August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET
Bill Nye slams creationism
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."
"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.
Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."
"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.
Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.
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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.
For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.
During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins
"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.
"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.
Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.
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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.
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If you don't believe in evolution/the scientific understandings of the beginnings of the universe then the only reasonable explanations as to why your computer and so on works are that its witchcraft and wizardry. Which I think makes you a heretic if I'm not mistaken. Because the same scientific tools used to analyze circuitry and so on are used to analyze "creation". Physics is the same everywhere. Also, capitalism is drawn heavily from darwinism so I'm assuming all of these creationists have communistic tendencies.
Great video. How people can dn evolution is beyond me. You can still follow the ten commandments and the teachings of Jesus and believe in evolution.
You can and some do, but to deny what God created or how the Bible states it happened is a sin in itself and is to blaspheme God.
Make you a deal...throw out four of them:
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me."
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Toss those out, and I'm all in favor of it.
Says who and where? You are a zealot and have just missed the whole point. To deny evolution is to show your ignorance.
To keep saying...this is fact, this is fact does not help prove that you have a proven scientific method. I bring to the table actual scientific method approach without screaming this is fact. Check it out for yourself... http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/
If God is so great why did he not do any quality assurance testing on his creations.
Because who needs quality assurance when you have an incredible insurance plan
That's why he invented natural selection. Creative force and quality control, rolled into one.
Actually it is because God is a man and not a woman.
Hey LinCA (I bet the CA stands for California!) It figures.
So let me TRY to understand your logic. Teaching creationism which you claim is not real "causes harm". But you also say its ok to teach about the Tooth Fairy. Doesn't that cause harm too? Silly argument is yours.
What school teaches about the Tooth Fairry?
I can say both creationism and the tooth fairy are not real but one denies science and fact he other is just good fun for kids. Grow up and learn what the bible teaches, creationism is a joke.
To teach that the tooth fairy is absolute truth consistently into adulthood? Yeah... that IS messed up...
People outgrow the tooth fairy and are encouraged to do so around age 10 if not before. The make-believe creation story is maintained as real throughout life. So, no, the tooth fairy myth is not harmful. The creation story is, because it is nothing but magical thinking that detracts from empirical reality.
"Me" - The problem isn't with teaching about Creationism, but with teaching it AS SCIENCE, which it is not. If we taught kids the "tooth fairy theory" in science class, AS SCIENCE, that would definitely NOT be okay. But no harm is done by teaching kids that some people used to think there was a tooth fairy but most of them eventually figured out that it was really their parents. Similarly, there would be no harm done by teaching them that some people believe the world was created by an all-powerful superbeing despite there being no evidence for it.
We don't like seeing creationism being described as having the same scientific validity as evolution, when in fact it has no scientific validity at all. In much the same way that most Christians would not like to see their pastors discuss "tooth fairy theory" as being a possible path to salvation that's just as good as accepting christ. Teaching creation "as science" weakens real science rest of science in the same way that teaching Tooth Fairy Theory "as religion" would weaken serious religious philosophy.
Why so jaded? evolution is a lie...don't believe the lie. Reason says you cannot begin with nothing, thus it remains it is something super natural. Believe what you like but no one holds a monopoly on God. It is what it is, I can't remove that for you
So what created God and where did God get the stuff to create us?
You are a lost cause.
Who is "beginning with nothing?" Certainly not any scientists or atheists. They begin with "I don't know how it started, but what we do know is..." That's not "nothing." And by the way, where did your god come from if everything has to come from something?
Reason says that light can't be both a particle and a wave, too. Reason says that you can't take the square root of minus one. Reason says that an object that's twice as heavy as another falls twice as fast.
All of these things that "reason" says are wrong, which is why we should do what Galileo did, and see how the world REALLY works, rather than the way Aristotle approached it, which was to simply think about how things SHOULD work.
That concludes today's lesson, Aristotle.
— your friend, Galileo
There is a huge amount of proof for evolution and absolutely no proof for creationism. Why would a sane, reasonable person believe in creationism?
Sure, just disregard the huge amount of evidence for evolution and believe a book that there is no evidence that any of the stories in it are true.
While I agree with Mr. Nye about the theory of evolution – we Catholics have no problem with, doctrinally – if I were him I would be less concerned with the infinitesimally small number of fundamentalist children affected thus by their upbringing and more with the failed state of American education that fails to produce STEM candidates, and an economy that couldn't employ them if they were extant. Both are in whole or major part, the fault of the revisionist education dogma of the so-called progressive left which abandoned rote learning, core curricula, and classics for outcome-based propagandizing about the 'victims' of Western civilization. A left wing the perpetuation of whose influence he apparently supports.....
Right! Like the alleged No Child Left Behind (iow, No Drop Of Oil Left Behind) was worth a $H|+ in promoting education.
You my friend do not speak for all Catholics, especially myself. That is assuming you are Catholic and not an imposter. The official position of the church is to not get into the scientific details because science can have opinions and be left open-ended where-as God's truth is resolute and is infallible.
INFALLIBLE? Like the pope? HA HA HA! Was the pope "infallible" before the infallibility doctrine? HA HA HA!
Ummmmm...Noah...try reading what I wrote. Then tell me where the Catholic Church vehemently opposes teaching the theory of evolution as do certain fundamentalist Protestant sects( I learned details of it in Catholic schools, taught by real nuns and brothers)?
Do you really believe Bishop Ussher's (NOT a Catholic, BTW) interpretation of the Bible, and his 6,000 year creation chronology? If you do, sir, the it's you that are the Catholic imposter....
Hey Zeus (someone about whom schoolchildren today no nothing because, y'know dude, ancient Greeks were misogynists)...I don't claim Bush or the statist NCLB legislation which he passed to please Laura, or the Iraq war, which he caused to please Poppy, or his Prescription Drug Bennie which he passed to buy senior votes.
Now let's see you diss your Messiah....moron.
If humans are the result of so-called "intelligent design" then why do we have too little room on our jawbones to accommodate wisdom teeth (unless this alleged "god" intended our teeth to rot out since we're not supposed to have learned science, and therefore that the presence of bacteria plus acids are a bad environment for tooth enamel), and that so many of us are near-sighted, and that women can have FACIAL HAIR (is that a cruel joke?), not to mention all the unspeakable congenital defects that can utterly RUIN a person's life (like if they have to be conjoined to an only partially separated twin embryo, or with legs fused together, or with auto-immune deficiency....the list is enormous!) FVVKIN Creationist RETARDS!
Agree and really its not worth arguing about it with them. Religion will eventually fade away, it's a natural evolutionary step in human development and thankfully we are headed in that direction.
why are our eyes not on our butts, or why do our feet point in front of us instead of behind, because those unfortunate ones did not make it through the "survival"?, with all the trillions of possible combos there should be billions of fossils everywhere, yet even the leading scientists had to forge bones they found.
Firstly, there's plenty of fossil evidence. Secondly, we have genetics that prove evolution a million times over without any fossils anywhere. Go get some education and prove evolution wrong. LOL
No matter what anybody says to you. You will believe what you want. At the end of my life if I believe the bible and there is nothing at the end but a hole in the ground and your right. Then all I have done is live the kind of life I wanted to live. What happens if I am right and the bible is true ? Before you just blow it off, be brave enough to think about it for 1 whole minute.
No actually, there WOULDN'T be fossils everywhere because fossil formation requires such specific and rare conditions to occur. Read Richard Dawkins, "The Blind Watchmaker"
so, if God created humans, they would all be perfectly formed, experience absolutely no health problems of any kind, and either live forever, or evaporate into thin air upon reaching their 100th birthday?
We live in a fallen world, pain, death and sickness are are unfortunate realities. Read the bible.
Garry R. Who gives a $h|+ about your stupid bible? Did the Native Americans (just for one example) have a chance? Since they lived for a whole 15 centuries over here AFTER Jeebus' lifetime on this land that was completely unknown to anyone over in the Middle East. And what about EVERYONE on the fvkking planet BEFORE Jeebus? No chance for them either! DOLT!
What a stupid and sadistic god to create a universe so easily fallible. Idiot.
FVK U Chad! Your only response has to incorporate biblical BS! "We are (allegedly) fallen, which must explain why we are not perfect....Gee, there has to be a reason...a purpose....for everything....because...gee...i just know my "god" would not do this for a mere prank"
Relax Zeus! no need to swear at anybody. What doesnt make sense to me is how we as humans are made from chimpanzees! seriously!?! How can somebody believe that? Bill Nye is just worried about his reputation and that is why he is slamming creationism. He himself knows that evolution is just a big theory and no evidence (other than a human evolving from a chimpanzee picture, and that we have similar bone structure) If i told you that we were originally from pigs would you believe that? because in school they dissect pigs because they are the closest you can get to the human body (organ wise)
Your anger shows you are feeling threatened.
why do you feel that way?
Chad your response is completely without merit because your lame-@$$ bible doesn't specifically mention a time when mankind existed without these SPECIFIC ailments. Show me chapter and verse where it says all of man's teeth used to fit perfectly on his jawbone, and that man always used to have 20/20 vision, etc., and then we may be able to talk further.
@G. Zeus Kreiszchte "Show me chapter and verse where it says all of man's teeth used to fit perfectly on his jawbone, and that man always used to have 20/20 vision, etc., and then we may be able to talk further."
"31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning —the sixth day. Genesis 1
Before the fall, that was the case.
Chad you're such an IDIOT! I knew you would respond with some meaningless jibberish like that! What do you not understand about my request for SPECIFIC lines that point to those SPECIFIC ailments? If there are no such lines in the bible (there aren't) then you have absolutely no argument to make. Oh gee, once upon a time, an uneducated Jewish goatherd decided that he needed to make up a story to explain away all of man's problems. So sure, he'd say 'Once upon a time there was a god who created everything and everything was good.....until one day when man pi$$ed him off and then....'
You are SO gullible, dolt!
50% of people are below average...
More like 90%.
Depends on how you define "average". For example, a whopping large percentage of American households are below the MEAN household income, but exactly half are below the MEDIAN.
Actually, it is just less than 50%. The measurement dependent on the size of the population. Your incorrect claim suggests that you may in that lower almost half.
99% of percentages supplied on message forums are false – this percentage being the 1% that is true.
"Rational Libertarian" think about what you said and what you responded to. geenabeana was actually making a rational (read: logical) statement.
Well, another evolutionist that can't stand the thought that more people still believe in the bible and creation. That being said, the fact that Bill Nye thinks that if you believe in the creation then you can't be a quote " scientifically literate voter ". Yes. the person being voted for by these individuals probably does have the right scientific markings like, no God, abortion on demand no matter how late in term, good in business and stealing (er) expropriating for personal gain, cheating on your mate, etc,etc. 2nd. Is that you actually believe that an engineer that believes in creation will not be as good at building stuff and solving problems as one who does not. I am very surprised to see such prejudice like this from such a high evolutionary species such as you.The scariest thing is that you have the gaul to tell parents what and what not to teach their kids. The fact is, is that you are afraid that a creationalist scientist will make to much of a mark in their field that people will start looking to them for answers instead of the drival that you put in this video.
Not one much for speeling arr ewe?
"abortion on demand no matter how late in term"
VERY few people support that. Totally Irrelevent. Try to stick to the topic.
No more gall than our children being told who they can and cannot marry...
Is it your assertion that only those who believe in evolution cheat on their spouses, steal, etc?
We are trying to be an evolved species, it is because of those who are stuck in the dark ages that we are still stuck here arguing about this.
It's fascinating to study the true story of genesis. In short, the major stories of the Bible may simply be the monotheistic versions of popular ancient myths. And that doesn't mean they're "false". It just means that they are divinely inspired fables that ancient people could understand. For example, there are flood stories all over the world. But in the Bible version, Noah is saved because he is a "righteous" man. So people learn the value of being good. I've heard that in other ancient flood stories, people were saved for other less noble reasons. It is also interesting to note that ancient Sumeria, which is considered to be the first "civilization" began around 6,000 years ago. So one may learn that the Bible thinks civilization was the beginning of the modern human. That's also why many Genesis stories are centered in that area. The "garden of Eden" was in mesopotamia where Sumeria was.
If the Bible started out with a scientific description of the "Big Bang" it would have been useless and confusing to 99% of humanity between the time of the Bible's writing and today.
800 years ago, the legendary Maimonides taught that religion and science must be compatible. If science proves a point, you must change your interpretation of the Bible because both come from God. And he did not say this to defend religion, he said it to get people to accept science. As a result of this type of thinking, most non-fundamentalist Rabbis have been taught a non-literal understanding of Genesis for many decades. I really wish others would follow this example. Fundamentalists make it too easy for athiests to paint all believers as rediculous.
The Big Bang is confusing to 99% of people now. God is a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
This is why religion and science are compatible. You just stated it yourself. The bible was written with the audience in mind. If you tried to explain the big bang and evolution to a bunch of copper age people, then they would look at you sideways. So, it was written as "let there be light" and "god created animals, man and the earth", etc. etc. If it was written today, it might have more of a science slant to it. Ie... "God created the Higgs boson and Higgs field in order to form matter".. ".. The big bang was the beginning of all things.." " .. Gravity and time are related.".. etc.
It looks like Rational Libertarian has repeated the mantra "God is a flying spaghetti monster" for so long that he's actually starting to believe it.....
To Bill Nye, you've got balls! It is nice to see someone is being truthful to the public instead of spewing out nice words to keep people happy.
hinduism, absurdity, he is in hinduism, denial of truth, not need to make him truthful in hinduism, ignorance.
There is no argument and should not be one. You either believe in God or you don't! It takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to believe in Creationism because of one simple fact not one of you were there so who is right!
Actually, speciation has been shown in lab experiments. You can repeat them if you like.
Faith in truth absolute, foundation of existence in understanding or hinduism, denial of truth absolute in hinduism, ignorance.
Of course "we are there"... there are current examples of evolution happening right now. Bacterial drug resistance. New flu strains every year. etc. etc. you just have to look for them with a rational mind.
So What! You don't believe in God and you can't take over my mind and I don't want yours! You stay out of my business and I will stay out of yours!
Why God, WHY did you forget to clean up that pesky fossil record???
You could have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids and their dog!
What, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what science is. Science looks at the world and, through its prior theories and new theories, comes up with explanations for how things are the way that they are. It is a given that some of these explanations may be wrong or incomplete. One of the exciting things for a scientist is the discovery of new information that casts doubt on a previous theory. There's something new to understand! On the other hand, belief is simply belief – accepting something as true without an explanation based in fact.
There is no effort involve in belief. You just decide to accept something because ... well, just because. Don't equate it with science. There is no comparison.
What, you have chosen to get into the business of many people by posting on this topic. Don't get so high and mighty now. You brought it.
Um, it doesn't take faith or belief to design experiments to test a hypothesis, observe results of said experiments and say that these facts fit the hypothesis. Science is not based on belief or faith. It is based on facts. You come up with something with no facts behind it and you will be laughed out of your field. Creationism has no facts, only faith. It needs to stay out of science education.
What amazes me about you liberals is your insistence on no God but when the tracks of evolution show up in your world you ask where God is but you fail to acknowledge the true result of your evolution is the very thing that generates violence among men, earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, solar flares and hurricanes. The violent nature of man is the direct result of mans evolution and it will not go away and for sure not in any of your lifetimes! Tyranny, oppression and injustice are the nature of man. WE WILL ALWAYS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEAK IN SOME DEGREE OR ANOTHER! The strongest will dominate the weakest be it for a vote or money, land or political power. Do you really think a congressman will spend millions of dollars on a campaign for a job that only pays 200K a year? Do you think a drug dealer or gang banger is doing what they do just to make money? These people think that you are weak and can be dominated! You minions are just pawns in a great big chess game moved to influence and positioned to maximize power for the real power brokers that could care less what color you are or what you believe. You squabble about unimportant things while avoiding the truth! You are the lower rung of the evolutionary ladder squabbling on a web site about things you think is complicated but are plain and simple! You are nothing and your opinion means nothing and will change nothing because you are not the top evolutionary proverbial dog or God! You belief in creation or evolution means nothing if you will not believe it until the end! How big a boy are you will you stand with your beliefs and deal with the result of your choice or flip flop like a fish out of water hoping to get back into the water?
Mr. Bill, Mr. Bill, Faith is believing in something you can't see, I can't see the wind but I can tell it's there. That is the same thing with God, can't see Him, but I know He's there.
Unless you can form a disprovable test, it is not real. First form a hypothesis, then find tests that can disprove your hypothesis. If you can not find a way to disprove it, it can not become a theory. If you test your hypothesis many times and can't disprove it, it becomes a theory.
Wind is scientifically detectable.
It's so NOT the same thing it's hard to believe someone capable of logging into a computer could make that argument. You can measure the wind and observe its effects in so many ways. To date no one can say the same of God. Faith is the belief in something despite the lack of evidence. There is ample evidence for the wind, and precious little for God.
You write as if your only sense is vision. What, can you not FEEL the wind? Can you not HEAR it? Can you not observe its EFFECTS?
And have you never heard of microscopes and telescopes?
You see the trees bending, and tumbleweed tumbling, so you know it's a windy day, even tho you can't see the wind. I see the fossil record, so I know evolution actually happened.
Flat out wrong, wind can be detected using other senses. Your god can't be detected at all. The analogy you used is one of the worst that a silly christian can use.
I can't see a fart but I know its there also.
Science proves that a fart is there and made up of methane gas.
Religion has no proof whatsoever. Its an unproven fart.
No, it is completely different. You cannot 'see' the wind only because oxygen and nitrogen are colorless. You can still 'detect' the wind, and even create it in a lab. We have thorough, natural explanations of how wind occurs. None of this is true for gods.
No, faith is believing in something without evidence. We know wind exists because of the evidence. Whether it's reported in knots, miles or kilometers per hour, we can measure the wind as it is happening and whether or not it is windy at any given location and time is not as questionable as the existence of an all-powerful creator. Not only can we measure wind as it is happening, meteorologists, oceanographers, and other people who study this stuff can use what we know about wind to make predictions.
Not only can we use science and resulting technology to measure the force generated by the wind and the components of the air in the wind, we can predict where the wind is going to be and generate the same force of wind in a lab, right up to hurricane strength winds. We can take advantage of out understanding of wind and air and gravity with airplanes, balloons, etc. What has your god done that's measurable?
How do you explain different flu strains every year? How do you explain bacteria becoming resistant to drugs? Evolution... There are so many examples of it in the fossil records and current species living on this planet that it can no longer be called a theory but a scientific fact. My god, what about the fossils??? Dinosaur fossils millions of years old dug out of the desert.. how can any rational person dismiss these things?
What drive bacteria, have they answered by their hinduism, ignorance.
I find that people aren't educated about what evolution is. They confuse it with an explanation for the universe and a replacement for their God, and attack it as such. Or they think it's all about humans born from monkeys or some nonsense. Sometimes miseducation is more dangerous than total lack of education.
I think what Mr. Nye has an issue with is the idea of Creationism that believes that ALL things are created by God and leaves no room for science.
As a "progressive" Christian I, and many of my friends who are younger in age (40 and under) believe in a world where God did "get the ball rolling" on creation, but left the natural evolution of species to also take place.
I believe that the universe is billions of years old, like scientists tell us, and I also believe that God could have very well created it all.
What bothers me the most, as a Christian, is this idea of "one size fits all". That evolutionists believe that if you believe that a god created the earth then you therefore reject all forms of science. While that may be true for older generations, it is not true for mine. We wholly accept science and the amazing leaps we as a species have made in it in the past 10 centuries or so. I am as fascinated with science as most people.
One thing that many Christians get hung up on is the idea of evolution as a belief that we all developed from single celled organisms and that our genetic map split from apes and etc. While this is part of it, evolution is so much more. It is like another person said, different flu strains. It's the reason the common cold is still a pain in our butt. It's also why some marine animals that live on the bottom of the ocean don't have eyes, or use bacteria within themselves to create light. Over thousands of years they have "evolved" to disregard the biological elements they don't need, and to hone the ones they do.
Simply put, Creationism has been "hijacked" by people who I as a Christian consider ignorant. The God I believe in didn't create the earth in 6 literal days. He may have created Adam and Eve, but if he did who is to say that they looked remotely like us? For all we know, they may have been "the missing link". Evolution is real. We experience it every day. Though just because animals and bacteria/viral organisms evolve doesn't mean that people that choose to have belief in a higher power are wrong, or dangerous. There is room enough in the Bible to allow for both sides and for them to live rather harmoniously.
Brendan- where do you get morals?
the same place other mammals get them who act better to each other than humans do.
Morality defined as altruism, is easily explainable as an evolved trait.
You don't need religion to be a "moral" person. I'm an agnostic and treat people very well and live a decent life. This is one of the biggest lies religious people spew is the false connection between religion and "morals". Hitler was a Catholic and the church supported the Nazi's.. was he a moral person?
Prairie dogs have "morals" – they have sentry's who will sound an alarm even at risk to their own lives. Morals are a construct which was passed down through the generations because it conferred a reproductive advantage on a species that required social organization to survive.
Fact: " Where do you get morals?"
We get them from logic and reason, cause and effect, natural consequences, and empathy - certainly not from your Bible, with its condoning of slavery, r'ape and genocide; its subjugation of women; its god who tortures a human because of a bet with "Satan" and who sets up an eternal torture chamber for those who don't buy into its phony fantasies and superst'itions.
Moby Schtk, you are such a clever fellow! You deserve that binky!
Almost half of America believes in creationism? That's so god damn sad...put the bibles down people. Evolution is a fact.
Evolution is not a fact.
Evolution is a fact and a theory. Organisms change over time (evolve) is a fact. The theory of evolution by natural selection is a beautiful explanation for the diversity of life based on observable facts. Creationism is based on faith, not fact. Science is about facts. Therefore, creationism needs to get out of the business of science and stay in church.
Actually, evolution like gravity is both a fact and a theory. It is a fact because it is easily observable. The theory comes in when we try to explain it.
An F14 navigation system is huge compared to that of a monarch butterflies. Human technology has a long way to go before evening trying to match what God created. Look at all of the technologies we have that we can relate back to natural process found in common nature. God loves science, because He's the one who invented it. People can choose to use it for good or evil, because God gave us free will.
Free will and an omniscient being. An amusing if obviously impossible combination.
Not impossible, but probable based on scientific evidence that was leftover in the fossils from Noah's flood around the world. Why else would there be such uniformity of fossils? You'll find that the smallest, slowest creatures were buried first, followed gradually by larger animals that were capable of escaping to higher land before becoming buried and fossilizing or turning into coal. Your theory doesn't account for the amount of coal and fossil fuel found in any part of the world.
Noah, and things that float buried alongside things that sink throughout the fossil record. So much for your laughable theory.
Noah, do some research. A global flood did not, could not have happened. Impossible. Look this stuff up. I have faith in you.
Actually I've done more research that you, as I've provided a source... read it and weap! http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/
Religion is what is required by those that do not have the strengthen of character to to stand on their own two feet, admit that they are not special and still live a moral life.
Discussion is moot. Every year there are less creationist in America. It is inevitable that evolutionist will be in the majority in the coming generations and that is what scares the bible thumpers more than anything else being discussed today.
Deep down each and everyone one of you know its true and there is nothing to be done about it.
This is an untrue statement. Look at Gallup polls for the trend over the past 30 years! More people favor creationism. You need to get your facts straight. Your theory of evolution is still just that, an unproven theory.
Noah, and your statement shows just how totally ignorant you are of science. Par for the course for creationists.
Sadly Noah's right (the first part of his statement, anyway). Creationism and religious/political extremism is on the rise in this country, which really makes me afraid for our future.