August 28th, 2012
10:37 AM ET
Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN) - Bill Nye does not think that children should be taught to deny evolution, and a YouTube video of him explaining why has gone viral. The CNN Belief Blog's report on the video has generated around 10,000 comments and thousands of Facebook shares since Monday.
There were some broad themes in the comments, reflecting a debate that is largely unique to the United States.
While Christianity is booming in Africa, Asia and Latin America, creationism is not, Penn State University religious studies professor Philip Jenkins writes in his book "The New Faces of Christianity: Believing the Bible in the Global South."
Here are five schools of reaction that have emerged in comments:
1. Those using this controversy to bash religion
Atheists love the Internet, as we've chronicled on the Belief Blog. While they may be a small portion of the population, they seem to make up about half our commenters. It was their chance to join with Nye and cheer him on:
2. Those who say wait a minute, being a creationist isn’t necessarily being anti-evolution
Lots of folks from the theistic evolution camp came out to say that believing God was involved doesn't automatically make you anti-evolution.
3. Those who say that science is stupid and that young Earth creationism rules
Young Earth creationists, who believe the Earth is about 6,000 years old, appeared to be out in force in the comments.
4. Those who say Nye should stick to his area of expertise
This tweet was the most polite remark we could find on this subject. Other comments and tweets, not so much.
5. Those who say CNN is cooking up controversy where none exists
Lots of people suggested we were generating a story instead of covering one.
For the record, plenty of other news outlets covered this story, pointing out that Nye's video was posted on YouTube just before the Republican National Convention opened. Turns out that Nye taped the segment awhile back and had no say in when it would be released.
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Genetics Proves Evolution: The Creationist's Galileo Moment
When chicken embryos start to develop they have teeth buds and the beginnings of multi segmented tails. As they develop their DNA tells the developing embryo to absorb them. Much like human embryo's absorb the so called embryonic gill slits. Now if you turn off the genes that control this absorption instruction you get chicken embryos that develop long multi segmented dinosaur tails and meat eating dinosaur teeth complete with the serrated inside edge. Other studies have also been successful in regressing feathers into scales.
This is not hypothesis. This is not supposition. This is not interpretation. This cold hard, hold in your hands see with your own eyes type reproducible proof. It has already been done and is doc.umented and reproducible. No DNA was ever added to the bird DNA. This was done using 100% pure chicken DNA.
They have proved that bird DNA contains genes that create dinosaur characteristics. The only way this can happen is through the evolutionary process.
So like when Galileo first pointed his telescope at the heavens and learned that Aristotle was wrong modern scientists have pointed their microscopes at developing bird embryos and learned that they are correct. Evolution is real.
Now just to make things easier for Creationists, yes I realize that you prefer to get your education from YouTube U. as I know reading non religious articles is such a chore for you, here are the names and insti.tutions that you can use as starting points for your research. However you must remember to get the best results from your Internet searches do not to include the terms 'bible, creationist, intelligent design, religion, god' in your search engine queries.
Raul Cano, professor of microbiology at California Polytechnic State University
Jack Horner, professor of palaeontology at Montana State University
Hans Larsson, a paleontologist at McGill University in Canada
Matt Harris and John Fallon, developmental biologists at the University of Wisconsin
Dewey Kramer, at Texas A&M University
"Now just to make things easier for Creationists, yes I realize that you prefer to get your education from YouTube."
Sad really, it was an interesting and thought provoking post you had going on here. Why non-creationist posters think it's necessary to insult those of us who believe differently is simply boorish and impolite. This kind of behavior also appears to refute the "man descended from apes" claim. The apes are more cultured ...
Gee I don't know maybe because Creationists keep telling us:
1) we are going to H.ell.
2) we have no morals
3) we are causing the downfall of western society
Can you provide a link to the dinosour chicken white paper?
I'm still waiting for a creationist to tell me why God created tapeworms. Anyone?
Where do you think tape comes from dummy?
The tapeworm because of what it eats and dispenses was the forerunner of the modern atheist.
I know creationists are funny, but seriously, explain it to me without being un-Christian
Still waiting.....(crickets chirping)
Who are you asking why there are tapeworms?
Diet pill. Actually in Holland during the war years, they used to embed tape work heads in placebo pills and sell them as diet pills. It worked, with a few side effects.
Sorry Raymondo, i am still waiting for an explanation
for the platypus.
Was god on acid and just said to himself,
lets take one of everything and slap it together ?
I dont believe in god, but if there is one
he has one sick sense of humour.
Put a smile on a great white shark.
Make the panda bear a great big teddy bear you want to hug,
as it rips your face off.
Evolution does what it does for survival.
Evolution is a fact
The evolution of humans is a theory, with plenty of supporting evidence ... and remember gravity is also a theory.
Abiogenesis and the big bang have nothing to do with evolution.
Actually the concept of gravity is a law. But I get your point
In science a theory is a good as it gets. A theory means that there is enough evidence for it to be universally accepted as being true. A theory is made up of laws and laws are made up of facts. Facts may be added to or revised as we discover more about our world, but the overall theory stays the same.
Go to any maturity ward and you can see the effects of continuing human evolution via mutation. We call them birth defects. Some are are survivable some not.
The evolution of humans is also a fact. The same evidence that support the evolution of other animals is the same for humans. All evolution is is change over time, and this is proven without doubt through both the fossil record and DNA. At this point the only thing remaining is how life started, and at this point the best answer we have is Abiogenesis.
Sorry, there are too many holes in the THEORY of evolution for me to accept it.
The idea that lizards morphed into birds over time is ludicrous.
The idea that a puddle of primordial ooze is the source of all life is hysterical.
You funny atheists come up with the most hilarious fairy tales!
Please tell me some more of your funny stories.
and remember gravity is also a theory.
Try to fall "up".
That works for me.
I heard that believing the revolution theory to be right is believing the world is created by change. It does not seems to be science to me. I am very disappointment by B. Nye's video.
I'm not sure if you are making a joke or if you just misspelled evolution. Either way, evolution doesn't have anything to do with how the Earth was created. It is change in genetic makeup over time. For instance: a strain of bacteria becomes more anti biotic resistant over several generations because the gene that makes the anti biotic reistant protein becomes more prevalent in the gene pool. That's it.
the world is created by change
The world is created by standing perfectly still.
Dont move or you will upset it.
Religion is the Opium of the Masses. The Aristocratic Global Corporate Oligarchy use religion to blind and pacify the masses while they exploit, steal and create war. I'm not saying there isn't a God, there is...but not with these conmen.
Let me see...it's okay for Christians to protest science and evolution...but the second a person (like myself) that doesn't believe in a God and believes evolution is fact and protests God is just wrong...I don't get it? By the way I spiderman is real, just read the comics! He lives in nyc and saves lives even though there's no evidence of his existence. Let's give all the credit to spiderman and none to the nypd or doctor's...just put you faith in spiderman! =)
Maybe they need to have all the technology and medicine that science has granted them taken away, so they can live off the fruits of their "superior" religion.
Good point. Civil war was probably fake too because there is no one left to say it was real except for silly books.
All arguments and rationalizing notwithstanding, the basic question remains and must be answered: can the natural and supernatural coexist? That which is “natural” now was “supernatural” not so many generations ago. As time evolves (Oh my, there’s that word again!) we will look back on many of our understandings now just as we look back at the price of gasoline in 1950. 20¢ or 30¢ cents a gallon it was! And we say “How could that be?! Well, it was.
We live in a natural world, our cosmos is natural, our bodies are natural, our loved ones are natural, our pets and possessions and our very existence is natural. Once we satisfy our minds (natural, no less or no more) as to the validity of this premise, everything becomes so simple in its complexity. Acceptance of the supernatural leaves no limits or bounds. Where do we stop? The end result is signs from the heavens, speaking to angels, immaculate conceptions, bleeding pictures of deities and saints, the dead rising, ascensions into the sky, and on and on. There can never be “miracles” because a “miracle” sets aside the very existence of our being. You can’t have it both ways. A prayer for a win at Friday Night Lights means you are praying for the loss of the opponents. One cannot ascribe one’s own good fortune to the “will of God”. What will you do with the fortune of an opponent? What is God’s will for him? Is he not as good or as deserving as you are? The entire belief system in the supernatural is belief in ghosts. It is an effort of children (immature human race) crying out for understanding of those things they do not as yet understand rationally. It’ll happen one day, just give it time. In the meanwhile, please curb your arrogance. Just saying……..
Love these videos you post, btw !! 😀
Thanks! Glad someone is enjoying them.
Bill Nye? Really? Didn't he have like a silly children's show? I mean, Bill Nye? Come on man....
What show were you on? Jersey shore?
You're right. He should be considered Iron Clad because he was on TV and I wasn't . Good point. How do I remove my comment?
You may have benefitted from watching his silly children's show. Now you're an idiot adult that believes in magic
Iron clad? Did the voices tell you that?
Bill Nye The Science Guy.
Maybe you where watching "Oral Roberts".
Honestly, who cares what Nye thinks or believes? this article is purely fodder for CNN to push its liberal agenda, incite all of the atheists and create an environment for Christian bashing in a blog format. Garbage. How about reporting news........? there is a novel idea.
Well...you Christians make it so easy to ridicule you. You want to inject your superstitions into our children's classrooms and dumb down our children with your crazy belifes. You Taliban should just leave reality to thinking people.
Perhaps you'd be more comfortable over at American Thinker.
CNN to push its liberal agenda.......
1) Dont like the message, shoot the messenger.
2) CNN is owned by Time Warner
Time Warner is 51% owned by the Saudi Royal family.
Real liberal, huh ?
If they would stop shoving there religion down peoples throats,
they wouldnt have this backlash.
Believe what you want, and leave the rest of us alone.
Is there a part of that you dont understand ?
Tell me you believe in God. Good for you. Tell me you pray. That's fine.
Tell me you believe in creationism and that the world is 6000 years old.
I wonder if you were hit in the head as a child or if you simply are not able to process information.
As Mr Nye says, in almost every museum in the world there are bones that are millions of years old. The fossil record
shows 4.5 BILLION years.
If your brain works, this should help with that creationism thing.
One more option: I don't give a rats butt what Nye says for or against evolution.
One more option: I don't give a rats butt what Nye says for or against evolution.
Well, gee mister jsmith, you must care
you went and readed the story,
and then you went and maketh a coment about the story.
People who dont care, dont waste that much energies, mrjsmithl.
Maybe you was just bored ?
I can tell you what to do with your comment..................................................
Ah, yes, another one of Obama's nitwit atheists espouses their faith in there not being a Supreme Being. The atheists have this quaint belief that the laws of physics were somehow suspended when the universe "came into being", a sphere of matter, several thousands light years in diameter, in less than a nanosecond. The belief, the faith, of atheists and agnostics is something to behold! The surprise is they don't handle rattlesnakes, roll around the floor, at their OWS and Democrat conclaves.
I love how you have to equate atheists to Christians to insult them. You must really hate yourself.
You forgot this difference though. Science has given us human flight, cures for diseases, longer life span, the computer you are using.....Religious thought has given us.....hate.
The Bible disobeys nearly every law of science and physics.
You are right. We have a hard time explaining what went on before 13.7 billion years ago. But that's better than not knowing (or caring) what went on before 6,000 years ago.
Please give us an accurate description of something that happened exactly 7000 years ago. August 28, 4088 B. C. Anywhere in the world, your choice.
truth be told
Moses parts the sea.
Science allows us to construct airplanes and buildings
Religion gave us people who fly aircraft into buildings
You're all mine.
The liberals can't find any snakes. All the true religious believers (the GOP faithful) have them and are rolling around the floor.
Ah, yes, another one of Obama's nitwit atheists.....
Wow, you just blew my mind dude,
didnt you people say that Obama was an Islamic, Kenyan, Socialist , Marxist, communist ?
Now you are telling me he is an athiest ?
Gee, Obama must be like, superman, he can do anything.
You guys have got to compare notes, man.
Maybe get some better weed.
I say bravo to Bill Nye for he finally put himself out there for the sake of science. He will lose his Evnagelical FunDUHmentalist Christian audience who were always ok with his un-threatening explanations of real world phenomonom as long as he didn't discuss anything that went against their mythology and delusions. It took a lot of guts.
I know. He is now my man. I mean, I'm a straight dude, but I kind a want to have kids by him now.
@omar: I kind of feel that way about Neil deGrasse Tyson. Hero worship does have its rewarding moments.
It was aliens
It should be obvious to anyone that sitting out on a sand dune and fasting till your mind starts to get all squidgy and you start to hear voices is the only path to the truth, and that all that tedious mucking about in laboratories and collecting and studying specimens is an absolute and utter waste of time and money. Fortunately, someone in ancient Sumeria already sat on that sand dune and fasted for us so we don't have to, and the Hebrews were kind enough to jot down what the voices were supposed to have said, so we need look no further than the Old Testament for the utter, unquestionable and absolute truth.
What a crock of sh!t.
Bob, now go show the orderly what you wrote. Go on.
I think he was being sarcastic.
Strange how creationists think evolution is so implausible, yet they freely accept the concept of a magical man with a beard to explain everything they don't know. I'm still waiting for an explanation why god created viruses, earthquakes, tapeworms, murder, quadraplegia and mosquitos. If you were god, wouldn't you create a world without these things? If you are omnipotent, that should be a pretty easy thing.
There is plenty of scientific evidence to support evolution. There is only faith to support creationism. I'll go with the evidence.
and Faith won't even pick up the phone except nights and weekends
While you are correct, there is plenty of evidence to support evolution, you don't have to pick between evolution and creationism. Evolution doesn't explain or attempt to explain how things got on Earth. Evolution is change in genetic makeup over time.
Kat – "While you are correct, there is plenty of evidence to support evolution, you don't have to pick between evolution and creationism."
But if you had an ounce of sensibility, you would pick. You would throw away the ridiculous notion of creationism.
That wasn't my point. My point was that the two have nothing to do with each other and arguing as if they are parallel is silly.
@Kat – If you think that Evolution and Creationism can coexist, then you must be ignorant of both schools of thought. Evolution says that humans descended from apes millions of years ago. Creationism says the earth is 6,000 – 10,000 years old and that God directly created all life as we know it today including, of course, humans. Now, can you explain to me how these ideas can coexist and how one does not rule out the other? It's so sad to watch so many Christians hold on to the Christian mythology of how the Earth and its lifeforms were created. It doesn't matter how or when or how long it took. What you're supposed to get from Genesis is that God created the world – that's all. Now, Evolution does not preclude God (but Creationism and Evolution do preclude each other), so Christians can look at Evolution without worry (though many of them attack it because they mistakenly think that believing everything in the Bible is some kind of requirement God has put on us even though it's clearly not). The idea of the Bible as some sort of inerrant, infalliable history book came from man, not from God. So don't be afraid to open your mind and look for God beyond the pages of the Bible.
Ok, commenting on my own comment . . . Reading back over that I realize I should have explained Evolution better than I did, but, of course, I'm trying to keep it fairly brief. The main point – that these two ideas can't coexist – is still valid regardless of my poor description of Evolution.
Evolution does not say that we descended for apes. Believe it or not, we are apes. Evolution says that there is change in the frequency of certain genes in a gene pool over time. That is it. A new species emerging from an existing one is called speciation, not evolution. Creationism attempts to explain how the Earth was created and how we got here, evolution has nothing to do with how we got here.
Prayer changes things .
Not true really. Actually, it's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, are just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about.
Atheists have strong minds, so you don't see them running and hiding their misdeeds within some religion (and by doing so, disserving society).
So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.
Yes, it changes the amount of time one wastes in a day.
Prayer changes nothing, and if it does, it is only a placebo effect.
Prayer never changes stupidity.
Except that there are thousands upon thousands of lives changed by prayer
@truth be trolled: Imagination is a wonderful thing. Just refrain from using yours to force anything on anyone.
Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things
Prayer changes things .
You are good.
You have been posting this garbage for close to two years now,
You never reply to anybody, and you get tons of responses.
The only thing that i can think of, is that you are a very lonely person.
Hope all of the attention helps you, but you need the kind of help
you will not get from a web site.
Put the rest of us out of "your" misery.
Prayer changes things
You people are all wrong. I believe in the ONE and ONLY god, yahweh the stud. I have an original book wriiten and autographed by him so I know what I'm talking about. He's all knowing. all powerful and quite a nice god, at least as long as you worship him. If you fail to do that, (or at least give 10% of your after tax income)' you're in deep doo doo. His hell is twice as bad as the next guys so watch out. Nice guy though.
LOL ! 😀
May you never be dumped upon by an elephant.
speaking from experience or are you wishful thinking?
Is she "wishful thinking"? She might be "wishfully thinking", you hammerhead, but she's certainly not 'wishful thinking' unless you're accusing her of changing screen names.
How did you get so stupid?
Now there is someone who has been dumped on by an elephant.
Were you? Is that how you came to be such an idiot? You were deprived of oxygen whilst sniffing elephant farts?
No that would be you Tom the gas has addled your brain and your memory.