August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET
Bill Nye slams creationism
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."
"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.
Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."
"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.
Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.
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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.
For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.
During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins
"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.
"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.
Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.
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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.
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-The Bible doesn't say how old the earth is.
-Humans are a fairly recent arrival
-"Transitional" hominid fossil trail is sketchy at best
-Genesis 1:1 likely occurred in dateless past, becoming "without form and void" (1:2) more recently (see Clarence Larkin)
-Genesis 1 record has gaps , ie time gap between 1:1, 1:2, no information about creation of water, angels, cherubim, Lucifer.
-I believe God created us and I am doing fine working in the biology / hydrology fields.
– Have a nice day Bill
You are an idiot. How is it you can work in that particular field? You must suck at it.
You may technically be working in the biology / hydrology field but I guarantee you are not making any groudbreaking discoveries or adding any advancements to the field. No one has every claimed that a creationist can't have a job in a science field.
Thank you, science and God CAN coexist. One can be a tool used to help understand the other.
So what is your field? Biology/hydrology? Based on your response all that your profession could be is professional toilet attendant, or at most cleaning bio waste using a water hose.
How can evolutionists expect sound debate when they can't even decide what "species" means?
Most of the evolutionist's assertiveness and confidence comes from the labyrinthine semantics that they themselves have yet to work out. When creationist picks out some of these terms to make an argument, the evolutionists whine and complain that the creationists have it all wrong.
Lol, at least with physicists you can argue using specific terms that have remained relatively unchanged, many for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. But evolution has made its foundation a moving target of terms and ideas that aren't really nailed down that well and that are constantly changing. Yesterday this species means "this", tomorrow phylum means "that."
Tell us, evolutionists, what does "evolution" mean to you? Form a consensus for crying out loud. It's so touchy-feely, I can't tell what evolution actually means to anyone. And yet some of you claim it's "right." Lol, what's so "right" about it. Today 2+2 = 5, tomorrow, could be 6, but both days you'll be screaming about how right it is.
You guys want to have your cake and eat it too. Create a clear-cut set of ideas and definitions, then let's debate. If those ideas and definitions change, there needs to be new debate! Duh!
... you people scare me, why does this country have to be so dumb. "science is your religion" no its not its based on provable facts! scientific theories are written in thousands of books and is taught in every school around the world besides Sunday school. the lack of understanding what science is is appalling. we as a country should feel bad that 46% deny evolution because its a theory and a book written thousands of years ago said so. gravity is a theory i dont see you people complain that that is false because its not in the bible! i dont see you people complain either that if Adam and Eve were the only two people on the planet who did their children procreate with?
Adam and Eve's children procreating is no more strange than evolutionary theories. I mean how many apes evolved from whatever they evolved from? And how many of them were there? Did the same two apes just bang it out a bunch of times and create such a massive variety of primates? Maybe incest mutation played a role in the amount of different species of primates. Maybe the same can be said for the different races of the world.
looking a little deaper into Genesis: when cain killed able and God banished Cain:
Genesis 4:13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
now, if all of the sons and daughters of adam and eve are God fearing (which i think is a fair assumption) because they would be committing the same sin that Cain committed, who does Cain have to fear? There is a strange inconsistance in the bible.
Even if God created the uiniverse for that to happen a form of science takes place.
Science is the study of processes, not the processes themselves. These processes occurred long before there was even the hint of science. ; )
I suggest you stick to TV and whatever it is you're trained to do, and leave matters of faith and theology to those who are better qualified to speak about such matters.
How much Hebrew and Greek do you know?
How many years have you spent studying in the field of comparative religious studies?
How well do you understand the structure of the book of Leviticus, the Gospel of Matthew or the book of Revelation?
None of that is gonna help you to do with science or technology. evolution is science and it is used today. comeon bro, the US defense systems use genetic algorithms to man our drones. get educated
You do realize he is a scientist, and has no interest in your theology. As a matter of fact, he was blatently calling you stupid for disregarding proven FACTS about the world, to fit into a narrow, theological view. You are the point he is making, you are the problem.
Well, if he's a scientist, that makes a difference. He must then be right. Because, after all, he's a scientist.
Any scientist worth his or her salt knows the profound limitations or our canons of logic and "science", itself. Even our mathematics have inherent limitations.
Even Einstein said that imagination is more powerful than knowledge.
Ok, we'll stay out of theology, and the creationists can stay out of science.
At you recognize what creationism is, a figment of someone's "imagination".
Creationism actually results from the observable fine tuning of the universe. Another reason is that nothing can not produce something; just to name a few things...
GOD also supposedly made man in His own image... Does this mean that God has n;pples,...and that he has a pen;s? Why would He need those things? How about an anu$? Does He have one of those too? Does he need to use it? What does God eat and drink? If Dos is perfect, why would he even need to eat, drink, p00p, or pee, and why would He even have anything as useless as n;pples on a guy (since God is supposedly a He)...?
Right and instead of flesh we could have been made from liquid metal like the terminator in the movie T3. Your so smart!
If your speaking of the Christian God, which I assume you are then your assumption is wrong.
God primarily is explained as a immaterial eternal being.
When the bible speaks of being made in the image of God this verses is often misunderstood. Some Christians take this as if they themselves are like God; you on the other hand take it as if God designed this body just like his. You go further and wonder why we have a digestive system and certain futures. For the sake of time the answer is simply this human body was not intended for eternity which is stating the obvious. This body is finite and intended for a brief amount of time; it the resurrected body that is intended for eternity. The resurrected body will embellish perfection.
The biggest problem with creationism is that it inevitably leads to the question, who created the creator? Quantum mechanics and fundamental theory are quickly taking away the mysteries of the universe; I would encourage people to read A Universe from Nothing by physicist Lawrence Krauss – it goes a long way to theorizing and, I believe, explaining a large portion of how our universe was formed.
The problem with a universe out of nothing is it also is a series of infinite regression. To believe that a quantum vacuum appeared out of the void of nothingness because of the laws of quantum mechanics demanded it does not solve the question why there is something rather than nothing. The question remains who made these infinite laws? on what tablet in the universe are these laws written? why is that these laws can command the void of empty space and create a quantum vacuum? I could go on but I think you get my point. If the laws of physics are eternal why is it so? how did they arise from nothing and make everything?
As a geologist with a Masters Degree, I can only say the repudiation of evolution is putting one's head in the sand. We use the evolution of microorganisms in the oil business to correlate oil bearing formations. Evolution is all around us, and continues today.
But oil didn't evolve. It's just debris laying there after some huge global event happened and left it there...? Right?
Babs – Wrong.
Evolution does take place, yes we see evolution in species through the history of Earth. What we don't see is a specific species evolve into other species. For example A can evolve into AA or AAA and so on; but A can not produce D.
You should really research what you are saying before making yourself look even more foolish.
Slam must have taken on a new meaning or there was a great deal of content missing from this article, because nothing that I read on now two sites that indicates anything close to that being uttered by Bill Nye. He makes a logical argument and plea that people simply stop ignoring factual evidence.
It is no coicidence that those who disbelieve evolution seem to have very little understanding of what the theory actually says. They continue to spout off the same erroneous arguements against that aren't even true of evolution to begin with.
You must fully understand a subject and what its actual claims are before you can make a sensible arguement against it.
IT is true. That understanding evolution does require critical thinking skills.
So someone with critical thinking skills that disagrees with evolution doesn't exist? Pot meet kettle.
It's not that complex of a concept really. It's 3rd grade curriculum in my state.
Donna, I would agree. The basic concepts are not that complex but you still must take the time to learn them.
The real issue is that evolution requires critical thinking (using metaphysics, epistemology, logic and ethics), which most Americans are painfully unaware, rather it is easier to just throw the bible at science (especially, if you lack educational skills).
I'm sure there are several PHD's in religious theology that would disagree with you.
I am not disputing "theology". We are talking about evolution. If you mind it closed (to religion) there is no way for one to be able to see nature correctly.
It's the difference between forming beliefs based on evidence and forming beliefs based on dogma and tradition.
The 2300 years do not end before the year 2132 nor after 2370.
The time times & half time do not end before 2060. .... It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast.
I'm sure at least a few theologists are creationists..
So what you are saying is that the open mind thing is a one way street?
You can believe in God. And know the truth of science (Evolution) at the SAME time.
I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.
You have a few Americans who do accept evolution, a few Americans who vocally reject it, and a lot of Americans who are too busy watching television to bother educating themselves on the facts. This is the quintessentially dangerous paradigm of American life: Americans are more than happy to accept all of the fantastic technologies that come with science. They just don't want to listen to the change in worldview that comes with that know-how.
Once the evangeiists and faith healers adapt to 3D TV you won't have to leave your couch to be in the presence of jjeessuuss and have your pocket picked, send your donation to....
I'm sorry–who is Bill Nye?
Someone much smarter than you
You're either under the age of 20 or over the age of 60.
He had a TV show called "Bill Nye the Science Guy" for YEARS. Very beloved for people who were in there teens during the 90s.
You know nothing about my academic background, nor my intellectual abilities.
How in your unfounded arrogance do you come to such a conclusion?
BELIEFS OF DARWIN DUMMIES:
* Nothing produces everything.
* Non-life produces life.
* Randomness produces fine-tuning.
* Chaos produces information.
* Unconsciousness produces consciousness.
* Non-reason produces reason.
WHAT A JOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is better to be though a fool that to post your nonsense and prove it.
Aww, did someone flunk 8th grade biology? So sad.
someone never passed a biology class...
...As opposed to a sky pilot created everything in 6 days. Uh huh.
And yet, it is totally logical that some imaginary guy who no one has ever seen in the history of ever is responsible? Please.
Mindless sound-bites produce proof that Christians are completely brainwashed.
* Writing in all caps makes your argument stronger
* Arguments from fallacies
* The millions and millions of animal and vegetable species fit on an arc
* The entire field of post medieval science is a hoax
* Proper education is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Living in a world where you can't watch the Discovery Channel without getting angry must be pretty sad.
your ignorance is your sin, you ever see what happens when amino acids get zapped by electricity?
Lol. Nobody ever said it worked that way. That's just what Creationists say to try to make themselves feel better about the fact that they believe in something really stupid.
Not sure what any of your comments have to do with evolution, but hey that's the way, throw out a bunch of completely unrelated statements and claim everyone else is stupid.
"Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible."
and they vote...scary
And of course they avidly watch the sky for signs as in Gen 1:14
and they hear their magical god talking to them.
Evolution is just a non-believer's way of defending the way he believes and covers up their fear that Hell does exist. Hey Bill, did you know that Hell does NOT hand out asbestos suits??????
Get it straight you nut – you fear your delusions. We don't care about your jibberish.
Hell only exists to those that fear it.
Hell is what would happen if we got a religious government
So I should tell the person who holds a gun to my head that I will love them if they don't pull the trigger?
So I should tell God that I love him if he doesn't cast me into Hell?
It's also, coincidentally, the way humans arrived on Earth.
Hmmm you are from WV...explains some things...stick to Nascar and breeding
"Evolution is just a non-believer's way of defending the way he believes and covers up their Fear that Hell does not exist"?
----------------------------------------------------– Read your nonsense... Why would anybody fear something that "does not exist"?
It's all mythology.
I believe you meant to say "NASCAR and inbreeding".
There was a time when the church persecuted scientists for teaching the Earth was not the center of the universe. This is just another example of the same nonsense.
Mike – While the church was wrong in that in the past for doing that, I would think these so called "evolved" scientists wouldn't be trying to ban unbelief in their unproven science of their evolution god.
I have no problem teaching the "theory" of evolution if you have no problem with the teaching the "theory" of creation.
How intolerant the so called "tolerant" are of anything they don't like. Progressivism is truly a mental disorder that has cursed the world with is dehumanizing atheism. Don't forget it was belief in the state (ie communism) that resulted in 100 MILLION deaths in the 20th century. Progressives are destroying everything good and decent in the world and mass murdering millions in the name of Statism. Evolutionary scientists are simply tools for their vile vision of a utopian paradise (ala 1984)
I've decided my job for the rest of the day needs to be following Chris J around and apologizing for his errors. Communism was not the cause of millions of deaths in the 20th century, to quote the movie Clue, "communism is simply a red herring", The cause of millions of deaths in world war two was the lunitic ideas in religion, the occult and spirtualism run a muck.
I feel bad for the evolutionists who have no hope, yet make science their god and demand all "non-believers" to have their children indoctrinated by the government progressives.
Macro evolution is about as factual as the tooth fairy. Evolutionists can't answer the basic tenants of their faith – how order comes out of chaos (violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics), where matter came from, or how mutations survive generations.
Its truly amazing they believe evolution is fact, when the belief that everything in the vast expanse of the universe – all matter – came from a single point the size of an atom, which burst into such amazing creation that it eventually led to our own development out of slugs and into highly advanced thinking creatures.
Yes – that certainly is MUCH easier to believe in than an all-powerful God that created all life. (ie intelligent design)
That's because evolutionists have no belief in God because it would make them have to believe in a moral code.
Mr. Nye is a joke with a anti-life progressive statist government agenda. Someday he, and the other deceivers, will stand before then throne of God and answer for their stunning disbelief in what is in before their eyes every day.
All Mr. Nye did was to reveal himself and who his god is. He would do well to take a trip to the Fabian Socialists society in the UK and develop more weapons to kill of mankind.
How sad Mr. Nye is and how intolerant of divergent opinion. By denying the possibility of a creator God, he has shown himself truly ignorant.
Lol you are retarded.
Name one recent book published in the last ten or twenty years explaining the basic facts of evolution you've read cover to cover.
Holy shit, Chris. You really don't have a shred of a clue, do you? The concept of evolution is so far over your head you'll never get it even if explained to you in first-grade English.
You are clueless on so many levels. You just keep those assumptions...enjoy
I hate the recent overuse of the word "epic", but I have to say that your post is EPICALLY RETARDED. Simply amazingly stupid. I am in awe.
@Allen The Magic of Reality. Also The Selfish Gene. Also Why Evolution is True.
The second law of thermodynamics says chaos comes from order. Not your wrong way round.
The problem with you is evolution is not an opinion... it is a fact.
Nye is a scientist.To be a scientist you must study more than ONE book. Go to the liberary,start with 5th grade earth science.Mabey,after a few OTHER books, you will understand serpants can't talk, verrgins don't get pregnant, and even Jews can't rise from the dead .....or just keep reading that ONE comic book.
I love close minded progressives. How many more millions will you butcher in the name of your "Statist god?"
Here's a clue for you. Turn off MTV, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the government propaganda machine – try and open your mind beyond your purposely dumbed down Rockefeller created worker-bee education and reach a few books from someone who may actually challenge your thinking.
If you want to believe in evolution as your god and live your life without any absolute truth – then as the saying goes "eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die" Without a God, there is no need for a moral compass.
You can certainly belief in the fantasy of everything coming from a single atom that burst into a hundred billion stars and galaxies and then led to the creation of life (evolution cant answer how even a single cell was formed), but you have to realize that takes far more faith than being a religious person who believes in intelligent design
Besides, why are all you supposed "open minded" progressives so intolerant of any diverse thought?
The beauty in this argument is there is no answer. Creationists can scream at the heathens as they trumpet evolution, falling victim to the false belief that because it is not known now, it shall never be known. At the same time, Evolutionists can berate the foolish followers of sheep-like religions that preach blind faith as truth and questions as the work of the devil. Neither person in either group seem to be able to come to the conclusion that you're both right, and you're both wrong. My suggestion, wait till you die, than come back to life and tell us about it, if you can't we are left to fend for ourselves and make our own decisions, something I might add the judeo-christian faiths are reluctant to relinquish to their masses.
I had to add to my point, before reading Chris follow up I figured it was just a Religion v. Science debate, I didn't realize it was Ignorance and Stubburness v. Logic debate. The utterly moronic idea that more people have died in the name of Science than Religion is absurd. I do not quite recall the Scientific Crusades. Perhaps the use of machines created by man to be used in warfare is what he is referring to, to that point, I do not recall Harry Truman thanking science that WW2 ended with a massive mushroom cloud, nope he gave all that credit to a merciful God.
Answers In Genesis called and they need you to stop repeating canards that were debunked over 150 years ago. Stat!
Seriously, dude, your fellow religionists are embarrassed. Second law of thermodynamics, really? Next time you leave your mom's basement during the daytime, look up. See that bright yellow ball in the sky? No, not the one affixed to the glass dome with all the other constellations – they real, actual, hot, bright yellow thing. Please don't stare at it too long, though. The magic pixies will take away your eyesight and give it to a toad. Or a salamander. I'm not up on those things.
And the remainder of your screed isn't worth more than a chuckle, even though I must hang my head in shame knowing it was written by a fellow human being in the 21st century.
You overlook the possibility that there is no God and what we have is what happened sometime many mellenia (sp?) ago. If there really is a God...how come we don't have a 'Perfect Society'? we have murderers, rapists, theives...and worse. NOT the best set of things that a 'true' God would create. And...NO...we are not being tested! I don't know how old you are or what you have experienced in life, but I'm assuming you are pretty young (I'm 67 and have seen alot). Religion, Politics...etc have done nothing more than create Hate, Discontent and War. It's time we all got together. But...I don't see that happening anytime in the next severa; hundred mellenia.
After reading so many of these comments it appears that you must be on one side of this fence or the other. Is it not more likely that there is a God, that he did create the Universe and when he was done, walked away to make something else. Since the initial big bang "triggered" (so to speak) by a omniscient being, and then evolution began from there. Thus:
God made man in his own image – Man evolved from ape – Thus God is an Ape.
If GOD made us within the constraints of His own perfection,...why did he give men n;pples? Guys don't have any need to lactate...and without the requirement of lactation, n;pples essentially serve no purpose... Why would an all-powerful, all-knowing diety, that was building something that was always meant to remain the same throughout all time, create ANYTHING with unnecessary, useless parts?
Evolution contains LOADS of evidence supporting the natural aspect of vestigial organs, limbs, bones, and other parts of biology,...so men having n;pples makes total sense under that construct.... Men having useless n;pples makes absolutely NO SENSE when considering creationism....
Men have nipples because they form in the fetus before that chromosomes that determine gender kick in.
I don't have a tailbone. So I'm more evolved than most of the other commenters. Nyah, nyah, nyah!
Exactly,...thank you Athy... Natural processes, natural events.... No God or magic needed....
Comparing creationism to evolution is apples and oranges. Creationism deals with the creation of the entire Universe and everything in it. Evolution deals with a phenomena that supposedly happens to living things over a very long period of time. Living things that already exist that is. It doesn't address how life came into existence in the first place and for me it doesn't explain the existence of human beings. Evolution contradicts itself when it comes to explaining modern humans. On the one hand it says that it takes an enormous amount of time for freak mutations to occur that just happen to be advantageous and therefore persist into future generations. On the other hand, there has not been enough time between apes and modern humans for all those "freak" mutations to have occured. This points to an intelligent design. The Universe and everything in it was designed very purposefully. Just look around, the fingerprints of the Creator are everywhere. I think evolution happens but it is just a very tiny piece of a trillion piece puzzle that was delibrately created.
Stick to brokering
I agree. Science has failed to explain the creation of the Universe.
"There was a "Big Bang"". Okay, what caused it? "Uh, we don't know."
"Living things evolve". Okay, how did life start in the first place? "Uh, we don't know."
"All we know is that anybody that disagrees with us is STUPID!"
Intelligent design goes back to the idea of multiple gods.
Stick to delivering pizzas.
Dont worry I don't deliver pizzas...I have others do it for me. If you believe in "god"...do you believe other Gods also exist?
I believe there is one God that reigns over his kingdom. A kingdom with many subjects. Legions upon legions of angels. One day Jesus will come back not as a sheep but as a lion and those legions of angels will be at his command. The righteous will be gathered up and the evil will be cut down.
God made man in his own image – Man evolved from ape – God is an Monkey