not stoned at all. Just don't think you live in this century and until you do, you deserve every little bit of criticism thrown at you. Have you been tested for schizophrenia?

      August 22, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthPrevailsNot, lies get you no where. Truth is our country and our founding fathers are believed in God. What part of you nonbelievers being traitors to our country are you not willing to sink in?

      August 22, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HS: I don't give rats ass what your imaginary friend tells you think-YOU ARE WRONG. You live in a Secular nation founded by Deists, it is not the problem of the world if you are too lazy to comprehend this simple fact. Separation of church ad state exists for a reason, as does freedom of and from religion. Your buybull can't be used to make any laws, thus much like you, it has no pertinence outside of your home or church. .

      August 22, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • .

      Lying for the Lord??? How absolutely ridiculous! How did you dream that one up? Mormons are valued for our honesty and integrity because we are taught it from our youth. Boy, you are wacko!

      August 22, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthPrevailsNot, Our founding fathers all believed in God. The corruption of the Masonic lodges took place after their generation.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthPrevailsNot, separation of church and state was what you lying atheists did to twist Thomas Jefferson's private letter written years after the first amendment was in place. Jefferson's letter supported all Christians faith while you atheists twisted and turned his truth to your lies. The first amendment doesn't mention your baloney TruthPrevailsNot. If someone is in a court of law, all they need do is ask that the entire first amendment be read and you atheists lies fall to the way side.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      HeavenSent wrote: "separation of church and state was what you lying atheists did to twist Thomas Jefferson's private letter written years after the first amendment was in place. Jefferson's letter supported all Christians faith while you atheists twisted and turned his truth to your lies. The first amendment doesn't mention your baloney TruthPrevailsNot. If someone is in a court of law, all they need do is ask that the entire first amendment be read and you atheists lies fall to the way side."

      You are such a tard, HeavenSent. The provision for separation of church and state in the Const'itution is possibly one of the smartest and most beneficial elements of our common law. Private considerations (regardless of when), although interesting, provide no value – these individual considerations simply do no represent what was agreed upon (even if they agree). Therefore to argue what you wish the First Amendment meant using private writings of a president is just ridiculous. If you want to argue the issue, stop living in "wish-it-were-true" land and quote the Const*itution or judgments by courts that have referenced it since.

      August 22, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      HeavenSent wrote: "Our country was founded on Christian principles"

      Wrong again. The founders may have reflected that what they agreed upon was in harmony with their individual beliefs at that time, but it is obvious from all of their key moments of official agreement (as in the DOI, Const*itution, etc.) that they intended the country be founded on liberty.

      August 22, 2012 at 11:04 am |
  7. zerkl

    Not that it matters anyway, no matter who wins the war still starts in 4 months! I pray for a victory for the Christian white race.

    August 22, 2012 at 6:08 am |
    • collectivedementia

      Put your swastika back in the closet.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:15 am |
  8. zerkl

    Obama has no school records, no work records, a fake birth cert., a stolen ss# and proved terrorist connections and relatives ( raila odinga ), how dare anyone question Romney!

    August 22, 2012 at 6:06 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Conspiracy theories are junk theories!!! You're a fool for believing them! Stop watching FAUX news and you might be slightly more informed!

      August 22, 2012 at 6:20 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      So TP are you saying you have the school records? Can you post the link please?

      August 22, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      School records, seriously? The long-form birth certificate wasn't enough?
      Obama's school record has absolutely no bearing on his qualifications to be the president according to the Consti.tution. If you want to compare Romney's vs Obama's school grades as to which is the better choice, then have fun, but I don't think it's much of a factor.

      August 22, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Seems like a double standard is all. You want Romney to reveal more financial records than are required but Obama's history is "not relevant"

      August 22, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      Again, seriously?
      Are you equating school records with tax returns?
      One key difference, just off the top of my head, is that, beyond secondary education there are no laws requiring education; taxes however are legal obligations.

      August 22, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  9. Jon

    Mr Romney's religion should have little to do with anything. If you are going to vote for him (or for President Obama) then do it for your agreement on political issues. Someones religious beliefs should not be a major factor.

    August 22, 2012 at 5:58 am |
    • Scubasteve

      Finally someone who points out that religion shouldn't determine a persons qualifications for being a President. Thank you Jon! I will vote for the person who's best suited to solve the nations problems & will be a good moral leader....the office of the President demands nothing less.

      August 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Big Al

      Romney's religion is important for anyone so stupid as to buy into Mormonism should never be entrusted with the leadership of our country. Jesus is not coming back to Jackson county Missouri and Joseph Smith is a fake. Romney's grandfather had multiple wives and Romney wears magic underwear if he is a true mormon.

      October 10, 2012 at 11:38 am |
  10. broadthought

    "The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity.... "Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism." –Reverend Bird Wilson, 1831

    August 22, 2012 at 5:52 am |
    • truth be told

      Who is bird wilson that he should be given any credibility? Joe the guy who delivered ice in 1831 thought bird wilson was an uninformed jerk.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:02 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Get off the pot broadthought. Clear your mind from the pot and hope your braincells grow back.

      Read George Washington's farewell address to our nation. Pay close attention what he said about ethics, Jesus Christ's teachings and that anyone who's a nonbeliever is a traitor to our nation.


      August 22, 2012 at 6:35 am |
    • doug

      The founders of this country were members of the Masonic order. Subversive traitors from Texas would have us believe that Masons are a Satanic cult. They are traitors. They are also in the forefront of anti-Mormonism.

      August 22, 2012 at 7:33 am |
    • HeavenSent

      The elite at the top of the heap are satanists. Actually, they are Kenites that are true offsprings of Cain who is the son of satan. Mason's are duped Christians into swearing an oath to Baal.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:21 am |
    • Discordia Nocturnum

      I wish we had a satanic president.

      August 22, 2012 at 9:18 am |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    August 22, 2012 at 5:44 am |
    • btreloar

      Nothing fails like prayer.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:51 am |
    • truth be told

      You just did.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:03 am |
  12. Arty Lunch

    One can dispute the divinity of any religion but the Old and New Testaments can show with archeological proof that those people existed. Life was lived as the stories pose. Same in the Koran; the towns existed, the people lived at those places at that time. In the Book of Mormon there is zero archeological evidence ... ZERO! To me, the Book of Mormon is closest to Scientology, written by a Sci-Fi writer. Joseph Smith's time was before Sci-Fi. In Smith's time he wouldn't be a Si-Fi writer, he would just be a con man writing fiction.

    August 22, 2012 at 5:36 am |
    • truth be told

      Joseph Smith was actually a con man plagiarizing fiction. The original novel was the unpublished work of another person.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:55 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      " plagiarizing fiction"

      Fiction? That most definitely is what the buybull is!

      August 22, 2012 at 6:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Traitors to our country and all countries are what the sickness of atheism is.

      Get off the pot losers.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:37 am |
    • Big Al

      There is no archaeological proof that most of these biblical people lived at all and there is no credible writings of Jesus's miracles outside of the bible. why weren't any accounts of these miracles written about by his living contemporaries at the time? It makes no sense. There were plenty of writers who lived during that time. It is all bunk and how can anyone who uses logic and reason in every other aspect of their lives buy intyo this biblical malarky?

      October 10, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  13. uitsteckend

    It's so funny seeing the Republican ticket shape up and seeing evangelicals plan to go out to vote for Romney. I was born into an evangelical household and I have been told since my birth, in no uncertain terms, that Mormonism is not Christianity. It is a cult and blasphemous and they are not to be believed or trusted. But now most of these people are going to vote for him? I guess Obama is black, so that trumps it?

    August 22, 2012 at 5:33 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      No, Obama is a socialist. That trumps it.

      August 22, 2012 at 9:48 am |
  14. N. Meinzer

    Reading on LDS founders: No Man Knows My History, The 27th Wife.

    August 22, 2012 at 5:18 am |
  15. Charles Kane

    We have two people running for president. One is a Christian. The other is Mitt Romney. Mormonism is incompatible with Christian belief. Mitt is terrified to tell the real truth about his religion.

    August 22, 2012 at 5:09 am |
    • Im LDS

      The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint's http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng Do some real research.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:18 am |
  16. John Matthew

    Why don't you look in to Huseyin Barak Obama's Religion ?

    August 22, 2012 at 4:46 am |
    • btreloar

      A President's or candidate's religion matters little compared to his character.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:52 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      John: You mean the fact that he is christian??? There is no evidence saying anything else, just a lot of dumb ass assumptions made by dumb ass people!

      August 22, 2012 at 6:27 am |
  17. TheRationale

    As Sam Harris said, it's necessarily more insane than Christianity because it's Christianity plus an extra book.

    August 22, 2012 at 4:41 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I prefer what George Washington said. Atheists are traitors to our country.

      Time to learn truth rationale, instead of puking those lies.

      George Washington's Farewell Address:


      August 22, 2012 at 4:51 am |
    • rokidtoo

      @HeavenSent – Washington also owned 300+ slaves. He was a great man, but he wasn't perfect.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:12 am |
    • HeavenSent

      There has been slavery throughout history. Jews were slaves to the Egyptians and look what they accomplished. You didn't think the engineers that built the pyramids were Egyptians (LOL).

      August 22, 2012 at 5:35 am |
    • Chris

      Scholars believe that Giza housed a skeleton crew of workers who labored on the Pyramids year-round. But during the late summer and early autumn months, when the Nile flooded surrounding fields, a large labor force would appear at Giza to put in time on the Pyramids. These farmers and local villagers gathered at Giza to work for their god-kings, to build their monuments to the hereafter. This would ensure their own afterlife and would also benefit the future and prosperity of Egypt as a whole. They may well have been willing workers, a labor force working for ample rations, for the benefit of man, king, and country.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:45 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Chris, secular scholars (LOL). The Jewish slaves built the pyramids. God ensured they got out of their captivity. While Moses lead them to the promise land, God ensured none of those idol worshipers survived. Mmmh, you don't see any of the pharoah's lineage living today. Same will happen to all the nonbelievers. They will be no more.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:14 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HeavenSent: Typical of you to make threats that don't mean a damn thing!! Back to your cave you old bat!!!

      August 22, 2012 at 6:30 am |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthPrevailsNot, flush the weed down the toilet. Pray to Jesus that your brain cells grow back. If HE does this for you. Use them.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:40 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HS: Jealous that I'm not sharing?? Education is your friend!! Weed is not dangerous to society but the crack you smoke is!!

      August 22, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • Ned

      HS must have a funny bone today. Keep it goin! This is good!

      August 22, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Let me get this correct TruthPrevailsNot. Because you smoke pot you assume everyone must be using a substance. Are you kidding me? Get off your parents couch, get a job and move out. Then when you do something for a living, we will talk.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      the ultra tard HeavenSent wrote: "I prefer what George Washington said. Atheists are traitors to our country."

      I don't care if you prefer George Washington, Richard Nixon, Dr Oz or Mr Magoo, again – we live by the laws of the country, not by what any one person wrote or said. While you may hold this view of atheism, I think most reasonable, educated people who have read a few of your posts quickly recognize your extremist lunacy for what it is.

      August 22, 2012 at 11:25 am |
  18. acs451

    Absolutely astonishing, I have argued with mormons at my door many times, Totally delusional bs religion, Really the golden tablets, that no one else saw, even the jews story had everyone seeing the tablets. Look closely at this and then at scientology, same bs. Talk to the people in a little town in Ark. who's great grandparents made the trip out west in the 1800's only to massacured in utah, all of them men women and children, they can tell you about mormonism in Ark.
    A religion born from the art of a flim flam man, snake oil salesman. treasure hunter my ass... they like to rewrite history, ok so how important is this to being a president. duh.. anyone who can believe this can also be deluded to believing that its their destiny to be the messenger from god (GW BushH) and do what they need to do, recall "son of sam" , or Jim Jones, Haggert, Jim Baker, seems as though people are gullible enough to believe anything, LR Hubbard had one thing right if you want to get rich quick "start a religion". throw in a little Masons, Mormon, and bs, make up the rest and claim divinity. wow..

    August 22, 2012 at 4:40 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheist know nothing, do nothing, stand for nothing, but, what's in it for them.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:10 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HS: Without Atheists, you wouldn't have that computer you are using. Back to your cave you old bat!!

      August 22, 2012 at 6:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Computers weren't built by atheists. Patents were put on computer technology by an atheist. That's as far as that goes.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:42 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      HS: YES THEY WERE...Steve Jobs is an Atheist; Mark Zuckerberg is an Atheist; Bill Gates is Deist. Try doing a little research idiot...without Atheists and science you have nothing. Next time you get sick, do us a favor and do not use the medicine that science has provided you with...try praying and see how well that works for you!

      August 22, 2012 at 7:49 am |
    • Ned

      correction: Steve Jobs was an atheist, now he's a believer, lol

      August 22, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually, Jobs is sitting on the wrong side of the gulf. We'll find out his answer after the day of the Lord.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      LOL TruthPrevailsNot. God gave man everything. Some, intelligence.

      August 22, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      TP The printing press was invented by a Catholic. Does that mean you should stop reading?

      August 22, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • CypressSteve

      @ACS451: Perhaps even more astonishing is someone who so virulently speaks of the beliefs of others with absolute certainty, yet fails to know even the most basic of history or Mormon beliefs. May I suggest that you stop arguing with Mormons at your door and simply open the Book of Mormon to the first few pages wherein you will find the testimony of 3 witnesses, then 8 withnesses, who handled the plates described by Smith. So you don't believe them, either, I suppose, and would likely argue that they were paid off, delusional, or worse.

      As long as you approach your quest for truth with a penchant for argument, you will not likely find any. That doesn't make anything you personally believe any more or less valid, not does it mean Mormons are crazy. Your delusions are no better, or worse, than theirs. And if you wish to go back more than 100 years into what happened to the poor souls from AR, I hope you will also be as sympathetic to the plight of those at Haun's Mill.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  19. doctore0

    Mormonism is not more crazy than other religions..it's just as crazy. Religion is a fancy name over crazy. Face it 🙂

    August 22, 2012 at 4:36 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Doc Zero, George Washington says you are a traitor to our country.

      Time to get a real education than listening to your atheists cronies and teachers by reading the truth in George Washington's Farewell Address:


      August 22, 2012 at 4:52 am |
      • doctore0

        If you want to be angry, be angry at those who sold you the magic man.

        August 22, 2012 at 4:54 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Zero, I'm talking to you from experience. Atheists destroyed my career, my personal life, my credit history and my finances. I was left as road kill. By folks that think, or rather not think, just as you.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:13 am |
    • N. Meinzer

      To those who sight George Washington in their arguments,

      George Washington was a murderer and certainly no one to look to for a moral compass:

      He was the first president because he was a military figurehead the populous would accept as an unelected leader, he didn't even want the job.

      Now back to Mormonism...

      August 22, 2012 at 5:15 am |
    • N. Meinzer

      To those who sight George Washington in their arguments,

      George Washington was a murderer and certainly no one to look to for a moral compass:

      He was the first president because he was a military figurehead the populous would accept as an unelected leader, he didn't even want the job.

      Now back to Mormonism...

      August 22, 2012 at 5:23 am |
    • HeavenSent

      N. Meinzer, what part of nonbelievers are traitors to our country do you not understand?

      August 22, 2012 at 5:41 am |
      • doctore0

        Dear HeavenSent.. You speak like the Taliban.. So sad how religion poisons everything.

        August 22, 2012 at 5:45 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Doc Zero, again you lie as you twist things around. I'm a patriot and you are the threat to our country with your babbling lies.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:17 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      No worries Doc0, HS is old and still believes in fairy tales...don't mind her senile rantings...just have fun insulting her!

      August 22, 2012 at 6:32 am |
    • HeavenSent

      You stoners are too stoned to know what to do TruthPrevailsNot and Doctor Zero. Flush the weed down the toilet.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:45 am |
  20. Drew

    Mormon's warship Joseph Smith. False idol, stealing god's thunder... Not Christian, and HeavenSent, Im glad you know how to use wikipedia but you really can't point to 1 letter like that's the reason our nation is Christian, the forefathers went out of their way to make sure we had freedom FROM religous freaks trying to impose their views on others. Read a book about it or read up Google "Tom Jefferson and Religion". Personally I'm uncomfortable with anyone who takes their religion too seriously. I want a president who believes in facts, not imaginary ghosts that tell him to start wars and restrict women's rights, gay rights, personal freedoms in the name of THEIR religion.

    August 22, 2012 at 4:24 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Drew. You may believe your lies. But, our founding fathers know that our country was founded on Christian principles and our First president said you nonbelievers are traitors to our nation. The first amendment protects our rights to believe in God. No where in the first amendment does it mention the lies you atheist spew.

      You are a disgrace.

      August 22, 2012 at 4:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Another thing Drew. You atheists talk talk talk, but, never do the walk. You're posting to a person that walked through the fires for rights.

      August 22, 2012 at 4:57 am |
    • Im LDS

      Drew, you are incorrect "Mormons worship joseph smith" that is incorrect If you would really like too learn Fact over Fiction visit http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng. just copy and past into your address bar, i hope with some prayer this will clear things up for you

      August 22, 2012 at 5:01 am |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      HeavenSent is such a tard. I have to assume she slept through government class in high school.

      The founders may have reflected that what they agreed upon was in harmony with their individual beliefs at that time, but it is obvious from all of their key moments of official agreement (as in the DOI, Const*itution, etc.) that they intended the country be founded on liberty – so much so that the very first amendment to the Const*ituion ensures the separation of church and state.

      August 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Scubasteve

      Drew...in all my studying on Mormons I have never once read that Mormons worship Joseph Smith. Infact all the doctrine i've read that Joseph Smith taught he instructed his followers to worship Christ not himself. Ask a Mormon..."do you worship Joseph Smith or Jesus Christ.". They will answer Christ. You don't have to believe Mormanism if you don't want, but do some reading before making blanket statements about what they believe.

      August 22, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Classical

      scubasteve.... no Mormon belief states Jesus Christ Said all glory and worship should go to God not himSelf in the Preexistence when WE were in Spirit form so if they worship Christ they contradict there own teachings. If anyone in the Mormon Church believe they are all true then state publicly that you deny salvation from Jesus and except Wrath! because you live perfectly right?

      August 25, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
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