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August 27th, 2012
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Bill Nye slams creationismBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children." "Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times. Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back." "Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video. Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days. For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years. Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution. During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years. Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins "The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video. "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said. Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood. The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution. "In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video. soundoff (14,640 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 Next » |
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Now you know mama kindless is pleased that this Mr. Nye has this new online video ent'itled: "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children." I have to read more about this Mr. Nye, but at least he states a sensible truth in that t'itle.
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. Teaching kids to be agnostic helps reinforce their understanding of the new real things they can see and learn about in life. It helps them properly separate the known from the unknown without confusing them. They just need to be taught things that are unknown, like god, and things that are made up, like all religion.
Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).
We have only begun to scratch the surface in using the mind to its maximum. Damaging it with made-up junk that politicians and salesmen dreamed up long ago is senseless, and limits the mind's potential. These politicians and charlatans didn't even do a good job of organizing and being consistent with the stuff they dreamt up to try to control people. Daddy used to say they were caught with their pants down when the bible was first translated so that common folk could read it. Very true.
Instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.
mama kindless
i find it funny when people rant all day about how there cant be a god, but when that same person finds himself in a life or death situation whats the first thing they do....god if you please get me out of this ill never "fill in the blank" again.....
And of course, you can prove this, right?
Go ahead and do so. Cite your sources. Your Aunt Fanny doesn't count.
So how many life and death situations for other people do you find yourself in? Would you say it is more or less than the average serial killer?
Religion is the cure for necrophobia is all you're saying.
Where do you get that silly idea? Do you foolishly believe that we lose our rational minds when we are at wits end or near the end of our lives? We grew up and are not afraid, christards are not ab;e to say the same and thus the reason they believe in magical places that don't exist.
Why you're being too simple-minded about that thought, dear. It's OK and natural to fear death. And one can always wonder about things that we know nothing about like god. But it is foolish to make up things about such a person or being or to accept what politicians and salesmen made up and sold other men as information about such a person or being. That's called religion, dear. You see?
mama kindless is near the end of her days and not afraid to die a happy agnostic atheist – that's what they call people who don't try to be too know-it-all about deities, but who have enough sense to be hoodwinked by other men.
The idea of God is a very nice idea, but there is no proof of a God's existence. There is plenty of proof of evolution. In fact, proof of evolution comes from various scientific disciplines. This proof also shows the hap hazard path evolution takes which discounts divine design.
mama said "mama kindless is near the end of her days and not afraid to die a happy agnostic atheist – that's what they call people who don't try to be too know-it-all about deities, but who have enough sense to be hoodwinked by other men.
But you know she means "to not be hoodwinked". Just to be clear. Time for more tea.
First thing I thought during my car accident that ripped the front of my car off down to expose the backs of the pedals?
"The air bags will work, the engineers built them right. I'll be fine."
Stepped out without a scratch, the car crumpled around me just the way it was designed to. Bit of a neck pain from the whiplash, though, but that can't be helped.
Actually stink pickle there are studies that show people near death speak about love and family not about God.
Odd. A couple of years ago when a twister landed near my house I didn't say "God, please save me!" I said "Holy f–k! Twister, get inside!" and ran like hell. But then again, maybe that's just me.
jheron said – "The idea of God is a very nice idea, but there is no proof of a God's existence."
True. That's why Agnosticism is the best approach for that part. We just don't know the first thing about it. For all we know, there never has been and never will be any god. Or maybe god was not spiritual and only visited our planet long ago. Or maybe there is a spirit, but it is only evil, but our natural ability and smarts protect us from it. It's silly to worry about unless we truly learn something concrete about it, not political garbage that men of old sold to some other people.
That's so untrue, the sheer ignorance of it makes me want to pack my skull with TNT.
When was the last time you were able to convince a fully brainwashed individual that they were brainwashed?
Maybe once or twice in my life. But those were pretty intelligent people that happen to have been brainwashed. If they are brainwashed people who happen to be unintelligent, not a chance, might as well go try to tear down a brick wall with your face.
I agree that we have worrisome scientific ignorance in this country and most of his article is pretty obviously true to people with some college education (or even a decent high school education). And from what I understand Creationism is stronger here in the US than elsewhere but I have read about variant versions in other countries so I don't think it is correct to say that it is just a US phenomena. (for example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_evolution or http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Creationism_in_the_United_Kingdom)
Please help me escape from the lies Mr. Nye.
Watch The Tree of Life, and you will understand it all... 🙂 Even though it shows "evolution" in that movie, I believe the director only put that part to make the majority feel confortable....
Your definition of majority is different than mine -15% is not a majority.
At least with intelligent design you can have your god and believe in evolution. This creationism crap would almost befunny, if it were not for the fact it is really, really sad.
ID is not evolution. ID takes fantastic leaps of faith that have nothing to do with science. ID is simply creationism masquerading as science.
ID is just an attempt to get creationism into schools by claiming its something it isnt.
Actually, the billions of years that Bill Nye points to still is not enough time for the slow change in evolutionary thinking. They run out of time. And life has not been evolving for the supposed entire age of the universe. And there is now rational explanation for how information is added to the biological system. Natural selection removes information.
You are misinformed. Evolution doesn't just remove information, though it can. I doubt you understand the definition of information anyways, and I am sure you're just parroting what you've been told. Go learn biochemistry at least before you parrot so you can catch the lies you hear.
Yup, an a 90 year old man gathered two of every animal on the planet and kept them on a boat. Also, what about Asia, or North America? Was you Jesus figure just unaware those people existed, or did "god" only create Middle class white americans?
.. Natural Selection does not remove anything...you obviously didnt do well in eco / biology sciences as a kid did you? The world has never stopped changing and evolving even HUMANS are still evolving.
Frameshift mutations is but one of the way of how information is added to genetic code through natural selection.
I'd bet that 95% of the people who scream that we all have to follow the bible don't know that it forbids drawing a fish. Or a star. Or a tunnel. Don't believe me? It's in the first commandment! Google the 10 commandments, King James version and you'll see it clear as day. But religionists don't believe it. They only believe what Fox News blares at them or their preacher tells them.
whoa,
you REALLY think that is what the first commandment says? Please show me how...YOu are so far off base, it is no wonder you have no idea what the bible says.
A perfect example of tunnel vision reading of the Bible. Commandments 1 and 2 should be taken together. God desires no other gods be worshipped in place of Him. Part of that worship typically meant creating images of that worship (birds,fish, etc). Thus commandment #2. To say you can't draw a picture of a bird or a fish is not God's commandment. I pray God draws you to Him so you can spend an eternity with your Creator. Until then I understand why you say what you do.... First Corinthians 2:14 my friend. First Corinthians 2:14. God bless.
heah. email me. I want to help answer some questions about the Gospel I bet you have. garylencarter@comcast.net
I'm not a creationist, but you're not quite right here, the king james commandment forbids "graven images" of things in the earth below or waters. A graven image is an idol or an image/carving to be worshipped. So you can draw a picture of a fish, you just cannot worship or pray to said drawing. This was against totems, idols, and statues that people made of their gods which they then worshipped as if it was the actual god.
Oh so Jack just like the crucifix which is the icon for the very person who they claim to lionize with it, but he supposedly said to not make any icon of me. The whole stench of religion is hypocritical. It should be considered an entertainment and taxed as such and the vatican and all its lovely treasures from 2000 years of pillaging the earth should have its doors flung open and its wealth spilt out. Disgusting part of Rome.
Bill Nye would have us believe that all who hold to Creationism are ignorant. Yet history tells us that many (not just a few) of the great scientists of the industrial revolution were creationists. Even today there are Creationists at the forefront of science. You see the issue is not one of wrong application of the scientific method. Both Creationists and Evolutionists use the same basic scientific method, which means there are great scientists on both sides of the fence. The issue is one of presuppositions. Every single human being who walks on the face of the earth has a lense that they view the world through. The lense of Evolution/Atheism is vastly different than the lense of Creationism/Theism. At the root of both positions are certain elements that must be accepted by faith. Since Evolution/Atheism denies the existence of God and the biblical account of creation, they have to make sense of the fossil record and geologic formations somehow. So they end up with a really old earth. Also, you can't say a position is right just because a majority of people believe it. I see this argument all the time in regards to evolution and it's a breakdown in logical thinking. History is full of theories that we think are ridiculous today (like: the earth is the center of the universe etc.) that at one time millions of people believed and even fought for, and they were dead wrong. If you are going to argue for evolution please don't defend it by pointing to all the people who believe it as evidence. It has to stand on it's own. Funny how Creationism is the oldest theory of origins yet it still holds its ground today. Romans 2 says that those who deny God are willfully ignorant because everything that can be known about him has been clearly seen from the foundation of the world. There are no Atheists, only those who choose to reject the God they know exists.
Creationism isn't a theory anymore than 'Jack and the Beanstalk' is a theory.
Your information is outdated. Evolution is incontrovertible and Creationism is a lie from a story book written by humans and changed over and over and over for the last 2000 years. I would love for you to Prove Creationism without using the Bible. You can't and you know why? Because that's not how it happened. 🙂
"Bill Nye would have us believe that all who hold to Creationism are ignorant."
You should have just stopped there.
Creationists are lemmings.
"There are no Atheists, only those who choose to reject the God they know exists."
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Whose god? Whose religion? See, here we go again, the fundamentalist christians telling us what we HAVE to believe, and what it has to mean when we don't share your beliefs.
Do not dare to ever tell me what I do and not "know exists". Who the hell do you think you are to insist you know what anyone else believes?
Get off your high freakin' horse!!!
You are everything that is wrong with this country. You want to force your beliefs down everyone else's throats. That's abhorrent behavior. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Keep your religion in your home, where it belongs.
No, people who believe creationism are stupid. The evidence is overwhelming to the contrary. People believing in creationism are just like people believing the world is flat.
Sorry Science proved that your silly religious beliefs were false. Denying the truth is the only way to get around the fact that they have been wrong all of these years. God did not make us in his image. Because there is no God. Just our childish imaginations trying to make sense out of a world that we don't have the intelligence to comprehend.
The theory of evolution is not 'just a theory.' It is a SCENTIFIC theory. What this means is that upon review upon review, upon test upon test, upon new evidence and newer evidence, there has never been ANYTHING that has been able to refute evolution–unless you recount the fairly tales of varoius religions. While evidence and peer review of evidence has helped to modify and enhance evolution since its original proposition as a HYPOTEHSIS (look it up; it's the scientific term for what others call 'just a theory') and mature it to a SCIENTIFIC THEORY, no sound, reasonable, VERIFIABLE alternative has ever survived the merciless review of the scientific method.
This is the most idiotic statement. "There are no Atheists, only those who choose to reject the God they know exists." How do YOU KNOW god exists? Have you seen him personally? I don't think so. The only thing you KNOW is what your five senses tell you. This is exactly why people BELIEVE in god... BELIEVING IS WHAT YOU DO, WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW!!! CLEARLY RELIGION POISONS THE RATIONAL MIND. Also, SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT THE EARTH IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD... IS CALLED CARBON DATING. Clearly this is beyond your level of comprehension... keep living in the stone ages.
“Both Creationists and Evolutionists use the same basic scientific method,”
Typical dishonest christian. Creationists do not use the scientific method. They start from the position that the bible is true and then look for reasons to support it.
Creationism holds ground because people are uneducated and unwilling to listen. Your scared that if your not a true believer you will end up with Satan, another BS myth a bunch of people came up with to make them feel better.
“At the root of both positions are certain elements that must be accepted by faith”
No. At the root of creationism is faith in the bible being true. At the root of the theory of evolution is solid evidence.
You first mistake is assuming that creationism/theism is comparable to science. creationism doesn't even have a seat at the same table. A better comparison for religion would be other ancient mythologies. Or using more modern comparisons fantasy/sci fi, maybe compare creationism/religion to comic books or something.
Here's a better question for you. How would jesus due in a battle against Wolverine and the rest of the X-Men?
Questions about origin of man, age of the planet, it's really not in your wheelhouse.
You are trying to sound rational, but are making a thinly disguised religious argument.
" (not just a few) of the great scientists of the industrial revolution were creationists" This is completely irrelevant. Like any other great Theory, Evolution stands or falls based on its ability to explain and predict. Evolutionary Theory is so compelling that it is the cornerstone of all of modern biology. No modern biological scientists rely on creationism to understand or further their research.
"Both Creationists and Evolutionists use the same basic scientific method, which means there are great scientists on both sides of the fence." This would be laughable if it were not so sad. Creationism is a religious doctrine. It starts with an answer and looks for supporting evidence. It is not even a plausible pseudo-science; it is about as unscientific as you can get.
"Every single human being who walks on the face of the earth has a lense that they view the world through... Since Evolution/Atheism denies the existence of God and the biblical account of creation, they have to make sense of the fossil record and geologic formations somehow."
Yes, everyone has perceptual and rational bias. Which is why the scientific method has proven so useful: it is designed to reduce these biases as much as possible. One way it does this is to create hypotheses that can be proven wrong, and then actively seek evidence that invalidates those hypotheses. Creationism does just the opposite; it assumes what we desperately want to believe and looks only for evidence that supports this belief. Evolution does not deny the existence of the Christian God or the story of creation described in the Christian bible. It simply ignores it, because that hypothesis and that story has little predictive or explanatory power compared to the Theory of Evolution. Evolutionary Theory did not subsequently force scientists to make sense of Geology. Scientists has already made sense of Geology and their explanations for the geological record provided strong independent support for the Theory of Evolution.
"History is full of theories that we think are ridiculous today (like: the earth is the center of the universe etc."
Most of those "theories" were pre-scientific and/or based on religious scholasticism (e.g., "the earth is the center of the universe"). Modern science (and the scientific method) is self-correcting. Not a lot of work being done today in cold-fusion. Too hard to replicate; too many unanswered questions; to little ability to predict the results of future experiments.
:Funny how Creationism is the oldest theory of origins yet it still holds its ground today" This is just sad. 1) Creationism is not the oldest theory of origins.You do understand that there are older religions than Christianity, right? And that almost all religions have their own creation stories? 2) Creationism does not "hold its ground today". It didn't even hold it's ground 120 years ago, when his was all debated and decided. Creationism is a minor religious philosophy popular mainly in the United States during the last 40 years.
"Romans 2 says that those who deny God are willfully ignorant ..." And so it comes to this: you are making a religious argument.
"History is full of theories that we think are ridiculous today (like: the earth is the center of the universe etc.)"
And that theory did not come from science but from a religious view point.
As for atheists reject god.......no, i look at the idea of some supernatural all powerful, all knowing being, deciding one day to create a system, for some reason, maybe he was bored, who knows, whereby how you live determines where you go when you die....and decided, you know what, that is such a load of nonsense, it really is. Its rubbish, its silly and nonsensical. I mean look at the rest of it....why would it take a god 6 days to make everything? why did he have to discover what adam and eve had done, why did he need to doors marked to ensure the wrong first borns were not killed in egypt? etc etc. .....we dont need to deny god because its obvious to anyone with a brain that there is no such thing.
Mr. Nye,
Faiths which profess creationism are in no way denying the advances and observations of science entirely. Neither does science disprove the existence of God. And when the hell did believing in creationism affect voting?! I'm a Christian and I could care less what faith our leaders have as long as they lead the country towards a direction of global prosperity and and peace.
FFS we need less of these atheists spouting out their discontent blaming religion for the woes of the world. I loved watching Bill Nye the Science Guy as a kid; What a pity to see him in this bigoted state.
WELL SAID! just because I don't believe in evolution does NOT mean I don't fully support science education. Ironically, it's the evolutionist gestapo, of which apparently, Mr. Nye is a part of, that refuses any debate of ideas in the one place that should be an arena of ideas: the classroom.
Actually those he's speaking against are those that want to push creationism in public schools where seperation of church and state is supposed to exist. By pushing out evolution for creationism it stumps the future. Nothing is wrong with believe in god and that he had a hand in creating us and the world but its pretty evident he didn't magically create us out of nothing with in 6 days.
So why not be a good Christian and stop lying to kids about how the Earth actually formed and how life evolved? Seriously, I don't care what you think of creationists or atheists, but at least listen to what Bill Nye said because he is right; religion and creationism are holding us back, both educationally and spiritually. The formation of the universe has no horse in the race for your spiritual health so why support lies against it such as creationism?
"And when the hell did believing in creationism affect voting?"
As a scientist it certainly affects my voting. Our elected leaders decide the course of this country and in turn, determine science and research funding and training. If my elected representative, against all evidence and basic reasoning, cannot discern the difference between a theological and deeper question of where and how life began from a proven scientific fact of evolution, simply how species arise from other species, then I don't want him deciding the course of education or scientific funding period.
Debate what? Teachers TEACH – there is NO way to debate Creationism without using a Bible or sounding like a lunatic.
Believing what the evidence tells you, wherever it may lead, is not bigotry. It's called science. Believing without evidence, that's called faith. Believing despite a mountain of contrary evidence, that's called fanaticism. Or insanity.
Uh, where's the bigotry?
"FFS we need less of these atheists spouting out their discontent blaming religion for the woes of the world."
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No, FFS, what we *really* need are less fundamentalists insisting that, if we don't believe what you believe, we're immoral and going to hell. The US is not now, nor has it ever been a theocracy. Your personal beliefs have ZERO bearing on government, and needs to stay that way.
If you want us to keep our politics out of your religion, than ***FFS*** keep your religion out of our politics.
Choke on that!
No it is sad that you grew up and now deny the truth just to allow your childish magical belief system to continue unabated.
DC Buck, if we're going to teach alternatives to evolution in the classroom, why stop there? There are alternatives to the theory that matter on Earth is made up of atoms. There are alternatives to the theory of gravitation. There are alternatives to the round earth theory, for that matter. The fact is, if evolution were false, it would be easy to disprove; instead we have supporting evidence from virtually every field of science. If you don't believe that, educate yourself.
DCBuck gives a prime illustration of this point. Creationism, the idea that God created all living things in their entirety, is not a testable scientific hypothesis, nor should it be. Evolution makes no claim as to whether god is involved or not, He could be. On a simply scientific basis Evolution is simply that species arise from other species. Its not about whether you believe in it. Its fact. This has been proven in a lab and in the field time and time again. God creating Adam and Eve is not a testable and therefore not even a scientific question. It's not that competing ideas shouldn't be debated in the classroom...Creationism and Evolution aren't even competing ideas in the world of science. They address completely different questions and your science teacher shouldn't be teaching you about god's role in the world anymore than the local preacher should be teaching you chemistry.
Creationists don't believe in evolution but in order for their religion to survive, it has to evolve.
If people still believed the literatal wording of the bible it would be a different world today so even the bible has evolved into different interpretations.
One must be open to all beliefs before one can make an informed and educated choice. Let the children choose their own path when they at least can comprehend.
That is my opinion as well. Thank you EJW.
I am a scientist and a christian. I believe that the observations made support a process of change over time that benefit a species. I do not feel that this in any way disproves a creative process. I support teaching evolution and feel it is the best current theory to be taught in our public schools.
@eternalconcept
Do you believe the bible is the word of god?
Except that the changes can be tracked back for a period much longer than the 5 or 6000 years that creationists say is the start of creation
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@eternalconcept
Do you believe the bible is the word of god??
@eternalconcept,
Well said!
I do believe the Bible is the Word of God. I also believe that a great deal of it was explained in a manner that could be understood through the ages and through many cultures. I think the concept of genetics and space would have created false idols and distracted from the One that put those things into place. All I can base my decisions on are my own observations. I have tried to live my life without God and as a scientist that felt I had it all figured out. I spoke down to christians as fools and weak minded people. I laughed at them and felt my educational status justified my arrogance. A life event changed my perspective, I discovered that a relationship with God provided a peace in my life that I needed. I understand that many don't believe me or feel I have been brainwashed. But I have had experiences that they have not, and I have chosen a life that follows Jesus based on my personal experiences with and without Him. There is a great deal about the Bible I don't understand and have issues reconciling, but that does not change the relationship I have experienced.
Eternalconcept,
I'm with you.
I too am a Christian, a scientist and professor at a major medical school outside the USA.
These silly arguments about creationism only exist in the USA.
The bible is the infallible word of God.
Genesis doesn't say God created the world in six consecutive days.
Evolution did happen, and continues to happen all around us.
We had an amazing sermon by a Chemist at my church last year talking about how science doesn't refute God's creation, nor does Creationism refute science.
God set things in motion, and helped it along the the way.
No, I do not think this should be taught in schools, except in religion class.
In the USA believing the world was created 10,000 years ago is a statement of faith. But a misguided one.
It's unfortunate y'all are so intolerant of one another.
Could both theories be true? http://www.arkofmillionsofyears.com/index.htm check it out. This is interesting.
'Could both theories be true?'
no
First, creationism is not a Scientific Theory, so in that respect, no.
However, if you are asking whether God could have had a hand in creating the universe or "guiding" evolution, then the answer is, we don't know.
The Theory of Evolution does not require divine intervention, but cannot "prove" no involvement whatsoever.
That being said, the 'room for God to operate in' gets smaller every day.
I see it as evolution guided by God. I'm a graduate student in Bioinformatics; I study the mathematical rules of biological systems. I'm also a Christian.
In my field we have what we regard as "Nature's Energy Function". It's the absolute function that explains everything that happens biologically. It's also impossible to understand, it is too complex. What we have instead are our own energy functions that approximate nature's. It's in this unobtainable energy function that I see God in the math.
There's a term in creationism: Irreducible complexity. It's the idea that systems are too complex to have arisen randomly. I will give them that, completely randomly, unguided system may never achieve the complexity we see in biology. But this idea ignores the underlying rules of these systems. It's only the molecular "decisions" that are random, not the rules which they must obey. Saying that everything was made they way they are now because it could not have arisen from a base system on its own is too simple. It puts God in a box. God does not belong in a box, because He can do anything He wants. He is beyond our understanding. Don't put God in a box by using religion as the simple explanation for the world.
You said it – Irreducible complexity is a term used by creationists NOT scientists
Gawd cannot do everything:
He/she/it cannot create the universe in less than 6 days
He/she/it cannot know what I will do with my free will
IF He/she/it knows what I will do with my free will, then they are a liar for telling us we have free will, ergo they are a liar.
He/she/it cannot reveal themselves to science
He/she/it cannot show us how Satan actually is a good guy since he persecutes and tortures evil persons for all eternity, this makes him a good guy.
He/she/it cannot just show is fugging face and tell us the truth because there is no such thing as a gawd. It is a simplistic notion, sort of like the shortcut you said you take in your bioinformatics, and do not learn the actual formula for the truth, you take a shortcut, you own logic. Well that is religion. It allows people to shortcircuit the beauty of structure of the brain that forces everything into comparisons against the known. And that is the basis of science. The mental midgets such as yourself show that you cannot handle the beauty that is the brain/mind and how if allowed to further itself would eventually show all truths. You have instead, rely on your own self-egrandized experiences, which cannot be replicted (non-scientific) and therefore try to force everyone else to believe you based on nothing more than your single, solitary experience. Never, I will never believe that which I cannot reporduce. And humanit should not either. I have brought my children up with no religion and hav told them that they should enjoy the freedom that having no overlord, be it gawd, priest or clergy to tell them any of their sh|t they will appreciate this freedom when they are in the 20's. And now my 20 yo is very much appreciating the FREEDOM that we have provided him. The Freedom from the American Taliban and their sick mentally perverted way of thinking about reality. Sick MOFOS.
And while you're at it, Bill, remind the LDS church that there were no tablets in 19th century upstate New York, either.
Evolution is a fact. You can think it is guided by the hand of god or not but it is occurring .
For Bill Nye to suggest that because someone believes in creationism that they cannot be proper engineers, voters, or taxpayers is completely ridiculous. The war on Christianity gets worse everyday, yet the forced acceptance of the non-Christian religions is shoved down our throats daily. How about everyone just believes what they believe without telling everybody else not to? Is that really so hard? If you want to believe you came from an Ape, or muck or whatever, good luck to you. If I choose to believe God formed me, fearfully and wonderfully to fulfill his purpose on Earth then leave me alone.
Another deluded " war on Christianity " poster – why do modern faux Christians leap at every opportunity, no matter how tenuous the connection,. to wrap themselves in the mantle of victim hood ?
He said creationists not christians. They is a differance.
"There is" Not "They" lol.
If only christians abided by your philosophy of not shoving it down other peoples throats
Try reading his post again, slowly....
Anyone that believes the Earth is only 6-10k years old is a person with serious issues. It would be enough for me to doubt anything they say and question anything they do.
My post was directed towards L in referance to whom Bill Nye was speaking of.
Greetings from the other end of the bell curve, how is the view down there?
"How about everyone just believes what they believe without telling everybody else not to? Is that really so hard?"
you lot start first, stop trying to dictate how other people live their lives and we will be just fine.
Creationists view is quite distorted. Science is real folks, not trickery. Conversly, matter and energy must be created and God did so and the law of physics and science are real. The atheist view holds the ideas of the crazy and arrogant just as the creationist.
Explain why god must have done it and why atheists are as crazy as creationists.
His proof must be that the bible says so. I mean, after all isn't that all the proof required?
I'm just waiting to see what the Hadron Collider has to say on all this.
what has that got to do with anything?