Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique
Commenters were fired up about Bill Nye, creationism and evolution.
August 28th, 2012
10:37 AM ET

Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critique

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye does not think that children should be taught to deny evolution, and a YouTube video of him explaining why has gone viral. The CNN Belief Blog's report on the video has generated around 10,000 comments and thousands of Facebook shares since Monday.

There were some broad themes in the comments, reflecting a debate that is largely unique to the United States.

While Christianity is booming in Africa, Asia and Latin America, creationism is not, Penn State University religious studies professor Philip Jenkins writes in his book "The New Faces of Christianity: Believing the Bible in the Global South."

Here are five schools of reaction that have emerged in comments:

1. Those using this controversy to bash religion

Atheists love the Internet, as we've chronicled on the Belief Blog. While they may be a small portion of the population, they seem to make up about half our commenters.  It was their chance to join with Nye and cheer him on:

midwest rail:
"If you're watching 'The Flintstones' as if it were a documentary, you're doing it wrong."

2. Those who say wait a minute, being a creationist isn’t necessarily being anti-evolution

Lots of folks from the theistic evolution camp came out to say that believing God was involved doesn't automatically make you anti-evolution.

"As someone who is a born again Christian, (senior) mechanical engineer in the technology industry, and a firsthand witness of the risen Christ, I just want to say that Bill Nye is on the right track. It is understandable that both sides seem to be entrenched in their own position, but did anyone ever think that both are correct, and that the truth lies somewhere in the middle?"

"I believe in God, I believe in creationism and evolution. I think that we all came from one man and one woman (God created), and I think that the human race has evolved from this paring. I am a Christian and I love science, learning about our world, and I appreciate the contribution that science has made. But my soul/spirit also need God's love."

"FYI, 'Science Guy': One can believe in evolution and creation at the same time. They are not incongruent.

3. Those who say that science is stupid and that young Earth creationism rules

Young Earth creationists, who believe the Earth is about 6,000 years old, appeared to be out in force in the comments.

"As a creationist, why would I want to debate an evolutionist? It (is) all a matter of FAITH. You either believe, and have faith in, what Christians call 'THE WORD OF GOD' or not. No debate. TRUTH IS TRUTH WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

The people who perished in the Great Flood, in the Bible, didn't believe it was going to rain until it was too late. Better start knocking on the door of the ark before it closes."

"Creationism isn't even taught in public schools. Evolution is. So if you want your children to have Christian beliefs, then you really need to home-school them or find a good Christian school. Unfortunately not the other way around!

"It seems to me that evolution requires just as much faith as creationism. You're just putting your faith in our human powers of observation and believe that what we have thought up based on those observations is correct. We've got a few hundred years at best, of scientific observation, that has now told us that one giant, explosive, random event started a chain reaction that, over billions of years resulted in humans, and flowers, and viruses, and dinosaurs. The belief that the unfathomable intricacies of every living thing on our Earth formed themselves completely at random seems just as fantastical to me as believing in a creator."

4. Those who say Nye should stick to his area of expertise

This tweet was the most polite remark we could find on this subject. Other comments and tweets, not so much.

"Thanks Bill ... but leave the teaching of my children to me. ..."

[tweet https://twitter.com/watsup1101/status/240168918109523968%5D

5. Those who say CNN is cooking up controversy where none exists

Lots of people suggested we were generating a story instead of covering one.

Tony Montana:

"Another example of CNN's mostly one-sided reporting. No wonder Fox is (No.) 1. Hopefully CNN will put on both sides in the future if for no other reason than their ratings. Parts of the Bible are dated and contains metaphors. ***SCIENCE IS SIMPLY AN OBSERVATION OF GOD'S CREATION.*** Humans did not make the solar system, billions of stars in billions of galaxies. 'ET' didn't make the universe either. Even if 'ET' did what made 'ET.' "

For the record, plenty of other news outlets covered this story, pointing out that Nye's video was posted on YouTube just before the Republican National Convention opened.  Turns out that Nye taped the segment awhile back and had no say in when it would be released.

Thanks for chiming in. The comments are open here, and you can always hit us up on Twitter @CNNBelief.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Creationism

soundoff (2,811 Responses)
  1. Almost ready to go Amish...

    This entire story, and the reactions to it, are hilarious. But here's the big question: if Nye bugs you, then are you going to skip going to EPCOT center to hear him teach about the universe Big Banging (out of nowhere for no reason) along with another controversial JC Penney's spokes-person?

    Personally, I agree with the last comment: I think CNN runs stories like this just to get people foaming at the mouth in the chat forums...

    August 28, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Bottom Keys

      The few times I go the religion part it is solely for humor. Once again y'all thank you.

      August 28, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
  2. PudninTane

    Hey, they forgot the trolls spouting nonsense and sidelining the entire conversation.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  3. Horus

    I'm still laughing (and crying) at the stat that nearly half of Americans believe in creationism. I wonder what a poll about Noah's Ark would yield.....

    August 28, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Pika

      I know right! It's really scary and funny at the same time. The scary part is that these people vote and might be your boss. The funny part is.....well we know why they are funny, we don't need to give up our secret jokes about them on this forum.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  4. sue

    Truth? You can always twist the truth to suit your needs . . . it's the FACTS that can't be toyed with. FACTS ARE FACTS and science is a self-correcting, fact-based system - religion, simply put, is not.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  5. Charlie

    I deal with the current reality of how things are on earth. Knowing how they got to be that way doesn't help me in the least.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Jerome Haltom

      Hmm. Interesting. If there's a broken window on my house, I don't JUST fix it. I also wonder how it got that way, so I can figure out how to prevent it from happening again.

      Likewise, other people certainly have reasons. Vaccines. Kind of hard to make those to predict future outbreaks of viruses if you don't know how the viruses develop.

      August 28, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • louiszwu

      Each time we fail to learn from history (or observation), the cost of the lesson becomes greater.

      August 28, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
  6. Sam

    Wow am I banned?

    August 28, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Sam

      How can you discuss athiesm or christianity if so many words are censored?

      August 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Eric R Palmer

      Yes. Nobody can see your post.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • hal 9000

      sam, for your reference, I found information on words that are banned:

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      co-on…..as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
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      jacka-ss…yet “ass” is allowed by itself…..
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      koo-ch….as in koo-chie koo..!
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      se-x……as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t…..but shat is okay – don’t use the @ symbol there.
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      Also Sam, the word is atheist.

      Please let me know if I may be of any further help Sam.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  7. DanW

    How about "What you believe is truth is what you believe is truth whether it is truth or not." Science works at developing theories that explain what we experience and that predict other behavior. If a scientist does not have an explanation he will keep looking for one or work on another problem where he can hopefully make some progress. Some other people may say "I don't understand how that could be, so God must have done it".

    August 28, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
  8. Monotheism is one step away from No Theism

    Science and religion are not compatible. Science is a method of testing and verifying observable information in our universe, and when a theory is proven false it is abandoned. While religion is about believing in what someone else tells you and not questioning it and even if a belief is proven wrong time and time again that belief remains a concrete part of that belief system. It's fact versus fiction and just like Bill Nye said we need a new generation of critically thinking people who can help humanity progress and religion is about keeping things stuck in a vacuum.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • S.R.

      Could not agree more. Well said!!!

      August 28, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • anonanon1234


      August 28, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  9. Greg

    It's entirely possible that a creator set up the universe with a whole slew of rules and components, hit "play" and this is what we've got. But to suggest the planet is only 5000 years old is naive and egotistical, not to mention ignorant of all the evidence around that suggests otherwise.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Alex

      to satisfy the religious zealots you can even say god set up the components and rules 15 billion years ago hit play and what we got is exactly what he wanted and knew would happen, that is perfectly consistent with all known science, denying that evolution happens is just stupidity

      August 28, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Pika

      Alex, bingo!

      August 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • louiszwu

      Bear in mind that this is pure idle speculation on my part, but imagine that some intelligence created this universe. That being would, for a number of reasons, necessarily be very different from us. A multidimensional being, perhaps. What motivates it to create the universe, I can't imagine. After all, one can't think 11 dimensional thoughts with a 3 dimensional brain. This being would be so different from us, that if you put a human next to, say, a single bacterium, that being would look at both and see essentially the same thing. It's indifference would know no bounds. Far more likely, in my opinion, that this universe, and everything in it would be a very small part, perhaps even an un-intended side-effect, of some much grander creation.

      Of course, I'm just spitballin' here.

      August 29, 2012 at 12:23 am |
  10. NorthVanCan

    You Americans are so silly. The rest of the civilized world watches in disbelief . How can you be so childish and still get to mars ?

    August 28, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Alex

      luckily we have just as many smart people as dumb people, the dumb ones are the loud ones though, that's where your impression of us comes from

      August 28, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Mary had a little lamb

      Because to excel, you need an imagination, which you and your country lack. Sorry.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Veritas

      I live in the US and I am so ashamed of this country. We look like a big dumb bully with nuclear weapons and we shove our views down other countries throats.
      No other countries are having this debate we look like idiots in the scientific community.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Sarah

      What Veritas said. Times many.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  11. National Ethics Director

    Dang, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. You are so ill, ill, ill, ill.
    Glad you said that of your Free Will, Will, Will, Will
    And we know where THAT came from.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Balls McGhee

      congrats on posting the dumbest thing ever in the history of the internet.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • AcidicA

      Why do those who believe still not understand threats to those who dont are empty. I could threaten you all day that flying monkeys will come and steal all your cookies and burn your hair. You wouldnt bat an eye, you would think me insane. When you threat or elude to threats from a divine creator all atheists just kinda shrug and think man that dude is crazy...Also to any moron who says its just a theory, so is gravity. I wish you could deny the theory enough to just float away...

      August 29, 2012 at 12:00 am |
  12. hemplover

    CNN says atheists are a small portion of the population, but I'm not buying it. Faith is the enemy of reason.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Much Tom

      When all reason escapes you and you are at wits end, what is left? Faith.
      I didn't say "Faith in ____", but faith.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Eric R Palmer

      hemplover, I agree. I think that Atheists are greatly under-represented in polls because people don't want to self-identify as Atheists because there are negative societal pressures.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • P.Y.

      Reason?On Earth?
      Please,don't e that naive.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Jeff Williams

      Eric you hit the nail on the head. That's consistent with the numbers of atheists we see here, where we can discuss/argue/cajole/belittle without worrying about gunshot wounds or losing a job. Some of us live in very primitive areas of the country and can't discuss this subject in public without getting faithful people really angry.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  13. Eric R Palmer

    To those who think that all of the beautiful intricacies of life couldn't possibly arrive out of random occurences: Firstly, the occurences aren't random; they follow the laws of physics. If you want to call those laws of physics God, I can't argue with you. Secondly, I don't think that it is understood how long 14.6 billion years is. It is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Long enough that systems of unbelievable complexity can arise.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
  14. buffalo

    god! god! god! And still not one shred of evidence that "he" (Why a he?) exists. Silly rituals and leaps of faith. Not one real miracle. Just burn marks on tortillas. Allows world-wide suffering because he "loves" humanity. Hogwash from top to bottom; front to back.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • FajitaBob

      You are proof of God, bufalo.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • flk

      did you ever stop to think that god cannot be proven, and that doesnt mean it doesnt exist? just because something cannot be proven doesnt negate its existence. only arrogant humans proceed in absolutes. (and for that matter evolution cannot be proven)

      August 28, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Veritas

      I think god is completely embarrassed at his creation he left town. He is now working on a new project.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      Your way of thinking is confined to this world. What you get from this world and universe is all you have. God is outside of all this. How could you possibly understand God or prove his existance by your worldy limitations ? Well, I can't prove it so it can't be real. Another FYI, God doesn't dictate everythiing that happens in this world. This is not heaven. It's not perfect. Sadly this is only heaven that alot of people will know. It will not get any better for them. To a christian, this is our hell.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Annie

      Did you ever really look at a tree, buffalo? A sunset? A flower. I mean really look at a river and what lives in it? A baby? Heck buffalo, have you ever had a look at the buffalo and how they live on the grassy plains? You have seen the face of God and don't even know it yet! You know, you can't see the wind but you always know it's there....

      August 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • buffalo

      More mealy-mouthed, "is-is not" God drivel from weak-minded knee-crawlers. I laugh at your drivel.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Bob

      In reply to FLK,

      I cannot prove the Flying Spaghetti does not exist. Does that mean it too could also exist? Therefore, by your logic, the flying spaghetti monster and God are in the same tier.

      August 28, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Tim


      Have you ever looked into the eyes of a starving child in Africa, dying as a his body cannibalizes itself. Have you ever watched as millions of people were marched into death camps, left there for weeks and then eventually were put to death during the holocaust. Have you ever seen a devout Christian lead a perfectly good life, and wonder why his god abandoned him as he lay there dying of cancer?

      Have you ever seen men, being told they weren't allowed to read because they didn't want them becoming too intelligent. These same men were forced to obey other men, if not punishments could result in whippings or even death? Have you ever seen an atomic bomb drop and kill millions of people in two major cities?

      For an omnipotent God, he sure doesn't care about his people.

      August 28, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
  15. Justsayin'

    The truth lies somewhere in the middle. I can accept that there had to be a creation at some point. After that, it is evolution.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Jerome Haltom

      There is no requirement for the truth to lie somewhere in the middle. As far as I can tell, it lies closer to the side of science. And, even if science has it wrong, religion has it more wrong.

      August 28, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  16. Zeppelin

    That last comment is fabulous. Fox sure as hell isn't No. 1 because they cover the news. They do anything but present two sides of any story.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • sarge325

      Obviously, you haven't bothered to watch FoxNews. Their news shows are straightforward. Their opinion shows obviously are hosted by conservatives, but these hosts always bring on liberals to give their view. CNN is similar except that all of its hosts are liberal. They got rid of their one independent, Lou Dobbs, who now works at FoxNews. I watch both networks to insure I get both sides of the story. The "news" channel that is out on a limb is MSNBC. Liberal through and through with no attempt to be fair. Chris Matthews? Mr. "thrill up my leg"? The man who called the US Military Academy "the enemy camp"?

      August 28, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  17. TDogg

    Ole Bill better hope he's right, he looks to be about 80 years old now. His days are running out. Bill boy, you better hope that you are right when you draw that last breath because when you open your eyes on the other side of eternity you'll be staring at your creator..........

    August 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • buffalo

      Prove it!

      August 28, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Alex

      i believe in god because i think there is evidence of his existence/influence, but i can't help thinking many people believe in god only because they're scared of what might happen to them if they don't, and those tend to be the dogmatic ones who ignore facts all around them

      August 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • hawaiikaos

      Why would you have eyes in your spectral form? Sorry, this stuff is just too easy to blow holes into.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Awww how cute Pascal's Wager. Too bad it's a defunked pile of garbage.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • fred

      Why bother to label the post as Pascal’s wager? I don’t see the wager element being presented. An atheist has hope (or for the materialist has expectations) that their belief system is true otherwise you would be living a lie. Who lives life against their belief system intentionally? No one!
      Ergo the statement is true in that Atheists hope there is no God after death.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Andrmar1

      TDogg , the odds of him being right is infinitely more than your Hebrew god existing. Keep your blinders on, lot easier for you obviously, but don't pollute our children with your ignorance.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • rufereal

      Or, more likely, same thing he was staring at before he was born.... nothing.. why is it so hard for people to accept that when the lights go out they just go out? Are you really that special? Do you really deserve to exist forever? Look at yourself! I think not!

      August 28, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      Alex, To believe in God does not save you from anythiing. Even the demons believe. By merely believing will get you no where.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • fred

      You cannot calculate the odds the existence of God is greater or less than the non existence of God.
      What we do know is that the more we learn about our existence from a physical perspective (i.e. our known physical world) the greater the odds that random chance not a possibility. Current odds of random chance resulting in our existence is x to the power of 740. Most honest people acknowledge that is statistically impossible.
      So atheists really need to stay away from mathematics when it comes to God.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  18. Ned Flanders

    oyyy veyyyyyy. There is nothing to debate. Anyone who believes that evolutionary theory isn't sufficiently proven doesn't understand the facts. If you want to convince yourself of some ridiculous childish young earth garbage, well, great. But please don't insist we listen to the inane argument.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • fsjunkie

      "Sufficiently proven." You don't get the whole science thing...do ya?!

      August 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Ned Flanders

      no but I bet you're about to drop some knowledge on me and capitalize the words Him or God.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • fsjunkie

      Nope, just pointing out that you are a person of faith.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Ned Flanders

      my faith in scientific method is not like your faith in spirits never seen nor heard from in human history. don't be ridiculous. you won't make an intelligent point here. You're incapable of doing so on this topic. guaranteed.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • flk

      your outlook and faith in science is religiously skewed. most christians love science, its the mind of god. people like you are seriously blind and follow whatever the latest trend in science is. like saying evolution is a fact. its far from it. regardless of what you believe or dont. evolution is a theory that changes regularly. is there evidence of the possibility of evolution? certainly. is it a fact of how humans came to be? absolutely not. accept it and keep digging

      August 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • fsjunkie

      For the record, I do appreciate and enjoy science. I think that science offers consistent, calculatable, and useful explanations that help us understand, exploit, and manipulate the physical world. It's when you tell me that my world is all the result of coincidence and domino effect that you lose me. How such a belief can be thought to not require a measure of faith equal to that of religion is an inconsistent conclusion. "You'll never know the scientific explanation, but you know there is one." Just remember that your explanation needs to go back to "nothingness", which does not include gas or slime.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Ned Flanders

      @flk thanks for the additional nonsense. statements like "science is the mind of god" add nothing to a critical debate. One can provide thoroughly competent scientific data to prove that the earth is 4.54 billion years old. can you point me to something similar to prove that "science is the mind of god"?

      August 28, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Ned Flanders

      and to be fair to both of you (I've made a point to pretty mean-spirited thus far), I have always found evolutionary science and the concept of the big bang to be very very confusing and deep. I just find it sad that so many Americans run from such an intellectual challenge. If you try to understand it, you just might!

      August 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      Hey Ned.... Where is this missing link they have been looking for ever since this THEORY came about ? To believe in evolution do you know how much faith you have to have ? What are the chances that every male and female species evolved at the perfcect rate with each other to keep the species going ? How many years did the penis take to evolve yet the species managed to stay in existense ? I could go on and on.... Sounds like evolutions have alot of faith.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      Ned, I like your last comment on trying to understand it. I was once in your shoes. I really looked into both thoughts of creation/evolution. Give the other a try, You may just understand a bit more.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Ned Flanders

      @flatpicker your statement indicates almost no grasp of the foundations of evolutionary theory. You could really learn alot online instead of just wasting your time (like I am right now). Today's lesson, look of the term "gene flow" on wikipedia. really interesting stuff I feel.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      Sorry Ned. The"Gene Flow" just doesn't cut it. You have more "Faith" not "Fact" than I do!

      August 28, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Jeff Williams

      """Anyone who believes that evolutionary theory isn't sufficiently proven doesn't understand the facts."""

      It's quite clear from the rhetoric here that most of these deniers have very little understanding of what's going on in science. Like the people who bring up the "missing link" (that's so mid-19th century) or ask why there are monkeys if we evolved from monkeys. They are totally ignorant of the subject.

      I highly encourage any of you who deny the validity of evolutionary theory to READ. Just read SOMETHING! The body of literature available in all the sciences supporting it will blow your mind.

      Get a subscription to a more basic magazine like Popular Science, for example. But at least make an effort.

      Believe me, we can tell when we're arguing with someone who hasn't done their homework. You sound really, really – i g n o r a n t.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • fsjunkie

      Imagine that...I didn't miss anything while I was away. Lol. Ned, you may think or you may have intended to be mean-spirited, but I didn't take it as such. You see...when you believe in something that's based upon individual experience that some random person on the Internet comes along and vehemently even denies that you've experienced, you just chalk it up as ignorance and nothing more. I've come to realize that the athiest argument is usually about 1 percent persuasion and about 99 percent self-serving...you have to hear it and sell it to yourself repeatedly, whereas I already know what I know. Now, If I were suddenly free from the "shackles of religion", I wouldn't turn to a life devoted to it. My 2 cents.

      August 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • Jerome Haltom

      fsjunkie, induction is not faith, and faith is not induction.

      August 28, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
  19. Light up or leave me alone

    Fox is #1 because the people watching don't know how to change channels.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  20. fsjunkie

    Scientist = reverse engineer. God = engineer. Any questions? I love science. God was gracious enough to design a world that we could figure out how to manipulate and exploit. If your explanation of the origin of life or the origin of the universe begins with anything but "nothingness" (like gases or pools of slime), you're just guessing and your faith is no better than mine. Sorry I don't take I.O.U.s.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • butch

      What gives you the authority to set the "if, then" properties in this debate? You have absolutely zero proof that your god exists. You have absolutely zero archeological evidence that Jesus even existed. We have archeological evidence for the existence of almost all revered historical figures dating back to the stone age. There is, however, not one single shred of archeological evidence that proves Jesus Christ ever existed. That's one strong foundation your belief system is founded on. (Note the sarcasm)

      August 28, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • OrangeG

      Provide any credible, reproducible, verifiable evidence for creationism or so-called intelligent design (which is nothing but warmed over creationism to feed to the ignorant). Why would you accept as true anything without solid evidence? Your 'faith' argument is just waffling. Explain why you think science is just faith. Please avoid regurgitating already discredited blather from creationist web sites. You clearly have no clue how science works.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      Butch – Are you kidding me ? You must be really clueless to say that Christ did not even exist ? His split time in our current world ? Our dating system is after his name ? There are many secular historians that mention him. To say he never even exiisted really shows your intelligence. I would brush up some on the subject before I made remarks like that.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Jeff Williams

      """There are many secular historians that mention him."""

      NO. This is not true. There is but one obscure reference that MIGHT mention him (it's not obvious) in a non-religious text, and even that one is subject to intense debate.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • fsjunkie

      Too bad I didn't stick around to debate a couple of these posts. I'll keep it simple: you have your faith, and I have mine. The difference is that I acknowledge mine as such. I studied enough science up through my Masters degree and beyond to find out that I enjoy it, but to also appreciate how much it reflects the limits of our intellectual capacity as human beings. You can't even have this debate..there aren't even words in our collective vocabularies to discuss those things that I believe are answered by religion and you believe are answered by science. You are comfortable accepting your faith in the scientific method and the laws that we recognize in science to be capable of one day answering those questions about origins "evolving" from "nothingness". I'm comfortable with believing that my world and beyond with all of its complexities were not ultimately the result of coincidence and domino effect. Agree to disagree.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • T-Max73

      No, the engineers are the natural laws which govern natural selection via random genetic mutation. A lifetime of indoctrination has left you with damaged critical faculties.

      August 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • OrangeG

      Cop out. No explanation, no evidence. Not enough science; glad you enjoyed it. Your 'faith' in your opinion, based on nothing you can verify or demonstrate to anyone else is more convincing to you than what can be observed with your 5 senses (the only ones you have, unless you have compelling evidence to suggest you are somehow special compared to the rest of us). Nice that you're comfortable with your unverifiable mental construct. Pin your flawed logic on that. You clearly won't listen to any vocabulary that challenges your views. Science is about challenging views, no matter what you make up without evidence to mischaracterize science. Good that you didn't stick around to debate, since you don't think you're up to it. You're not. Like real science, sensible, serious debate relies on evidence.

      August 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • fsjunkie

      Orange, you can talk until you're blue in the face, you will never prove anything...you will simply string words together and apparently have orgasms. You are a man of faith (in man). Deal with it.

      August 28, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • OrangeG

      Hmm. Must have touched a nerve. You must be blue in the face. Can't you follow my string of words? Thanks for the juvenile insult. I've provided evidence for (proved?) plenty, in my work as a real scientist, and in your responses. You still have no evidence and plenty of fantasy. Deal with it.

      You are undeniably correct about one thing: We are way beyond talking past each other at this point. So I agree to disagree.

      August 28, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      Jeff Williams – I believe you are wrong. The Jewish Historian Josephus mentions him. Roman senator Tacitus mentions him. To say that Jesus never existed is ignorant.

      August 29, 2012 at 9:10 am |
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