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August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET
Bill Nye slams creationismBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children." "Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times. Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back." "Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video. Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days. For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years. Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution. During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years. Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins "The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video. "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said. Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood. The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution. "In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video. soundoff (14,640 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 Next » |
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We have the responsibility to believe what is true. We know that the author of Genisis was not a scientist. He was interested in the deeper question of not "what" but "who" humanity is. The fundamentalists are not correct in insisting on a 6000 year old planet. Both scientists like Nye and fundamentalists argue about an incorrect interpretation of the Bible. But whether the earth is 10 billion years old, or ten days, the important question remains: who is mankind and what is his place in the universe. I would like for science to answer something significant: how did dumb nature, left to itls own devices and mechanisms, ever produce a species (us) who asks "what is the meaning of life", "what does it mean to be human", or (as Christianity demands) "why should I practice RADICAL love and not be satisfied with the garden variety?" If nature is not dumb, then Mind must be present in some form. Only pure Mind, Pure Consiousness, have witnessed the beginning of the first particle.
@Catholic Engineer
Nature is neither smart nor dumb, anthropomorphizing it won't solidify any point you're trying to make. Why did humans evolve to ask the question "why". It starts with pretty much the fact that humans evolved big brains as a survival technique, as a consequence of having such big brains, we've evolved the understanding of abstract concepts like time, space, love, etc..... Why is simply the next step and won't really get an answer because even if you answer the technical or physical of "why" we're here, there's still other factors that are impossible because the "why" is different for everyone.
Catholic engineer is on the right track. Mose could no more comprehend the creation of something from nothing than you can define GOD. That is the reason the word "Earth" is in the narrative. Moses did know that the subject was referring to the creation of heaven and earth, but how to describe the process was beyond his or his audiences comprehension. That is why as time and life "evolved" more descriptive scientific discernment was given by GOD to mankind. The world is not suffering from the lack of truth, but the lack of a willingness to accept comprehensive truth vs. contemporary and ignordant {that which IGNORES} belief.
@y2kpastor
Blind assertions don't equal to you being right. If you want to posit the existence of god and actions attributed to it, then you need to actually provide evidence.
“how did dumb nature, left to itls own devices and mechanisms, ever produce a species (us) who asks "what is the meaning of life"”
YES!! That’s exactly what the theory of evolution is all about, how natural selection could produce different species. If you’re really interested in the answer you owe it to yourself to take a serious look at it
So...out of 13,770 comments and counting...I think we can conclude a couple of things:
1) NOBODY knows where the matter of the universe "came from". We don't know what existed before the Big Bang. We don't know if the universe is "inside" something bigger or not.
2) NOBODY can correctly say that God unequivocally does not exist. There is really no experimental proof for or against the existence of one or more deities.
3) ALL remaining observed facts and evidence heavily indicates that the universe, earth, and humans have evolved in line with modern scientific understanding, including the theory of evolution. The accu’mulated scientific evidence absolutely dwarfs any actual evidence supporting any of the major religious texts.
4) There are MANY religions, and they have many contradictions. NO one religion can legitimately claim it's the "truest" religion because they all lack the same experimental and observational proof of validity.
With those four things in mind, I conclude that the rational choice is to live a godless life. Even if we DID decide to believe, there is no way one can be certain which religion is "correct" above all others. This strikes me as a fool's errand to even attempt. So...live a godless life and observe the golden rule. How simple, satisfying, and clear-minded is that?
Actually all of the matter in the universe came form the purely energetic event that was the big bang. Remember E=MC2. If you take out the C2, which is just a coefficient describing the levels of energy, you are left with E=M, energy equals matter. That is where all of the matter came from.
I like it. Live by the Golden Rule. What a wonderful way to live! What a beautiful world we'd have if *everyone* lived their lives that way. Too bad so darned many human beings can't see that.
To sway people to live godless has been what evil people/beings have been pushing since the dawn of time. It is better to believe and be good to others. There is much mind you gain from prayer. There is a release of stress and pain when you pray. How can you ask someone to live godless then when they die and stand before god ask him to believe in them. Who would welcome you into their home if you didn't acknowledge they exist? You are a silly man reaching for something that isn't there. Feel free to live that way but don't poison the rest of the world with your theory...
NOBODY you say, then you have not read all "out of 13,770 comments" I would think that at least one (1) of might comments would have offered some food for thought.
Huebert, You simply didn't disprove my original statement. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and energy, in all of its forms, has mass. You just spun us around in a circle and we are right back where we started.
Levi, please show me a couple good examples of people committing evil solely because they are godless. I mean, really define the cause-effect relationship. Don't go throw Stalin or some other stupid garbage out there, because Stalin didn't harm others to further Atheism...he did it to further his own power. Really show me that someone committed evil out of their atheistic beliefs. Also, the same benefits you attribute to prayer can be obtained through simple meditation, without all the associated fear, self-righteousness, and moral contradictions of belief. Nice try.
Y2Kpastor, you're welcome to point out factually where I am incorrect, but you cannot suppose I am incorrect. Please try again.
@EX
A caveat, within the universe matter or energy cannot be created or destroyed. But the big bang is the explosion, well event, that created the universe. You cannot apply any of the laws of this universe to any moment before the big bang.
Huebert,
Why can't I? What evidence do you have that the laws of physics did not apply prior to the big bang?
Im not an expert and I'm not a scientist but I just want say that if nothing existed before the Big Bang then what "banged"? If something happened then there had to be something there in order for it to be an event. If something was there to make the bang happen, who created that "something"? One of the basic things I learned in elementary school is that an object in motion stays in motion...". But what put the universe in motion? Science tells you that something can't just put itself in motion. To say that the universe just put itself into motion, that something happened without the prior existence of matter, is a contradiction to basic scientific principles. There has to be a higher intelligence that put it into motion. When you are a child you have to put your faith in your parents because they are (should be) more intelligent, have your best interests at heart, and love you. I don't ave all of the answers and that is ok because my father in heaven is more intelligent, has my best interests at heart and loves me. Therefore I put my trust in Him. That is not being uneducated that is faith. Without faith you have no hope in eternal bliss. By the way eternal doesn't sound boring to me. To say that bliss is boring is another contradiction.
@Proud Christian Mom,
no one is suggesting that you should not believe God made the big bang happen. The big bang theory was first proposed by Georges Lemaître – a Roman Catholic priest.
How long ago do you think the big bang happened?
I'd suggest putting away your pride, "proud mom". Much of your post actually is a common argument from ignorance, and fails for that and other reasons to make any case for a creator, let alone a Christian one. Nothing to be proud of there, and in fact I think you should be ashamed if you are passing your ignorance on to your kids instead of letting them learn modern science. You are handicapping your children for their lives in the modern world.
Questions about the existence of any god or creator aside, the claims made specifically about the Christian god are so far fetched and self-contradictory that they alone prove that Christian god does not exist.
Shame on you.
I'm always saddened when people who choose to be ignorant about science come onto science threads and demonstrate that ignorance.
If you had a High School class in physics you would know why everything you posted is wrong.
The Big Bang was neither big, nor a bang. There was no explosion. There was an expansion. And why the hell do you fundiots keep blathering about everything coming from nothing? Time did not begin until the expansion started. So there is no way to say what happened before time started. It's like asking what's North of North?
By the way, if you claim that event needs a cause, you don't understand quantum mechanics very well.
Original post would be funny if it wasn't so ignorant.
@PCmom: here is a brain teaser for you.
can god create a wall he can't jump over? if so then he isn't all powerful
i forgot the rest of them, lol. that's old age for yah.
@Proud Christian Mom
Even if you could prove that "There has to be a higher intelligence that put it into motion." this still leaves you with no basis whatsoever to claim "my father in heaven, has my best interests at heart and loves me."
In fact the real physical evidence (earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, drought, tornadoes, tsunamis, malaria, gangrene, Small Pox, Syph.ilis, Gono.rrhea, Polio, cancer, birth defects, Alzheimer's, schizophrenia,..) contradicts that claim.
Yet another hit and run.
One more 'preacher' who is not interested in learning a more accurate interpretation of science than the one she heard either from the pulpit or read in her 'teaching creation science' home schooling kit for her kids.
Proud Christian Mom
You said "Science tells you that something can't just put itself in motion. To say that the universe just put itself into motion, that something happened without the prior existence of matter, is a contradiction to basic scientific principles. There has to be a higher intelligence that put it into motion."
Incorrect. Take as an example the radioactive decay of atoms. This eventually happens, with no external force or intelligence, to an atom of all elements above lead in the periodic table. Care to argue this?
A common misconception is that nothing existed before the big bang. It's not that nothing existed it's that we have no idea nor can we ever have any idea what existed "before" the big bang. I put before in quotes because time in our universe started with the big bang so talking about a "before" is rather confusing.
Perhaps we just do not seek "eternal bliss" nor do we fear eternal torture
But the same argument applies to God. You know..."who created God?"
Yeah, yeah...I know. People will say "God is eternal" God has always been". Well, the same exact 'argument' can be make for non-God things preceding what we know.
@Proud Christian Mom You have just entered the evolution cult zone, nothing you say will matter.
Note, the cult has many different sects, much like the "god stores" many call houses of worship.
If you ask a valid question, it will no doubt fall out of the "scope" covered by evolution.
I did learn something here today, evolution is not the source of life...not sure all the believers follow that belief, but some here do.
They act as if they were there when say, blue whales began, but cannot answer a single question about what, why, or how they came to be. Not what evolution says, "get and education".
Also, they use infantile name calling and bullying, much like their church counterparts...
Don't believe, you are stupid, going to hell...
Evolution is a pseudo religious, god surrogate, rife with its own crusaders...
@Sue You are misinformed.
... in the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Many races believe that it was created by some sort of god, though the Jatravartid people of Viltvodle Six firmly believe that the entire Universe was, in fact, sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure. The Jatravartids, who live in perpetual fear of the time they call ‘The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief’, are small, blue creatures with more than fifty arms each, who are therefore unique in being the only race in history to have invented the aerosol deodorant before the wheel. However, the Great Green Arkleseizure theory was not widely accepted outside Viltvodle Six.
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For those of you interested in keeping creationism out of public schools, please check out the National Center for Science Education. Support them if you can – they are doing good stuff.
http://ncse.com/
Hear! Hear!
In the Dreamtime all earth lay sleeping. Nothing moved. Nothing grew. One day the Rainbow Serpent awoke from her slumber and came out from under the ground.
She travelled far and wide and eventually grew tired and curled up and slept. She left marks of her sleeping body and her winding tracks. Then she returned to the place where she had first appeared, and called to the frogs, “Come out!”
The frogs came out slow because their bellies were heavy with water, which they had stored in their sleep. The Rainbow serpent tickled their stomachs and when the frogs laughed, water ran all over the earth to fill the tracks of the Rainbow serpents’ wanderings. This is how lakes and rivers were formed.
With water, grass and trees sprang up. Also all animals awoke and followed the rainbow serpent across the land. They were happy on earth and each lived and gathered food with his own tribe. Some animals live in rocks, others on the plains and others in trees and in the air.
The Rainbow Serpent made laws that they all were to obey, but some became quarrelsome and made trouble. The Rainbow Serpent said,” Those who keep my laws will be rewarded; I shall give them human form. Those who break my laws will be punished and turned to stone, never to walk the earth again.
The lawbreakers became stone and turned to mountains and hills, but those who kept the laws were turned into human form. The Rainbow Serpent gave each of them their own totem of the animal, bird or reptile from whence they came. The tribes knew themselves by their totems. Kangaroo, emu, carpet snake, and many, many more. So no one would starve, the Rainbow Serpent ruled that no man should eat of his totem, but only of other totems. This way there was food for everyone.
The tribes lived together on the land given to them by the Rainbow Serpent or Mother of Life and knew the land would always be theirs, and no one should ever take it from them.
From: http://www.expedition360.com/australia_lessons_literacy/2001/09/dreamtime_stories_the_rainbow.html
Until they learned how much money they could make selling the land off for strip malls and gated communities.
Then the rainbow serpent god got replaced by the Armani Suit god who shipped all jobs overseas and soiled the land with plastics and toxic chemicals in order to give more tax breaks to the wealthy ones who stole the land and sold it off in the first place.
For a great collection of Native American creation myths including lots of 'earth mother' myths look here:
http://www.crystalinks.com/creationativeam.html
Humans are naturally egotistic and self-centered. So it is no wonder that the first, preliminary explanations that we would use to explain the universe and our place in it would be centered around us and our lives. As we have progressed we have figured out with each major discovery that humans and our place in the universe isn't special or significant, and not centered around us.
We used to describe events that we couldn't understand as having a super natural cause. But with the advent of science we have been able to describe these events more accurately with natural explanations. Science is always removing the supernatural causes and replacing them with natural ones. Not once has religion come along after science and explained it more accurately than science has. Super natural explanations are never more accurate than natural ones.
It's so great to see religions such as Christianity being called out for the superstitious nonsense that they are. Well done, Bill Nye.
I hope the tide is turning away from Christianity. The signs are hopeful and it is so good to see nonbelievers speaking out in such numbers at last.
I really would be interested in hearing your reasons for hoping "the tide is turning away from Christianity. Sincerely.
And I think you are being dishonest by claiming that you don't know them, at least for the most common ones. Disengage.
Sue
I hate to break the news to you but you do not make the laws. You have the illusion that somehow godless men have made the laws in the country but they were made by God fearing men. This just relates to the petty little laws of the States.
The laws that govern our existence were put in place by God or for the non believer an unknown power or cause yet to be determined.
Pride comes before the fall which got us in this mess to begin with.
The Christian church would rather a mother and child die than let the mother get chemo therapy to save her life because the child will not survive the treatment thus making it abortion.
It was in the news recently you must have heard about it.
arthurP
That is not any church policy that I know of. There are tens of thousands of priests running around and their may a strange one here and there that does not make it policy
@fred:
And then lets not forget the Republican party who's just reproved fundamentalist policy actually says the same thing.
Carlin said it best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo
For you I am Praying !!!
You pray for us, and we'll think for you. As long as we get to make the laws, that is.
lol. amen, Sue. I can watch Carlin over and over. Lewis Black has some great bits on biblical interpretation.
GOD created the heavens and the earth in the span of Eternity {0000000000} not Time {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10; or 4004 B.C} If Bill Nye or any other Evolutionist and/or including Ken Ham "Answers in Genesis" want to debate with me I am at your service..
Elucidate on the biblical explanation of how diseases propagate and why it differs from modern medical knowledge.
AiG? LOL Oh that place is always good for a good laugh.
Sure, I'll be happy to debate with you. You made two assertions: 1) that god exists, and 2) that the universe has existed eternally. Either one or both of those things might be true, but you provided nothing to substantiate either of your assertions. Until you do, I'm going to have to assume that these assertions are just your opinion.
If they are just opinions, then why are you framing them as though they are the truth?
Why do whales have internal leg bones?
Explain fossils to us.
Why do mammal embryos have gills?
Why is the retina of all vertebrates arranged backwards?
>EnjaySea
Sure, I'll be happy to debate with you. You made two assertions: 1) that god exists, and 2) that the universe has existed eternally. Either one or both of those things might be true, but you provided nothing to substantiate either of your assertions. Until you do, I'm going to have to assume that these assertions are just your opinion.
If they are just opinions, then why are you framing them as though they are the truth?<
Let;s start wiith your last statement first. "If they are just opinions, then why are you framing them as though they are the truth?"
The Theory of Evolution in the same context is "only opinion". I am presenting my comments as truth because they are true.
I assert that 1. GOD does exist. The problem with your contention is that you talk of "god" proving that you do not know or are even aware of the existence of GOD. GOD is not the human concept as mankind envisions. GOD is beyond the physical, material, carnate, biological, temporal, (you get the dictionary, thesaurus, encyclopedia, etc and choose a word). GOD is not the image of any artist conception or Scientist perception. and that is why because you fail to describe GOD you deny the existence of GOD. Scientist (only because we have accepted their scholastics) have shown us their concepts of molecules, atoms and microbes, but can you really describe light, darkness, or even air. They all exist. why not GOD?
While the world is spending trillions of dollars (enmass) to discover life and extra-terrestria phenomenon, why not (without spending a dime) bow down and pray to GOD: "When you seek me with all your heart, you will find me".
2. I assert that "that the universe has existed eternally" To be certain I never said the universe has existed eternally. Think about it if the universe existed eternally it would not have had to be created. (that is your line). I said that GOD created the universe (and everything else) WITHIN THE SPAN of eternity .... providing the reason for the earth to be or have "billions of years.or existence. as both creation and the theory of evolution supports. It is the interpretation of man's account that states that or gives the impression of less than a million years of history. Not mine, not the Bible and not GOD. Even you yourself stated "Either one or both of those things might be true" Since you are the first to enter this debate, that is why you have not been aware of my evidence. I assure you I can balance my truth with more scientific evidence than you can with all of your theories.
Elucidate on the biblical explanation of how diseases propagate and why it differs from modern medical knowledge. Get on it.
LOL @y2kpastor!
Why are you laughing out loud?
The pastor wrote, " The Theory of Evolution in the same context is "only opinion"."
This, of course, is pure unadulterated bullshit. And it shows the profound depths of your ignorance.
How would you feel if someone said that about the THEORY of evolution?
Why do birds contain dinosaur DNA?
Says who? can you prove that is true. We could say that Pterodactyls are both bird and dinosaur.
Perhaps when the pastor finishes answering Sue's question, he can explain to us how the earth had land based vegetation before there was a sun to supply photons to drive photosynthesis, and heat to raise the surface temperature above the -250 degrees farenheit it would have been.
No problem at all. Ge:1:11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Ge:1:12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
If you read the footnotes of C.I. Schoefield, he said the light that GOD created on the FIRST DAY was the Sun of course only diffused. We know that as you are implying the Sun was created on the fourth day. Moses was narrating and relating to What was done, not how it was done or what scientific processes occurred. Just recently the news announce that the ROVER discovered "pockets" or water or wetlands on the planet Mars always believed to be a dry arid and barren planet. How would you say it got there. Your doubts and lack of knowledge does not hamper deny or impede that ability of GOD to perform everything the Bible declares. John:21:25: And there are also many other things which Jesus (GOD) did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Why are there no bunny rabbit fossils mixed in with the dinosaur fossils?
Where are the Unicorns, Leviathans, saber tooth tigers? Do you think that English was spoken in the beginning?
@y2kpastor: darkness, the absence of light, air the combination of 20% oxygen atoms 79% nitrogen atoms and 1% various other gases like argon etc etc etc.
science deals in the real world, evolution explains how humans came to be.......which truthfully i believe humans to be more special from evolution than from "wam bam thank you mam" magic.
human evolution means that out of all the things that could have gone wrong, the different possibilities that could have snuffed out our spark from early on, we survived.
our ancestors survived ice ages, natural disasters, other predators like bears and wolves, just the fact that we have an imagination due to higher brain function is something to marvel at...........attributing everything to a "creator" just cheapens the accomplishments our species has made to become the top of the food chain, dispite our innate weaknesses as opposed to most other animals.
CREATION was a ONE TIME EVENT. accomplished in dimensional stages. Evolution is an ON GOING phenomenon, and yet how do you explain that all that was CREATED continues as it was originally established and in all of the billions of years you speak of nothing has "EVOLVED"? Ge:1:20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.Ge:1:21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Ge:1:22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Ge:1:24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature AFTER HIS (THEIR) KIND, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth AFTER HIS KIND: and it was so.
Ge:1:25: And God made the beast of the earth AFTER (THEIR) KIND, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creeps (ants to amoeba) upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Show me evidence from any of your bibliography where a fish turned into a bird, or a gorilla into any thing but a MONKEY.
God makes more sense in creation than evolution does. Check out our video response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRiwOd6vnBE
Of course magic is easier to wrap your head around. Unfortunately for you there's no evidence of the magic man.
I truly do not believe that you can wrap your head around magic either, but then you did not say that you could, you said it would be easier. That only means that believing in creation may be hard or is difficult, but not impossible.
This is a much better video by far, and more truthful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo
@Real Truth Matters
Did I really hear him admit that "In the larger spiritual realm we have no clue"?
Facts to much for CNN to allow my response to be posted here?
No, just your ignorance of CNN's automatic naughty word filters. Someone might be nice enough to post the list for you.
No pablo, you used naughty words or word fragments.
Like t-it or c-um or sp-ic.
Or, if you know how, just use those nasty words, like tit or cum or spic.
Or you can come to the dark side.
CNN's puny WordPress filter holds no sway over us. We can say whatever we fucking want.
To Primewonk
Have you noticed that the only people smart enough to have figured out how to evade the nasty-word filter are all atheists?
Athy, thanks for pointing it out. You'd think the morons would figure it out after a while, wouldn't you?
Evidence on this blog proves they have difficulty figuring out that water is wet.
We made this video as a response to Bill Nye's claims:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRiwOd6vnBE
This video is much more funny and more accurate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo
"Everything has its limit – iron ore cannot be educated into gold." Mark Twain
I'm pretty sure he was talking about Chad...
lol I love Mark Twain.
What Huebert said.
More than 24 hours and counting since Chad uttered this lie:
"Well, for one thing, every cosmologist will tell you that the origin of our universe was a supernatural event."
Stephen Hawking won't tell you the origin of our universe was a supernatural event. Any bets on whether or not Chad will man-up and admit his lie?
I guess you could argue, that since there was no universe immediately before the big bang, that the initialization of the big bang itself was a "non-natural" event, since there was no "nature" yet? But using the word supernatural is a stretch indeed, since we tend to reserve that language for the actiions of deities.
Since there is no evidence of a deity, it's logically unsupportable to credit the big bang to one of these mythical creatures.
All we know so far is that it happened. Speculating on how it happened is pointless.
As to the existence of GOD; GOD is the foundation to/of all that IS. That is why God told Moses.Ex:3:14: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:{note the capitalization. GOD has existed FOREVER; wrap your heads around that. If you were there then GOD would have said I AM. If you ask GOD now, GOD will say I AM. if you can speak to GOD a million years from this day, GOD will say I AM.} and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. GOD is not a physical, material, or manifestation. GOD is the ORIGINATOR of all that you can imagine. I learned that in my youth. I actually asked the question many of you are not willing to face. How far can I go back to the point where GOD did not exist. the answer is YOU CAN NOT. That is what makes it easy for me to comprehend life, and all that pertains to it. I do not have to search for the beginning, Life for me began in 1937. The Sun was shining in the sky. At night the lit up the sky during its cycles. The stars were shining when the clouds were not present. every morning birds were chirping and life was going on just as it had been before I lay down in my bed the night before and went to sleep. I believe it was GOD that woke me up, because for all I knew of what was happening during the hours between falling asleep an awakening, I could have been dead.
"Well, for one thing, every cosmologist will tell you that the origin of our universe was a supernatural event."
Well, for one thing, every climatologist will tell you that the origin of global warming was not a man made event.
Well, for one thing, every cosmotologist will tell you that the origin of perming solution is a super unnatural event.
Well, for one thing, every economist will tell you that the origin of our national debt was a super natural breasts event.
Well, for one thing, every proctologist will tell you that the origin of Chad's insanity was a super lubricated event.
Wow, I just re-read my post, and I must make a correction. It's certainly not pointless to speculate on how/why the universe was created. Speculation is great fun!
But it is pointless, and sometimes dangerous, to make up an answer out of thin air, with no evidence to back it up, then insist that your answer is correct. And then proceed to burn people at the stake if they don't agree with you.
Enjay...Correct. Speculation, research and science lead to answers. Evidence is the key. So far, we have no evidence for a supernatural being. Some will disagree with me, yet feelings and personal emotions are not evidence.
Genesis : What really happened.
One day God and the Mrs. were, well you know, and being a good husband he was being very attentive to her desires shall we say. Anyway the upshot of it was that towards the end of their dalliance there was a very BIG BANG!!! . The remnants of which can still be detected today. We call it Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. And then nine months after that the Universe was born. And like all children it started to grow, a process which can be still seen today with the expanding Universe.
See science supports this. This is how it really happened. Anyone who does not believe this will be condemned to Hell to listen to Pat Boon records for eternity.
LOL...gotta love them Big Bangs.
Will that be on a "Day Like Today"? while we pass the time away, writing love letters in the sand?
You do not even believe that yourself. Why do you think we should find it humorous?.
The law of gravity is just a mathematical equation that describes nature. Gravity is part of the natural world – it is a force of attraction between material objects. How can this force exist causally prior to the creation of all matter at t=0? It cannot. Self-creation is a self-refuting contradiction. For a thing to create itself, it would have to exist before it existed.
Maybe that passes for intelligent thought in the world of atheistic speculations, but not in the world of experimental science, which provides strong evidence for a Creation out of nothing, and a Design plan for the universe. . John Lennox
awesome stuff
Their is no evidence for a creation out of nothing, unless you want to call the big bang nothing, and their is absolutely no evidence for a design plan.
AMEN!!!!...As for me and my children.....WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD CREATOR OF THE EARTH AND UNIVERSE!
Wow, it takes a certain level of uneducation to fall for that creation junk.
" it is a force of attraction between material objects"
Nope.
Matter affects space-time itself. The presence of matter causes space to warp and that is what makes other matter fall toward it. Einstein proved this in his theory of general relativity. Matter does not pull on other matter like a magnet in the way you suggest.
FYI: always good to get all the info.. nothing worse than someone that has only a portion..
Gravitation, or gravity, is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract each other with a force proportional to their masses. Gravitation is most familiar as the agent that gives weight to objects with mass and causes them to fall to the ground when dropped. Gravitation causes dispersed matter to coalesce, and coalesced matter to remain intact, thus accounting for the existence of the Earth, the Sun, and most of the macroscopic objects in the universe.
Gravitation is responsible for keeping the Earth and the other planets in their orbits around the Sun; for keeping the Moon in its orbit around the Earth; for the formation of tides; for natural convection, by which fluid flow occurs under the influence of a density gradient and gravity; for heating the interiors of forming stars and planets to very high temperatures; and for various other phenomena observed on Earth.
Gravitation is one of the four fundamental interactions of nature, along with electromagnetism, and the nuclear strong force and weak force. Modern physics describes gravitation using the general theory of relativity by Einstein, in which it is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime governing the motion of inertial objects. The simpler Newton's law of universal gravitation provides an accurate approximation for most physical situations.
And evolution theory also describes nature, much much much better than any creation story.
Wait Chad, your copy-and-paste just confirmed what AtheistSteve was saying. Which point are you arguing?
@Chad,
"Gravity is part of the natural world – it is a force of attraction between material objects. How can this force exist causally prior to the creation of all matter at t=0?"
If gravity is a force independent of matter, then why would the creation of all matter at t=0 have any impact on the existence of gravity.
Additionally, why do you think all matter, I'm assuming energy too, was created at t=0?
"Self-creation is a self-refuting contradiction. For a thing to create itself, it would have to exist before it existed."
Aren't you assuming a linear causality? Why would that be the case prior to t=0, or independent of t altogether?
So God created gravity...therefore don't eat bacon? Makes sense
/sarcasm
I had all the info that was required. Newton's Law is an approximation...an equation to describe it. Einstein figured it out. Gravity is a consequence of matter affecting the curvature of spacetime. Matter makes a dent in spacetime and causes stuff to fall in. No matter...no gravity... and no need for a force to exist before matter.
There used to be a saying "nature abhors a vacuum". Of course that was before we knew that the default condition of most of the universe is exactly that.
Well it seems now that space abhors matter. Because if enough of it is gathered in one place space itself is unable to hold onto it.
@me2: gravity is the only force with no negitive; gravity is either 0% which is space and even then there is still gravity no such thing as absolute zero with gravity and 100% which is a blackhole. everything inbetween is effected by and effects other matter due to gravity's effect.
being only a postive force in the five forces of the universe it uniquely would qualify as one of the forces that exsisted prior to the big bang.
explaination: the singularity was a larger version of a star, interior and exterior forces equal, thus the singularity was stable. however something off set that balance between the forces of gravity pushing in and the explosive forces of the internal forces pushing outward, it could have been just the smallest event to set in motion the events leading to a catastropic expansion of what we now call the universe.
no outside force was needed for the creation of the universe the same as no outside force is needed in a super-nova, it just happens.
@Chad,
you know full well that gravity is a myth – the earth sucks.
If John Lennox is going down the right path with this statement, then his god is also self-refuting. So, we're still back at square one.
@Chad,
Q. Does science claim to know how gravity 'works' the religion claims to know 'everything'. (God did it.)
You know it doesn't. Other than emprical observation of the 'weak forces' from very large amounts of matter we don't really understand it at all.
Weak gravitational forces, strong nuclear forces, black holes, dark matter, String/M theory, Higgs-Bosons, all very fascinating stuff. You know as well as I do there is no 'definitive' model ... yet.
Trying to link gravity and divinity as a discussion framework? You're just being silly and you know it!
Ooops – the first statement should be:
Q. Does science claim to know how gravity 'works' the way religion claims to know 'everything'? (God did it.)
EMMA:
Good for you the world needs more janitors.
I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV
Science knows what gravity does.
Science is currently unsure of what gravity is.
@ArthurP
Science knows what gravity does.
Science is currently unsure of what gravity is.
Yep ... well said.
throughout time GOD has been the place holder until science can explain. I'm sure ancient people would think we are GODs for being able to fly a plane. It took trial and error and some brave people to risk their lives to know what works. Not blind faith in GOD. It doesn't matter if the mechanic believes in GOD or not. Science is the only thing that is necessary.
ancient people didn't fully understand weather but we no longer pray to the GOD of wind or fire. We know that GOD is not waiting for a offering to provide us light!
Gravity, as we understand it, did not exist until the singularity began expanding. Gravity was bound with the other 3 primordial forces – elcrtomagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces.
Your copypasta is worthless, as the rest of the fundiot nutter crap you post.
Today's argument from The Chad:
Gravity is imperfectly understood, therefore Jesus.
Not to be confused with these other favorites:
The big bang, therefore Jesus.
Punctuated Equilibria, therefore Jesus.
Abiogenesis is imperfectly understood, therefore Jesus.
These are all modern classics in their own right, but each contributes to a larger body of theory known as Arguments From Ignorance.
EMMA “AMEN!!!!...As for me and my children.....WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD CREATOR OF THE EARTH AND UNIVERSE!”
That’s exactly what my mom use to say when I was a kid, and you are just as wrong about your children as she was
EMMA:
You are probably a lost cause, but why would you cripple your children intellectually for the rest of their lives? You should be ashamed, this almost qualifies as child abuse.
Thank you Bill Nye! I stand with you.
every hindu, denier of truth absolute is stuck in hind, darkness of hinduism, denial of truth in his hindu soul, criminal desire, so is every hindu, criminal member of hinduism, Mafia, every hindu atheist, criminal self centered assuming to be truth absolute, God himself in hind, gang of hindu's, criminals.
Life is an ongoing continuous chemical reaction that started a couple of billion years ago. Nothing more, nothing less. When you die you die. I know it sucks but grow up and deal with it.
life is creation by truth absolute, created by truth absolute, dependent and subordinated to truth absolute, God for existence, Science of Quantum physics witness to it, but every hindu, denier of truth absolute hindu atheist denies it in his hindu Judaism, filthy self centrism, secular ism, considering himself to be the truth absolute, god . Way of hindu's, blinded by their hindu soul, filthy desire.
Absolutely not.