August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET
Bill Nye slams creationism
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."
"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.
Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."
"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.
Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.
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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.
For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.
During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins
"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.
"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.
Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.
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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.
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My whole life as a Christian, I never saw a bit of proof. Ever. From anyone at anytime. It didn't matter to me because I was insane and participating in a group psychosis. Now I am free. I'm not in your nasty little cult anymore.
Sincerity is not proof that something is true.
Dying for something does not make it true.
We are not liable for what other people do if we were not involved in the first place.
Emotional feedback is not proof that something is true.
Emotions and feelings have no relation to the truth. They are caused by brain chemicals, not by anything supernatural.
The Bible is a mishmash of different fables and extreme exaggerations and outright lies.
Every so-called holy text in existence is made-up.
I could go on, but why should I bother? When you are a participant in the group psychosis, you are a prisoner of the mind.
What believer will listen to reason regarding their faith or what it's based on...when reason opposes religion?
Many believers do not like to think about other religions in a way that might show the weaknesses in their own religion.
They refuse to question the very causes of their religion. They think they already know it, yet they have never seen any proof of it themselves.
I remember what it was like and how lobotomized I felt when deep in "faith."
I can recreate my "faith" just by remembering how it felt.
I KNOW that "faith" is a mental disconnect with perception and reality and awareness.
It is a mental filter that strangles a person's ability to think realistically about almost everything.
Religion has shown time and time again that it is nothing but group-psychosis that is also a giant hoax on the victims.
Like any group-psychosis, most inside of it find companionship, comfort, and repeated reinforcement of the "tenets" and special propaganda and anything that can be used to explain any obvious hole in the shared-psychotic-belief.
Hey, when I busted out of it, I made sure I was correct in every supposition. My faith was deep, but I clawed my way out and escaped the clutches of anyone who might use my religion against me by making sure I was being reasonable about it.
Logic and common sense and science knowledge are tools for freedom from delusion. Any delusion.
Proof is impossible because there is no "God", no "Jesus", no "Holy Spirit", no supernatural anything.
There is no way I'd ever willingly pretend that a lie is true.
That's why I'm an atheist. I'm more honest than you believers.
Many of us share in the journey you made, myself included. It is impossible to convey to the faithful how debilitating and poisonous those types of beliefs are. Freed of supernatural trappings is akin to having a fog lifted from your vision. The world and everything in it is more vibrant, precious awe inspiring. Of course they have been brainwashed into believing that we have turned to the dark side when it is exactly the opposite. A pity actually.
I hope you will be notified of this posting. I realize it has been over a year. My heart goes out to you, not in pity or disdain. I would like to know why you think as you have expressed your thoughts. I say that because I do not know who has CONVINCED you that there is not GOD, Christ, or Holy Spirit/Ghost. and the everything in and about the Bible are lies. Because you do not know me and yet you are calling me a LIAR. i KNOW for a fact that beyond the shadow of a doubt that all that you say are lies is ABSOLUTE TRUTH. I am not insane, psychotic, .brain washed or confused. I have no desire to call you a liar, for just because you have not found proof, I have. Just because you will or are not willing to ACCEPT the proof I have does not mean the it is not proof. It only means that if what I say is true and what you say is true than either way, You will not get or have what the Bible says you CAN HAVE if you only believe. If there is no Heaven , then you only hope (as I see it) is to hope (I was going to say and pray, but to whom would you be praying) that there is NO HELL.
The practice of religion should be banned except between
You are only the religion of where you are born.
Just like evolution :-).
For the evolution deniers, please give a better explanation for ring species other than evolution?
It is just an adaptation of the bracelet species and is wholly a bracelet. ; )
A good example but not nearly compelling enough for those who deny. A simpler and much more obvious example of common descent is evident in body plan. Just how many creatures have a body with 4 limbs, 2 eyes, 2 ears, a nose, a mouth...etc. Even fish exhibit this. If each was a product of independent and separate creation then why are there no deviations from this common pattern?
"why are there no deviations from this common pattern?"
Because God is a believer in "if it isn't broke don't fix it"?
Because God does not have a very good imagination?
"Just how many creatures have a body with 4 limbs, 2 eyes, 2 ears, a nose, a mouth...etc."
more than that, the skeletal structure is more or less the same (number and function of bones* etc.)
* variations in length, proportion and form of the extremities of course.
Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact
that it falls in with our instinctual desires.
The only reason Christians are not still burning each other
is because the secular state stopped them.
“Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.”
Heaven sound eternally boring. Just kill me.
Actually no. An eternity of grovelling sounds pretty awful. I'm not relishing the process of dying but being dead isn't a big deal...a no-brainer in fact.
"a no-brainer in fact."
LOL nice one!
Well, if it isn't my arch nemesis...
Is there free will in heaven? Can you feel compassion for all the people suffering in hell, or would that be considered a betrayal of God? Is there any freedom in heaven, or would it be like living under a dictator?
Religion vs Science or is this Nature vs God?
I think nature is simply put "Natural"and God is "Unnatural"!
It isn’t religious vs science for me. I’m religious AND I love science.
Not intending to hurt your feelings. If faith works for someone, I appreciate that.
There are some others you son't seem to be able to look beyond faith and want to bring god into every argument.
Just a simple question – do you believe that creation should be taught as a scientific concept?
Sorry, will not be able to continue this conversation today coz I have some stuff to take care of.
"Just a simple question – do you believe that creation should be taught as a scientific concept?"
Of course not. I believe in the big bang and evolution. Since there is no scientific evidence for creationism, then this should remain in a philosophy class or out of our schools altogether.
As soon as you say "I believe", you disqualify yourself from any discussion of science.
Do you believe in science?
I think the problem is that even atheists are not able to tolerate theists. If we expect tolerance from others, we must first deliver it. While I definitely like to tease posters like PRISM, Topher and HS, justmetoo here is being very honest and clearly more rationale than people who laugh at others for their belief.
The only thing I object to is the interference of religion in my life, in politics, in schools, in science. I do not object to how others like to get through their day – if it is with the help of faith in god, so be it.
Now I have not read each and every evidence to evolution there is, but I have accepted the concept bcoz I have faith in the scientific process. And yes, you can argue that the evidence is all there for you to see. But I cannot go through it all, coz I have other things to do. Unless I am someone who knows the subject completely, I cannot claim that mine is not a belief. But then, that should also not be extrapolated to mean that sicence is a belief.
Have you considered that the reason you have not accepted GOD is because you are rejecting the concept. Science does not ask you to have faith, therefore there is no reason for you to have faith in science, and yet as you say, you ACCEPT the concept. Have you put half as much confidence in the Bible as you have in unproven science. You receive both by teachers.
The religious fear death. Thats all there is too it. Our government has long endorsed to keep control of the majority.
How 'bout that Clint Eastwood yesterday? He is something.
Not everyone can keep their cra ckers once they get into their 80s like Betty White. So sad.
I don't think his age had anything to do with it. He probably would have gave the same speech 30 years ago.
Beyond him, there really isn't many actors that could headline a GOP convention.
Maybe Swarchenegger, Charlton Heston, or Regan.
I suppose Jon Voight, Arnold, Eastwood, and I suppose George Clooney are the only big stars who love being on the right.
Gary Sinise is vocally right too.
But how may of them are socially conservative?
I agree most of his arguments until he gets to the give us your children part. "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them." That's just creepy. You should never get between a parent and their children no matter what you think of their belief system.
Would you feel the same about denying children an education in Math?
Actually letting Fundamentalist Christians deny their children a secular education is a good thing as we will always need people to fill the low level service industry jobs. You know the ones that include phrases such as "Would you like fries with that?"
How about denying a child medical help based on beliefs?
Beliefs matter, they don't just exist in a vacuum like so many people want to think.
If the parents' belief system keeps them from vaccinating their children against diseases that we are trying to eliminate or protect ourselves against we should not intervene? If parents want to teach their children to violently oppress others we should not intervene? If parents want their children to be ignorant to the point that they can't contribute to society we should not intervene? Society must have a say in how children are raised.
So the case of a Muslim father killing his daughter due to her violation of arbitrary religious tenets is something you accept?
A 'true' Christian would do the same thing. It is after all in the Bible it is one of God's instructions.
Genetics Proves Evolution: The Creationist's Galileo Moment
When chicken embryos start to develop they have teeth buds and the beginnings of multi segmented tails. As they develop their DNA tells the developing embryo to absorb them. Much like human embryo's absorb the so called embryonic gill slits. Now if you turn off the genes that control this absorption instruction you get chicken embryos that develop long multi segmented dinosaur tails and meat eating dinosaur teeth complete with the serrated inside edge. Other studies have also been successful in regressing feathers into scales.
This is not hypothesis. This is not supposition. This is not interpretation. This cold hard, hold in your hands see with your own eyes type reproducible proof. It has already been done and is doc.umented and reproducible. No DNA was ever added to the bird DNA. This was done using 100% pure chicken DNA.
These researchers have proved that bird DNA contains genes that create meat eating dinosaur characteristics. The only way this can happen is through the evolutionary process. That is meat eating dinosaurs evolved into birds.
So like when Galileo first pointed his telescope at the heavens and learned that Aristotle and thus the Church was wrong modern scientists have pointed their microscopes at developing bird embryos and learned that they are correct. Evolution is real Genesis is wrong.
Now just to make things easier for Creationists in verifying the above, yes I realize that you prefer to get your education from YouTube U. as I know reading non religious articles is such a chore for you, however, here are the names and insti.tutions that you can use as starting points for your research. You must remember now to get the best results from your Internet searches do not to include the terms 'bible, creationist, intelligent design, religion, god' in your search engine queries.
Raul Cano, professor of microbiology at California Polytechnic State University
Jack Horner, professor of palaeontology at Montana State University
Hans Larsson, a paleontologist at McGill University in Canada
Matt Harris and John Fallon, developmental biologists at the University of Wisconsin
Dewey Kramer, at Texas A&M University
I listen, I read, I do not presume that I can not learn anything here. Even with the infantile teen bullying tactics, I continue to ask, trying to ask within the "scope" of what is allowed or covered by evolution.
The problem, nothing here is new.
I have been down these roads, I refuse to become a blind disciple of evolution, a true pseudo religion.
LOVE science! Amazed by it, evolution is NOT science. I love science enough to know the difference.
Science deserves our respect.
Oh boy, your in it deep. Time to call in the deprogrammers.
Ah, it is going to (get ready for it) an 'Act of God' to get that one deprogrammed ... pun very much intended ....
Ha, two kettles that have evolved fingers, thumbs, eyes that cannot see, ears that do not hear...
Hold on, reason will come...
Burden of proof.
Believers make a claim that a god exists. All claims have a burden of proof. Until this burden of proof is satisfied, the claim is invalid.
Without proof that a god exists, any claims about that gods abilities, actions or desires are illogical and childlike.
Please provide verifiable evidence that your god (or any god) exists. Until you do that, anything you claim about your god should be ignored.
@Eric G The cult of evolution has provided a balsa crutch so that ANY real facts are explained away in pseudo religious terms.
And for the most part, the obvious is ignored.
If you ask a real question of an evolution disciple, they in most cases call you uneducated, stupid, insane, and a host of other names. JUST like the religious fanatics that doom people to hell.
Evolution is a cult.
We call you stupid and uneducated because you are incapable of asking a serious question that is with in the scope of the theory of evolution.
@633music: One topic at a time. I would be happy to discuss evolution theory with you once a believer has presented any verifiable evidence that a god exists.
Or, was that an attempt to shift the burden of proof? Shame if it was, because that would be dishonest.
"...ANY real facts are explained away in pseudo religious terms."
"Evolution is a cult"
Math is witchcraft right?
@Eric G @Huebert So, I must ask a question that fits the "scope" of what evolution covers? Wow! Childishly brilliant! Adroitly sidestep anything you cannot answer.
No offense, I blame it on your religious teachers...you are just a disciple. Keep the faith.
Eric G, I do not in anyway have to provide proof or an alternative theory in order to question one, and in the case of evolution, one that is being hailed as the true source of life.
To think that we are the highest form of life...if you do not understand it, it must not be. If men were meant to fly, they would have wings.
@ME II In a land far, far away, there lived a prince... in his kingdom nothing is impossible, dirt comes to life and dances to the music of the magical pixies of chance.
Oh, and chance has a heart, not just life, but life in abundance and wonder, how does he do it asks the girl with a brain?
@ME II If I know what to ask, you should know.
In order to question evolution you must ask a question that fits with in the scope of evolution. Other wise you might as well complain that the theory of gravity doesn't explain stock market fluctuations. Theories are only designed to explain one phenomena. The theory of evolution is only meant to explain the diversification of life. The theory was never designed to answer questions out side of that subject.
"If I know what to ask, you should know."
Excuse my slowness, but I don't understand.
@633music: "I do not in anyway have to provide proof or an alternative theory in order to question one, and in the case of evolution, one that is being hailed as the true source of life."
Are you impaired in a manner in which I am not aware? The topic of this thread was a request for you, as a believer to satisfy the inherent burden of proof in your claim that a god exists. This has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. I will ask you again to stay on topic. Your attempts to divert from this topic are dishonest.
On a side note, evolution theory makes no claim of explaination about the origin of life. That is a separate theory called abiogenesis.
@ME II Are you certain of the evolution theology?
@Eric G In a roomful of toys a child says, 'I have nothing to play with".
@@Eric Sounds like a different sect of evolution, most if not all the believers I run into use evolution as the Balsa wood crutch.
I am fascinated.
@Blessed are the Cheesemakers What does math have to do with evolution?
It is mathematically impossible for even ONE form of life to just start, much less billions.
Math is real.
Evolution is a witch doctor.
Truly easy to tell them apart.
"Are you certain of the evolution theology?"
Certain? I don't even know what "evolution theology" is.
The theory of evolution is a well substantiated scientific explanation of how life progressed once it got started. Yes, based on the available evidence, the modern evolutionary synthesis is the best explanation we have and appears accurate.
Seems that someone didn't take their meds today
Where is the mathematical proof that evolution is impossible? Show us the equation, please.
No offense, but your statement is impossible, you mentioned that you were slow in picking things up?
Yet you feel that the proponents of evolution have answers the questions of how life began?
One here just informed me that evolution does not try to cover that...new to me.
For ones faith t to be built on solid ground certain simple questions must be answered.
You're a troll. You don't actually raise objections you just shout "evolution is wrong". You never say what you think it is wrong with it, probably because you have no idea what the theory actually states, nor offer any evidence for your claim. Then when someone points this out you play the victim, and say that you are being bullied. Have a good day troll child I'm done feeding you.
@Huebert Troll or no, your statement is blatantly false, a quick look back I stated CLEARLY just a few of my questions and problems were with evolution.
Your answer? "Not my field of knowledge", "Not covered under the scope of evolution", "You must ask the right questions".
Need I go on?
The problem here with most, they have NOT looked at things with an objective eye.
Credulity at its best.
633music wrote, " I do not in anyway have to provide proof or an alternative theory in order to question one, and in the case of evolution, one that is being hailed as the true source of life."
This statement goes to show the depths of your ignorance about science. Yes science advances by questioning the current accepted theories. But – and here is where you nutters srew it up – those questions must be based in valid science. And that is something you fundiots are unable to do.
Claiming ToE is false because "goddidit" and "poof, then another miracle occurs" is not science.
Also, evolution is NOT the source of life. No matter how many times you nutters claim it is, it isn't. It, again, simply shows the depths of your ignorance.
@Primewonk Your simple childish bullying aside, you to must be from a different sect of evolution?
MOST if not all the disciples of evolution BELIEVE that it does answer those questions.
So, like other religions, this god surrogate called evolution has preachers that preach many different truths.
@Primewonk So leaving God and evolution out of it.
How did life begin? In all sincerity I await your response.
"Yet you feel that the proponents of evolution have answers the questions of how life began?"
I did not say that. I clearly stated "once it got started".
Evolution is only an explanation of the progression of life after life is present. A scientific theory does not claim to explain everything, just its subject area.
"How did life begin?"
I think the appropriate answer is, "we don't know".
@ME II Oh ok, well, I examined evolution and found that it really is not applicable to anything.
God or no, evolution is not an answer..
Now I learn from posters here, that evolution does NOT attempt to explain where life came from...
I and many others have been looking in the wrong place I guess.
@Primewonk So leaving God and evolution out of it.
How did life begin? In all sincerity I await your response.
Life is a chemical reaction. It started with simple chemical bonding.
@ME II Finally an honest answer!
@ArthurP Seems simple enough.
I think most people who follow science would agree that there is no conclusive finding yet on the origin of life from non-life, i.e. abiogenesis. There are many hypotheses that are being investigated, but currently none are definite.
Unlike the Theory of Evolution which has abundant evidence as is quite well supported.
So we were apes is what you were saying?? Because that is what Darwin taught, No I didn't think so, yes there are some of the same markers in fact many that are the same but in DNA. But so does alot of life have similar markers so we are talking about numbers. But the real bottom line is we don't have the same like a someone born out of apes so I thought that is what you were saying.
WE ARE APES
Thanks, Doc. Other Bob, you might want to do some studying of basic biology before you post again.
Yup have lets see the DNA bear this out not just what we thought and the doc vestibule thing pretty cute but as usual all smoke and mirrors.
Bob, explain DNA to us first, to prove that you actually understand what it is. I doubt that you do.
Let me ask you this DNA the building blocks that have never proven to really change all of a sudden changed and from a ape we got man. If you can explain to me how this happened then maybe we can have a meaningful conversation.
You consider a period of millions of years "all of a sudden"?
You are right, there is lots of pieces of common DNA in our genes. However, all that means is, based on the why the DNA recombination is done, some of us are more like our ape ancestors and others are more like house plants.
No, I am not saying we "were" apes. I'm saying that our classification in the tree of life says that we ARE apes. Humans are a species of ape.
>No I didn't think so,
YES that is what I said.
>yes there are some of the same markers in fact many that are the same but in DNA. But so does
>alot of life have similar markers so we are talking about numbers. But the real bottom line is we
>don't have the same like a someone born out of apes so I thought that is what you were saying.
FALSE. This is not about just raw numbers, it is about markers shared among chimps and humans that are not shared among other species. Other markers are shared among chimps/humans/gorillas that are not shared among other species. Other markers are shared among chimps/humans/gorillas/orangutans that are not shared among other species. Are you getting it yet? It is a nested hierarchy. It is a life tree of relationships. It is EXACTLY what evolution predicts. It is even falsifiable:
If we were to see identical genetic markers between old world monkeys and humans, and those same markers don't appear in chimps, we have a problem and we have to come up with an explanation. But that is not what's going on.
So no it is not about raw numbers of DNA similarities, not even close. It is about shared markers and how those markers allow us to construct and verify the tree of life and show our heredity with the other ape species (and everything else).
There may be some confusion here with the use of the term "ape". While everyday use may conjure images of gorillas, when used taxonomically it is a broad category of tailless primates, including humans, chimps, gorillas, orangutans, etc. and is more correctly termed, I think, the superfamily, Hominoidea.
p.s. Technially, I think, the Family, Hominidae, is "Great Apes" as opposed to "Lesser Apes", the gibbons.
Taxonomic classification is smoke and mirrors?
The number of genetic differences between humans and chimps is ten times smaller than that between mice and rats.
Human and chimp sequences differ by only 1.2 percent in terms of single-nucleotide changes to the genetic code.
Outlining the specific similarities and differences is not something that can be done here since there are 3 billion DNA molecules in each genome.
If you're really interested, there was an analysis published by the Chimp Sequencing and Analysis Consortium, which is comprised of no less than 67 researchers from around the world.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you are a tailless, largely hairless ape.
One of the most amazing, to me, genetic findings was about Human Chromosome 2 and how it was shown to be a fusion of two Chimpanzee, I think, chromosomes, complete with two sets of teleomeres and an extra centromere. Astounding, really.
What is also really amazing is our opposable thumb is the direct result of an error in DNA replication.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. Where did you see it?
PBS-Nova : If I remember correctly the error was found by a chap doing research in diabetes then someone else tested it by creating the same error in mice and got the beginnings of opposable thumbs in mice.
Luckily they did not use the super intelligent maze running mice.
if you all want something interesting in genetics to research check out the chromosome "delta 32" now that set i'm truly watching it's research closely. test trials have proven hopeful in humans.
An Atheist will never tell am impressionable young child that if they something wrong that they will burn in Hell for all eternity.
Yup that is correct neither will they tell them you live you die and that's all there is. They will never let them know the true joy in knowing that God is real and alive, helps and loves them unconditionally either. Or that when you die you can go to heaven. Yet also brainwashes them into not looking further than there own nose for anything other than what they see
" Or that when you die you can go to heaven."
Evidence? Let me remind you that the bible makes the claim, but it's not the evidence. Now, where is the evidence?
@wayne where is the evidence of the Higgs?? I say we spend the trillions on some projects that are a real benefit to man. Also since you dont believe what is the evidence that there is no God.? Just like science looks to disprove things, maybe we could use some of the money from Higgs to do something actually helpfull.
Do you believe in everything that can't be seen, or do you just have favorites? Most of us apply our rationality across the board. Are you just as outraged by our not teaching children witchcraft, or that astrology can help guide their lives, or that vampires aren't actually real? Most likely, you wouldn't teach children all the wonderful things that belief in the Hindu, or other gods could bring to their lives, so why is it any different for someone not to teach them about your god?
@Bob : @wayne where is the evidence of the Higgs??
There is this wonderful this on the World Wide Web called Google it is a search engine you can enter terms like 'evidence of higgs' and it will give you references to what you are looking for. You see unlike the 'science' sections of the Bible the World Wide Web is updated continually. (note the the search phrase given did not contain the words 'bible,god,religion, Christ')
People burning for a trillion years? Something these people never think of, where is it written that a spirit can feel pain?
Another, Adam was told that if he ate from the tree he would die.... Not a spiritual death, we know that because he later says, from dust you came to dust you will return.
The wages of sin are death...
Like evolutionists, the wanna be Christians have no idea what the details are of their own religions..
Like it or not, most so called Christians are truly cults.
As is the Evolution cult.
If you want evidence for the Higgs bozon I suggest you read a physics journal and not belief blog. And it is true that we have no practical application for the Higgs bozon yet, but we also didn't have a practical application for electricity when it was first discovered.
So now that i have addressed your red hearing would you like to present evidence for your god?
Maybe we could use some of the money donated to buy pastors expensive cars and suits to do something actually helpful? Or the money spent to convert Catholics into evangelicals in the third world? Or the money spent to build "creation museums" that teach children less about reality than Disney theme parks?
Why is not denying evolution a cult? When I have a headache I take an aspirin and it goes away. Am I in an "aspirin" cult because I have confidence in it? Evolution works. It has predicted new fossil finds and has contributed to the development of new medical treatments.
Denying evolution requires having to deny the fact that it works, and that the evidence supports it. If you're looking for a "cult", maybe creationism is where you should be looking?
No, an atheist would become angry and tell children they're stupid and believing in something is stupid. At least most I know are very angry and hateful when it comes to any discussion of religion.
JT is using the Demonize Your Opponent fallacy by trying to portray atheists as angry and hateful.
An atheist has never burned a woman alive because she was a witch.
@Cq I have experienced aspirin, it is a great medicine. As evolution, it is a placebo. Useless, much like those beggar's on TBN network always fleecing the flock.
Evolution fleeces the flock of all common sense.
Understanding the “evolutionary arms race” between bacteria and antibiotics allows us to develop strategies for minimizing resistance. There are other areas where evolution theory is applied in medicine. Google "Evolutionary Medicine" for a detailed list. The science works. Proven.
Wow, Bob...seriously? We spend billions (not trillions) on basic research (the Higgs boson, etc) so we can create things like MRI machines, nuclear medicine, gene therapy, nanoparticles, integrated circuits, kevlar, carbon fiber, cyberknife, and LOTS of other technologies that tie back to basic physics research, military research, astronomy, and other basic science. I think I can confidently say that, on balance, this has been overwhelmingly favorable to quality of life. If you can't see this incredibly clear connection, you're truly lost.
I forgot to ask, have you experienced antibiotics? If you have then you've probably experienced the fruits of evolutionary medicine.
Bob uses the World-Wide Web to denigrate and castigate the folks at CERN.
I wonder if he gets the delicious irony here?
As I look around of the lives that those who believe in Jesus Christ have been changed I say that it is proof. Especially when someone changes their life completely from what it was. Now most would like us to take science and confirm this well give me the trillions that are spent on science and we may be able to do this. But even so you are asking the very thing that is against us to prove that there is a God. I don't see the benefit in letting the limited prove the unlimited. Science cannot with trillions of dollars prove Higgs so with trillions of dollars they are going to prove God?? Lets see if that is sound science.
God of the gaps...in other words I don't know the answer, nor does science therefore it must be god.
You miss the point. Science makes no claim that a god exists because no verifiable evidence has ever been presented to support that hypothesis. If your evidence cannot be tested and verified, then it is not valid evidence. You are looking at a result and filling in the gaps in your knowledge with a undefined variable (your god).
The vast majority of people in prison are "believers" just like you. Their belief has not straightened their life around. Can you explain that with any evidence?
Bob, that is the typical Christian cop-out when asked for proof, so I am not surprised.
It happens all the time even on TV. Something good happens sometimes, like someone get's treated for a rare cancer and survives. So it must be god, not the doctors that saved this person. But when the person does not survive, it's just god's plan.
Sadly, it's usually the second scenario with things like cancer. I guess that means that the people who do not make it just didn't pray hard enough? These things happen regardless of faith, so believing that a 2,000 year old dead man is watching over you is a waste of time.
Bob – the problem is that you don't even understand the basics of the scientific method. Otherwise, you would have known that in science we explain things, we don't prove things. Proofs are for maths and ethanol.
So Wonk you explain things you don't know in ideas that are unsupported??? Yet we teach them as fact??? and as for prisons do you realize that most mass murders were atheists???
The Higgs Boson has nothing to do with proving the existence of God. The media are the only ones that call it the God Particle' because that was that ti.tle of the book that introduced the hypothesis to the public in general. It was ent.itled that by the publisher because he figured the original ti.tle 'The God Damned Particle' would not be acceptable to Christians.
There are millions of Americans who feel that running, becoming a vegetarian, or a Buddhist, or joining Facebook has changed their lives phenomenally as well. Most Americans would probably say that cell phones, or Apple products have had the same effect, and there are hundreds of other things that fill this purpose in other people's lives. Are all of these things "proof" of something beyond our ability to find something to augment our lives?
@cq NONE of those things have people actually given up ways of life for or turned away from doing wrong things. They have used each one to further their own pursuits.
"NONE of those things have people actually given up ways of life for or turned away from doing wrong things."
Running – changing slothful lifestyle
Vegetarianism – changing gluttonous lifestyle
Adopting Buddhism – generally a drastic change in lifestyle and a rejection of wrong things in favour of persuing enlightenment
@Eric G Nothing could be further from the truth.
God or no God, the doctrine of evolution is a joke, NOT an answer. Reason? Its mystic pseudo religious explanations of how even the most simple thing came to life.
Find a new religion, the evolution cult is a dead end.
Most vegetarians consider giving up meat a moral good, right? Some certainly have a passion for this belief, even to the point of becoming full vegans opposed to all animal exploitation. This can go so far as to assaulting people for wearing fur, burning down research facilities, and ramming whaling ships which approaches the kind of fanatic behavior we've come to expect from the worst religious zealots. I see no difference in their range of intensity and any religious one.
>As I look around of the lives that those who believe in Jesus Christ have been changed I say
>that it is proof. Especially when someone changes their life completely from what it was.
Yes you say that is proof. That is because your standard of evidence, like that of most believers, is abysmally low.
What is it about Jesus belief that might cause change? Is it the sense of support in a church or is it some genuine holy spirit? How is it possible to tell, especially when a holy spirit can't be measured or shown to exist?
There are plenty of schools of thought that cause people to change their lives. Various cults change people's lives. Scientology claims to change lives, and people do undergo change in that program. Is that proof that Scientology is true and that we have "body thetans" that influence our minds?
A placebo can treat all kinds of ailments so powerfully that all drugs are tested against placebos in double-blind studies in order to eliminate the placebo effect. Does that mean a placebo has true medicine?
The fact that something works is not proof that the claims behind it are true. The idea that people can belong to a religion and have their lives changed does not prove that the underlying claims of that religion are real. If you believe that kind of "proof", then you don't have the slightest amount of healthy skepticism in your head.
There is a vast difference in the benefits that result in believing in something like Christ, and the reality of that something actually being an active agent. Christ could just be a placebo with all of the benefit coming from the psychological effect of believing in something so strongly. Point is, you can replace that something with another god, as people have in ancient times, and get the same results. Belief in Christ, no matter how beneficial, is not proof that Christ exists.
Bob, I'll tell you what. You suggest we should spend science funding better. How about YOU spend funding of religious organizations better! Stop the political contributions. Collectively, According to Pew Research, religious advocacy groups spend at least $350 million per year to advance their public policy agendas, according to the most recent data from 2008-2009 for each group. Financial information was available from federal tax filings or annual reports for 129 of the 216 groups studied (60%), so the $350 million annual figure is probably very conservative. Stop this and you might have a case.
Stop the building of ornate, incredibly pompous mosques, cathedrals, and mega-churches whose leaders are multi-millionaire businessmen first and foremost, and THEN I'll listen to you. Organized religion is a BUSINESS.
Stop creating huge organizations of Pope's, Bishops, Cardinals, and the like. The Bible is unchanged over nearly 1,800 years, but somehow this huge structure is needed? For what?
Bob wrote, " So Wonk you explain things you don't know in ideas that are unsupported??? Yet we teach them as fact??? and as for prisons do you realize that most mass murders were atheists???"
We teach the FACTS of evolution. And we teach the THEORY of evolution, which explains those facts. It is only you ignorant fundiot nutters lack the cognitive ability to understand this.
I have no idea what you mean with the prison comment. But for what it's worth – Tim McVeigh was a fundiot nutter. There were also 19 fundiot nutters who listened to your god and flew planes into buildings 11 years ago.
@Bob: “do you realize that most mass murders were atheists???”
My goodness you’re stupid. Think about it. Until about 1800 almost everyone everywhere was a theist so almost every murder (mass and otherwise) before this time was performed by theists. Everything from the mass murder of Indians on the American continent to Mosses slaughter of the indigenous people of Palestine to the South American custom of ripping the heart out of a living person each day.
Religion, what a waste...
Look around and you will see what science has brought into our lives. Religion, in all of it's years of existence, has not given humanity one thing to improve it's condition and without math and science, we would all be living in caves.
Science brings a unity to the world that religion can only dream of. In fact, religion, as a whole, has only brought strife as each one competes to convert the others to its own interpretation. Besides, man wrote the Bible, not God. Some may believe that the Bible are the words of God, but even today, man is speaking for God and how is that any different than what people did in the past, and how is it any less important or different, as far as belief goes.
The point is that science is all around us, ingrained in every moment of our lives, repeatable and irrefutable, whereas religion is in a constant state of derision with every faction arguing amongst each other as to whom practices the truest interpretation and going nowhere with it.
Creationism is simple in that all the details are hidden behind the mysterious powers of a supreme being who is beyond our capability to understand. Evolution, on the other hand, is an attempt for us to understand, with our limited intelligence, how life came to be and where it is going. It's logical and understandable, but keep in mind that it is still a work in progress.
Besides, how can God dumb down his knowledge enough so that we could understand. As it turns out, there are as many interpretations of what is written in the Bible as there are people, which is hardly a solid foundation to base ones life on, don't you think?
Religion is fighting a loosing battle and will someday be filed in the archives of humanity as a failed attempt at understanding the world around us. I think that the real world is far more interesting and fascinating than religion could ever hope to be.
Actually religion is the basis for most civil law. What other reason would I have for not killing my neighbor or taking all his possesions. Why is it that every human being doesn't not hold to the mantra "Survival of the Fittest"? Evolution is a change in genetic traits. Moral codes are not geneticly inherent.
I agree, the fake 'christians" are an embarrassment, and what is worse they for the most part, do not care.
But the cult that is evolution is no better.
Get a new god evolutionists, evolution is false.
"What other reason would I have for not killing my neighbor or taking all his possesions."
Have you heard of social behaviour among animals? Have you ever visited a honey farm where they take you around and show you how those bees work collectively in harmony without killing each other?
Then there are other animals who engage in cooperative rearing, cooperative breeding etc. Chimpanzees are a good example of social learning. They have also been known to use tools like a stick to extract honey. You could read more about each of these terms on google.
You completely misunderstand evolution. It is not like all animals just keep fighting to survive among each other. Well, if you have ever been to a safari, do you see them fighting for food??? Survival of the fittest term arose in Darwin's time and modern biologists now do not use this term. Instead, they refer to natural selection. Natural selection is a gradual non-random process by which certain biological traits become more or less common in a population, bcoz of survival advantages. So those with these traits tend to survive better bcoz of favored reproduction.
@nmmiller: “What other reason would I have for not killing my neighbor or taking all his possesions.”
If the only reason you do not kill and rob your neighbor is because your god says he’ll punish you if you do, you are an even sorrier excuse for a human being than most theists
It's hard to believe there's anyone on earth as ignorant as Bob. How can someone remain this removed from reality? This completely unaware of scientific research? This totally bereft of any evidence of intelligent thought whatsoever?
it is a wonder. One can only hope such complete ignorance will soon be a thing of the past once the Bobs of this society die off.
Nye being a atheist, would he do any other thing?? Ever since the monkey trial evolution has been proving itself wrong. We were supposed to be decedents of apes, well dna proved that wrong. Yet the question is why is evolution taught and held up as a viable idea when it has gone through so many changes is really the question. If the Bible had been proven wrong so many times it would have been gone along time ago but not so with evolution. The idea that its a theory and therefore can keep changing as fact emerges as the only excuse that keeps this going. So its fact and taught till it isn't fact because science has proven their own theory wrong. Evolution has so many holes in it today from science that its like Swiss cheese. But scientists wont tell you the holes they will tell you its truth just like atheists. Science has helped quite a bit in our lives but it is not worth building a life on and has never disproved the Bible. So I think I will build my life and confidence on the Bible and let science keep evolving till some day it lines up with the Bible. imagine a teacher telling a kid were evolved from apes then science years later comes along and says that was wrong. But I have never heard a teacher say build your life on Christ and be wrong at the outcome or result. Atheism is a religion with the basis in science.
Denying the facts do not make them wrong!!
Atheism is not a religion...it only states a disbelief in god. It has no doctrine to go with it.
Haven't any of you creationists read a science book published since the 1930s?
Actually atheism is a religion even ruled by a judge to be so. It actually promotes this disbelief uses science as its bible and fills every other criteria as a religion does.
Haven't you?? We invested trillions of dollars in trying to finding the Higgs Boson in the belief and faith that Peter Higgs knew what he was talking about. So scientists had enough faith to invest trillions of our money to prove he may be correct. Well after all this money that could have been used to help the poor we have a definite maybe. They may have found trails and what about the millions of people that have lost their homes in this economic downturn. Atheists don't give a crap about them as long as science has its money.
I am sorry, but your claim is incorrect. Atheist organizations have received non-profit tax exempt status. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. Nothing more, nothing less.
You may disagree with scientific theory, but if the evidence is demonstrative, to do so is intellectually dishonest.
Please provide any verifiable evidence that your god exists.
Bob, it is not up to anyone to disprove what's in the Bible. It is up to someone to prove that it is true. Otherwise, we could say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real because you can't disprove it.
The null hypothesis would be the opposite: that the Bible is not the truth. And it would be up to Christians to prove that the Bible is true as the alternative hypothesis. We don't get to assume the alternative hypothesis is true up front, sorry.
If atheism is tax exempt, actively recruits people and pushes that there is no God, Holds science as their bible then it is a religion
The definittion as follows, a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. I say we confirm it and not let the atheists play that its not then say that there is separation of church and state then take evolution out of the schools and everywhere it is taught.
Bob, the difference is that Evolution is backed by scientific evidence and the Bible is not. Hence Evolution is taught in science classes, and religion is taught in history/religion classes.
Bob: We've heard the Atheism is a religion stuff before and we have heard that a judge said it. ONE JUDGE saying it does not make it so! There are Atheistic type belief systems out there but Atheism only defines a disbelief in god(s), nothing more. Religion entails following a specific set of doctrine (ie; the bible). Atheists do not have a book...they may use science but science is based on facts that can be backed with evidence. Atheists do not all believe in the same things. Most Atheists accept Evolution as fact due to the overwhelming SCIENTIFIC evidence to support it. Your only evidence for your god is the bible and that has been debunked numerous times over (no great flood happened because it is not possible; no virgin birth happened because it is not possible-even in-vitro requires invasive techniques to impregnate; no resurrection after 3 days-the brain would not survive after that long...the deceased after that period of time would be brain dead-no pun intended).
Do all Theists believe in the same thing? (Theism is defined as a belief in god/s)
Bob: Show us where and when Atheism became tax exempt!! Atheists do not have temples or churches and therefore are not tax exempt, although no religion should be tax exempt!
Pal – the supreme court declared it.
Atheism is a term created by religion to describe people who don't believe in religion. Without religion, there would be no atheists. BTW, if you don't believe in a sun god , as some have in the past, doesn't that make you an atheists from their perspective?
Atheism is a term created by religion to describe people who don't believe in religion. Without religion, there would be no atheists. BTW, if you don't believe in a sun god , as some have in the past, doesn't that make you an atheist from their perspective?
The only reason The Supreme Court made that statement is so that Atheists are on EQUAL ground. It only give Atheists the same rights, nothing more! It means that believers can't control everything!
What do you expect from a country where a pizza is legally a vegetable.
The fact is the Bible has never been proven wrong as for the resurrection science that has spent trillions of dollars trying to prove the exsistance of the Higgs and has not gotten the golden ring. So if science that cannot prove its own theories wants to prove the resurrection who would be the fool to say they can do this?? Christians are the ones who are intelligent and informed like Einstein that let his thoughts wonder and came up with things too great for humans to understand and called crazy by some circles. These are the very ones who are able to see beyond their own nose. This is easy for atheists to do,, look at their own nose and say its there its the Christians and some very gifted people who say I really can see beyond what is established and see the very basis of the universe. But those who look at their own nose want to say this is not possible. It is actually worse than in the old days that limit
>We were supposed to be decedents of apes, well dna proved that wrong.
What color is the sky in your world?
Not only are we descended from apes, we are apes. Humans are one species of ape out of many. Humans are so similar to chimps that our differences in DNA are about the same amount as the differences between the African elephant and the Indian elephant. Humans share countless identical genetic markers with chimps. NO informed person could possibly make a claim that DNA proves that humans and chimps are unrelated via heredity. DNA proves exactly what evolution predicts, not only once, but repeatedly.
Bob, the Iliad was never proven wrong. Neither was The Hobbit. The bible was never proven to be right, either. There is no evidence for any of the miraculous events in the bible - no world-wide floods, no resurrections, no ark, no empty tomb - nothing. You believe because you want to believe, or because you were trained to believe, not because you have evidence to support your faith.
There's plenty of emotional reasons to believe in a god, but not a single rational one. Your search for answers ended when you found something you liked. In the rational world, the search goes where the facts lead, whether we like the answers or not.
Wow you may want to rethink this and see the color of your sky. We do share some markers of apes but are not born of apes. All life with DNA shares some markers some more than others but apes and man don't share all the same markers as a man born of a woman. There has been no missing link found so you may want to consider this next time you post.
One thing science goes on is eyewitness accounts and I have seen these things along with many other people you being a atheist wouldn't be looking for these things and in fact looking the other way so unless you are willing to do the research I don't think you are qualified to speak about this.
"One thing science goes on is eyewitness accounts..."
One thing science does not go on is eyewitness accounts, or anecdotal evidence.
Are you saying the government should have bailed out the people who couldn't keep up with their sub-prime mortgages? Really? Have you considered just how many people are employed through research?
@Bob: “then it is a religion. The definittion as follows, a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.”
My goodness you're stupid. By your “definition” everything from baseball fans to the belief in Santa Clause to stamp collecting is a religion, including eating because I believe I will have a good lunch today
Bob “One thing science goes on is eyewitness accounts and I have seen these things along with many other people you being a atheist wouldn't be looking for these things”
Goodness you really are stupid. If you look it up you will find that the eye witness accounts for cold fusion didn’t carry much weight in the scientific community. Many people swear they have seen UFOs, bigfoot and ghosts. They don’t carry much weight in the scientific community either. Although since you seem to be so impressed with eye witnesses I suppose you believe in all of them
Sorry I didn't reply before this, bob, but I had to go to work. It appears, however, that others have responded to your foolishness for me.
You display a profound ignorance about the scientific method if you believe that eyewitness accounts are acceptable. If the event isn't replicable then the initial claim is discounted as an aberration or outright fraud. That is why articles submitted to respected scientific journals are peer-reviewed, and if they fail to pass scrutiny, they are tossed aside. Certainly there are scientific conjectures, but without proof, they remain nothing more than ideas.
I hope I explained that in a way that was correct but easy for bob to understand. Science is a fascination - not a vocation - for me.
This was too funny to not share with this original thread.
"Bill Nye is an idiot" recently wrote on the other thread of this "Your Take: 5 Reactions . . ." the following:
"It is fairly easy to prove that evolution isn’t true. When somebody is born they get half of their genetic information from their mother and half from their father. Therefore there is no new information and no evolution. When the two legs of land-dwelling creatures were in the intermediate stage between legs on the ground and the wings of birds in the air they were useless appendages that were neither legs nor wings, so the creatures had to flop around helplessly for millions of years until the wings evolved, but they would have gone extinct by survival of the fittest. Yeah, don’t use your brain just believe you came from a fish.
Sorry Bill, you’re the one that believes in fairy-tales."
This has to be another "truth be told / HeavenSent" post. I haven't seen many other posters this clueless.
Wow! Hey, man, thanks for sharing that one with us. Sometimes such blatant ignorance can be very entertaining. Sad in a way, but entertaining.
Yes his posts does not correctly follow the current theory of life and the theory of evolution.
The intent is still there, where is the evidence, using the current tree of life, in the fossile record to prove it.?
Belittling someone because they may not have the same education level as you is not cool. Wouldnt it be better to help him by explaining kindly his error.
There is wisdom in his point, the delivery needs some work.
The scary thing is that there are supposedly millions of Americans who would think this argument actually does falsify evolution. Nye is right. We seriously are in a crisis when it comes to science education.
Eric wrote, " There is wisdom in his point, the delivery needs some work."
No. There is no wisdom anywhere in his post. He, like all fundiot nutters, demonstrates his profound ignorance about science. The sad thing is that fundiot nutters, such as this poster, choose to be ignorant.
The Soviet Union was an atheist republic.
There's a sale at Penny's!
So? Did you have a point?
Nazi Germany was founded on xtian principles and Hitler was a Catholic.
America is largely xitan and unlike the former super power, we actually used nuclear weapons
Yet another hit and run.
And they put the first Man in space.
Hey wait a minute. I'm a Creationist who rejects evolution and believes in God and His Son Jesus Christ. Mr. Nye states that we need scientifically literate people who can design and build things. I have four US patents. Does that count?
I have several patents myself and I'm a devout atheist. Does that count?
Isaac Newton, perhaps the most brilliant mind ever, studied alchemy, wrote extensively on chronology, and seemingly believed Atlantis was a real place. Being smart in one particular area does not guarantee knowledge or intelligence in another. Although, some believe that mercury poisoning cause Newton to go a little batty, so at least he had an excuse.
You don't need to know the slightest thing about evolution to be a mechanical engineer or architect.
But if you are rational person of moderate intelligence, then please answer me this: why would an intelligent designer give humans and organ that has little-to-no-value, is entirely unnecessary, and occasionally and randomly kills. Is the designer sadistic or negligent?
History is full of intelligent people that believed stupid sh1t.
You wouldn't happen to have invented a "God detector"? 🙂
Why are the sewer outflows in the middle of the playground?
You should do some research. The appendix is not useless.