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 Rick Warren decried what he calls a lack of civility in the presidential race.
August 23rd, 2012
06:12 PM ET
Rick Warren cancels presidential forum; mixed explanations as to whyBy Dan Gilgoff and Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editors (CNN) - High-profile pastor Rick Warren has called off plans for a presidential forum that he said was scheduled to include both major party candidates, but there are conflicting accounts about why the event was canceled. Warren told the Orange County Register that he was nixing his "civil forum" because of the toxic political climate. "It would be hypocritical to pretend civility for one evening only to have the name-calling return the next day," Warren told the newspaper in an article published Wednesday. But sources close to President Barack Obama's and Mitt Romney's political campaigns challenged that explanation, saying the event was canceled because of a lack of interest from the respective campaigns. "As I understand it, Pastor Warren received tepid responses from both camps well before the supposed 'cancellation,'" said a senior Democratic strategist in contact with the Obama campaign. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter "It appears that the event was canceled because neither the Romney nor Obama campaigns thought it was in their interest to do," the strategist continued, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss a delicate political matter. A source close to the Romney campaign said that the former Massachusetts governor hadn't planned on attending Warren's event: “We were never going, ever. We offered to do a video.” A source close to Warren who worked on the event planning disputed the offer of a video from Romney’s campaign, ”considering the unique live, long-form Q & A format of the civil forum, obviously, video representation would have been impossible and was never discussed.” The source said, “presumably the individual who responded on behalf of Gov. Romney confused Pastor Warren’s conversations with top campaign officials about that event with the exclusive five-minute plenary video that both he and President Obama provided at the request of Saddleback Church for a Global Health and HIV/AIDS Summit that Rick and Kay Warren co-hosted with several other ministry organizations at Georgetown University on July 25.” During the 2008 election, Warren played host to both major party candidates at his Saddleback Church in Southern California, in what he called Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency. Warren told the Orange County Register this week that this year's civil forum had been scheduled to take place this week and that there was interest from both campaigns and from the media. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories "[T]he TV networks were eager to cover it again since it garnered one of the largest viewing audiences of that election," Warren said. "I talked with both campaigns about the possibility of doing it again, and they were both favorable to participating." Warren's spokesman declined an interview request on Thursday, referring reporters to the Orange County Register. At the 2008 forum, Obama and Republican presidential John McCain fielded questions one at a time from the pastor on Saddleback's stage in front of 5,000 people and a nationally televised audience. "We’ve got to learn to disagree without demonizing each other, and we need to restore civility in our civil discourse and that’s the goal of the Saddleback Civil Forum,” Warren said in the statement after the event. This week, Warren seemed to criticize both campaigns. "The forums are meant to be a place where people of goodwill can seriously disagree on significant issues without being disagreeable or resorting to personal attack and name-calling," he told the Register. "But that is not the climate of today's campaign." "I've never seen more irresponsible personal attacks, mean-spirited slander and flat-out dishonest attack ads, and I don't expect that tone to change before the election," Warren said. Warren also said a larger issue cast a shadow over the event: religious freedom. "There are widespread attempts to redefine the First Amendment to simply mean 'You are free to believe anything at your place of worship but you are not free to practice your conscience elsewhere,' " Warren told the Register, saying he was planning a forum on religious liberty for next month. Warren used the issue to take special aim at Obama. When asked by the Register what he thought of the candidates views on religious liberties he said, "President Obama's policies clearly show what he values, and I have told him that I adamantly disagree with those particular policies." In February, Warren joined a chorus of Catholic leaders who denounced the administration over the implementation of a policy that required health insurers to provide no-cost contraception coverage to employees, even those working for Catholic hospitals and colleges. "I'm not a Catholic," Warren, a Southern Baptist, wrote on his Twitter feed, "but I stand in 100% solidarity with my brothers & sisters to practice their belief against govt pressure." Most evangelical and conservative Christians from Protestant backgrounds do not oppose the use of contraceptives, as official Catholic teaching does. The issue for those groups was what they saw as a threat to religious liberty. |
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"Warren used the issue to take special aim at Obama."
Yeah, I'm sure this forum would have been fair and balanced.
prove it
II am so glad this event is happening here. I've been a visitor to Saddleback at various points and I find this man to be the most egocentric a** on the planet. When the first forum was announced....he did a fundraiser to raise a few million for digital television recording equipment....and clearly stated that the members of the church were not permitted to go because the seats were saved for worldly dignitaries.
I attend Saddleback and that is a total untruth
On a side note:
Thee Dollhouse, a strip club in Tampa, is gearing up for the upcoming GOP convention. The owner and girls are excited because Republican patrons outspend their Democratic counterparts by a factor of 3. The average family values, religious right conservative spends $150 compared to the miserly $50 spent by those uptight libs.
Seems the conservatives are getting in all the sin they can...makes sense....after all why waste the Almighty Jeebus time by making him deal with just a few paltry sins....give him something he can really sink his teeth into......lol
EXCELLENT! I hope Hustler Magazine will be watching who the patrons are, so they can "out" more "family values" Republicans!
Hey Steve, I would love to see where you got your stats, i am sure they have other juicy stuff on those evil republicans. Please share the source with us, i know a good democrat wouldn't make that up!! Down with conservatives and Christians!!!
unkind words to hurt people who have done nothing to you
This is for the best.
Keep religion out of politics and keep politics out of religion. Mixing them just makes everything dirty.
Personally I feel that the churches should not be allowed to hold anything politic related, if they do then they should loose their tax exempt status.
apparently freedom of speech means nothing to you
I wish both side would leave my GOD out of it ,HE doesn't need the U.S. goverments help. Really he doesn't
If you R talin bout Jesus , then you are absolutely correct. 🙂 🙂
WARREN'S book, "The Purpose Driven Life", tells you that unless you devote every available spare minute of your waking life to worshipping God and singing his praises, you don't have any purpose in your life. This is the typical arrogant Evangelical who claims to know how everyone should live their lives! Hey, Warren, why don't you do something useful, like researching a cure for cancer, or autism?
on this note He is absolutely correct..worshipping meaqsn prasise whiich is offering up thanksgiving with your mouth; somethig that far too many of us Christians neglect.. we like our religun out in the open no matter how hypocritical we are... it si because of this that you and those like you have your skewered view of Our Lord and his living word... sorry 🙁
Romney would never attend a "Christian" event like this. He knows that he would get asked too many questions about his Mormon faith that would get him into trouble.
You know squat about the Mormon religion.
Yes. Mitt does not want to answer questions about the Mormon faith. Have to say though that I don't think politics and religion should be mixed. Bachmann, Perry and Santorum went way overboard with all the religious talk during the primary.
@ Denise ; how do you know what the pastor knows is that something Mormonic ? 🙂 🙂
When will Catholics admit there is nothing in the bibles speaking out against birth control. Nothing. Whatsoever.
Actually it does, in 2 places. I'll leave it tto you to figure out where, since you're pretending to be intelligent.
2tor great rebutal
Well, 2tor, I know at least the story of Onan, which the teavangelicals use against both birth control and ma$turbation – falsely, I might add. The reason he was punished was for not impregnating his brother's widow, which never seems to get mentioned. Those are the morals of the bible. Get your story straight.
@ Sein..whatever... How do you expect hypocrits to ever get their story straight ...not even siting what they smirkly support ?
No one should care what the apostate Warren does. This loser supports Bashar Assad for crying out loud. He started "crislam". He's got a lot of explaining to do on judgment day.
On top of that, Warren is a bald-faced liar.
Who cares what that azzhole thinks (biblegod); he's the most sadistic torturer of all time. What a sick b@stard you worship!
Oh yeah, that judgment day is doing to be a doozie!
Rick Warren lying?
Here's the simple truth. Four years ago on everu Sunday, Saddleback had to bus congregation members in from remote parking areas because the parking lots at the church were constantly overflowing with cars. Today, the parking lots are often half empty. The church doesn't have the membership or influence it once had, and Pastor Rick's importance has diminished as well. Romney isn't going to waste time coming to Orange County because Orange County (particularly South Orange County) is already a Republican stronghold. And why should Obama come to Saddleback just to have pastor Rick tell him how he should be doing his job (funny how the clerics don't want the government telling them what to do, but they have no problem telling the government what to do).
@GaryB
The part of your post about the church wanting to tell the government how to behave but not wanting the government telling the church how to behave is spot on. If government has no place in religion, the religion has no place in government. Simple as that!
Rick Warren is a loser.
Adios.
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What an insightful, thoughtful comment. Thank you for taking the time to share.
I'm pretty sure that ring around his mouth was caused by his excessive ass kissing of one Willard 'Catchers'Mitt Romney...
Hey Rick Warren! Yes, keep your God and your religion in your places of worship, as we don't need it or want it anywhere else. Count your (so-called) blessings you have that! Oh yes, with the luxury of being tax-exempt.
The government isn't attacking you or your belief, it is your belief that is attacking the government. You are attacking the public, you are indoctrinating children into the supernatural, the most deplorable action an organization can do and you and your ilk should face criminal charges for it.
Honestly, you all need to go back to where you are wanted and stay out of our lives. I for one have one life and I do not need people like you to rob me of my humanity and I'm sure I speak for many, many more, especially the people that live in fear and do not speak-out against you and your God.
Vocal, our country was founded on the biblical principles of God. Get a true education. Read George Washington's farewell address to the nation.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Washington%27s_Farewell_Address
Pay close attention to what he wrote on religion, morality, and education.
The history of George Washington was blown out of proportion and much of it is false, there is a reason our country supports separation of church and state. Try reading our consti tution about equality and what that means.
@HeavenSent
Are you alone? I think not. Satan is in the room with you.
Our country was founded in large part by people trying to escape religious persecution in Europe. So our system was set up with protection for AND FROM religion.
Roger, our country doesn't support the lies of separation and state. That isn't even mentioned in the first amendment. That was you atheists twisting and contorting Thomas Jefferson's letter supporting religious beliefs written years after the amendment was in place.
Only atheists bring this up. All Christians, when this is mentioned in court will ensure the entire first amendment be written into the case records, not just the bs of the atheists.
P.S. We already know that if you tell your lies over and over again, some of it will stick. Well, we Christians are throwing your slop right back at you!
HeavenSent – you mean this?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I think it's pretty clear. What lies are you going on about?
It's amazing you're able to speak for everyone, but it's sad you're too willfully ig norant to know he was doing just that.
@ heavensent ...Yeah Christian principles like the slaughter of roughly 10 million native americans and then cheating the rest from that point until this very day with 17 treaties that we have yet to honor. ROFL Whackjobs. What do YOU think religious freedom means anyway?
I'd bet money that HeavenSent is really June Shannon, the quadruple chinned mother of fat little "Honey Boo Boo" from Toddlers & Tiaras...
Thats the image I get everytime I read one of her posts, and I doubt i'm far from the truth.
Tom, Tom, the Other One, exactly. But you atheists got your religion put into the school systems ... by having no religion taught there. So who broke the law Tommie Tom?
Mass D, I haven't a clue how you atheists put one foot in front of the other without tripping over your big egos.
HS
You want religion put back into school? Fine....then lets do it. Just make sure that ALL faiths are represented equally. So it would be OK with you to have our children taught Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism and every other "ism" you can imagine? Hmmmm? I think that's a great idea....no better way to demonstrate just how loco they all are.
rick warren is a hate monger.
Booty, Rick's on your team.
The bigot Warren can't stand that the POTUS now supports gay marriage.
kindless, If it weren't for the truth of history, you might be able to get away with such an unrealistic and unflattering personal consideration against faith. When you insist that "It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion." Really? Name me one hospital, food kitchen, food pantry, homeless shelter, or orphanage, run by an atheist or agnostic group! How many deaths are atheistic dictators responsible for in the last two centuries, compared to the relatively few deaths "caused by religion". Not even close! History rocks!
Hey Gary!
You are so bold to make claims yet you have not cited your sources for validation. Well?
So the crusades and the inquisition killed "relatively few" in the name of your christian god, eh?
And then, as christians love to point out, islam slaughtered just as many if not more for allah.
Ah, religion, such a peaceful pastime. People don't kill "for" atheism, but religious fanatics do kill for their faith.
How about George Washington's farewell address vocal. You've obviously have never read it.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Washington%27s_Farewell_Address
Pay close attention to what he says about religion, morality, and education.
Again, the history of George Washington was blown out of proportion and much of it is false, there is a reason our country supports separation of church and state. Try reading our consti tution about equality and what that means.
Relatively few deaths caused by religion? Does the Holocaust, the Crusades, the Inquisition, "ethnic cleansing", or the current Islamic Jihad 'ring any bells' with you? More people have been killed over "religion" than almost all other reasons, combined.
God himself murdered every person on the planet except 1 family. Can any other cause top a 99+% kill rate?
God only destroys when perversion prevails. Watch out this generation. LOL.
HS: You honestly must be the most uneducated person on this planet. Your imaginary friend is not capable of destroying anything but we wouldn't expect you to comprehend much...you think Adam and Eve are real, not once considering that in order for that to be so it means that your imaginary friend agrees with incest.
Why is it so hard for the catholic (some) church to understand women would like to have a say in their body and how it functions,"NOT MANY WOMEN WANT 15-20 KIDS ANYMORE"
Do you have a say with your body and how it functions with a man? I hope so.
Kathy, the issue isn't about how many children a woman wants or doesn't want. The issue has always been that males take responsibility for their actions.
What a stupid comment. So to force a man to take responsibility for their bastard kids the women should be made to suffer?
True,unless they are one of the 3m's--Muslim,Mormon,or Mexican..................
Steve, take the wedgy out of your pants. It's the hit and run mentality of too many men in society. Don't blame me for what's happening. The posts from the pro-lifers is all negative. Go read it yourself. I didn't twist their arms to write negative junk that the woman is traumatized, why have her have a ra pist's baby, blah, blah, blah, blah. Never once thinking ... get that? Thinking that the child is innocent and has nothing to do with who impregnated the mom.
Another one,.. that speaks for others. Then explain why women out number men in the catholic church? You people are.... special.
2tor, I am not a Catholic. But, I'll answer your question, just the same. Women out number men in church attendance because they are spiritually stronger than men.
LOL Okay I call that post by HeavenSent either by a fake, or HeavenSent herself is a poe. For someone that constantly preaches biblical infallibility to make that stupid of a mistake is to much.
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. Teaching kids to be agnostic helps reinforce their understanding of the new real things they can see and learn about in life. It helps them properly separate the known from the unknown without confusing them. They just need to be taught things that are unknown, like god, and things that are made up, like all religion.
Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).
Prayer is really just a time-sucker-upper. We have only begun to scratch the surface in using the mind to its maximum, and damaging it with made-up junk that politicians and salesmen dreamed up long ago is senseless, and as history has shown, has been dangerous to society.
old mama kindless
Atheists are spiritually dead raising children to meet the same death sentence when life (can't say when their life because it is no life being spiritually dead) is over.
Christians are intellectually dead raising children to believe in an imaginary friend, wasting their lives judging others because their egos are out of control while being detrimental to our society’s growth and development.
Learn some of His wisdom.
Ecclesiastes 1:1-18
1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all [is] vanity.
3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?
4 [One] generation passeth away, and [another] generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea [is] not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
:8 All things [are] full of labour; man cannot utter [it]: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
10 Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.
12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.
13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all [things] that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.
14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all [is] vanity and vexation of spirit.
15 [That which is] crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all [they] that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Amen.
Poor HS. Believing in the fantasy of souls, life after death and watchful spirits. If being spiritually alive means flushing your brain down the toilet you present the perfect example. It must be(or should be) incredibly nerve racking being constantly under ethereal surveillance. In desperation to remain off the spooky naughty list you have utterly abandoned your humanity.
"and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. "
This part is actually wrong since we have increased our knowledge we have been able to cure many diseases and cancers that kill people, we've commercialized our food process so we can feed more people and keep it clean. I believe what that scripture is pointing out is when a Christian realizes there is no God they feel cheated because their imaginary friend is no longer there and they have to grow up.
Heaven Sent
As you sit there typing away your post, you know, you know, Satan is right in back of you. You can feel him, can't you? His fiery breath singes the collar of your blouse, you feel doom lurking, the weight on your shoulders, he's there, watching and waiting...
Atheists are morons. Proven.
Vocal, I don't have the stamp of the beast in my brain. You do.
@HeavenSent
His eyes, his eyes, you can feel them, don't look now but he's smiling at you. Satan wants you badly, can you feel him?
Steve, what is ridiculous is the belief that you were slithering slime that came out of the oceans depth, didn't get killed by the crushing waves, nor the blazing sun as you slimmed your way over the hot sands for months to slither under a shaded tree miles from any beach. All done without daddy's credit card to get a room, room service to bring in food and drink.
Talk about your fairy tales. That's a whopper. Hey, did you ever wonder why that restaurant was named that for your generation? Same with MasterCard and the likes (LOL). Conditioned, conditioned, conditioned. Oh, yes, let's not forget the Batman and Robin big bang. I wonder who lit the fuse?
My father was an atheist and you could have never known a more ethical, moral and compassionate human being. Hitler went to monastery school and wanted to become a priest. His anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. He said:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
So the Holocaust was rooted in Hitler's Christian upbringing. Need I say more?
The joy in simple contradictions :-)....for example;
(see how this works HS...we're not you...we have read the book and these contradictions are part of why we dismiss the book
Ecclesiastes 1:4... [One] generation passeth away, and [another] generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
Deuteronomy 4:40
That thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for ever.
Psalm 37:29
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Psalm 78:69
The earth which he hath established for ever.
Psalm 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
or Ecclesiastes 1:9... The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing.
Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth.
Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth.
Got to go to dinner now Tommie Tom. Have fun posting to yourself and answering yourself.
HS: Ask the nurse to double your meds please.
Hands down, Heaven Sent is as funny as any comedian out there.
wow. dinner must be fun there. does anyone know if "HeadInCement" has offspring?
TruthPrevailsNot, it is not my problem that you don't know how to read scriptures. The righteous (meaning those that love and follow Jesus), not you unrighteous atheists. The meek is the righteous, meaning to be humble. The poor in spirit means to be humble. All opposite of the big ego of the atheists. Now do you get it. None of you freaks are inheriting the earth unless you repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness, the sin no more.
Slap some sense into an atheist. I'm going out to dinner. I'm not cooking dinner. When I do, none of you are invited.
Hs: Reality seriously bothers you, doesn't it? Those are apparently the words of your imaginary friend...there is no other way to interpret them. You know why there are so many contradictions???? It's due to the book being written by so many men who never met one another over the course of 400 years or so and there is NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to show that it was DIVINELY inspired by anything other than man!!
Moby Schtick quipped: "Hands down, Heaven Sent is as funny as any comedian out there."
You mean like if Stephen King were to design a comedian into one of his stories? A woman that would be like a cross between Carrie's mama and Kathy Bates' character from Misery? (with a dash of the clown from 'It' of course) But that wouldn't quite be enough – I think he'd have to go outside his work and get a few weeks worth of sprinkles of Louise Fletcher's character from Flowers in the Attic.
HeavenSent kept entertaining with: " . . not you unrighteous atheists . ."
gosh – my brother is an atheist too. I guess we are the (cue percussionist) Unrighteous Brothers?
TruthPrevails 🙂 you posted “the joy in simple contradictions ....for example;
(see how this works HS...we're not you...we have read the book and these contradictions are part of why we dismiss the book
Ecclesiastes 1:4... [One] generation passeth away, and [another] generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
Deuteronomy 4:40
That thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for ever.
Psalm 37:29
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Psalm 78:69
The earth which he hath established for ever.
Psalm 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Answer as usual: You atheists don't know how to read the Bible or cross reference it. Read about the 3 heaven ages and 3 earth ages in ( 2nd Peter 3:6). We live in the 2nd earth age (Genesis to Revelation) after God destroyed the first age due to Lucifer getting 1/3 of the angels to rebel (Matthew 13:28) against god. Remember? When the dinosaurs roamed. They are called behemoths in the Bible (Job 40:15-19). Remember Revelation 2:9 of who is fooling whom.
or Ecclesiastes 1:9... The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing.
Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth.
Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth.
Answer: Same thing, when Jesus returns, the meek shall inherit the earth (meaning the humble, not proud with big egos) and we will be in the 3rd and final earth age.
Oh, TruthPrevailsNot, the 3rd and final earth age is eternity if you couldn't figure that out either.
TruthPrevailsNot, you are welcome, since you will never acknowledge all the biblical scholars that put His truth together or thank them.
HS: Here's the most valid hint anyone can give you: That book was written some 2000 years ago and have never been updated!!! If it can't be used to make laws, then it has no pertinence in society!! Hell does not exist...science has tried to prove it does and yet it has not been able to and until it is proven, I will live my life not believing!! You base your life off oc faith-belief without evidence, we base our lives off of the evidence...we are more likely to change our opinions, you have shut your one-celled brain down to any new evidence.
q2long –
England
Winston Churchill (Jacobson)
Jewish Mother: Jenny (Jacobson) Jerome
United States
Franklin Roosevelt (Rosenvelt)
1st traceable Jewish ancestor: Claes Martenzan van Rosenvelt
Russia
Josef Stalin, (Joseph David Djugashvili)Djugashvili means "Jewison"
Germany
Adolph Hitler (Rothschild)
Father: Alois Hiedler. Jewish Grandfather: Barron Salomon Mayer Rothschild
The New York Times of March 14, 1935, quotes the President as saying: "In the distant past my ancestors may have been Jews. All I know about the origin of the Roosevelt family is that they are apparently descended form Claes Martenszen van Roosevelt, who came from Holland."
In the 1938 "World Almanac" under the heading "Biographies of U.S. Presidents and their wives," page 237, appears: "Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the son of James Roosevelt, a direct descendant of Claes Martenzen van Rosenvelt, who arrived in New Amsterdam in 1649 and married Jannetje Samuels.
Eisenhower was also a Crypto-Jew Judaic President of the U.S.
Dwight David Jacob Eisenhower was Jewish, Born in Denison, Texas in 1890, his father was David Jacob "Eisenhower," although his mother was a Stover before marriage.
His hatred of the Germans, and his murder of over a million of them he held prisoner AFTER WW II is all that is needed to fill in the blanks.
His predecessor, Harry S. (For Solomon) Truman was also a Judaic (And Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Bush Jr.; they are all related to the Jewish power elite. And there are more....). Why do you think that you can't talk about "Jews"? And Eisenhower being Jewish also explains this (which I'm sure you History teacher in the Judaic-controlled School systems forget to mention, mine forgot to mention to me in school; if he even knows it!):