Romney speech touches on faith
August 30th, 2012
06:24 PM ET

Romney speech touches on faith

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Tampa, Florida (CNN) - In a few hours the spotlight will shine on Mitt Romney at the Tampa Bay Times Forum and in excerpts released of his acceptance speech the GOP presidential nominee is shedding light on his personal faith.

In the excerpts, Romney a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, plans to speak often of his faith although the excepts make no mention of the LDS Church or Mormonism by name.

But Romney, who has both led a Mormon congregation as a bishop and a regional group of churches as stake president, will speak to specific practices of his church and his experiences.

"Like a lot of families in a new place with no family, we found kinship with a wide circle of friends through our church. When we were new to the community it was welcoming and as the years went by, it was a joy to help others who had just moved to town or just joined our church," the excepts say.

A common practice in Mormon churches is to organize local congregants to help church members move, both in packing up at the old location and moving into the new one.

Convention’s Mormon speakers expected to shed light on Romney’s faith life

"We had remarkably vibrant and diverse congregations of all walks of life and many who were new to America. We prayed together, our kids played together and we always stood ready to help each other out in different ways," Romney also says.

Attendance at Mormon services is based on location as opposed to preference. Unlike many other denominations in the United States, there is no church-shopping among Mormons. Members are assigned to wards near their homes. As a result wards, or church meeting houses, can be much more reflective of the neighborhoods where they reside.

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"And that’s how it is in America. We look to our communities, our faiths, our families for our joy, our support, in good times and bad. It is both how we live our lives and why we live our lives. The strength and power and goodness of America has always been based on the strength and power and goodness of our communities, our families, our faiths," the campaign said Romney will also say.

Before Romney delivers his speech, other Mormons will be featured in the evening's events. Ken and Priscilla Hutchins, who served with Romney at the same ward in Massachusetts will deliver the invocation to begin the evening.

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  1. AvdBerg

    Mitt Romney’s faith does not stand in the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ but rather in an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13).

    For a better understanding of the history of the Mormon Church and the spirit it serves we invite you to read the article ‘Mormon Church – Cult and Spiritual Harlot’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom the people of this world have been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    August 31, 2012 at 5:58 am |
    • Dwight Rogers

      Note what Mormons believe taken from their own sources:

      Alma 22:14 (from the Book of Mormon)
      14 And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins, through faith and repentance, and so forth; and that he breaketh the bands of death, that the grave shall have no victory, and that the sting of death should be swallowed up in the hopes of glory; and Aaron did expound all these things unto the king.

      2 Nephi 25:23 (from the Book of Mormon)
      23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.

      2 Nephi 24:26 (from the Book of Mormon)
      "We talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." (2 Nephi 25:26)

      2 Nephi 10:24-25 (From the Book of Mormon):

      24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved.
      25 Wherefore, may God raise you from death by the power of the resurrection, and also from everlasting death by the power of the atonement, that ye may be received into the eternal kingdom of God, that ye may praise him through grace divine. Amen.

      September 4, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Dwight Rogers

      Reverand Jeffress said. "And I still maintain there are vast differences in theology between Mormons and Christians."

      This seems to be a common view among many Christians and actually they are right to say that there are some major differences, although there are more similarities than differences. However, there are also vast differences between current Christianity and Early Christianity.

      If Christianity means “historic orthodox mainstream Christianity” of today then I would agree that Mormonism is not historic Christianity; at least not in every doctrine. Although Mormons have much in common with other Christians Mormons also believe differently than historic Christians in some key areas. But the real questions to ask are 1) What is original Christianity? 2) Is mainstream Christianity of today the same as original Christianity? It turns out that Joseph Smith was right. Mormonism is a restoration of Original Christianity. It is not my intent to criticize Christians of today. However, with all the criticism of Mormonism it is important to notice that in many areas of belief Mormons are closer to original Christianity than are most Christians of today.

      Mormons believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Our first Article of Faith states: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. However “Trinity’ is a word that is not found in the Bible. Nor are the definitions and wording formulations in the extra-Biblical creeds found in the Bible. In 325 AD a council of about 300 (out of 1800 serving) bishops gathered in Nicea at the request of the pagan Emperor Constantine and formulated a creed that tried to reconcile the Biblical statements that there three persons called “God” and yet there was “one” God. They then forced all Christians to accept their solution as “gospel”, with varying results. Theological debates and other councils continued to tweak the concept for centuries which produced additional creeds.

      September 4, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Dwight Rogers

      Mormons are not supposed to be Christian because we have some doctrinal differences with other Christian groups of today. The foundation for the beliefs of these other groups is the creeds of the 4th. 5th, and 6th centuries and so on.

      For example; in the Westminster Confession of Faith, which is a non-Biblical creed, we read that "there is but one God, a most holy spirit, without body, parts or passions," thus denying the resurrected Christ, for if Christ is not risen and we do not believe him when he tells us that he has an immortal body, we can then have no hope of a resurrection (Phil 3:21.)

      Contrary to the creeds, the resurrected Jesus taught: "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39)

      From this passage we know that Jesus had his physical body after the resurrection. We also know that when Christ comes again, he will still have his physical body. (Zech. 14:4; 12:10; 13:6; John 20:24-28, Acts 1:9-11; Rev 1:7; 1 Cor. 15:3-8, 12-20, 35-42; D&C 93:33).

      September 4, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Dwight Rogers

      In many areas of belief (probably the majority of areas) Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe the same as most other Christians. It is true that in some limited areas – some very critical ones – the beliefs of Mormons differ from other Christians. Likewise there are some major areas of difference between Catholics and Protestants and likewise between one Protestant group and the next. Every denomination could make the claim that the other groups are not Christian because those other beliefs differ from their own.

      Joseph Smith taught “The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it”. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 121).

      The central belief of Mormons is that Christ came into the world as the Son of God. He healed the sick, caused the lame to walk, the blind to see, the deaf to hear, and restored life to the dead. He commissioned twelve Apostles to whom he gave authority. He suffered in Gethsemane, died on the cross, and was resurrected and will come again. He, and only He, provides the means for us to be washed clean in his blood from our sins, which sins we can never correct on our own or through our own works. If that is not Christian I don’t know what is. Christ never taught the need to believe in anything like the creeds. Those came later.

      Mormon belief is very much like the teachings of the earlier Christians – before the creeds – and also matches the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. The further back in time you go the more Mormon-like Christian doctrine becomes. Mormons are often portrayed as non-Christian when we don’t believe in the later extra-Biblical creedal formulations.

      September 4, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Dwight Rogers

      2 Nephi 11:7 (From the Book of Mormon)
      7 For if there be no Christ there be no God; and if there be no God we are not, for there could have been no creation. But there is a God, and he is Christ, and he cometh in the fulness of his own time.

      2 Nephi 26:12(From the Book of Mormon)
      12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;

      September 4, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Dwight Rogers

      The main purpose and emphasis of the Book of Mormon is to testify of the Jesus of the Bible and to convince people to believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

      Mormon 7:9 (From the Book of Mormon)
      9 For behold, this [The Book of Mormon] is written for the intent that ye may believe that [The Bible]; and if ye believe that [The Bible] ye will believe this [The Book of Mormon] also; and if ye believe this ye will know concerning your fathers, and also the marvelous works which were wrought by the power of God among them.

      September 4, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
  2. Ronald Regonzo

    Romney spoke and I think sean hannity wet himself. Romney / Ryan 2012

    August 31, 2012 at 4:28 am |
    • Hahahahahahahaha

      Reagan put the CON in CONservative. Hahahahahahahaha

      August 31, 2012 at 10:18 am |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    August 31, 2012 at 4:20 am |
    • Eric

      It really does.

      August 31, 2012 at 4:23 am |
    • Warning! Zealidiots Near!

      Eric and Prayer Troll – stupid in stereo.

      August 31, 2012 at 4:31 am |
    • stupid followed to its logical conclusion

      becomes atheism

      August 31, 2012 at 4:34 am |
    • stupid follows from being


      August 31, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • Agnostic Atheism is Healthy for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

      Actually, agnostic atheism is very healthy for children.

      It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, are just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about; and that there are a lot of weak-minded know-it-all's running around the world who have been deceived.

      Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).

      So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.

      mama kindless

      August 31, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  4. allredj

    With all the media attention on Mormonism, I'd suggest to anyone that they find a fellow Mormon and ask them questions about what we believe. I'm a Mormon and am always happy to answer questions about my faith. (Twitter: @jason_allred)

    Being a Mormon has brought me closer to my Savior, Jesus Christ. It has also helped me develop a love for others. I am grateful to have had a spiritual witness from God that what I believe is true.

    August 31, 2012 at 2:07 am |
    • Okey Dokey

      Do you wear garments, and do you actually believe they have some supernatural effect?

      How much money do you give the church? Is there strong social stigma to not give?

      Tell us about those baptisms for the dead, and proxy marriages of dead people, most of whom would not want your zealotry inflicted upon them. Why did all the head Nazis get baptized as Mormons? Why did you marry Buddha to "Mrs. Buddha"? Why do you continue to baptize Jews despite repeatedly promising them you would stop?

      Why is rape such a major problem amongst Mormons in Utah? Why is porn consumption so high there? How about the very high rates of anti-depressant use amongst Mormons? (Google all this if you don't believe it)?

      Why can't you see the obvious, that Joseph Smith was a treasure-digging con man before he ever started inventing Mormonism, and that he made it all up, including a lot of archaeological assertions that are so wildly wrong that they are downright stupid?

      You asked for it, now answer those questions directly, no evasions, no changing the subject, no leaving out parts. I have yet to get honest answers from people like you who claim to want to answer questions about their faith.

      August 31, 2012 at 3:46 am |
  5. ScottCA


    August 31, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • truth be told

      Dead atheist used to be sometimes funny guy does all scottca thinking for him.

      August 31, 2012 at 4:26 am |
    • ScottCA

      They don't think for me, but they do communicate some valid points in a more visual way. Human brains are highly visual.
      Black and white type will only go so far in presenting a message.

      August 31, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  6. Reality

    Being fair about it:



    Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does Obam and his family) (And Biden) (And Ryan)

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

    August 30, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Whatever

      Hey Scott! Put your videos here! You and Reality are perfect for each other!

      August 30, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • ScottCA

      Since you clearly called for an encore
      The republican party is becomming anti-science due to religous delusions interfering with logical and rational thought.

      August 31, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • ScottCA

      More republican ignorance of science bred by religous delusions.

      August 31, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • Yessiree Bob

      Okay, you win on this one, Scott. Christine O'Donnell has to be one of the funniest unintentional comedians in history.

      "Scientific companies that have cross-bred humans and animals and getting mice with fully-functioning human brains."

      Actually, I think Christine is actually living proof that a conservative scientific company cross-bred humans with animals and got humans with the brains of mice . . . and they vote Republican.

      August 31, 2012 at 1:52 am |
  7. Kebos

    The fact that America could have as its leader a man who belongs to and influences a religion based on pure fiction on par with the imaginative tale of Harry Potter, well, America will have sunk to an all-time low continuing it's downward slide.

    August 30, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Hour of Power

      Kebos, each human person is deserving of the intillectual space to find their God. These are called bridges to the devine, and it necessary to respect each individual and show them understanding even if their views are alien to us. Once you stroke yourself in this way you will find a wonderful release is waiting for you.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      ALL religions are Harry Potter books. ALL.

      August 30, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • ScottCA


      It is truly frightening to think a bishop is running for president. With all the ignorance that includes.

      August 31, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • OTOH


      I'm not stumping for Mitt, but in all fairness, a Mormon "bishop" is not like a regular Christian bishop. I'm not sure of the exact term of office - it's temporary - I think they spend something like 4 years at it - being more like a volunteer "pastor" of their local temple.

      August 31, 2012 at 12:12 am |
  8. Cold Beer

    The Bible is Errant Internally;

    I believe that the Bible is errant in several ways. I consider many passages claimed to narrate historical events to contradict each other such as the resurrection narratives, the infancy narratives, when the fig tree was cursed, when Jesus was anointed by the woman, how the Field of Blood got its name, how exactly did Peter deny Jesus after his arrest, etc. These discrepancies, I believe are not limited to the New Testament. I believe that the creation accounts conflict in Genesis as well as the Flood accounts. I believe that the Hebrew Bible conflicts over when the name of Yahweh was known to the Hebrew patriarchs, whether or not God approved of sacrifices when he called the Hebrews out of Egypt, as well as others.

    I also believe that the Bible contains failed prophecies. I believe that the land promise failed in the books of Joshua and Judges. I believe that the prophecy of an eternal kingdom for David failed. I believe that the prophecy of Ezekiel against Tyre failed as well.

    I also believe that Jesus made several mistakes, assuming that the passages in question are authentically attributable to Jesus. I believe that Jesus erred in Mark chapter two, not only by saying that it was in the days of Abiathar that David went to the high priest but also in suggesting that David had men present with him. I believe that Jesus erred in suggesting that Jericho's daughter was asleep and not dead.

    August 30, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Cold Beer

      The Bible is Errant Externally

      I believe that the Bible teaches a flat-earth, geocentric cosmology and that this has been invalidated by modern cosmology. In fact, I believe that a chief reason that Christianity survives today is because of Galileo. It was Galileo, I believe, who suggested that the Bible be understood as having a "language of appearance". I believe that Martin Luther was justified in condemning heliocentricism on biblical grounds.

      I also believe that creationism and deluge theology have been refuted by modern science. I believe that the case for evolution and an old-earth are overwhelming. I believe that the case for evolution has been well-doc.u.mented by scientists. I believe that deluge theology has been refuted and that it was originally Christian geologists such as William Buckland and Adam Sedgewick who constructed the geological column and applied the principles of stratiography to geology, in effect refuting the contextually-demanding interpretation of the flood as a universal deluge. Like Galileo, it was their attempts at compromise that have helped Christianity to survive.

      Lastly, there is the starlight problem. How can light from stars travel in such a great distance if the cosmos is, indeed, young? I have seen almost every solution proposed to date from Barry Setterfield's hypothesis to D. Russel Humphrey's "relativistic cosmology". What is wrong with all of these hypotheses, is that they are all "after-the-fact". Who would conclude purely on secular grounds that the speed of light was decreasing all these years and therefore the earth is young and radioactive decay rates were much higher in the past or that billions of years of stellar evolution took place while the flow of time on earth was much slower, making the cosmos young? Who would ever propose such schemes unless they were looking for a way out of a tight-spot? The solutions are way too late! Why would God wait until almost a century after the problem arose, for the solution to be discovered? What that means is that no one was justified believing that the Bible and science were complementary and in harmony over the starlight problem until creationists like Setterfield and Humphreys were on the scene. If Humphrey's solution, involving relativistic time dilation is right, then what that means is that no one was justified in believing that the Bible and science were harmonizable on this point until after Einstein proposed his theories of relativity and the implications of it were worked out over the next few decades with Humphreys realizing the implications of it for the starlight problem!

      August 30, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Cold Beer

      The nonexistence of God

      Finally, a reason I believe that the Christian God does not exist is because I believe that such a Being cannot exist. I believe that some of the biblically-based and theologically-defined attributes of God contradict each other. I believe, for instance, that the attributes of volition and omniscience contradict each other. It's the same with the attributes of volition and moral perfection. I believe that other attributes contradict each other, showing that the Christian God cannot exist because of a contradiction of the attributes, making the Christian God logically incoherent. Now don't get me wrong here: I believe that some contrary-attribute arguments might indeed be flawed but there are some that I am quite convinced, do work.

      My Conclusion

      The errancy of the Bible, both internally and externally, as well as the theological incoherency of the Christian God, are the chief reasons I believe that the Christian faith is indeed flawed and are the reasons I disbelieve that the Christian God exists.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Saved by Grace

      How can the God of heaven that is perfect make an error or descrepency in the scripture . Did he not move on holy men to wright the scripture as they were moved on by the spirt of God.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Cold Beer

      No, he did he not move on holy men to write the scriptures. There is your answer.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • Saved by Grace

      Impresive but you can't sell that for the gospel

      August 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Cold Beer

      @Saved by Grace

      What does that even mean?

      August 30, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • Saved by Grace

      Does the bible not state that christ himself will return and that no man knows the hour. Did e not create man in his image and breath in his nostrils the breath of life. And man became a living soul. Is that a lie too.

      August 30, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • Cold Beer

      @Saved by Grace

      "Does the bible not state that christ himself will return and that no man knows the hour."

      Yes, but I am pretty sure they thought it would be in there lifetime. 2000 years and counting LOL.

      "Did he not create man in his image and breath in his nostrils the breath of life."

      No, that is silly. Are you five? or a Tea Partier?

      "And man became a living soul. Is that a lie too."

      There is no evidence to support the "soul" myth.

      August 30, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • mama kindless

      Saved by Grace wrote: "Did he not move on holy men to wright the scripture as they were moved on by the spirt of God."

      No. But there are many more plausible factors that could have played a role in explaining how and why things were written in the bible – things that we see repeated throughout history, such as: survival, coercion, intoxication, lobbying, all kinds of greed whether it be for money, power and/or political gain, just to name several. These things seem more clear when considering the many contradictions. CB touched on some contradictions, but there are also numerous contradictions between the various characters such as in the way Jesus would handle something verses say the "apostle" Paul, who is credited with being one of the chief authors of the NT. So when a Christian asks you to adopt two or their different agendas, they may say follow only Jesus' words for one agenda, but then will ask you to follow the words from a lesser character and actually contradict the exact same words and core idea from Jesus to achieve the second agenda. We see use of this tactic when they are afraid of something – usually a social issue. They are good as using that tactic because the contradictions are built into Christianity. And to be fair, it has just, over the centuries become a knee-jerk reaction as they say for Christians to think this way. It is a vicious cycle of: wrestle with the contradictions, define the current stance, defend it (and wage war if necessary), then start over again.

      August 30, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Cold Beer


      Since the prophecies in their original context, did not refer to Jesus, why did Matthew include them in his gospel? There are two possibilities:

      1. The church says that the words had a hidden future context as well as the original context, ie, God was keeping very important secrets from His chosen people.

      2. Matthew, in his zeal to prove that Jesus was the Messiah, searched the Old Testament for pa.s.sages (sometimes just phrases) that could be construed as messianic prophecies and then created or modified events in Jesus' life to fulfill those "prophecies."

      Fortunately for those who really want to know the truth, Matthew made a colossal blunder later in his gospel which leaves no doubt at all as to which of the above possibilities is true. His blunder involves what is known as Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem riding on a donkey (if you believe Mark, Luke or John) or riding on two donkeys (if you believe Matthew). In Matthew 21:1-7, two animals are mentioned in three of the verses, so this cannot be explained away as a copying error. And Matthew has Jesus riding on both animals at the same time, for verse 7 literally says, "on them he sat."
      Why does Matthew have Jesus riding on two donkeys at the same time? Because he misread Zechariah 9:9 which reads in part, "mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a donkey."

      Anyone familiar with Old Testament Hebrew would know that the word translated "and" in this pa.s.sage does not indicate another animal but is used in the sense of "even" (which is used in many translations) for emphasis. The Old Testament often uses parallel phrases which refer to the same thing for emphasis, but Matthew was evidently not familiar with this usage. Although the result is rather humorous, it is also very revealing. It demonstrates conclusively that Matthew created events in Jesus' life to fulfill Old Testament prophecies, even if it meant creating an absurd event. Matthew's gospel is full of fulfilled prophecies. Working the way Matthew did, and believing as the church does in "future contexts," any phrase in the Bible could be turned into a fulfilled prophecy!

      August 30, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • Saved by Grace

      Your way off base there cold beer,need to lay off the suds. Your blunder idea is a blunder. Matthew mark luke john show christ in four different likenesses.read revalations you can find your answers. That's right you already no it it all...my bad.

      August 30, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • Cold Beer

      @Saved by Grace

      Please be specific. I cannot argue your ambiguous statement. I am right unless you can imperically prove otherwise.

      August 30, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
  9. Saved by Grace

    How can a country founded on the word Of God and the principles outlined therin.Support a candidate that denies the Deity an also the trinity of the almight God of heaven.

    August 30, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      Christianity is old and on the way out.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Cold Beer


      Ok, God is Jesus, Jesus is God. God wanted to have a physical manifestation of himself on Earth and though he created the heavens and the Earth, Adam and Eve, he couldn't manage a “Jesus” so he knocked up a virgin by proxy who then gave birth to Himself and then he waited for himself to grow up so that he could preach the "truth" to those who would listen.

      Then he set up his own death so that he could suffer on a pole to "die" (even thought he can't die) for the sins of all the many billions of people who would be born who had not yet committed any sins but for whom he has a plan and that plan includes sinning for some unknown reason so he needed to die for them. Then he becomes a ghost, takes a little trip to Hades to hang with the red guy and then he "rises" and walks about frightening people and then disappears after telling everyone he would return (an apparent lie) and never shows his face again.


      I would offer this counter possibility. Mary got knocked up by the blacksmith. Jesus was a cult leader. Jesus broke the law and was punished and died.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      Saved by Grace wrote "How can a country founded on the word Of God . . ."

      I think everyone can all stop here and realize the kind of person Saved by Grace is. Someone who needs to go back and take high-school government as many times as necessary to get past this falsehood.

      August 31, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • Dwight Rogers

      It seems that, from about the third century on, Christian theologians felt it necessary to define God above and beyond the teaching and terminology found in the Bible. In scripture it is often stated that there is only one God. (See Deut. 6:4; John 17:3; 2 Ne. 31:21.) Yet many other passages discuss three distinct persons as God. (John 17:3; 1:1; 5:18; 8:58; Rev. 22:7-16; Acts 5:1-4; Acts 13:2.) Each Christian, or each group of Christians, explains this in different ways. This is true today and it has been true throughout Christian history. There have been a variety of interpretations that, at one time or another, were put forth as the "orthodox" doctrine. It is claimed that mainstream Christian doctrine has never changed but one look at Christian history tells even the casual student otherwise. The doctrine of the nature of God, and the interpretation of Bible passages regarding God, have changed over time. Therefore, if one groups' viewpoint should become prevalent, we would want to know the process by which this occurred. We would want to know on what basis one interpretation is chose over another? Is an interpretation correct just because it is popular today?

      September 4, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • Dwight Rogers

      Since the Trinity doctrine of a "one substance" God was not taught by Jesus or Paul or John, or the early Christians, indeed, how could they since the doctrine was not developed until the fourth century A.D, then were Paul, John and Jesus, and pre-creedal Christians not really Christian?

      Mormons believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Our first Article of Faith states: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. However “Trinity’ is a word that is not found in the Bible. Nor are the definitions and wording formulations in the extra-Biblical creeds found in the Bible. In 325 AD a council of about 300 (out of 1800 serving) bishops gathered in Nicea at the request of the pagan Emperor Constantine and formulated a creed that tried to reconcile the Biblical statements that there three persons called “God” and yet there was “one” God. They then forced all Christians to accept their solution as “gospel”, with varying results. Theological debates and other councils continued to tweak the concept for centuries which produced additional creeds.

      September 4, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
  10. Mr Chihuahua

    I will vote for this man because he has really great hair lol!

    August 30, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
  11. "Mormon" sounds like "Mordor"

    This man comes from one of Kolob's moons, the one known as Smarmy.

    August 30, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
  12. ScottCA

    Why America cannot afford to have a religious leader blinded by faith.
    When will CNN cease spreading ignorance through this faith blog and be courageous enough to speak out against the ignorance spread by religion like MSNBC has?

    August 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • PoodlePup

      When will you quit posting these videos and start speaking like a normal human being?
      I don't care what they say, stop fucking posting this shit!!!

      August 30, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • ScottCA

      As long as it is pertinent to the topic at hand I will post these very intelligent talks in regards to them.
      Whether or not you approve. The content of these videos contain information that is important. If you have seen them before then you need not view them.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Cold Beer

      Great videos ScottCA. Freakin' hot is SoCal today!

      August 30, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Dogcatcher

      I hate dealing with poodles.

      I'm Dogcatcher and I approve this message and the referenced video from ScottCA.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
  13. ScottCA

    Morailty is based in logic and reason. Faith has nothing at all to do with it.

    August 30, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • C'mon

      Don't become like Reality and Prayer troll and keep banging out the same boring post.

      August 30, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • ScottCA

      I approach each article on the merit of itself. I do not consider posting intelligent commentary on the topic at hand as banging out the same stuff. As long as these talks speak intelligently about the topic at hand, I will be posting them, whether or not you approve.

      August 30, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Whatever

      Well, if you want to be considered an annoyance and a bore by the people who agree with you, then hey, go for it!

      August 30, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • ScottCA

      If you are more interested in what I have to say then what Professor Pinker has to say, I am afraid you might be placing your attention on the wrong person. Although I am flattered.

      August 30, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
  14. Fingers Malone

    Romney is nothing but cheap suit, empty and soulless. He lies so much I wonder if he's trying for some sort of record.

    August 30, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Yerty Kevin

      That is a very unkind thing to say . . . about cheap suits.

      August 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • krhodes

      yeah...no where near as honest as Obama?

      August 30, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
  15. Hour of Power

    I find it refreshing that this lovely man is completely honest about his faith and convictions. It may seem alien to some of us, but he is touching himself in ways many of us could never imagine.

    August 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
  16. Luke

    Is it at all strange that President Obama's religion was questioned from day one even though he is a Christian, but Romney is ad admitted member of a cult that until recently openly practiced polygamy and no one bats an eye? Mormon factions still to this day practice polygamy today, but the religious right doesn't seem to care. Weird weird weird.

    August 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • visitor

      White with a European name.

      August 30, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
  17. Alien Orifice

    Romney, running in the proud tradition of Ronny, George and Jr.

    August 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
  18. 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

    I encourage all to vote for the least delusional candidate. For president, that would be Obama.

    August 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  19. Edna Pimples

    Notice how he avoids saying he is Mormon, and instead talks about faith in vague terms? That's a pretty good display of his moral courage.

    Admittedly, Romney is a lot better that all the freaks and crackpots who ran against him in the primaries, but that's like saying that Curly is the best of the Stooges, and therefore Curly should be president.

    August 30, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      yes: Romney/Ryan 2012 – We could have done a lot worse!

      August 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Edna Pimples

      True, TV dude! Totally insane is a lot worse than just lousy.

      August 30, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • PoodlePup

      Huntsman was the only one with a real chance of winning against Obama, but the GOP will settle for nothing less than the biggest whore in the lineup, so that's why Romney won the candidacy.

      August 30, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
  20. .o.

    Do you think Faith will reciprocate?

    August 30, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      It should come as no surprise that Frankenstein picked Eddie Munster to be his running-mate.

      August 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Edna Pimples

      The Romeny campaign sure is like Ed D. Wood jr. is directing it. Plan 9 From Outer Utah.

      August 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      Only if he reaches out to the Flying Spaghetti Monster to be touched by his noodly appendage.

      August 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
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