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 Commenters were fired up about Bill Nye, creationism and evolution.
August 28th, 2012
10:37 AM ET
Your Take: 5 reactions to Bill Nye's creationism critiqueBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN) - Bill Nye does not think that children should be taught to deny evolution, and a YouTube video of him explaining why has gone viral. The CNN Belief Blog's report on the video has generated around 10,000 comments and thousands of Facebook shares since Monday. There were some broad themes in the comments, reflecting a debate that is largely unique to the United States. While Christianity is booming in Africa, Asia and Latin America, creationism is not, Penn State University religious studies professor Philip Jenkins writes in his book "The New Faces of Christianity: Believing the Bible in the Global South." Here are five schools of reaction that have emerged in comments: 1. Those using this controversy to bash religion Atheists love the Internet, as we've chronicled on the Belief Blog. While they may be a small portion of the population, they seem to make up about half our commenters. It was their chance to join with Nye and cheer him on:
2. Those who say wait a minute, being a creationist isn’t necessarily being anti-evolution Lots of folks from the theistic evolution camp came out to say that believing God was involved doesn't automatically make you anti-evolution.
3. Those who say that science is stupid and that young Earth creationism rules Young Earth creationists, who believe the Earth is about 6,000 years old, appeared to be out in force in the comments.
4. Those who say Nye should stick to his area of expertise This tweet was the most polite remark we could find on this subject. Other comments and tweets, not so much.
[tweet https://twitter.com/watsup1101/status/240168918109523968%5D 5. Those who say CNN is cooking up controversy where none exists Lots of people suggested we were generating a story instead of covering one.
For the record, plenty of other news outlets covered this story, pointing out that Nye's video was posted on YouTube just before the Republican National Convention opened. Turns out that Nye taped the segment awhile back and had no say in when it would be released. Thanks for chiming in. The comments are open here, and you can always hit us up on Twitter @CNNBelief. soundoff (2,811 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 Next »
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Prayer changes things .
actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time.
No it doesn't, you lie.
I don't have the rest of his post to refute your sorry azz, but that will do until he sees your post and rubuts you.
So pray for some imagination
biffyfink is the greatest waste on this planet. 250,000 sperm and that one got through talk about a pathetic gene pool.
Deeds by truth absolute are wing's for prayer, without true deed's, prayer is nothing more than word's.
I'm agnostic – can not prove god exist or not
what I meant – rather than keep debating – just wait – all of us will die and then we know if God exists or not
but my conclusion:
Atheist = mostly arogant, selfish and nasty
theist = not rational, but mostly they are nice and gullible
@truth – I am also agnostic. It appears to be the most logical position I can take for myself. But I have to disagree with the generalizations you have for both groups.
There are thoughtful, caring Atheists as well as rational Christians.
Still waiting for evidence for the claims made by creationists. Oh yes, and evidence that it was their god and only their god that was the "creator". Without such things, it's just like watching little children insisting that their imaginary friend is the bestest! Mr. Marrapodi, I don't "bash" religion. I show how ignorant and hypocritical its believers are. Until they can show that their and only their religion is the "right' one, they are only passing on myths, no more creative or true than those about Zeus, Odin, Tezcatlipoca, etc. Young earth creationists attack old earth ones, Christians bray that their god and religion is the only one while ignoring that their religion makes the same baseless claims as others.
Now, unless you want to admit that it's just as much "bashing" to tell someone of another religion that they are wrong, exactly what creationists do, or that it's bashing to tell a child that the tooth fairy doesn't exist, you are simply one more apologist trying to play martyr.
There are no Two truth, but one, Truth absolute, every one is dependent on for existence, one has to be a hindu, brain less, not to be able to recognize "HIM" God, the truth absolute, ruler of the world.
"There are no Two truth, but one, Truth absolute, every one is dependent on for existence, one has to be a hindu, brain less, not to be able to recognize "HIM" God, the truth absolute, ruler of the world."
What meds are you one and can I have some please?
There is only one dark matter, spirit, for every one or thing to be, seek not by your hindu soul, selfish desire, what was not meant to be by truth absolute, God, the creator, you have no choice but to obey truth absolute, or, be not even to be able to be a particle of dust by your own.
and more baseless nonsense from religion. Thanks.
If Creationism is correct, then God is a complete idiot. Why would God make whales with lungs, instead of just giving them gills to live in the water? It's not like they live any part of their lives on land! If God created frogs to have 4 legs, how can a frog grow 10 legs, because chemicals introduced to their environments has impact on their biology? If God created humans to have 2 eyes, 2 arms, and 2 legs, with 10 fingers and 10 toes, a pregnant mother smoking and drinking alcohol shouldn't be able to have an effect on God's creation. The malformations due to environmental or chemical changes, are controlled by the exact same mechanisms within an organism that allow for adaptation to a new environment... Evolution
Every hindu, ignorant has a question, but hindu, ignorant never a creator, looking for faults but never able to substantiate his own hinduism, ignorance.
Rob, did you see that the fundies want to change this?!?
I wish I had an link to the article, but a group of fundies wants to have whales reclassified as fish because the bible clearly states that Jonah was swollowed by a fish.
Can you friggin believe that?
I we can, as their stupidity knows no bounds.
It seems the more science progresses the more the fundies regress.
Not only why give them lungs, but why give them hip bones?
Have fun, gotta go, and remember what Ringo says- "Peace and Love"- at noon every day!
Remember also what I say...Yooz Yer Brain! That's what no one gave it to you for!
knowledge is the truth absolute and truth absolute is the God, limit less, sovereign and architect of every thing existing. Every thing in existence is dependent on "HIM", Truth absolute, "THE GOD HIMSELF". Not a hypothesis such as hindu ignorant evolution but proven by science. denier of truth absolute are none but hindu's, criminals.
Sad that the priest-class has done this to you, Islam person, but knowledge will defeat your hatred and ignorance. Embrace that and grow to fulfill god's real plan for you (to put it in your language), that is- to use your brain! First, read history, lots and lots of history from everywhere and all times. Good luck. Peace and love.
Every hindu, ignorant finds fault with others, but never able to see his own hinduism, denial of truth absolute, cause of Mayhem among humanity.
Oh and don't forget Devolution guy, that in science the word Theory has a stronger connotation than the word Law, as theory is a body constantly added to. In the case of evolution, there have been many additions but no subtractions from the working mechanism. And it's been co-verified by experimentation in other scientific regimes, particularly genetic molecular biology where the mutated chromosome that points to our break with the other primates has indeed been identified. There is no more argument. Check out the case of the school board in Pennslyvania being sued by their teachers when they tried to mandate creationism in the classroom. It's over. Sorry.
Word Law, is hinduism, corruption of Word La, limit absolute, undeniable fact, proven by science, Peace, Islam is in following of La, truth absolute, not following of law, hinduism, denial of truth absolute by hindu Jew's, criminal secular s.
Its been over for a long time Brian, but the fundies just can't let go of their stone age myths.
Actually, I bet you could have a more insightful conversation with a stone age guy then any of the current fundies.
Funny thing, even though they refute science, they certainly use it to make their lives longer/better.
Sciecne is pushing them further and further into a corner. But like a cornered animal, they will lash out.
The only thing a "loving" fundie understands is a clenched fist.
By the way, inconveniently on the quantum physics side of things, matter DOES just pop into existence out of nothing. Measureable in a previously empty time and space with mass and energy. Damn. Must be Adad making tiny shi ite just for fun, right? To give me something to do with my god-given braims....
By Quantum physics, matter can not exist with dark matter, The spirit, The soft ware, No programmer of soft ware, no program, no program, spirit, no physical matter, denial of truth absolute is hinduism, illegality and way of hindu's, criminals in their hindu Judaism,. filthy secularism.
please read without, not with.
BTW, the theory of evolution is actually a model. If we reject creation, it is the best model we can come up with for explaining the origins of life, but it is just that – a model. Real scientists acknowledge that it is a working model and as such, has flaws that need to be addressed by improvements to the existing model, or by discarding the model in favor of another, better model.
This, of course, is bullshit. A theory is not a model. And your bigger mistake is thinking evolution has anything to do with the origins of life. Evolution only deals with the diversification of life. Abiogenesis deals with the origins of life.
The fundamental problem with Creationism is that it is based on – nothing. It's just a very old idea – period.
the TRUTH – Atheist – Theist
By 2100 – when all of us in this forum die – we will know if God exists or not so take your side.
Why do you have to pick a side? Can't I just die? Geeeez...... you guys have to make EVERYTHING stressful?
I almost wish there was a god. I would love to watch your face when you die and you find out that for all these years you have been worshipping the wrong god.
I'm agnostic – can not prove god exist or not
what I meant – rather than keep debating – just wait – all of us will die and then we know if God exists or not
but my conclusion:
atheist = arogant
theist = not rational
Agnostic = a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
Atheist = mostly arogant, selfish and nasty
theist = not rational, but mostly they are nice and gullible
@The truth
It is both arrogant and irrational to claim to be able to accurately describe two groups of people based on a sampling of a religion message board.
the TRUTH = victim of the hasty generalization fallacy.
sounds almost like Pascal's Wager you're suggesting here. nice one 😛
I'm not victim of "hasty generalization fallacy."
just read all the comment then decide:
I have counted (just in this forum): 80% comment by atheist nasty, arrogant think highly of their intelligent
70% comment by theist not rational but they don't call names
I side with science. Period.
Your fairy tale does not interest me at all.
You can hang out with your imaginary friend all you want.
Just stop pushing it on me. I don't want it as a friend.
you stick to science and "HAVE FAITH" on other scientist observation that I call some sort of religion my friend
I am agnostic in that I do not know if there are gods, spririts or other beings not apparent to us, or not.
I am atheist in that I choose to not believe in those things. I make that choice based on a lack of reason to believe in them, a lack of evidence.
Many theists are agnostic but make a choice to believe. Why? And how do they choose from the infinite number of possible paradigms we cannot prove?
@ nojinx – wow that's deep.
Your reason makes me a little bit atheist but it does not make 100% atheist. NDE for me would be great – but most NDE will result in theist. I DON'T KNOW
The truth
Are you agnostic about the existence of other gods, elves, the Boogie Man, the tooth fairy, Jedi, the Borg, vampires ...
Being "agnostic" means that you don't believe that anything is imaginary.
@truth
Like I said, all you did is read comments. And you then generalized your opinion of these comments to all atheist and theist. That is both arrogant and irrational.
The problem is people seem to think that theists believe in god and atheists do not.... this is not so...
I am an atheist and I believe the entire universe is god and that their indeed some sort of "DNA like" substance inside atoms that are preprogrammed to make galaxies, stars, planets... and eventually life...
But organised religion is not about that.... Religion is books written by men, who maintain that god dictated his rules to them and asked them to write them down for others.... and if you follow the rules written in there, you (and only you) will get to spend eternity with god and all your dead relatives in a disney land in the sky.... and those who don't follow the rules, rot in hell forever...this is what theists believe...and it is without doubt, truly ridiculous and childish!!!!
It is plain to me that if their was a creator....he has given the universe basic rules...and gave it "a life of it's own"
You're not an atheist. You're a Pantheist.
It appears I am !! thanks D! Didn't know that there was a term for that...
now prove it
Well? Where are all the responses against my post? Adad got your tongue?
You are very smart.
but don't worry in 100 more years or less we will figure it if God exists or not.
at the moment when Christopher Hitchen dead he uttered this word: (choose one)
1. OOPS
2. Nothing – God does not exists and MAN JUST A TALKING MONKEY
Clearly he would have nothing to say – he was dead and god doesn't exist.
You do realise that the closest to humans are apes and our evolutionary path also includes fish and other mammals.
Or maybe a better way to put it would be, "If you aren't going to learn science, PLEASE learn history, for OUR sake!"
Knowledge will help you to fight the fear the priest-class inculcates in you to maintain their power. It's all lies! Read history!
knowledge is the truth absolute and truth absolute is the God, limit less, sovereign and architect of every thing existing. Every thing in existence is dependent on "HIM", Truth absolute, "THE GOD HIMSELF". Not a hypothesis such as hindu ignorant evolution but proven by science.
" Every thing in existence is dependent on "HIM", Truth absolute, "THE GOD HIMSELF". Not a hypothesis such as hindu ignorant evolution but proven by science."
First, I am not dependent on "him". Second please provide scientific sources for your statements. Me thinks you cant
It's funny to me to read people arguing this and that about Genesis and anything in the bible. HELLO- it's ALL an outgrowth of Sumerian mythology as Abraham was a 4th generation priest of Utu (Adad, that is Yahweh) who was caught up in the political upheaval in Sumeria of his new king Ur Nammu choosing to worship one of the other gods of the pantheon over Utu. That is, Ur-Nammu needed allies and the priesthood of the god Nannar (represented by the crescent moon- familiar?) were politically and economically more accomodating to him and would help him consolidate his political power. Abraham and his papa, being with the now politically less-powerful priest clique, had to leave and go protect their priestly profits elsewhere and etc et al yubba dubba created his setup farther west, ie Palestine, got conquered by invading kings because of his incompetence, watched Adad destroy the Siddim Valley with a weapon of mass destruction, and then lovingly tossed his son Ishmael when Adad decided he didn't want an alliance with Egypt any more. Ishmael's mom is Egyptian (Arab). Supposedly, Adad pregnafied 90-something Mrs Abraham to create Isaac and the line of Hebrews/us blah blah blah, none of it just appeared. There is a human historical/political/economic background to all of this mythology so stop quoting the Bible as some big mystery of supernatural creation, it's just a continuation of an older mythology based on human politics. LEARN HISTORY for GOD's sake!
Pregnafied is my new favorite word.
I love these so called "Christian Believers" telling us what to think about the universe. These same christians, trolling for little boys in a house of "worship"? Where was your god then? Maybe busy creating more in the universe? You religious nuts are all very sad. You're kids will end up paying the price when they work and McDonalds as an adult, and then you can talk to your god again.....
You sound bitter jay.
Go Bill! We need ten thousand more like you.
Give your children what to think and they will think like you.
Teach your children how to think and they will think for themselves.
Nye is a bad fig just like his mentor Sagan.
I never paid much attention to Nye; but since you compare him to Sagan, I will have to look more closely.
Sagan was a amazing human being. His insight and compassion should be ideals we all aspire to.
Isn't sagan a dead atheist guy that went t its up at a relatively young age? Blasphemy and old age must not mix.
A bad fig?
Blasphemy and all ages are a good mix.
Bad figs, if you are referring to Bill Nye and Carl Sagan, men of great intellect, then I'm sorry, your characterizations seem counterintuitive. Perhaps I can help if you let me know how you arrived at your opinion, one for which you have provided no foundation.
chris hitchens
Usually they don't mix because believers tend to murder people for blasphemy.
What's wrong with this picture? Bad figs praising bad figs.
Charles Manson is a good Christian just like his mentor, Jesus.
Wait a minute....
chris hitchens
"Isn't sagan a dead atheist guy that went t its up at a relatively young age? Blasphemy and old age must not mix."
Must be why Jesus only made it to 33, eh?
Picture on right: Rare photo of Darwin before restoration
Picture on left: Rare photo of Darwin restored Mr. Bean style
I feel it is everyone's right to believe what they want. Free will. I believe in God. Regardless as to whether you believe in him or believe in evolution, I think that it is very arrogant for anyone to believe that they have all of the answers. On the one hand, evolutionists believe that it we came about by evolution, period. There is so much to this world that we are still discovering, to think that evolution is it, period, to me is assuming quite a bit. If you believe in God and the bible, it states that after Jesus comes again, there will be new scrolls opened, which also would mean we don't know all of what God has in store for us. We might be amazed at the answers still to come if that is what you believe. Regardless, to act arrogant and to call those who believe in God as those believing in a myth is, to me, insulting and uneducated. You do not know for sure.
Please tell me, what is the difference between believing in god and believing in Zeus?
This isn't about any deity, it's about the denial of fact. I don't believe in a deity, but I don't know for certain. I do however know for certain that evolution is a fact.
Is there a book that has survived centuries about Zeus?
It isn't about the denial of fact. Fact could be that God created, and evolution came about from the creation. There are far too many holes in the evolution THEORY to call it fact. I think it is arrogance on man's part today to think they already have the answer. In 200 years from now, what we know now might be viewed as completely incorrect or barbaric.
As Far as a single compiled book I have no idea, but his stories have absolutely survived. Is your only criteria for believing in a god that he have a book? If so I would suggest Hinduism as your religion because they use the oldest holy text in existence, the Vedas which was written between 1500 and 1000 BCE.
Yes, Doom, the Greeks were a literate society. Besides, is "magic book' a qualification for truth?
I'm sure you think the Bible survived multiple attempts to be stamped out on just luck. Why do I believe? Because I don't believe a simple fact. Something could not have started from nothing.
Yes Doom, what you 'know' will be viewed as barbaric. About 85-90% of Europe already view it as barbaric.
Bible says that the path to salvation is narrow and few are the ones finding it. Just because a majority, from what you are saying in Europe don't believe doesn't make it fact.
Doom
Something can't come form nothing you say. Then where did god come from? Also, you should know that the theory of evolution does not concern it's self with the formation of the universe or abiogenesis.
Matthew 26:59
I actually meant creationism, not Christianity. I don't have numbers, but I'm pretty sure that Christians still outnumber non believers, although in Western Europe I'd say they were pretty even.
Where God came from, I don't have the answer. No one that believes in religion does. However, evolutionists take plenty on faith also. Missing sequences in the evolution of species, etc. What amazes me, is that you feel as if all the secrets of the universe are already solved, and evolution is a fact and God does not exist is another one. How arrogant. Just like those in the middle ages used leeches to "extract" diseases knew that was a cure.
No scientists claim to have THE answer. Religion (including your comments) is what claims to have the answer. Science continues asking questions, and even questioning its own conclusions. In religion it is a sin to question the conclusions. That's why science has proved so much more effective as a way to learn about reality.
@History
Would you like to add something other than a quote form your favorite comic book?
@Doom,
But it's not arrogance to say that the evidence we can observe and interpret points to evolution, and there is no evidence that points to creation, or the validity of the story of the bible. IT's not saying that we know everything, it's saying that what we do know, and the information we do have, doesn't agree with religion, and in fact contradcits much of it as written.
When a religionist calls a sceptic arrogant, the world gets a little bit more retarded.
Quote from my favorite comic book? Once again, arrogance on your part is amazing to me. I don't insult your ideas on evolution, I said that you do not have all the facts, so drawing a definitive conclusion that you are right and that's it is doing yourself a disservice. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't make the Bible a comic book. I don't know all the facts, that I will admit. Could God have started things and evolution came because of that? Sure. But you don't see me insulting you because of your "faith" in evolution.
@Doom
"Is there a book that has survived centuries about Zeus?"
Not sure about Zeus, but if age is your guide, then there are many books older than the Bible, or it's prequel the Torah, like the Epic of Gilgamesh, Egyptian Book of the Dead, or the RigVeda.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_literature)
What do you mean that their are missing sequences? No parent animal gives birth to a new species it happen slowly and imperceptibly over millions of years. The nest part of your post is a straw man of my position. I never said that science had all the answers, just the answer to this particular question. and you conclude with an ad hominem and a red hearing.
Huebert, you are picking and choosing things to discuss. I'm done debating anything to someone that insults me for my beliefs. That's why I call you arrogant.
@Doom
That insult wasn't directed at you it was directed at Repeating History. It bugs me when believers post a bible verse and then run away.
Questioning fact is insulting to science, and is therefore very insulting to those who adhere to science, i.e. the truth. So yes Doom, your retardedness is insulting to 'evolutionists'.
You call me arrogant, I call you a gullible fool. Personally I'd rather be arrogant.
"It isn't about the denial of fact."
Yes it is.
" Fact could be that God created, and evolution came about from the creation."
Could be, but Nye was addressing creationists that complety deny evolution.
"There are far too many holes in the evolution THEORY to call it fact. "
You don't know what a theory means. BTW there are "holes" in everything we know. We know everything about nothing. That's not a weakness.
"I think it is arrogance on man's part today to think they already have the answer. "
When it comes to if life evolved or were created in our current state, we have the answer
"In 200 years from now, what we know now might be viewed as completely incorrect or barbaric.
Anti gay marriage, anti choice anti evolution...the list goes on
Doom, what are the holes in the evolution theory?
Rufus
Crickets chirping. The whole 'missing link' concept is BS.
"If you believe in God and the bible, it states that after Jesus comes again, there will be new scrolls opened, which also would mean we don't know all of what God has in store for us. We might be amazed at the answers still to come if that is what you believe."
Doom, I am Jesus and I have come back. They call me SCIENCE now. The scrolls have been opened, go read them. I told you, you will be amazed by the answers, and the answer is I am just your imagination!
" think that it is very arrogant for anyone to believe that they have all of the answers"
You would fit right in with most atheist thinkers.
Doom
You ask is there a book that has survived for centuries – Yup, I got some, of the Hindus, their gods walked the earth at least 5000 years before your Jesus did.
He has to keep his expectatoins of evolution to be impossible. He wants every single fossil of every animal ever lined up. Since he knows we don't have that, he's going to hide there comfortably and ignore all the other evidence we do have.
" think that it is very arrogant for anyone to believe that they have all of the answers"
Yet here are all the christians claiming that their god is the answer. I guess that's the sort of arrogance one can expect from someone who believes that a being with the power to create the universe is watching them 24/7 to make sure they obey laws written down by a specific group of ancient Middle-Easterners, and that there is a special paradise waiting for them where they can live forever when they die.
@Doom
You said, "I feel it is everyone's right to believe what they want."
Agreed.
You said, "I believe in God. Regardless as to whether you believe in him or believe in evolution, I think that it is very arrogant for anyone to believe that they have all of the answers."
Believing in gods and "believing in evolution" aren't mutually exclusive. The theory of evolution doesn't preclude a divine start. It's is the literal biblical creation story that is obvious baloney and incompatible with science.
Also, very few who "believe in evolution" claim to have all the answers. Having "all the answers" is more of a religious thing.
You said, "On the one hand, evolutionists believe that it we came about by evolution, period."
Not true. You seem to have a poor grasp of the theory, and of scientific theory in general. You should really do some reading.
You said, "There is so much to this world that we are still discovering, to think that evolution is it, period, to me is assuming quite a bit."
The theory of evolution describes the processes that have shaped the biological systems of the world as we see them today. In the scientific world there is very little disagreement over the basic mechanisms of evolution.
You said, "If you believe in God and the bible, it states that after Jesus comes again, there will be new scrolls opened, which also would mean we don't know all of what God has in store for us."
There is absolutely no reason to believe anything from the bible. It is all myth and hearsay. There isn't a single shred of evidence even suggesting that your god actually exists. All you have is your unfounded belief.
You said, "Regardless, to act arrogant and to call those who believe in God as those believing in a myth is, to me, insulting and uneducated."
Dismissing beliefs in gods isn't arrogant, or uneducated. It is the rational (and often educated) thing to do. Because, unless there is evidence to support your claim it is unreasonable to believe it to be true. Without evidence, all you have is a myth. Believing it in spite of contradicting evidence is even irrational. Based on all available evidence, your god is equally likely to exist as the Tooth Fairy. Hell, even Santa Claus and the Abominable Snowman are more likely to exist.
You said, "You do not know for sure."
Rational minds will readily accept that. But just because we don't know for sure, doesn't mean we should give equal weight to any old bullshit story.
Its about making stuff up and believing in something because of your ego without a scrap of evidence. There is the same amount of proof for all the >3,000 invented known religions and the only reason you pick the god of Abraham is because someone told you to.
@Doom:
"Is there a book that has survived centuries about Zeus?"
If your argument really is "oldest religious book proves the validity of that book" then you should really convert to Hinduism because the Rigveda is much older than the Bible and still in use. Going on about 3500 years now in written form. That's a full 1000 years older than many parts of even the Old testament. The Zoroastrian Avesta dates back in written form to about 1000 BCE, though in oral form much longer. Why don't you believe those, out of curiosity?
Doom
The Genesis creation story is the product of humans, either out of whole cloth, or coming from Moses' mind, as tradition has it. Why is this story any more trustworthy than the Hindu, Greek, Native-American, Polynesian, Chinese, African or any of the hundreds of other creation stories that you shrug off as mere "myth"?
You woulda thought that there would have been divine intervention when a tsunami killed a quarter million Indonesians.
You woulda thought that there would have been divine intervention when the Nazis were incinerating six million Jews.
What is the "God of the Week" 's name now? Zeus? Posiedon? QuetzlLcoatl? Hathor? Isis? Anubis? Guan-Yu? Cocomama? Atlas? Cronus? Buddha? Krishna? Shango? Bumba? ARE YOU GETTING IT NOW? I will lay your soul to waste. Trust me. I'm the devil.
Doom wrote, " Bible says that the path to salvation is narrow and few are the ones finding it."
How lovely. So your god purposefully creates billions and billions of people for the sole purpose of torturing them for all eternity.
What a swelll guy.
Doom, you make a good point. It is arrogant to think one has all the answers.
It is as bad as assuming something is true when someone has no answers on said truth. Arrogance.
America WILL be left behind in the scientific race if we don't discard these myths about our "creation". It's just stories in a book people. Silly stories at that. When will we grow up as a country and stop believing bed time stories. This is why we have to laugh at religious people to their faces and not just on the internet. It's time to stop being nice and make them feel ashamed of themselves. Teaching children Creationism is child abuse and sacrifice of their future. These comments by people trying to put evolution and creation of one man and one woman on the same footing make me the angriest. The two ideas have NOTHING to do with eachother. When will we wake up?
The funny thing is though, as ludicrous as creationism is, all humans alive today are descended from one man and one woman, Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve.
True, Rational Libertarian, one woman at about 200,000 years ago, and one man at about 60,000 years ago. But, given evolution, that must be true right? All the mammals can trace DNA back to a single lineage of cold-blooded ancestors too. The very foundation of evolutionary biology is that all things are related and any two organisms (e.g., a porpoise and a dandelion) share a common ancestor at some point in their lineage. Things that are most closely related (two modern humans, for example) share a more recent common ancestor. This is how DNA verified the evolutionary tree.
Agreed, I just find it fascinating. I think we should point out to any creationards (is that a new term?) who will look at all humans being related to one man and one woman as some vindication for their belief that Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve were NOT the only humans at their time, they are just the only ones with an unbroken lineage.
Right. Maybe the author of Genesis created a decent allegory (it was clear even to him that living things come from earlier living things). The strongest allegory I see in Genesis – so strong that it borders on prescient – is the recognition that knowledge is the antidote to faith. Seeking knowledge is so threatening to religious belief that it must be presented as the greatest of sins.
Rob wants to crucify Jesus again Matthew 26:59
Will be? It already is. We're coasting on a decreasing inertia at this point. If you look at new tech investment and new businesses starting up in the tech sector, the US is declining year over year and Asia and parts of Europe are on the rise. We're the UK during the decline of the Victorian era–still on top, but fat, comfortable, and shrinking, unable to see the global change coming or else unwilling to do anything to stay ahead of it. Without some serious change in our education and tech policies, another 50 years and we'll be the UK today, still a cool place, but not near as much a global powerhouse, keeping up but not leading, competent but not the go-to place for new ideas and success.
Really? Belief in evolution and ability to solve engineering or other scientific problems are inextricably linked? Tell that to Galileo, Newton and a host of other scientists who grew up before evolutionist thought even existed. The fact that there are opposing viewpoints is actually healthy, IMO, as they stimulate research and discourage complacency. I don't begrudge Nye or anyone else their right to express their views, but to discount someone's ability to contribute to science because they disagree with you is the height of arrogance.
What a fallacious argument Devo. Newton and Galileo lived before evolution was discovered certainly, but they'd believe in it now because it's a fact. Sure someone can be a good engineer without believing in evolution, but it would signify some sort of mental deficiency which prohibits the acceptance of fact, something which would be greatly detrimental to a scientist.
Rational: You saying it is so don't make it so – and you argument does nothing to counter my argument, which is simply that holding a differing world view has little or nothing to do with a person's problem-solving ability.