August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET
Bill Nye slams creationism
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."
"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.
Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."
"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.
Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.
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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.
For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.
During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins
"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.
"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.
Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.
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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.
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If there is no God where did matter and/or energy come from? All scientific evidence says matter and/or energy is finite. Nye creates a caricture and then attacks it. One can believe in science and in evolution and still believe in God. The word "random" does not mean no cause, it means the cause is unknown. That "unknown" cause is God.
... then where did your "god" come from then ha? right. nuff said.
Mike ... 'nuff said' ... you make it sound like you won the argument. The truth is that everyone at some point has to make a leap of faith in their beliefs. Please prove to me the origins of the universe.
I don't know how the universe originated, and neither do you. That does not mean that it "must have been god."
Really? That's where you're going with this? Just because there isn't a concrete scientific explanation for certain things doesn't mean a god has anything to do with it, it simply means that we haven't found a concrete scientific explanation for it. So many things in the past were explained as the work of a god out of pure ignorance only to later be scientifically explained by many observations, experiments etc. Don't be afraid to say "I don't know the answer to that" rather than looking like a fool and throwing "god did it" as your answer for everything.
Nye isn't saying that there is no God. He's saying that creationism isn't how the world came into being. Big difference.
Atheistic, polythestic, monotheistic, whatever. Maybe there is or maybe there is not a God. But if there is a God, Nye is saying that he/she/it did not create the world in seven days and plop Adam and Eve into the Garden of Eden.
So if there is a God, what he's saying is that it is probably not the Christian God if you are going to hold to the creationist idea. If on the other hand you want to accept that the bibke is a nice set of stories that may be ope to interpretation, then maybe the Christian God can co-exist with reality.
So if god is the unknown, and our knowledge of all things is increasing, does this mean we are slowly shrinking and killing god?
A belief in a higher power is one thing. But to believe you know the rules surrounding such a being is dellusional.
Humans, humble thyselves. You don't know anything about God, or what it wants. If you can't admit that, you've been assimilated into the cult of your own, or your community's choosing. Understand the hypocrisy of believing you know what God wants, but someone of another religion, is wrong.
"For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God." [Romans 1:20; NLT]
I have as much scientific education as him, and I think he has more faith than I do, to believe that the highly complex designs around us randomly evolved, in any time period at all. Just, his faith is politically correct.
Learn the difference between faith and science. Seriously.
1) there are perfectly good explanations how things evolved and how everything former all around you.
2) there is no proof of a Jesus and it's highly unlikely the guy ever even existed.
But, you're choosing to remain stupid. The information is right there for the taking – but – you choose to remain stupid.
Understanding how order comes from disorder does not require faith. It requires designing testable hypotheses, carrying out experiments, and observing those results to understand how the world works. Science does not work on faith. A hypothesis with no facts behind it will be laughed out of the room in science. I'd suggest researching what is known about the topic before throwing your hands in the air and saying I bet no one understands this, scientists must take this all on faith.
Better check your eduction.
Evolution is not "random". Evolution acts according to the limits and niches of the environment.
I completely agree with Uhh.. Evolution is not random. The environment selects those traits that are conducive to survival and ensures their propagation until they are possibly made obsolete by more efficient survival attributes. Through constant mutation and selection complex life forms arise.
Nor is science based on faith. The simplest way I can think of to state it is that science consists of two hypotheses: 1) the universe is ordered 2) we can understand it.
When God First completed his creation of man, we were intended to live forever. A day of creation was a day created for the perfect sinless man. Who knows how long a day was then, what the space of time lead up to the actual creation of man as we know today. It could have been millions of years ++ for todays man. E=MC^2 means that time is relative to the observer. God's time is not subject to our guidlines or understanding. "You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes." The bible is an instruction manual for your relationship with God – Godly wisdom, not earthly wisdom. We don't hear about dinasaurs or prehistoric man because we don't need it to increase our faith and relationship with God. Science is not even close to concluding that we are formed out of an ameba. There is proof that ape-like evolved. Science can never prove or disprove anything spiritual. Nothing found contradicts the bible.
More claims for which there is no evidence.
Actually, the Bible does a fine job of contradicting itself... but that is beside the point. The fact is, the Bible has been proven to be a historically-inaccurate account of "history" that is laced with fairy tales – an interesting novel but nothing credible enough to base one's life on much less push to influence society as a whole.
"Science can never prove or disprove anything spiritual. Nothing found contradicts the bible." – Actually science can prove all sorts of things, the burden of proof lies with those making the extraordinary claims, and thus far it is not looking too good for the claims made in the Bible.
A very simple exercise in logic for all of you who are so intent on the need for a "creator" to exist to satiate your wonder is: if you think there needs to be a "creator" for existence, then who created your "creator"?
Yes! Well put. There is a false division created by people who claim Bible knowledge but dont read it. To the creationists, think theory of relativity. Reread your Bible. Point of view switches during Genesis. How can you have a 24 hr say before earth existed? The Bible is the story of what is relevant from history to explain the story of the Jesus/ Yahushua's lineage and then salvation. It specifically states much is left out. And many books are referred to by people in the Bible that are lost, or just not included but available to read.
You're wrong. The bible is contradicted many times by facts, and also many times by itself.
E=MC^2 does not apply to this at all, it seems to me you are just spouting a few things you've heard in bible school and expect us to take you seriously.
Well, OldSchool pretty much said it all and said it well.
Time is very relevant....we have no need for this discussion at Bible study. Einstein said time is relevant to the observer. http://physicsandphysicists.blogspot.com/2007/03/time-is-illusion.html Yes Christians read science books. Firm in my faith, I am not afraid of any truths that are found. Certainly, our faith does not disrupt social or scientific progress. We just don't like any hypothesis imposed on us as a truth. Worst case scenario, If in the end it turns out to be completely undeniable and undisputed that we were created from a single spark or cell... God would still get the credit! Unconditional love, respect and faith in our God!
As far as what Old School calls fairy tales.. The name for that is parables. Yes, these are stories created for examples or better understanding. Your father never told you a story or gave you a good life lesson. Our point is not to argue the validity of each story in the bible, but to accept its lesson, on what to do, or what not to repeat! Science is not the same. A formula works, until it doesn't work: you must proove everything, everything must have a logic, a beginning and an end.... God is infinite and everything he created has been done, or is in the works. The missing piece that science doesn't have is the beauty of faith, and the full assurance from the Holy Spirit. Don't blame the bible on lack of scientific progress in the US. Blame the education system!
Oops accidentally posted this in the main thread...
@Francine Carranza – the problem is that the Biblical account of creation and the modernly accepted THEORY (it is not a hypothesis, it has been observed in nature – see: viruses, transitional fossils) of evolution are in direct opposition to each other. No amount of logical gymnastics, and the religious do take them to Olympic levels to try and defend the indefensible, can fully explain away all of the glaring inconsistencies in creationism. Creationism is not scientific, it begins with a conclusion and works backwards to try and plug all of the holes and construct something that has the appearance of being scientifically sound, which it is very far from. The currently accepted modern theory of evolution is a conclusion that has been arrived at via hundreds of years of investigation and experimentation, it adheres to the scientific method, and has withstood much scrutiny. To hold up these 2 opposing concepts as somehow being equal is laughable, no amount of attempting to twist accepted physics principles such as the relativity of time can change this.
You have yet to respond to the paradox that I have proposed, which is who/what created the creator that you seem so desperate to require for existence. If a creator is required for existence, then a creator must be required to create that creator, and if that is not the case then a creator becomes entirely irrelevant and unnecessary for existence. You seem to be a somewhat reasonable person, and I presume the cognitive dissonance that is required to defend what cannot be defended logically prohibits you from even contemplating such a proposition seriously.
"Worst case scenario, If in the end it turns out to be completely undeniable and undisputed that we were created from a single spark or cell... God would still get the credit! Unconditional love, respect and faith in our God!" – It is this type of glaring lack of reason that I cannot accept or even comprehend, it is indicative of an intentional delusion. Essentially what you are saying, is that even if WITHOUT ANY DOUBT your idea of creation is thoroughly dis-proven, you will STILL irrationally cling to it...
Everything in this world has a cause for its existance outside itself because we are finite beings. God is infinite, filling our universe. God does not have a begining and does not have an end. Infinite things are not created. Just as you can not define the beginning and the end of the Universe, both of these concepts are much to large to prove or disprove, unless we were bigger than the theory. God holds the key to this knowledge. This is like asking a scientist to validate what is outside the universe.
I am not desperate for a creator to define my existance – I am thankful! I don't speak from reason, I speak from Faith. God owns our spirituallity, it can not be reasoned away. The best, way for science to succeed, is to stop trying to disprove the intangible, and keep prooving hard facts, which many great ideas and advances will stem.
Nye comes out swinging at creationism casting it as unscientific. He says you cannot believe in science and creationism. He certainly has a right to say that and he has his own interpretation of the facts to support it. Note: "interpretation." ALL scientific evidence has to be interpreted. THAT is where the problem exists. Creationism and science are NOT mutually exclusive. They are different interpretations of the scientific facts. Nye has a closed system and a closed mind. You cannot be a good scientist with a mind closed to all the possibilities. His presuppositions and worldview are showing.
You cannot be a good scientist when you accept mythology as a basis of an answer.
Do you believe in Santa Claus? After all, it's written in a book too.
There are no "scientific facts" to support creationism.
You obviously have no idea how the scientific method works.
Following your logic, you must also be open to all other religions, past and present, and their respective gods.
Creationism and evolution are most assuredly not simply different interpretations of the same facts. There are no scientific facts that support the religious notion of intelligent design. Regardless of the evidence, creationism must necessarily arrive at a single conclusion: the existence of an intelligent designer. This is at best a sort of backward science that begins with a conclusion and then proceeds to try to demonstrate it. This was the essence of the creationism trial in PA several years ago which forbade the teaching of creationism in science classes.
Boisepoet–then you will have to disavow Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Mendel, Pasteur, Kelvin, Carver, Einstein, etc. The list is long.
Going by that logic, you are closed minded to the idea that tiny fairies that live in pocket dimensions are responsible for gravity.
People who choose to be simple minded should not be allowed to make laws in this country and hold the rest of us back from success and progress. Yes you have a choice to believe what you want to belive, but when you believe in something as ridiculous as creationism, you should not be able to hold others back from reality.
expand on this – how does this belief of creation hold you back? I'm sincerely curious.
God is outside of time, and one 24 hour day can be a thousand years (or more). How can ANYONE say the earth is 6000-10,000 years AND ignore the evidence of fossils, bones and remnants of minerals from millions of years ago. I think the latest figure is something like 5.4 BILLION years with another 4.0 to go.
@David it's more holding the nation back. Legislators try to bring creationism into science classes as "an alternative to evolution". And some don't even care if creationism is true or not! If you start teaching kids that 2+2 = 4 and as an alternative, 2+2 = 3, math skills in that class will severely drop.
David – by impeding our children s education it holds us all back. It's the scientific equivalent of arguing that we shouldn't teach children to read.
How are we supposed to move ahead in this ever growing and expanding world if we are stuck back in the middle ages of thinking? We are more and more competative in this highly connected world. People from all over the globe can communicate instantly, and America no longer has the advantages it used to. We need educated people to help out country and our people compete in the global market. Teaching our children outdated and irrelevant information is taking away our advantage to win and advance in this world. Religion was created to explain things we didn't understand years ago. We have advanced our knowledge, and understand things we only dreamed about. Shouldn't we be teaching our children to reach for things beyond their imaginations? Shouldn't we encourage them to expand upon knowledge of those that came before them instead of haphazardly agreeing with some book that hasn't changed in hundreds of years??
Many of our greatest and most noble thinkers were creationists. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and many others. I am personally acquainted with scientists who believe in Biblical creation. Believing in a divine creator does not mean you are closed minded. After all, creationists learn and know about evolution. It seems it's the atheists and the evolutionists who are afraid of any conflicting possibilities. The evolutionists seem to be the book burners here!
Good for you, TownC. I agree. (See my comment one minute after yours!)
It makes no difference what any single person believe about anything. Especially when those people lived long before the modern era of science and had no knowledge of the things we now know to be true about the universe.
Creationists do not truly learn about evolution. That is obvious by the enormous amout of misinformation posted in these comments. They have a false concept of evolution and know very little about how it truly works. They do not take the time to gain a deeper understanding because they are content in their falsue understanding because they can argue against that. Anyone who truly understands evolution, along with all its implications and explanations, can not possibly disagree with it unless they refuse to accept the facts.
It makes no difference what any single person believe about anything. Especially when those people lived long before the modern era of science and had no knowledge of the things we now know to be true about the universe.
Creationists do not truly learn about evolution. That is obvious by the enormous amount of misinformation posted in these comments. They have a false concept of evolution and know very little about how it truly works. They do not take the time to gain a deeper understanding because they are content in their falsue understanding because they can argue against that. Anyone who truly understands evolution, along with all its implications and explanations, can not possibly disagree with it unless they refuse to accept the facts.
The difference is that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were not cancer researchers, geneticists or cell biologists. We HAVE made progresss since the 1800's, you know. You think the equipment in hospitals today and medications and vaccines you enjoy now were available in Lincoln's time?
Actually creationists are not taught evolution. They are taught what their creationist teachers THINK is evolution. I've never once heard a creationist actually grasp the concept of evolution, for if they did they would no longer be a creationist! They all have this idea that evolution is some magical random force that turns monkeys into people, and they teach it as such.
Atheists are haters.
Atheists are realists.
Ignorance is the hate worthy root of lots of evil.
That's a hateful post. Try again.
That's a hateful post.
You got that backwards. What Atheists "hate" is you Creationists lying on every turn, and threatening the sanity of the world by indoctrinating, abusing, and brainwashing your children, and introducing weird nutball to government that in turn is a direct threat to the country, and the world.
I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion. I can't think of any atheist persecutions of christians. On the other hand, I can think of a great deal of persecution from christians. Needless to say, christians persecuted a wide variety of groups, not just atheists. They even go so far as to say that those who disagree with them, i.e., do not accept christ, will be sent to hell for eternity. Talk about hateful!
We have built our own Tower of Babel thinking that we have become too smart to need God. And now Bill Nye has chosen to take the side of attacking atheists who don't want to allow for freedom of religion. They want to destroy religion. Atheism is bad for our kids. Just look at all the mass shootings that will continue to increase.
If God fills some emotional need then, by all means, use him to fill it, but God isn't necessary for evolution to work. In fact, if God had created all life on this planet we'd be facing far more questions than the few remaining ones in the scientific theory.
And yet it's the same Bible quoting, Chick-fil-A eating, judmental Christian fundamentalists who are quick to jump to the defense of "gun rights" everytime some nutcase gets his hands on an assault rifle and mows down our children.
JRD – I'm an atheist, and I defend gun rights as well. Don't confuse the label of atheist with the label "liberal". You would be quite mistaken.
He wants to teach children that "nothing" created "something", yeah that makes a lot of sense..
so lets believe a 3,000 year old fairy tale because that makes more sense.
You're misrepresenting the theory. Evolution isn't the same thing as how life began, or even how the universe began. Evolution is how we ended up with all the different species placed all over the globe. How does creationism answer the last part? Why would all the kangaroos trek all the way to Australia without leaving pockets of them along the way? Why are old world monkeys all so different from American ones? Why did all the penguins end up below the equator when the Arctic is so much closer? Why no mammals ending up in New Zealand except for bats that could fly there? Creationism has no answers, does it?
No, he wants children taught about evolution. There is virtually no question that evolution is the right explanation for the diversity of life on this planet. You are confusing the beginning of life, the universe, or whatever with evolution. While science is working on those other questions, you are free to believe Goddidit. Your God, though, becomes a God-of-the-gaps, and as questions are answered with evidence and study your God continually shrinks.
lol, misspelled my username. Guess I'm not infallible.
TOP FIVE REASON'S WHY YOUR KIDS SHOULD BELIEVE IN CREATION:
1) Knowing that God exist instills a sense of servatude to a higher power rather than selfish personal gain.
2) It makes by far more sense then people evolving from apes based on mere accidental coincidences.
3) True creationism has full respect for the unknown; science by itself is destined to explain everything away even if it
is not bona-fide and complete (theory accepted as truth).
4) Prevents them from believing they are all that matters.
5) Prevents them from placing themselves at the same level of the ape of which is programmed to procreate unconditionally and without "intimacy." The same intimacy where male and female commit to each other absent of the excuse of uncontrolled desire for several partners based on selfish or what evolutionists consider uncontrolled desire.
Idiot open mouth...garbage spews forth.
The truth of reality is more important. We can learn to live good lives without our safety blanket of religion. Your reasons are nothing but anecdotal, feel-good statements. I cannot be content to hide from the truth in favor of feel-good sentiments. I think people can be happy and get along with one another without religious dogma telling us we have to be good.
AtheistSteve, you are probably talking about yourself.
Why don't Atheists have to come here and start trashing religion? BTW, what are you doing on CNN blogs the whole day?
Atheist = jobless, Idiot, garbage spewing creature. (this one probably created via evolution...)
1)I am atheist and believe in a higher power. That power is NATURE. Respect the planet and it will reward you in return.
2)People did not evolve from apes. Evolution states that we evolved from a common ancestor, which would be the cromagnons and neandertals.
3)True creationism breeds true ignorance, as it does not allow for true understanding and true facts.
4)Continuity of the human race and preservation of the planet matter to me most. I would die for another to live.
5)Most mammals may not share intimacy during procreation, but none are without some form of intimacy in relationships (basic anthropology). True intimacy comparisons would be between the same species, say, humans from different areas of the world.
Creationism is not fact. Creationism is an attack on facts. Creationism leads to delusion. Creationism creates lazy thinkers. Creationism builds sheep.
Does Bill Nye even have children? I'm not so sure I'll be taking advice from someone who doesn't have any.
That has to be one of the most asinine and irrelevent justifications- keep biting your nose to spite your face. Hah, and you wonder why america is having political upheaval. The village 1diots are running amok
Really Durundal? I'm also told by your agenda that I cannot have an opinion on a woman's right choose [death – abortion] because I'm not a woman. Please make up your mind on the rules of engagment.
Right, because only people with kids are good at doing that sciency stuff eh?
No, but his field of 'expertise' is in scientific research, not parenting ... he should stay within his field of 'expertise'.
lol! Amazing, isn't it?
Jesus freaker ... please answer my comments ... why can't I comment on a woman's right to choose because I'm a man, then? Where is Bill Nye's children's psychology degree?
Way to jump on a red herring. Whether Bill Nye has children has NOTHING to do with the fact that evolution is the best explanation we have for the diversity of life on Earth. It is, in fact, the only explanation supported by evidence. It is almost a given that children should be taught the known nature of reality.
You stil have not answered my questions – but tried to sidestep them. I could easily say that it should be obvious to all that the murder of unborn children is plainly wrong.
If you don't have children – and I'm starting to wonder if you do, then one should tread carefully into those areas. Psychologically, it is healthy for children to engage with fantasy ... scientifically beneficial for them. So does Bill's expertise working with kid and having them inform this.
The article is about Bill telling parents how to parent ... and again, he is not a paren nor a child expert. Stop trying to push your agenda.
"The Tree od Life" – Watch this movie – It will ALL make sense.... something for people on both sides of the fence there... very interesting movie!
I believe in creationism. Man created god.
Guncarter, try using logic in your arguments in the future please. Those are what are known as fallacious arguments because they are illogical in nature.
Reading some of the ignorant comments on here about science does make it hard to accept evolution, because so many comments here don't evidence evolution.
Evolution is more than just a historical fact, it happens now. We can measure it, we can observe it. For more complex organisms it takes a lot longer...we won't see it in primates over the 150 years or so we have been observing evolution. But we see it insects and other simpler organisms. We also can force evolution unnaturally to see it at work. We've even done it in the past as hunter gatherers. This is how we have much of the fruit and vegetables we have today, Evolution is a real and scientifically observable and testable process. Anybody who thinks otherwise is wrong.
The Earth is old...very old. The properties of radioactivity prove this without a shadow of a doubt. This is not controversial.
Also to the person who said science can't tell you what happens after you die is woefully incorrect. Science can tell us. When scientific testing is used on a dead body...it finds lifeless organic matter decomposing. This is what science tells us what happens after you die. Religions make guesses based on human invented concepts like the soul and spirits and any guess is as valid as the next guess because there is no way to prove any of those guesses. They are held up only by faith and absolutely no evidence.
" Religions make guesses based on human invented concepts" Who created the processes used to test out things in science? oh that's right humans..so that can't be wrong at all ever because humans are never wrong....Right? LOL
You are right, perhaps the scientific method is not the best way to discover how the world works, but it is the best way we have so far. However, the scientific method derives from observation. It derives from the process of induction which tries to make conclusions based on those observations. I never said it didn't make mistakes, but it marches towards revealing truths. No one has ever observed the soul or the spirit. It cannot be measured. It cannot be proven to exist at all. Also the scientific method is more than a concept, it actually describes a way of thinking. A way of trying to remove our own biases and limitations in our ability to observe the world around us. Our bias would tell us that the world no older than perhaps the oldest living human being, or perhaps some structure in which we can be sure when it was built. We cannot observe atoms directly, we cannot visually see a radioactive sample decay. But we can measure the decay process.
Your argument represents the strawman fallacy in which you try to prove me wrong in a position I did not take. And your understanding of the scientific method is lacking.
Bill Nye is a great guy. You people should lay off him, he's right. I am only a figment of your imagination.
He needs a fashion make over. Maybe then he will be believable. He's a troll looking for 15 minutes of fame again. Guess what he got it.
Christ is only imagination you say? Perhaps you need to dive a little deeper into history my friend.
Okay so he is real. Real bones buried somewhere near Jerusalem. David Koresh is real too. Also dead and buried.
Correction:" I" choose to believe that the glory we behold was created by a superior being to whom we must answer.
Congratulations, and "I" choose to look those beliefs as a dying relic of a long since developed people. A safety blanket for the intellectually lazy and the emotionally insecure.