August 28th, 2012
11:53 AM ET

Dolan to pray at Democratic National Convention

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–-Cardinal Timothy Dolan has accepted an invitation to give the closing prayer at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina, next week, which will also feature a nun in a speaking role.

Dolan, the archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, also will give the closing benediction at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida, on Thursday.

When he accepted that invitation, Dolan said his appearance would be prayerful, not political, a sentiment reiterated by his spokesman in announcing his appearance at the DNC.

"It was made clear to the Democratic Convention organizers, as it was to the Republicans, that the Cardinal was coming solely as a pastor, only to pray, not to endorse any party, platform, or candidate," cardinal spokesman Joseph Zwilling said.

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A nun who has been critical of the Republicans' federal budget will also have a speaking role at the Democratic convention, a source with the President Barack Obama's re-election campaign said Tuesday.

Sister Simone Campbell, the executive director of a social justice group NETWORK, who helped lead a recent "nuns on the bus tour" against Rep. Paul Ryan's federal budget, will speak, the source said.

Ryan is presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney's running mate.

Stephanie Niedringhaus, a spokeswoman at NETWORK, said that Campbell would speak next Wednesday and that she was out of the country and unavailable for comment.

Cardinal Dolan to offer closing prayer at Republican Convention

The Vatican has been critical of American nuns recently, alleging that they have not focused enough on hot-button social issues and that they have given a platform for radical feminism at conferences.

Typically, a local bishop would speak at a convention like this. Zwilling said that Dolan "consulted Bishop Peter Jugis of the Diocese of Charlotte, who gave the Cardinal his consent to take part in the convention that will be taking place in his diocese."

Dolan's diocese is one of many in the midst of a lawsuit against the Obama administration over a Department of Health and Human Services mandate that forces employers to pay for contraceptives coverage for their employees. While churches and select other religious organizations are exempt, not all religiously affiliated groups are, and that has riled many religious groups that oppose contraceptives on religious grounds.

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Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Bishops • Catholic Church • Church and state • Mitt Romney

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  1. GoldenChild

    Will Cardinal Dolan's prayers get him into heaven like Mr. Romney's will?

    August 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  2. HeavenSense

    See the magic

    When you look at different religions, they usually contain "magic." For example:

    • The Mormon religion contains the magical golden plates, the magical angel, the magical seer stones, the magical ascension of the plates into heaven, etc.

    • The Muslim faith contains the magical angel, the magical flying horse, the magical voices, the magical prophet, etc.

    • The Christian faith contains the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on.

    The presence of "magic" is a clear marker for "imaginary." For example, how do we know that Santa is imaginary?

    Because (among other things) he has eight magical flying reindeer. How do we know that Jack and the Beanstalk is a fairy tale? Because (among other things) the story contains magical seeds. In the same way, how do we know that God is make believe? Because God is surrounded by magic.

    According to believers, God is an all-powerful being who has the divine, magical power to do anything. How do we know that this belief is a fairy tale? One way to know is to try to invoke God's magical power. For example, the Bible tells us in many places that God answers prayers. However, whenever we try to pray, we notice that nothing happens. That tells us that God is completely imaginary. The magical powers ascribed to him are a fairy tale.

    Another way to know is to read the stories of magical events in the Bible. There is the magical flood, yet we know with certainty that the flood never happened. There are the magical miracles of Jesus, but (predictably) none of these miracles left behind any tangible evidence. There is the magical resurrection, yet there is zero evidence that it ever occurred and no reason to believe it.

    God is identical to Leprechauns, mermaids and Santa. God is a magical fairy tale creature. The magic surrounding God tells us that God is imaginary.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Jorge

      Perhaps, when reading ancient texts, its is reasonable to to see it literally and figuratively. When figuratively, its good to find the meaning in regards to the context of the story.

      Example: Jesus feeding thousands with less then ten fish. Literally, he took the fish, divided them through an act of god (because he actually loved the people through and through and was given the ability to feed them with any amount of food. a miracle for us, but maybe not to a world full of compassionate people). Possible? I like to think it is for those who can.
      Now lets say he only handed out small bits of fish to the groups (they were split into groups of like 50 or something, why?....) and a couple things could have happened. First man has smalll bits, and only takes the tiniest bite so the others can nibble to (because the person actually cared in the moment), and the next few people did this, then one person, who had fish on them the whole time, but didnt want to share with thousands (thinking it wouldnt make a dent in the hunger), but feels others can take bigger nibbles with a little more fish, and gets it out. Others who had harbored food may do the same down the line after seeing that, and before you know it, every group has eaten, and there is even more food left over then there was when they first started.

      To me, both can be true, because both are in the context of the story, which is about a loving god and people.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • J.Vance

      Why mock that which you obviously don't understand.?

      August 29, 2012 at 11:29 am |
  3. Comparative Mythology 101

    Horus: Egyptian, 6000 BC
    Dionysus: Greek, 1500 BC
    Attis: Greek, 1200 BC
    Mithra: Zoroastrian, 600 BC
    Krishna: Hindu, 400 BC
    Jesus: Christian, 30 AD
    A) Born on Dec. 25 – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus (by way of plagiarizing a Pagan holiday)
    B) Virgin Birth – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
    C) Sign of Star in the East – Horus, Krishna, Jesus
    D) Adorned by 3 Kings – Horus, Jesus
    E) Teacher at age 12 – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
    F) Ministry started at 30 – Horus, Jesus
    G) 12 Disciples – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
    H) Traveled with Disciples Performing Miracles – Horus, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
    I) AKA The Truth, the Light, God’s Shepherd – Horus, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
    J) Betrayed – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
    K) Crucified – Horus, Attis, Mithra, Jesus
    L) Buried 3 days – Horus, Attis, Mithra, Jesus
    M) Resurrected – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus

    August 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Jorge

      How many spoke against violence of any kind? Or talked about how we should be merciful to even our own perpetrators? Just wonderin

      August 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Ned

      you forgot some

      N) Died for man's sin- Jesus
      O) Showed unconditional love to everyone- Jesus
      P) Promised Everlasting Life- Jesus

      Yeah the other gods suck. GO JESUS!

      August 28, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Pam the ham what am likes spam to look glam

      Ned, you forgot one.
      Eons long p'i's's'e'd' off daddy, who could not say, "I forgive you", but instead to his own son, said "go die, so I will be satisfied" ...

      August 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  4. The Illinois Enemy Bandit

    A human walks by a worm and does not notice it. Even if the human does notice it, the two have no way to communicate. In fact there is a strong possibility that IF the human notices the worm, the worm will become fish food or a stain on the sidewalk.

    A human walks by a worm but the worm does not even recognize the human’s presence. Two different universes occupying the same space.

    Humans and worms share 98% DNA.

    In the 2% that is different, we are rendered completely alien to each other.

    Consider how this might affect other forms of life on other planets, aliens, even “God” relative to our meager faculties to perceive them...

    August 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Jorge

      If there is something that can think past the boundaries of terms like 'everything' and 'nothing', then I certainly would like to know. Is there something more then everything? or less then nothing? If there is, I will call is 'x'. So even I have a term for something that even defies our logic.

      I feel very close to the Thing that may have made all this (I can think it, so why not?). Perhaps the worm feels the same of me.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  5. Jorge

    To everyone here has posted about the 'reality' of god, perhaps we should say is may or may not have been real (i.e, virgin birth, miracles, etc.) solely on the fact that we can neither prove, nor disprove such things. The people who would like to disprove believe in many things that cannot be proven (most everything except numbers), so everyone has faith in the unseen, so why not believe in something that comes from a compassionate heart?

    As for the actual article, I hope the Cardinal says something about war. If there is anything more against the ideals of the one called Jesus, its violence against a living thing, good or bad or whatever. Many examples of caring for enemies, and turning cheeks, etc., go against everything a gov't of this world holds dear, ie...a standing army, ready to kill.

    Id like to say more, but this is just a comment.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  6. The Illinois Enemy Bandit

    A human walks by a worm and does not notice it. Even if the human does notice it, the two have no way to communicate. In fact there is a strong possibility that IF the human notices the worm, the worm will become fish food or a stain on the sidewalk.
    A human walks by a worm but the worm does not even recognize the human’s presence. Two different universes occupying the same space.
    Humans and worms share 98% DNA.
    In the 2% that is different, we are rendered completely alien to each other.
    Consider how this might affect other forms of life on other planets, aliens, even “God” relative to our meager faculties to perceive them.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Jorge

      If there is a creator, then I must be close to it, because I have a term for 'everything' and 'nothing'. Is there something more then 'everything' thats out there? or less then 'nothing'? Thats like saying 1+1= something other then 2. Logically impossible. And if there is something more or less, I will call it 'X'. There, now I have a symbol for that.

      I believe there is nothing more alien then us, unless they have more then everything, or less then nothing in mind.

      The worm totally moved when I went to touch it too.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  7. The Central Scrutinizer

    Heaven is a place in Hell.
    A place where Angels and Demons dwell.
    The bell rings, the Devil Swings and on God’s throne he begins to dwell.
    Looking through space and time the duality of the immortals shine.
    The singing begins and the song is one of the infinite.
    Universes are sung, Galaxies too.
    Stars and planet, me and you.
    But we can hear the singing not.
    For we are here on this planet caught.
    The web we weave to cry and deceive.
    Robs us of our own immortal lot.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Jorge

      Heaven, yes. Hell, made by man, so they can imagine a place where those they hate can be hurt.

      A loving god has no hell in mind. Only ways of getting better and more loving. If hell is to see your actions and the real pains and can make you feel guilt (even you dont want to), and this is the worst pain (much worse then anything physical), then hell is a place to start to get better. Seeing what is wrong, feeling it, and moving toward what is right.

      Only heavenly type things are eternal, everything else is in the act of getting there

      August 28, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  8. Big Dude

    Fun with NT contradictions

    Since the prophecies in their original context, did not refer to Jesus, why did Matthew include them in his gospel? There are two possibilities:
    1. The church says that the words had a hidden future context as well as the original context, ie, God was keeping very important secrets from His chosen people.
    2. Matthew, in his zeal to prove that Jesus was the Messiah, searched the Old Testament for pa.s.sages (sometimes just phrases) that could be construed as messianic prophecies and then created or modified events in Jesus' life to fulfill those "prophecies."
    Fortunately for those who really want to know the truth, Matthew made a colossal blunder later in his gospel which leaves no doubt at all as to which of the above possibilities is true. His blunder involves what is known as Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem riding on a donkey (if you believe Mark, Luke or John) or riding on two donkeys (if you believe Matthew). In Matthew 21:1-7, two animals are mentioned in three of the verses, so this cannot be explained away as a copying error. And Matthew has Jesus riding on both animals at the same time, for verse 7 literally says, "on them he sat."
    Why does Matthew have Jesus riding on two donkeys at the same time? Because he misread Zechariah 9:9 which reads in part, "mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a donkey."
    Anyone familiar with Old Testament Hebrew would know that the word translated "and" in this pa.s.sage does not indicate another animal but is used in the sense of "even" (which is used in many translations) for emphasis. The Old Testament often uses parallel phrases which refer to the same thing for emphasis, but Matthew was evidently not familiar with this usage. Although the result is rather humorous, it is also very revealing. It demonstrates conclusively that Matthew created events in Jesus' life to fulfill Old Testament prophecies, even if it meant creating an absurd event. Matthew's gospel is full of fulfilled prophecies. Working the way Matthew did, and believing as the church does in "future contexts," any phrase in the Bible could be turned into a fulfilled prophecy!

    August 28, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Jorge

      Whats hidden is only hidden because we are not equipped to look. Well, we are equipped, just not wanting. The better I get, and the more open i become, and the less crappy things i do and think, the better I get at reading the bible. Things I didnt piece together, I then do. I still have a lot more work inside, but I know this is how it works, because that is how my heart and mind have worked.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  9. James

    You don't seem to grasp the point here. I could care less what people believe, however in the case of theism, the entire planet is affected by the irrational belief systems of the various mainstream religions. It affects the global economy, it affects world peace, it affects our secular life style in the United States. These ancient belief systems are based on superst.ition and mythology. One would think humans would have moved forward by now but instead we as a species behave in the same self-destructive manner now as we did thousands of years ago with more at stake then at any other time in history. It matters.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  10. HeavenSense

    History is full of uncounted massacres by armies carrying a religious banner, though most such episodes were in ancient times with much less efficient killing technology and microscopically smaller populations. The number of religious exterminations of entire villages throughout history is innumerable, though most had body counts only in the hundreds or thousands. Alexander the Great is estimated to have executed a million. 11th century Crusades killed half a million Jews and Muslims. Genghis Khan's massacres of entire populations of cities probably totaled a million. The Aztecs once slaughtered 100,000 prisoners over four days. An unknown number, probably in the millions, died in the Devil's Wind action in Colonial India. Up to four million Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims died in post-Colonial India. The Ottoman Empire massacred two million Armenians over the years. Franco's Spanish Civil War killed a hundred thousand. A million have died in Rwanda, half a million in Darfur. And Christian vs. Muslim violence has obviously dominated our headlines for a decade, totaling somewhere in seven figures.
    So who has been the worst throughout history: atheist regimes or religious regimes? Obviously the big numbers come from the 20th century superpowers (China, Russia, Germany) so the answer depends on how you classify those. And this is where the meat of these debates is usually found, splitting hairs on which regime is atheist, which is merely secular, which is non-Christian and thus fair game to be called atheist. Hitchens points out that Stalin's government had all the trappings of religion, including Orwell's totalitarian theocracy, and thus it's merely a play on words to say that it was not religious. Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist monk who grew up to execute Buddhist monks, along with anyone else he could lay his hands on. Whole books have been written on the occult underpinnings of Nazi Germany, the symbology of the Norse gods, to say nothing of the claims that Hitler was a Christian, Hitler was a Jew, and his own writings expressing the kinship he felt with the Muslims. A favorite counterpoint raised by Christian debaters is that these despots practiced Social Darwinism and were thus atheists by definition. In summary, the winner of these debates is the one who can convince the other that the big 20th century genocidal maniacs were motivated either by religion or by a desire to destroy religion. The entire debate is the logical fallacy of the excluded middle.
    Here's the thing. If you write a book called God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, you sell a lot of books. If you write a book called What's So Great About Christianity on the evils of atheism, you also sell a lot of books. If you say that neither extremist viewpoint makes any sense, you end up doing a podcast and working as a greeter at Wal-Mart directing customers to the section where they sell Hitchens and D'Souza books. The truth is less incisive, it's less inflammatory, it raises no ire, and it draws no audience.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  11. HeavenSent Blog

    Hello and welcome to the HeavenSent blog. This is YOUR opportunity to voice your HeavenSent opinions!

    Please frame your posts to best preach to Atheists about the dangers of a Godless life-style.

    Here are some suggested key words to get you started:

    Personal worm that feeds off them, is never quenched, for eternity
    Believing the lies of satan that they will be collectively mini-gods
    Do as the atheists do in this country to ensure the USA goes belly up
    Too blind to see His truth whether I write it in street language or scripture form
    Jesus told us to send r-apists and murderers back to Him
    Atheists lie when they talk about freedom of speech
    He ran off all the Christians from the other site he oversaw
    That will be the end of you
    Itchy Ears
    God doesn't have favorites
    You're a putz, cough fool
    Liar against His truth
    Abide in Jesus' truth
    Stay on the wrong side of the gulf until you are blotted out for eternity
    Tommie Tom
    Minions of satan
    Prayer changes things
    Man-made lies of the talmud
    Jesus’ letter, the Bible
    God’s truth
    Jesus’ truth
    The truth
    Jesus Christ's truth are resurrected to eternity
    I am flying with Evil
    Boo hoo
    I know from Moe Curly of the 3 stooges that nothing works
    Those that believe in Him go with Him to eternity
    Lies lies lies
    Fat drippings
    Personal worms
    Horrors, earth quakes, floods, disasters are God's wrath against all of us
    You fools doing evil
    You atheists
    Smug atheists
    Prideful atheists
    Throw away that users manual
    Prayer really works
    No eyes to see or hear His truth
    Blotted out for eternity
    Burn burn burn for all eternity
    Writing your filth
    True Christians
    The liar satan
    Snakes in your Belly
    Athiests at CNN
    They are blocking my posts again
    Dead bones
    Logic?? I don't require a single shred to define my beliefs
    You must like worms
    Pay no attention to the small minded fools that got their brain fried
    Read back through the previous articles for over a year dummy
    I know you atheists to be fools
    Notice who is most quoted in the Golden rule. Jesus Christ's wisdom
    You believing something doesn't make it true
    I'm not holding my breath
    You own those labels
    Humble yourself and ask Jesus for forgiveness
    Reprobate minds
    Jesus told us he would give you reprobate minds
    After their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears
    Satan's lies causes confusion
    Atheists write this garbage
    Satan is death
    You are fooling yourself if you don't tell gays they suffer for eternity
    Tortured for eternity
    Blame it on the Christians for having the guts to tell idiots God's truth
    Your father Satan
    End of days taught in Jesus' truth is nothing new to Christians
    Another rock. Nothing new under the sun
    You insist on your lies having wings to fly
    You are still a pigeon
    The entire MO behind the atheist is to throw out as many lies and see what sticks
    Debating is the atheists game
    Satan impregnated Eve with Cain
    I know you atheists to be fools
    Christians are on these articles to ensure Jesus Christ's truth is posted
    Start your walk with Jesus
    Blinded by satan's lies
    Test from God. Do you have what it takes to pass?
    Serpent is just one of the multiple names of Lucifer aka satan
    The big bang and evolution are lies against Jesus’ truth to cause doubt, creating confusion
    Satan's lies are built on quick sand foundation
    What part of Jesus' truth is clarity and satan's lies are confusion do you not comprehend?
    There are no flaws in His word
    Jesus' truth stands for eternity
    Get over your obsession with me
    Lions and tigers and bears, oh my
    Rocks, everywhere on this site, rocks
    Seeds of Jesus falling on rock.
    Stepping over His seeds that get blown by the wind to find their way to fertile grounds
    Typical of swines trampling
    It's obsessive compulsion to grab at any straw to give a reason not to learn or understand
    Go back to posting under my handle and answering yourself
    Get a life and try to grow
    Singular swine using multiple handles.
    You still continue to refuse to learn your heritage
    I've posted the answer numerous times
    I'm glad the line from the movie Secretariat sticks in your mind
    Statistics prove that the more devout someone is, the higher IQ they have
    Read the Bible. It is 100 percent accurate in every facet
    It makes me smile to know that people will be tortured in hell for eternity
    He steals their handles to write his evil
    You atheists steal my handle to post your evil will
    Reap the sword of the Lord Jesus when He returns
    Stealing our handles
    Why are you lying?
    Get an education to His truth
    What's your point small god savior?
    I expect foolish thinking from an atheist
    Jesus’ wisdom is roaring it's ugly head throughout the world
    Another Pharisees jealous that Jesus is God and not them
    The atheist that hijacks my handle to spew their lies
    Hhmmm, confused?

    Remember….Muslims, Jews and Atheists need not apply!


    August 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  12. HeavenSense

    Christians ignore Jesus

    Christians are Liars

    Jesus made a number of very clear statements about money and wealth in the Bible. For example:

    Matthew 6:19
    Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

    Luke 14:33
    Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

    Matthew 6:24
    No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money.

    Matthew 19:21-24
    Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

    Matthew 19:28-29
    Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

    Luke 9:23-25
    Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?

    Matt 13: 22
    The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

    Hebrews 13:5
    Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

    Phil 2:3
    Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

    Acts 2:44-45
    All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

    The message is clear. If you want to follow Jesus, you need to "sell your possessions and give to the poor." It is a very simple message, and easy to do. Have you done it? The fact that you are reading this page would indicate that you have not. Chances are you own a computer, pay for an Internet connection every month, live in a home or apartment, have a car, etc. In other words, you live a life at a level of wealth unimaginable in Jesus' time. Meanwhile, billions of people on the planet live in startling, abject poverty.

    Why don't you sell everything and follow Jesus, as he requests in the Bible? The reason is simple: Jesus and God are imaginary, and you know it. If Jesus were real, you would do what he says.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Jorge

      You bring up a point that I love, and I believe in Jesus!

      Its not that they cant, because they thinks its imaginary. They cant because they dont have the will and love required (like, all the time, day and night, inside and out). Or they do, and choose not to act on it, like everyone on this planet.

      Ive always found atheists to be better christians then self professed christians, lol. Mostly, because they can see Jesus doing good, and see followers doing bad.

      Now, does that discount Jesus and his words? Or the ones who claim to follow them? Dont hate on whats good, because others are not.

      One of my fav's, Keirkegaard, once likened Christianity to a mirror. Originally, the mirror is pure and perfect, then over time, people put nicks and cuts around the border, so much so, over so much time, that now, no one even looks in the mirror anymore, because the rest of it is so hideous.

      Dont cheat yourself out of something so good, because of human weakness. Then it is they who win over you, not vice versa

      August 28, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
  13. HeavenSense

    Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?
    Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains. If you read what the Bible actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an "all-knowing" God had absolutely nothing to do with this book.
    The reason why the Bible contains so much nonsense is because God is imaginary. The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  14. Jake-413451

    Delusions on parade continues.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  15. shipsa01

    Ok, I think that about does it. Time to remove the tax breaks from these exempted organizations. No need to continue 'supporting' them – especially when they're shills for political parties and contain numerous people that harbor and protect child abusers.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Alien Orifice


      You keep stepping over His seeds that get blown by the wind to find their way to fertile grounds. Typical of swines trampling. My kids were born on a pool table. It's obsessive compulsion to grab at any straw to give a reason not to learn or understand.


      August 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  16. Pam the ham what am likes spam to look glam

    So let me get this straight.

    The jolly dude in a pointy helmet and table cloth, is going to talk to his invisible friend, at a meeting of supposed adults.
    Ok. Hmm.


    August 28, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  17. Reality

    The only opening and closing convention prayer worth saying:

    The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    (references used are available upon request)

    August 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Reality, the only error I see is how Mary got preggers. Pretty sure she was a w.h.o.r.e and I think her baby daddy was the blacksmith.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Reality

      "Some say he was a mamzer." mamzer = a bas-tard

      August 28, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  18. Truth

    I wish no harm to any humans, but, as Grover Norquist once pointed out about government, I would love to see Christianity and organized religion as a whole shrunk to the size that we can drown it in a bathtub.

    August 28, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • nope


      August 28, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • yup


      August 28, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  19. derp

    How does anyone take this doosh seriously dressed in a table cloth and a pointy hat.

    August 28, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheists are the one's who write this garbage. Satan's lies causes confusion. I have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say "Cool Whip" on the side. After their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.


      August 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    August 28, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi prayerbot.

      August 28, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Pam the ham what am likes spam to look glam

      Some people are just dou"chy, beyond several degrees of do'u'chebaggery.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Troll

      People with dementia can repeat themselves over and over again, by telling a repeat a word or phrase,

      August 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
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