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August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET
Bill Nye slams creationismBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children." "Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times. Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back." "Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video. Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days. For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years. Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution. During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years. Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins "The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video. "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said. Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood. The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution. "In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video. soundoff (14,640 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 Next » |
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There may not be evidence supporting a God in the scientific community, but then again, all rules of science are meant to be broken and outside of that lies something science cant explain. We live we die...we dont cease to exist. the universe is a little more complicated than that.
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What on earth are you talking about? All rules of science are not meant to be broken, in fact the natural order is NEVER suspended and it is only that that makes life possible. You're confused with the saying, rules are made to be broken.
Creationism, in all its possible forms, is only necessary because science has been unable to detemine how ANYTHING actually originated. Cosmologically, physically and biologically, science is a big fat 0 for 3...and things are not looking good on any front at this point. Science is faith based. The faith is that a bunch of naked apes on a little planet in an obscure galaxy will, through observation and experimentation, be able to solve the greatest mysteries of the Cosmos. During the Enlightenment, Atheists like Diderot were certain that all the great mysteries of the cosmos would be solved within a few years. 260 years later, the mysteries are deeper than ever.
No, Gordy, science is not faith based. Where in hell did you get that notion?
Just another commonly spread fallacy that since science cannot explain EVERYTHING (which it never purports to, to begin with) that it is somehow all built on a house of cards.
The house of cards clearly belongs to the creationists, who have zero evidence of any of their claims.
Good god. Creationism is nothing more than a magical panacea, that answers everything but answers nothing. The fact that we may not know something yet means that we doesn't know yest. You don't get to fill those gaps with your god. That's the argument from ignorance fallacy in motion.
Bill might know science but he don't know if there is a God or not. He just isn't that smart. He has no proof to make that statement
I'll bet he knows a hell of a lot more than you ever will. Like how to conjugate verbs.
Moron.
And of course, you can prove that, can't you? I suppose you're so smart you can prove there is a god, right? What is your I.Q.? Did you never learn that one can't prove something doesn't exist? Did you see Nye attempt to prove any such thing?
You didn't even read the article, did you?
And just where DID he make that statement, nimrod?
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Holy shit, Ralph. You're not only a poor writer, but a poor reader as well. Bill was attacking creationism, not god. Lack of creationism doesn't mean lack of god (even though that's undoubtably true as well). Why don't you reread the article a little more slowly. And have a grownup help you with the big words.
Not "he don't know," but rather "he doesn't know." (Contracted form of "does not" is "doesn't.") And "doesn't" in this case is an auxiliary to form the negative of the main verb "know." This is a case of serendipity, where your accusation of someone not knowing reflected your own lack of understanding. I've done it myself, probably more times than I can remember. The truth stings our pride but we can learn from the mistakes.
Bill be patient and keep doing a fine job in letting others learn the truth about science. I put science here for a reason, for you to use your intellect and grow, not to make up complete unfounded lies and stick to the point of saying it is correct. And that is not a theory, that is a fact. Now play nice creationists before I make you realize more than your tiny brain can handle for now and you drop over.
Funny that god can't do his own posts, and has to rely on some old paper text instead of producing his own website.
Science: Prove it. Prove it to me again. Prove it wrong. Prove it wrong again.
Religion: Believe, or go to hell. Believe, or you are devil. Believe and believe and you are saved.
The only thing Bill Nye wants is more slaves to push the corporacracy to create more technology to make more money until the evil corporations of the world have dominated it successfully. That's the evolution of science!! lol
Really Troy? What about the computer you used to send us your profound message? What about the medicines you and your loved ones take to overcome diseases? What about the everyday things you surely enjoy such as electricity, light bulbs, refrigerators and cars? Would you rather go back to living in a cave without any of these things? C'mon now. Sure there is greed; there will probably always be greed. Some times it's worse. Look at many of today's GOP leaders. One of their main missions in life is to fight for the rich in order to pay less taxes then everyone else. Science seeks the truth in how this planet and universe work. As knowledge grows, so does the ability to use the things around us, even down to the molecules and atoms. There will always be greed but their haven't always been light bulbs.
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I would like to ask this – if all there is, is the material world, how are there laws – laws of science, laws of thought that are used as objective standards. Aren't laws immaterial in nature?
Todd, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.
So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.
Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.
Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
There are 'laws' due to the initial conditions of the big bang. Maybe you should study a bit of science and ask different and better questions. There are still mysteries in the world. But evoking some godlike deity gets you nowhere in the search for repeatable truths.
"Law" isn't really used in science anymore. But I don't understand the conflict even if it were. In a physical universe there are physical constraints. That's what you'd expect.
They are obviously not "laws" per se but rather models we have made to understand how things work. At the root of it there are only four primary forces in nature, and those have been the same since the Big Bang.
To say that 'laws' have been there does not explain how you get something that is immaterial, from that which is material. How is that possible?
You do not accept it if someone says, "God was there" as an explanation, why can you use that type of argument?
If you accept that the physical world is all that exists, anything that exists outside the physical realm must be eliminated which would include laws – scientific, or of thought. If it is simply a convention of man, or they are models that we have made to understand things – we are still dealing with abstract thought (immaterial) to make sense of material things. If as Sagan said, "The cosmos is all there is, all there ever was, and all there ever will be," then how can there be anything that is not material in nature?
Laws you speak of are the invisible order in the universe that gives a repeatable, predictable structure to material phenomena. Is it what we expect to always discover in a uniformitarian universe? Sure, apart from paranormal anomalies. Are the paranormal an indication of exceptions? Absolutely. The spirit world is the dark realm just beyond the knowable threshold of washy is provable. It is fact that can be known with conviction before proof is discovered. Spirit is what drives innovation and discovery. And thus spirit is imagination, and though immaterial, indispensable to science.
Todd, who told you that thought, or "laws" aren't material? Thought is a chemical process- chemicals are real. Abstract thought isn't "immaterial." I wouldn't use the word material, but I assume that you mean made up of some form of energy...?
Donna,
If thought is simply the result of chemical processes, then what affects those chemical processes that cause me to think the way I do?
Just to clarify – I mentioned 'laws' of thought. Like the rules of logic. Those are laws – a fixed set of precepts that help me to see what thoughts make sense and what thoughts do not. To transgress those laws (immaterial precepts) – such as the law of non-contradiction (if my thoughts are simply chemical reactions) is ok because that is how chemicals in my brain work. To you something may be a contradiction and to me the same thing may not be – because our chemical processes are different.
No one would be able to give me an external standard (law) of thought (logic) and hold me to it if that is simply how my brain works, would they?
If the rules of logic are the result of a material process – how is that the case? Are the rules of logic material in nature? Are they simply the conglomoration (spelling?) of chemical processes? If they are not, where do they come from and why would anyone be held to them as an external standard of what is correct thought?
Todd, that's imminently prevaricated to most chipmunks. Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.
So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.
Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.
Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
Todd,
Those chemical processes are YOU. They don't make you think things, they are how you think at all. You're questions are about neural networks, and if you want to understanding the process in depth, you should read a book on the subject.
You can't "see what thoughts make sense" because your thoughts are internal to you- you can't separate your thoughts from you.
"No one would be able to give me an external standard (law) of thought (logic) and hold me to it if that is simply how my brain works, would they?"
Of course they could. Why not? You are inventing problems even though you don't understand how the brain works. Don't pretend to know more than people who spend decades studying the brain. It's absurd of you, and shows you aren't seriously interested in the subject.
You are confusing laws of logic, which are social constructs, with physical constraints. You can't equate the two.
If you want to discuss these issues, you have to use proper terminology, give yourself a real background, and stop inventing laws and rules.
Okay, Bill I love your videos but this is out of line. To say that if you are a Christian and you believe the Bible that you can't be a good scientist is preposterous. That's like saying I don't want a doctor who is a Christian. I personally, don't want anyone operating on me that doesn't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I say, we have had too many non-Christian scientists who are unethical and who have no respect for God or life. You tell me...Where were people the Sunday after 911? Whom did Americans call upon as the planes hit? Yes, people know there is a God because we are created in His image. You may deny Him now but Revelations 5:13 says
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
Everything is by design.
Religious Loon.
Angela, while you are quote picking and dumping from Revelations on us, let's take a broader look at what's really in your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible. Horrid stuff like this from Revelations and elsewhere:
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
A good scientists understands the value of evidence. So if you believe in Creationism, you have to ignore all of the evidence we have about things like biology and geology.
Why doesn't god heal amputees? I guess they're not good enough for them.
If the Bible is so great, why doesn't it say a single thing about why slavery is wrong.
Since you know every amputee since the day of creation will you provide proof that none have been healed?
Amputees, slavery and other atrocities are allowed to happen so that spectators will know that we live in sin like fish live in water. We don't even know the full extent of human depravity throughout history. If you saw them all, you would lose your mind.
We don't need to know every amputee since creation to know for sure that god has abandoned plenty of them.
Really? Abandoned? You have proof of that as well ?
2537: Maybe it is just me, but if I were god, I'd only punish those that were terrible sinners. Why does god punish so many of his followers that devote their lives to him?
christopher hitchens: There's no proof that unicorns don't exist and there's also no evidence that they do. Does that mean we should believe in unicorns?
You say if you were god you would punish all the sinners. Well that would be just every single person then. GOD's thinking is way beyond yours, you can gain all of the knowledge in the world and in reality you will still know nothing. You speaks as an foolish simple minded mortal. Questioning A being who can create is enough to point out your foolishness. And this world is the way it is because of HUMANS. What will you accuse GOD for? For allowing humans to kill their brothers and sisters? For allowing humans to live at their freewill?
"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:27-29
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We are all equal. The jews would do great things when they were doing right by God, and when they were not they would often find themselves conquered and enslaved. Once they found their way back to doing right by God they would find freedom again. Their God allowed this. I never understand why people only praise the Lord for only good things? An all powerful God has a hand in everything.
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So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Matthew 7:11-13"
If more christians actually followed the bible and loved others, the world would be a much better place.
"whose tongue utters no slander, who does no wrong to a neighbor, and casts no slur on others;
Psalm 15:2-4"
Including myself and many others I know, not many follow this. It is hard to not hate and love those who are not like yourself.
"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:7-9"
We're are to love others because we are all the same. All who walk this earth are blessed with life.
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The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Romans 13:8-10"
Love, it is so simple yet so hard to do. The whole world seems no matter what designed to make us divisive.
"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:9-11"
How great is that? Love is the fulfillment of the law, there are a lot of christians doing unto others in a less than loving way. Back to the slavery question, the bible mentions slavery and I don't think flat says it is wrong but I think you'll agree you can't enslave someone in a loving way.
We are all depraved sinners. Christians are supposed to be the first to declare their own depravity. Depraved, not because we've been convicted of civic crimes, but because of the exceeding holiness of who God is.
Slavery isn't wrong, biblically speaking, as long as it is an act of 'loving your neighbour as yourself'. Yes, it would be wonderful if the healings that were done back then were done the same to day, but, since that is mostly up to the apostles of today, all I can say is we're still not following in their footsteps. Maybe we, the church universal, still have some challenges we have not faced when it comes to 'leaving all and following Him', not to mention the faith gap still there. Compare the devotion of, say, St. Paul, with today's supposed 'replicas'. I know I have to face it; I'm not there, as Paul was.
As for Christian god being 'loving', take a look at these loving chestnuts re the Christian sky fairy, or many others like them in the bible, both OT and NT:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Bob – Do you believe in Capital Punishment? If a serial killer is caught, do you think it is fitting that the courts hand that person a sentence of death? I know MANY non-Christians who believe in death for crimes less severe then murder. I don't get the anger and animosity towards those who have faith. If you don't believe, that's your choice. IF one does believe in God, then doesn't God have the right to make the rules? He commanded death to those who broke the Laws because He knew the depth of sin that would grow throughout the world over the years. When a doctor finds cancer in the body, they cut the cancer out to prevent it from spreading.
The New Testament verse from Revelation that you mention is referring to the those who follow the ways of sin. That have turned from God, and turned their own way. God Himself will deal those people.
There is a spirit that resides in those who believe as you do and all who mock God. Revelation 12:9 states that Satan is the one who is deceiving the whole world. We are either children of Satan or children of God. And from your posting I think we know which side you are on.
My prayer for you is that you put down the sword, give up the fight. Ask God to reveal Himself to you, and He will.
The New Testament proclaims one of Love. God so loved the World that he Sent His one and only son, so that everyone who believes in Him will NOT perish but have eternal LIFE. We as a people have got ourselves into a fine mess. God has done a work to get us out. Just as any good parent would.
Hope this helps.
When an archaeologist finds a tyrannosaurus fossil with soft tissue still inside, I question the claim that it is 67million years old. Question everything you hear, really everything. Pretend you're buying a used car.
You're on the road to recovery. The scientific method is within your grasp.
Great thinking. If only people would apply that type of questioning to the bible, the world would be a better place.
It's "fossilized" soft tissue.......but never in the "fossilized" stomach of a dinosaur has "fossilized" human bones been found.
Amazing – During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
Have you noticed how the earth is flat here in Death Valley?
Yes, said the child, but I watched the great sail ships disappear before my eyes on the ocean.
And why said the teacher, do some believe the earth is round and others believe it is flat?
I guess it's because of their point of observation, said the child.
Very good. Now let's climb this path higher and observe the people at various points. Did you listen to those over there arguing about whether creation or evolution is correct?
Yes, but I wonder why they argue with such ferocity said the child.
Perhaps they have a difficult time weighing all the observations said the teacher. Often people will cling to their current understanding as if to defend it against all other beliefs. This allows them to rest on this path of life. Eventually, however, they will be rested and continue the journey up this mountain where they will find better observational points. Now that we've climbed higher have you noticed any difference in the discussions of the people at this place?
Yes, said the child. These people are much more courteous to each other and the discussions often consider other viewpoints and ask why. I overheard the evolutionists here discussing how that is a very creative idea and the creationists here were striving to understand what a day in God's time meant.
Good said the teacher. Now let's climb much higher for a better view!
Whew, said the child, that was some climb!
Yes, said the teacher, but what a view from here!
But why, said the child, are there so few people enjoying this site? Are they resting down below before they decide to climb?
Yes, said the teacher. Rather than climb for a better view, they cling to their current level of understanding and arguing with each other over who is right. But as you climb higher up this path with an open mind, your understanding increases immensely.
Why, said the child, do they argue down below when they can find the answers up here?
Have you noticed, said the teacher, that our trek required us to be seekers and have great respect and humility for this mountain path?
Yes, said the child, but it is sure worth it. The view is awesome!
Right you are, my child, said the teacher. But do you want to rest here with your understanding?
NO, said the child! Look how much farther we have to climb! Our understanding will be tremendous higher up!
Yes said the teacher and we will find greater teachers as we struggled up.
And so the two of them excitedly continued, seekers of Truth, climbing the path with Great Humility and Respect and expecting great rewards and understanding for their efforts.
Understand All, that God is the Greatest Scientist.
Why waste time arguing about your views from so far down on the path?
Mr Darwin...that was a very interesting story. When I began to climb that mountain of understanding as a child I very quickly left behind those who stuck to an idea of the god/creation myth. They clung firmly to the ground and did not seek the truth at all. They did not even open their eyes to look at the world as it is. They insisted that they already knew the answer and that their journey was complete. As I climb, even to this day, I encounter only those people who reject the obvious myths of god/jesus/holy spirit (I live in a western country, so this myth is predominant). True Seekers are not burdened by your narrow vision of truth.
Mr Darwin...that was a very interesting story. When I began to climb that mountain of understanding as a child I very quickly left behind those who stuck to an idea of the god/creation myth. They clung firmly to the ground and did not seek the truth at all. They did not even open their eyes to look at the world as it is. They insisted that they already knew the answer and that their journey was complete. As I climb, even to this day, I encounter only those people who reject the obvious myths of god/jesus/holy spirit (I live in a western country, so this myth is predominant). True Seekers are not burdened by your narrow vision of truth. Its a nice view from up here!
Google search "PBS Creationism" and watch the NOVA movie on Intelligence Design
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People used to believe the world was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe. There is indisputable evidence to support the theory of evolution, but it's sad that half of the people in this country, in the 21st century, would still like to cling to the idea that "God" created the world in six days. Just one of the reasons why this country is in deep trouble.
The Bible in Isaiah says that the earth is a circle. The idea that the world thought the earth was flat did not come from the religionists.
Isaiah 40:22 –
He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
How did Isaiah know that the earth was a CIRCLE?
Maybe because the horizon is circular? I mean, why are you basing your entire spiritual way of life on a text written by a stone age people whose vocabularies were limited? People who had no method for treating simple wounds? No method for removing human sewage from populated areas? My God, man. It's a book written by cavemen, quite literally. Clearly you can find portals for beauty and truth in other things around you rather than in one ridiculous Bronze Age Middle Eastern book of fables? Otherwise, you end up being quite like them... unable to heal yourself, unable to use the gifts God gave you to discover new joys in his world. Snap out of it.
The Earth is not a circle, its a sphere. So your boy was just ignorant. The ancient greeks knew the Earth to be a sphere a thousand years before your bible myths were even invented...err...stolen from pagan faiths...
From a distance does not the earth look like a circle? A circle is 2 dimensional, while a sphere is 3 dimensional. Read Isaiah 52:13 – 53 to see what else Isaiah spoke about in a prophetic manner. The Bible proves itself to be the Word of God by it's prophecy.
Vera Waitress – your idea of the lives of those from ancient times is soooooo off. Where did you study history? You know nothing about ancient civilizations. The Jews that lived in Jesus's time, already had the scriptures, written in Hebrew, 2000 years before.. Other civilizations also had a verbal and written language. Cavemen? Please! The New Testament was written from 45 AD to 95 AD. Secular writers such as Flavius Josephus lived from 37 AD TO 100 AD, and he wrote many historical books! Look it up.
To all Christians that are out there why are you defending the Bible to atheists or just plain scientists that cant even explain the origins of the world yet speak as if they have authority?? Some know a bit about the Bible but not enough to pray and have God answer their questions but enough that they would use the unknown to create doubt?? How stupid how it shows lack of faith. They have no credible cause of life evolution has so many holes its Swiss cheese and it was formed by one man and the rest trying to prove him right. Atheists a religious stupid cult that prides itself on knowledge when it has none. Portraying things unknown as fact. Get a grip. I would rather throw in with God on Creation than throw in with man on evolution any day. What the ?? are we so stupid we would fall for this? They spend trillions of dollars in trying to answer questions and that have eluded them since the beginning of time. The biggest work the Large Hadron Collider cost trillions to build and can you imaging how much it cost to run?? Yet we only have 2 rays of light that come from these particles that they say is the illusive God particle. They think it is but what is it what does it mean who created the God particle? Why if they are so curious about God would they not spend this money to find out if there is God which actually this may reveal. Not that the particle is named that for this reason. Because this is their god their worship and important for them. Not the saving of lives from this financial collapse not the waiting to see if they are correct in their statement of no God. They belittle and try intimidation when they just don't know. Just like the bully in the school yard. We as Christians have taken the time to know that there is a God. They simply recite what man has already said they did no personal exploring so who is the one that is lacking?? Stand firm Christian we will see the salvation of our God and we have the benefit of knowing Him now and for heaven I say rejoice when we have a hope and a promise. While they have at best lights out or worse hell. We see how they worship their god just as it was in days of old. But when the end comes who is the one who they ask for???
Why doesn't god heal amputees? I guess they're not good enough for them.
If the Bible is so great, why doesn't it say a single thing about why slavery is wrong.
"Atheists a religious stupid cult that prides itself on knowledge when it has none. Portraying things unknown as fact."
Sounds like Christianity, Bubba
For a better understanding of the times before the Bible and the development of the earth and human life, we invite you to read the article ‘Creation’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.
Evolution is not a very practical piece of science, unless religious controversy is your livelihood or ideological passion. So its vocal adherents suffer from a sense of inadequacy. This is why the controversy so often stirs in politics and education, especially when the cameras are rolling.
As a rule, smaller the tool, more force you must exert. As it stands, evolutionary technology is a rather tiny tool.
Please tell me you don't have children and teach them that kind of thinking?? If you were to apply the creationism theory to any other aspect of our daily world – that any tangible object can just magically be brought into existence – you'd be laughed at by anyone with common sense. But, I guess there's the catch; religion has nothing to do with common sense. It in fact flies in the face of common sense and logic. Suggesting that our entire world and universe was "created" is the most simplistic, uneducated cop-out known to man and the fact that it survives to this day is frankly, scary. Bill Nye is right to be disturbed by this!
Stevez-Art! – With regards to your – "that any tangible object can just magically be brought into existence – you'd be laughed at by anyone with common sense." If evolution is the Way, how did the first tangible object come into existence?
Faith in God and Faith in Evolution are just that. Faith. No one was there to observe either. So by faith one has to believe, in either way. And we all, thank goodness, have freedom to believe as we believe.
The idea that belief in creationism complicates a persons whole world fantastically, as Nye puts it, is absurd. Evolution, whether true or not true, is a way to explain God. When God is explained away, that fantastically complicates the world. Ive seen peoples lives lived loving God, and I have seen peoples lives away from God. The latter is not pretty. Eventually it catches up with the individual.
I left out the word "away" in the following sentence – Evolution, whether true or not true, is a way to explain AWAY God.
I've taken two years of physics, a year of bio and a semester of chemistry at a top tier university. The biggest hurdle to applied science is not understanding evolution, but mathematics. The controversy fanatics obsess about this particular aspect of life science, but much of contemporary advances in technology is taking place outside of basic biology. Biology is a washed up science as far as technology is concerned.
This is simply not true. I am a scientist studying proteins involved in Alzheimer's disease, and use evolutionary relationships to determine how I approach my problem. There is an entire branch of medicine called evolutionary medicine. It has been used in the development of the cancer drug Taxol, as well as many viral treatments just to name a few.
2357,
I't is hard to argue with your semester of science, but I will try. Biology is doing just fine. It is becoming an integrative science, including physics, computer science, and material science. It is still the only way we approach human disease and is active in making our life as humans better. As with everything in life, how we use it and approach it is important. Biology will allays be as important a science as the other branches.
Not practical? The study of living things isn't practical? It's how we understand how our bodies, including our brains, work.
Thank you, Bill Nye for standing up for science and education. Keep up the good fight. Remember how Galileo was treated.
You would fit in well with the peasants of the middle ages.